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smile4me
post Nov 22 2004, 07:24 PM
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are we, as Americans, entitled to mutilate flags? (ie. burning, putting extraneous signs next to/by flags...etc)....if nobody is hurt in the process?
Does it violate the First Amendment when people express their opinions (such as antiwar, disagreeance with a law...etc) by burning the flag?
...And when it is said "Freedom of speech", does that stop at the literal sense of speech?


Several cases have already been recorded for people that have been arrested and tried for things such as "mutilation" of the flag. One case involves a person who simply placed a peace sign on a flag with removable tape.
This flag was his property. He was arrested for placing this peace sign (the circle thingy with the three lines inside) on his flag.
Another case (Texas vs. Johnson) involved the man actually burning the flag as a form of protest...


Anyway, I think that flag mutilation does not harm anybody or infringe on anybody's right for safety, and therefore, nothing is wrong with it.

Your thoughts?
 
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post Nov 22 2004, 07:37 PM
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its not legal, but ill do what i want with it. personally, while i dont see the point in going out and mutilating a flag, im not going to like yell at someone for putting a flag on the ground, or hesitate to do so myself. that may have mattered back in the wars of old, but its not relevant to our society now. were not so desperate to provoke patriotism. or perhaps we are, but people are far more cynical now, and wont buy spoon fed tales of being a good american. of course some people will, but thats why most of the military is lower class...
 
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post Nov 22 2004, 07:39 PM
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Flag mutilation as you put it is legal. The Supreme Court said so a few years back.

If it's your property, you should be allowed to mutilate it hoewver you wish.
 
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post Nov 22 2004, 09:10 PM
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QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Nov 22 2004, 7:39 PM)
Flag mutilation as you put it is legal. The Supreme Court said so a few years back.

If it's your property, you should be allowed to mutilate it hoewver you wish.

did they really? thats good
 
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post Nov 22 2004, 09:43 PM
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Yes... the case was Virginia vs. Black if you're interested.
 
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post Nov 22 2004, 10:59 PM
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how is that good?

heil americae, my friend. that is what we will become.
 
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post Nov 23 2004, 08:14 PM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Nov 22 2004, 9:59 PM)
how is that good?

heil americae, my friend. that is what we will become.

heil americae?
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are you referring to hitler?..or..what?
 
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post Nov 23 2004, 08:36 PM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Nov 22 2004, 10:59 PM)
how is that good?

heil americae, my friend. that is what we will become.

how does having the right to mutilate the flag lead to hitleresque worship?
 
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post Nov 23 2004, 11:49 PM
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sorry i wasn't clear...

i was responding to the fact that the supreme court banned it.

the heil americae was to imply something of a hitleresque dictatorship, but it won't actually be that.

it will become like the alien and sedition acts.

the banning of the right ot burn a flag leads to the banning of other rights, like that to criticize the government (which is what flag burning is)
and of course, that's what the alien and sedition acts did.

speak now, or forever hold your peace, for at this rate, you will loose your rights by the time you retire.
 
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post Nov 24 2004, 03:54 PM
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but its the other way around. they graneted the right to burn the flag, but they as well thought it was taking away rights to not allow them to
 
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post Dec 10 2004, 12:48 PM
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ive heard from my gov teacher ( a lawyer) that its legal to burn a flag but its illegal to burn a cross in protest even tho im a christian it still does not make sense why u can burn an american 'icon' i guess u could call it but u cant burn a cross in protest i dont no it doesnt make a whole lot of sense 2 me but o well
 
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post Dec 10 2004, 04:25 PM
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QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Nov 22 2004, 9:43 PM)
Yes... the case was Virginia vs. Black if you're interested.

i thought it was texas vs. black. i'm discussing this in my Law class right now.

i'm all for burning the flag. it's alot less dangerous than, say, blowing up buildings in oklahoma city.
 
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post Dec 10 2004, 04:56 PM
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  ive heard from my gov teacher ( a lawyer) that its legal to burn a flag but its illegal to burn a cross in protest even tho im a christian it still does not make sense why u can burn an american 'icon' i guess u could call it but u cant burn a cross in protest i dont no it doesnt make a whole lot of sense 2 me but o well


if that's true i think i'd have to organize a cross burning...
 
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post Dec 10 2004, 06:23 PM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Dec 10 2004, 4:56 PM)
if that's true i think i'd have to organize a cross burning...

be sure to invite me.
 
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post Dec 10 2004, 07:06 PM
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Mmm...sorry...there's already a topic on this. wink.gif
 
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