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sikdragon
post Nov 9 2004, 06:52 AM
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The reason Christianity is real to me is because it is so different from other religions. It has been tested and questioned by the harshest critics. It has undergone the test of time and the story has still been remembered.

The most important diffence is, it's founder lives. Buddha, mohammed, and all the various cult leaders are all dead. Burried in the ground. Christians search for their founder and find an empty tomb of a living king.
 
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post Nov 9 2004, 09:05 AM
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what are we supossed to debate about?
 
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post Nov 9 2004, 09:15 AM
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It's mostly highly controversial, but i was hinting at a question. Is there any other religion like it? the answer is no and this is bound to turn into something else so it's better to put in this forum and have it moved than another and have it moved here.
 
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post Nov 9 2004, 10:45 AM
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Uh huh.

Buddha's dead rolleyes.gif . Have you any idea how undeducated you are about other religions? Don't bother to compare Christianity with other religions when you don't even understand them. Just keep praying to your God and leave other people to worship as they like.

And you thought I was off, you're WAYYYYY off.

By the way, how come you can assume that your "living king" is around when you don't see him, but then you assume that Buddha's dead because you don't see Buddha? That's twisting your thoughts for "self-indulgence". Tsk, tsk.
 
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post Nov 9 2004, 10:49 AM
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There are more senses than sight.

Buddha died of an illness brought on by some error in diet.
 
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Hmm, do you know what Buddhism is? Do you know what Death is to Buddhists? No, you obviously do not.

And also, why is it that you sense the "living king" when you think other people can't sense Buddha(s)?

You're twisting logics again. Or should I say, you are assuming superiority over other religions.
 
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post Nov 9 2004, 11:05 AM
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buddhism is the escape from life. instead of an eternal soul, life is as a bundle of thoughts memories and so forth. Death and rebirth is a never ending cycle. To reach nirvana, or liberate yourself from this cycle is the ultimate goal. once liberated you become nothingness and escape that which is pain.

Who knows i could be wrong.
 
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post Nov 9 2004, 11:07 AM
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to be a buddha is to have a different sense of reality and a different set of thought processes. It's like seeing a crazy person. Not to say buddhas are crazy. They however do not have power over death and still die just as humans.


Doesn't change the fact that lord buddha died.
 
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post Nov 9 2004, 11:39 AM
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QUOTE(sikdragon @ Nov 9 2004, 11:07 AM)
to be a buddha is to have a different sense of reality and a different set of thought processes. It's like seeing a crazy person. Not to say buddhas are crazy. They however do not have power over death and still die just as humans.


Doesn't change the fact that lord buddha died.

rolleyes.gif Lord Buddha?

You have to stop spouting crap you don't know about. Buddha is not a name, Buddha is a title. Buddha means "one who is awake", not physically awake, but awake to reality. Anyone can be a Buddha. The first 'Buddha' was a man from Nepal, Siddhartha Gautama. He did not claim to be a god, Buddhists don't think he is a god. Enlightenment was his goal, and he achieved it.
 
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To follow Buddhism, one must fundamentally try to get rid of desire. However, like in all religions, there are many Buddhists who do not practice what they preach.


Anyway, in his last moments, Buddha has this to say about death and the road to enlightenment:

“Make yourself a light. Rely upon yourself: do not depend on anyone else. Make my teachings your light… My disciples, my last moment has come, but do not forget that death is only the end of the physical body. The body was born from parents and was nourished by food; just as inevitable are sickness and death. But the true Buddha is not a human body: -it is Enlightenment. A human body must die, but the Wisdom of Enlightenment will exist forever in truth and in practice….”

If you mean that the Buddha simply doesn't exist, then the same is said about your "living king" simply because they are not physically seen.

So death is explained.

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They however do not have power over death and still die just as humans.


They die because it is REQUIRED in the CYCLE. Duh. If you want to compare, Jesus died just as mortals can die.
 
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post Nov 9 2004, 05:38 PM
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QUOTE(sikdragon @ Nov 9 2004, 6:52 AM)
The most important diffence is, it's founder lives. Buddha, mohammed, and all the various cult leaders are all dead. Burried in the ground. Christians search for their founder and find an empty tomb of a living king.

You are definately believing that christianity is the great religion. You cant say that because you believe in christianity and no other religions.. why should you be able to say what other religions are good or bad if you are only dedicated to one religion.

In the bible it even says you shouldnt be the one judging the only person who can judge is God. So if you wanna judge other religions, try to be perfect, then you can judge anything..

I myself am a catholic but everyone who believes in God/Jesus is a christian so that makes me a christian. But I dont go around preaching that this is the only religion to believe in and all the rest are crap.

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Just keep praying to your God and leave other people to worship as they like.


You have to have respect for those other religions like you dont care about the other religions like Buddhism, and i dont think they care about our religion, its because they believe in what they believe .. we believe in God and they believe in being a Buddha.

We still believe in God even though he died.. its called faith. And mohammed died, but they still believe cause they have faith.. so why should it be so different for us even though they both died??
 
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post Nov 9 2004, 06:37 PM
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this is why i dispise christians. because there are those out there who think you're the enemy if you don't belive if jesus and they think thier religion is all that.

there is no other religion like christianity because christianity is the only religion with the audacity to declare all other religions inferior.
 
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post Nov 9 2004, 06:47 PM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Nov 9 2004, 6:37 PM)
this is why i dispise christians. because there are those out there who think you're the enemy if you don't belive if jesus and they think thier religion is all that.

Perfectly understandable. I would feel the same way, *however*, you can't judge everyone by the actions of those annoying few. Not every christian out there will go out preaching that because one does not believe in Jesus then automatically he/she will be the enemy. Not all christians do that. Yes, there are those that taint the religion by being self-righteous and arrogant ( whistling.gif ), but one cannot judge the group for the actions of a few.
 
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post Nov 9 2004, 06:54 PM
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yes, i know i can't judge the whole group on just some.

i just do because it's easier. sorry all christians out there who don't try to convert people and stuff.

i'd actually be christian if certain parts of it were not in it, like it respected other religions and such. and if it made a bit more sense.
 
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post Nov 9 2004, 07:21 PM
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post Nov 9 2004, 08:21 PM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Nov 9 2004, 6:37 PM)
this is why i dispise christians.  because there are those out there who think you're the enemy if you don't belive if jesus and they think thier religion is all that. 

there is no other religion like christianity because christianity is the only religion with the audacity to declare all other religions inferior.

i feel the same way. it's the evangelicals like sikdragon that make christians look bad.


Sikdragon, if i remember correctly, it was you who said ignorance was dangerous. perhaps you should reevaluate your own incompetence before posting such rubbish. it's no wonder why people fight your self righteous ass.

"You can disagree but don't be disagreeable." -George Washington
 
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post Nov 9 2004, 08:26 PM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Nov 9 2004, 5:37 PM)
this is why i dispise christians.  because there are those out there who think you're the enemy if you don't belive if jesus and they think thier religion is all that. 

there is no other religion like christianity because christianity is the only religion with the audacity to declare all other religions inferior.

thanks for just generalizing all christians into people who think their religion is superior.

first off... all religions should think that their religion is the right thing b/c its what they BELIEVE in.

i'm a christian too and i personally think that silkdragon needs to think about what he says before he says it..

in other words. wtf is this? are you trying to evangalize? are you trying to spread the word? or are you debating christianity?

1) if you're spreading the word or evangalizing, this is the worst approach i have hever seen
2) if you're debating christianity as a religion. don't do it.

you've totally lost connection with the sense of love that we're supposed to have.

have a heart. please.
 
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QUOTE(kryogenix @ Nov 9 2004, 7:21 PM)
fae, I believe when sikdragon refers to lord buddha, he means siddharta gautama.

Babe, that was Waccoon.

But Waccoon was just as "rolly-eyed" as I was since there isn't a "Lord Buddha". He's just Buddha. If one wants to make him distinct from other Buddhas, then one would refer that Buddha by name as you have.
 
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post Nov 9 2004, 11:55 PM
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Did i claim other religions were inferior? no i said christianity is different. When this topic was started I wasn't even sure where to put it. The first poster said what are we supposed to debate about.

Christ died and rose again leaving an empty tomb being God incarnate.

Saying that the founder of our religion lives makes us different.
 
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QUOTE(sikdragon @ Nov 9 2004, 6:52 AM)
The most important diffence is, it's founder lives. Buddha, mohammed, and all the various cult leaders are all dead. Burried in the ground. Christians search for their founder and find an empty tomb of a living king.

And Buddha die in this mortal realm yet exists in another don't make Buddhism different? huh.gif

The tone of how this topic started out suggested great offense to anyone who is Buddhist, Muslim, cult leaders... etc.

There is no outward claim of superiority, but the tone certainly suggested it. That is why I asked you earlier in another post to make yourself clear. If you did not insinuate that Buddhism and Islam are inferior, then why did you say what I quoted above? As in, from what I understand, you think God must be more special than than Buddha and Mohammed because He is alive.

Yes, you will think I'm twisting your words, but I'm not the only one. The fact that I feel that way is because YOU WORDED it that way.
 
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post Nov 10 2004, 12:15 AM
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i'm sorry... i thought christ died for our sins?

just a thought?

how is he still alive?
 
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he ressurected(sp)...
 
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and after 3 days accended to heaven. which could be interperated as dying, no?
 
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no, it wasn't technically "dying"

his ressurrection was when he came back, and when he ascended back into heaven, he wasn't "dying". people refer to him as the Living Christ b/c he's in heaven watching down on us.

the difference between buddha, muhammed, etc. and Jesus, is that we Christians believe that Jesus is God and all around. Unlike buddha and muhammed, who are dead; their followers don't believe their gods, but rather... prophets and holy people. Christians believe Jesus is God...

that's my half-assed explanation, but i liked mine better than silkdragon's. no offense or anything...
 
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Did you read my previous post about the last teachings of Buddha?

Buddha isn't dead. He died (like Jesus) and was reborn elsewhere, or now exist in Nirvana.
 
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oh, ok fine.

but you guys don't think of him as God... right?
 
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No, because he/they do not claim to be God nor do they claim to be all powerful.
 
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there are a lot of gods. they're all in heaven, all watching and stuff.

the first buddha did not claim to be one of them.
 
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okay.... well that's your religion.

and that's what you believe...

but thats not what others think.
 
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but it's what we're arguing.

you're saying christianity is different because your god is watching over you...


ours are too.
 
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well you're not arguing anything when you say "there are a lot of gods in heaven". that's a statement. you gave no evidence or reason for you thinking that.
 
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QUOTE([X)
poised,Nov 10 2004, 12:49 AM] well you're not arguing anything when you say "there are a lot of gods in heaven". that's a statement. you gave no evidence or reason for you thinking that.

It's a concept. Truth is irrelevant.

To each his/her own.

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well, i guess i forgot to put:

buddhists belive
 
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Nov 10 2004, 12:54 AM)
well, i guess i forgot to put:

buddhists belive

Yea, I was about to ask you that, too. Hahaha, I didn't think you were Buddhist.
 
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Yea, I was about to ask you that, too. Hahaha, I didn't think you were Buddhist.


well, my parents are buddhist, and my family is buddhist, and all the funerals i've been to are buddhist.

so i guess i'm buddhist... because when i get angry my dad reads to me about the 6th buddha.

but i don't know that much about buddhism, becuase my parents want me to find my own religon.




the point is... having a god isn't what makes christianity different.

in fact, i think what makes christianity different is the group thing...

the whole going to church and being with people who belive the same thing, who are there for you.

the fact that the religion makes it easy for you to be saved: you don't have to go to mecca or do good deeds, all you have to do is belive.

that's what really makes christianity different.
 
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^ Is that a good thing or a bad thing? You didn't seem to argue either way... huh.gif

And one more thing. JEsus did not ascend to heaven immediately three days after he died. He ressurected three days after his death, then walked the earth for some time ( a short period... not sure how long though... _unsure.gif ) then he ascended to heaven. He was already alive when he went back to heaven.

I have refused to quote the Bible unless asked, only because I believe that it is taking it too far with those that don't quite believe the same I do... so if you want me to quote, I'll do it. If not, then I won't.
 
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nirvana is a state of non-existence.

The difference is not that God is watching over us. The difference is that our human founder died and rose again. The man who started it all is still alive.
 
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QUOTE(sikdragon @ Nov 10 2004, 7:48 AM)
nirvana is a state of non-existence.

Who made you the Nirvana expert? I thought we've long established the fact that you do not have a firm grasp of Buddhism (or much of any Eastern religion for that matter).

Nirvana is beyond human comprehension (just like some of the things God does is beyond Christian's understanding) simply because we cannot know of it until we escape the cycle of reincarnation. Nirvana, in Sanskrit, means to extinguish. In context to Buddhism and Hinduism, it means to extinguish ignorance, desire, hatred... earthly sufferings. It is when one gains omniscent knowledge of this world and beyond.

One who reaches Nirvana on their own is known as Buddha. One who reaches Nirvana with the help of a Buddha teachings is known as arhats. A Buddha would then exist in a world unlike this mortal realm. I usually think of it as a place similar to the Christian's Heaven, but I'm not quite sure if this is really the case.

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The difference is not that God is watching over us. The difference is that our human founder died and rose again. The man who started it all is still alive.


Alive in SPIRIT. Just Buddhas are alive in a different place and in different form.


Hey Angel:

It's not a bad thing if one believes what he will without shoving it down other people's throats. If they just keep to their faith and leave other people to theirs, there is absolutely no problem with that.
 
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And I very much agree. happy.gif
...BUt I'm not quite sure to what of what I said was your post directed... _unsure.gif Sorry, its been a *LONG* day.... to put it shortly, people disappoint me in their ignorance and naivete... mellow.gif
 
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silkdragon:

you're saying that what makes more people choose christianity is because your god is 'alive'?

personally, i know this isn't true.

no one chooses to be christian simply because the god is 'alive'. at least, none of the christians i know.
 
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QUOTE(sikdragon @ Nov 9 2004, 3:52 AM)
The reason Christianity is real to me is because it is so different from other religions. It has been tested and questioned by the harshest critics. It has undergone the test of time and the story has still been remembered.

The most important diffence is, it's founder lives. Buddha, mohammed, and all the various cult leaders are all dead. Burried in the ground. Christians search for their founder and find an empty tomb of a living king.

i agree with what u said. "harshest"? lolz, u put it in a weird way. to b honest, the faith of christianity (im christian) would b in VAIN if Christ didn't resurrected. Buddha and mohammed died in their tombs, but not christ. i agree wit sikdragon.
 
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QUOTE(azn_r4pf4n @ Nov 10 2004, 7:53 PM)
i agree with what u said. "harshest"? lolz, u put it in a weird way. to b honest, the faith of christianity (im christian) would b in VAIN if Christ didn't resurrected. Buddha and mohammed died in their tombs, but not christ. i agree wit sikdragon.


You people annoy me so much. (Which is a great feat since I am not that easily provoked rolleyes.gif )

Read the damn thread before posting, mkay? Don't just focus on what is said about YOUR religion.

Death is trivial in Buddhism. One reaches another level of life when one lives by the guidance of Buddha and the Buddha himself and other Buddhas reach Nirvana.

While being found alive is obviously a revered thing in Christianity, being able to get rid of worldly desire is revered in Buddhism. Stop looking at this whole thing from just one point of view and making WRONG assumptions and outbursts that are meaningless.

This is what I mean when I said in the previous post that minorities, religion wise, are NOT listened to, and obviously you proved that we are not heard inside AND outside of these forums.

"Inside this forum, though we are minorities, we have the chance to have our say but outside this forum, we are voiceless minorities. It's not because we are afraid to speak against the mass, far from it, it is because we will not be listened to.

You heard me. We are not listened to. Surprised now, are we? Don't be. The most intelligent of men were persecuted by the "good" faith of others simply because they were not listened to no matter how strong their voice rang out. In fact, the louder they were, the more they were punished for it. That is what history has taught us about religion: "might is right". "
 
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Nov 10 2004, 5:01 PM)
Read the damn thread before posting, mkay? Don't just focus on what is said about YOUR religion.

yes i did read it b4 posting =D
 
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QUOTE(azn_r4pf4n @ Nov 10 2004, 9:36 PM)
yes i did read it b4 posting =D

Then obviously, one can deduct the following with your response:

1) You're too self-absorbed with your own religion and consider it to be superior so you do not care to learn about others.

2) You did not understand a word I said because your reading skills... suck.

3) You purposely ignore what I said because you're close-minded.

4) You don't care that you're stupid and refuse to even acknowledge the fact that people who know their own faith knows that the Buddha's passing can be a good thing instead of bad.

All in all, you people should just stick to what you know and stop making up stupid stuff you assume you know about other religions. Why? Because when you venture out to learn something, you should open your mind to possibilities instead of steadfastly grasping on to what you already know for dear life. It's a cowardly act and not to mention it wastes your time and mine having to read what you have to say.
 
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All in all, you people should just stick to what you know and stop making up stupid stuff you assume you know about other religions.


what do you mean... "You People"..uninspiredfae ? christians.. or sikdragon and azn_r4pf4n ???
 
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QUOTE(pandamonium @ Nov 10 2004, 11:20 PM)
what do you mean... "You People"..uninspiredfae ? christians.. or sikdragon and azn_r4pf4n ???

"You people" are those who fit the description following it. wink.gif
 
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Nov 10 2004, 11:28 PM)
"You people" are those who fit the description following it. wink.gif

wait i didnt really get that .. do you mean christians ?
 
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QUOTE(pandamonium @ Nov 10 2004, 11:35 PM)
wait i didnt really get that .. do you mean christians ?

Damn it, go learn puns, sarcasm, satire... all together... get some WIT.

I mean, whoever fits the description of "making up stupid stuff" about other religions without understanding it, and people who " steadfastly grasp on to what [they] already know for dear life".

No I did not say ALL Christians. There are Christians who do know only one truth but they do not shove their faith down other people's throats. Those that do force their religion are the "you people" I'm talking about.

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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Nov 10 2004, 11:44 PM)
Damn it, go learn puns, sarcasm, satire... all together... get some WIT.

I mean, whoever fits the description of "making up stupid stuff" about other religions without understanding it, and people who " steadfastly grasp on to what [they] already know for dear life".

No I did not say ALL Christians. There are Christians who do know only one truth but they do not shove their faith down other people's throats. Those that do force their religion are the "you people" I'm talking about.

Come on, get with it.  stubborn.gif

jeze ! calm down ... daym... anyways i thought you said we had "matching wits" sad.gif ???

yea i kno i agree with you ... they shouldnt force anybody to believe in this or that ...
 
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QUOTE(sikdragon @ Nov 10 2004, 6:48 AM)
nirvana is a state of non-existence.

The difference is not that God is watching over us. The difference is that our human founder died and rose again. The man who started it all is still alive.

dont be so f**king close-minded. if you want to win a debate, you actually have to listen to all sides of the arguement, not just repeat what you've been saying over and over again. dammit, you make me hate certain christians and i AM christian.

we've already been informed that buddhists believe that buddha is still alive in a different place and different form. AS we believe Jesus is alive in spirit and is in heaven on the right seat of God.

you can't just keep claiming that the main difference is that our God is a living God. yes, its true, but that's not going to make anyone else change their mind, when they believe that their god is living.

TAKE AN EFFING DEBATE CLASS

sorry for the swearing. i normally don't. but you're pissing me off. you're giving Christians a bad name just by the way you act.
 
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lol. Also just to add this. We believe although controversial among the denominations that Christ arose in Body and spirit, leaving this world without shedding his body showing all perfection. So he is not dead bodily or spiritually in any sense. The founder of christianity is alive and will be until the ends of this earth. (The earth is the source of this time so the ending of it would end time until the new earth were created at which time could be recorded once again.)


I read that nirvana in proper context means to liberate. Liberating from the cycle of life death and reincarnation. A state of non-existence is beyond comprehension and explanation because there is no one all accepted recorded expierience of it. In a state of non-existence there is yet another form that doesnt exist, but yet has all power and knowledge?


Just like lucifer to convince the hearts of men their ability to become Gods lies within their grasp.

I have a question. How can you correct me on the state of nirvana when all you have is an argument of speculation against slightly founded specualtion?

and xpoised, im not going to dignify that with a response. You contradict yourself saying that you are christian that serves God, but yet you are controlled by my actions. you cant serve to masters.
 
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QUOTE(sikdragon @ Nov 11 2004, 3:23 PM)
I read that nirvana in proper context means to liberate. Liberating from the cycle of life death and reincarnation. A state of non-existence is beyond comprehension and explanation because there is no one all accepted recorded expierience of it. In a state of non-existence there is yet another form that doesnt exist, but yet has all power and knowledge?

So you read something and formulate your own interpretations to it without consulting those who know their religion? That's kind of funny that you assume that you know more about a person's religion than they do.

I'm not Buddhist, but I grew up in a Buddhist family. My relatives are devoted to the Catholic faith, but I chose to believe in what I want which is something in between. However, I live in a house with a small shrine to one of the Buddhas, I think I would know more than you about Buddhist beliefs.

You assume that Nirvana is a state of non-existent. Of course a case like this reminded me that you once said: "Changing my words to suit your own denial and self indulgence."

You're guilty of self-indulgence, denial and of having a serpant's tongue when you make up things about another faith.

Once again, you assume Nirvana to be a place of non-existence, thus it doesn't make sense to you that power and knowledge isn't possible there. But like I have said, Nirvana is a place that no mortal of this realm can understand because it is beyond our level of thinking. If that is the case, then you assuming Nirvana is non-existence would make you think of yourself as a superior human being by knowing what Nirvana is like.

Stop making up things you think you know about Buddhism, please, or else you'd be forcing me to make up things about Christianity. Then we'll both be offended.

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Just like lucifer to convince the hearts of men their ability to become Gods lies within their grasp.


And it's just like you to believe that yours is the only one that's right and others are wrong. Thus this is an indirect claim that your religion is superior.

When will you stop contradicting yourself? I do wonder.

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I have a question. How can you correct me on the state of nirvana when all you have is an argument of speculation against slightly founded specualtion?


Speculation? The only arguement I have with you is what you say about other religions when you barely know BASIC understanding of them. What I have to say about Buddhism is what I know of it from growing up in a family that follows it. I can hardly call it speculation. If you mean I speculate Buddhism, I can very well say you base YOUR faith on speculation as well.
 
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The first deduction was one of logic. If nothing exists then how can something exist. Your claims are unfounded. My contradictions are yet to be seen, atleast in this instance. Quick with the mouth and slow with the thought. Utter disregard for any feelings but your own. I would say i forgive you alloud, but you would see that as condescending so you can assume in your own mind that i said it and i'll think it as loud as i can. biggrin.gif

my speculation is with a foundation of documentation and expierience. Yours however is split asunder among the primal urges of whispers on an ear. my simple psychological deduction in a new found expression of reality.

what is with you and your high horse always claiming that i am always thinking behind the mask that my religion is superior.

Let me explain before you explode again with your self-justified unfounded incredulous "pwns"

My God, the only God has many names. Like there are many languages and cultures, so there are many similarities between morals among the cultures. Every culture views "My" God as their own in a different light. Native American tribes acknowledged the "Great Spirit". I've heard "Allah" is the Arabic word for God. Pagan Irish believed that all their God's were a part of the "great spirit of life" (life being more than just the essence of living). God has many identities and forms that have been discovered by every people because they are all individually different. "My" God's identity makes the most sense as written in the Torah and the King James version of the Bible, atleast to me. Superiority can easily be argued, because there is no right or wrong when it comes to how the understanding occurs. Just the fact that the understanding did happen without hinderance. Pride, labels, tradition, or hint's and whispers from lucifer urging us to what our potentially imperfect bodies want are all hindering us from hearing that which needs to be heard.
 
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wow. i'm converted. your wonderful tolerance of other religions had finally convinced me that i'm suppost to be christian. thank you for saving me. now i can help spread the faith. i will go door to door and tell everyone[/u] about christ, and about how great he is. because the [i]bible says everyone must hear what jesus has to offer befor jesus will come, and i'm not being selfish by forcing everyone to listen. i am god's slave, and he is my master, but so is the pope, and so is the priest at the church. i'm not smart enough to make my own interpretations about the bible so i donate money to other people to do it for me. the old testamant has it, so i think next time i'm low on cash i'll sell someone into slavery. whoa, look i have morals and i'm christian and better than you. you'll be sent to eternal damnation if you don't convert now. look at me, you effing idiot. see what chistianity has done for me? i'll go around and force people to pray towards a cross, and i'll say idol worship is wrong. i'm moralic, and that's why i bomb the places of worship of other religions. wow, look at my wonderful christian morals. i'm going to bomb a mousque in iraq. thank you silkdragon, for saving me from the unmoralic life i lead as an infidel.

excuse me, but i must go worship the devil now, because isn't that what ALL NONCHRISTIANS DO?!?!?!

` i apoligize to all the christians, besides silkdragon, that i may have offended with this post. unless you're like that to, and in that case feel free to be offended.
 
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QUOTE(sikdragon @ Nov 11 2004, 4:36 PM)
The first deduction was one of logic. If nothing exists then how can something exist. Your claims are unfounded.

Unfounded? So, by assuming that you know a religion then making stuff up doesn't make your deduction unfounded? Hmm, it looks like I should do the same with deducting stuff about Christianity.

How many times must I repeat myself in order for you to listen and understand what I'm saying. You were whining in another thread about how you aren't listened to, and yet here you are guilty of that which annoyed you.

You're off base even thinking to deduct anything about Nirvana because, once again for the umpteenth time, it is beyond normal human comprehension. If you didn't understand that then you're stupid. Period.

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My contradictions are yet to be seen, atleast in this instance. Quick with the mouth and slow with the thought. Utter disregard for any feelings but your own. I would say i forgive you alloud, but you would see that as condescending so you can assume in your own mind that i said it and i'll think it as loud as i can.


You forgive me? How about forgiving yourself for being a complete idiot who thinks he knows about other religions without opening his mind to them? The only thing I'm slow in is understanding the way your pitiful mind works. I have no regards for your feelings because you have no regards for the feelings of others who are unlike your. I treat people the way they deserved to be treated and obviously, if you feel that I'm not nice to you, then you just simply deserve it.

Why do you love putting me down? First I have a serpent's tongue, now I'm "slow with the thought". Haha. What a kind Christian you are. Hahaha. Love your neighbor, eh?

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what is with you and your high horse always claiming that i am always thinking behind the mask that my religion is superior.


What is it with you and your wrong choice of words? I've said many times what I only read what you write.

Okay how about we look at it this way:

Why do you say that it's more important that your God is "alive" and that Buddha and Mohammed are "dead"? What is your reasoning for saying that "Just like lucifer to convince the hearts of men their ability to become Gods lies within their grasp?"

Do you not mean to say that your god is superior because he is alive? Do you not mean to say that the Devil is the force behind Buddhism?

If you do not mean any of the above, then why write them? You're incredibly STUPID for writing that and not expecting a person to be nice to you after wards. Incredibily stupid.

Your god is great, but no other gods or idols can be great. That is what I am getting from your writings and OBVIOUSLY that is what you meant to convey.

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My God, the only God has many names. Like there are many languages and cultures, so there are many similarities between morals among the cultures. Every culture views "My" God as their own in a different light. Native American tribes acknowledged the "Great Spirit". I've heard "Allah" is the Arabic word for God. Pagan Irish believed that all their God's were a part of the "great spirit of life" (life being more than just the essence of living). God has many identities and forms that have been discovered by every people because they are all individually different. "My" God's identity makes the most sense as written in the Torah and the King James version of the Bible, atleast to me. Superiority can easily be argued, because there is no right or wrong when it comes to how the understanding occurs. Just the fact that the understanding did happen without hinderance. Pride, labels, tradition, or hint's and whispers from lucifer urging us to what our potentially imperfect bodies want are all hindering us from hearing that which needs to be heard.


If you were here a while back, you would realize that I hold a belief that God, Yaweh, Allah are all names for the same being. Sure there is a similarity in morality across cultures, you are stupid and self-centered to think that it's all the same because of you great Bible though.

Morality came before religion, and certainly before your Bible.

Notice that I didn't capitalized "God" many times when I have rarely forgoten to do so in the past. I'm doing it on purpose because I'm begining to dislike what your god stands for. (Your god, NOT the Christian's God).
 
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even though i said you were going to react the way you did, still it surprises me just a little. I get that you read it and comprehended what i wrote. So you're in denial and can't change your stance because you're in too deep and might fall. You can get back out and come back in if you want. ill wait.
 
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QUOTE(sikdragon @ Nov 11 2004, 5:13 PM)
even though i said you were going to react the way you did, still it surprises me just a little. I get that you read it and comprehended what i wrote. So you're in denial and can't change your stance because you're in too deep and might fall. You can get back out and come back in if you want. ill wait.

I'm in deep but I know where I am because I'm respectful of other religions. Too bad I can't say the same for you.

From now on, I will not see you as a Christian. You can preach what you want, but it's just going to be a pathetic act of comedy to me.
 
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See me as you will, that is your choice. We both know my "act of pathetic comedy" didn't affect you the way you're saying it did.
 
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Hahaha, so now you think to dictate how I feel?

AHAHAHA, Oh God Almighty, I bow down to your superior-ness!!!! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

It's also pathetic how you're a sore loser who can't seem to accept defeat the gracious way. You just deny it in the way of calling the other person names like "serpent's tongue". Haahahahahahahaha. Come on, if you want to curse me, just say f**k YOU.
 
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that would mean that i would like to fornicate with you, but you are way too bitter for my taste. No, you completely misunderstood the statement and you're taking it out of context. Can you dictate how you feel? Not without changing it to keep the integrity of your protective mask. Don't worry everybody has one.
 
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QUOTE(sikdragon @ Nov 11 2004, 5:26 PM)
that would mean that i would like to fornicate with you, but you are way too bitter for my taste. No, you completely misunderstood the statement and you're taking it out of context. Can you dictate how you feel? Not without changing it to keep the integrity of your protective mask. Don't worry everybody has one.

You're right, a whinny person like you would have more taste.

My integrety certainly is more honorable than yours though, your Almighty-ness.
 
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assume what you want.
 
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then you wear the mask of christianity. and you didn't put eyeholes.
 
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QUOTE(sikdragon @ Nov 11 2004, 5:36 PM)
assume what you want.

Damn right I am, with valid reasoning, too. laugh.gif



Oh, I forgot to add: your Holy-ness.
 
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valid? proclaim your own decrees, insult me as you wish. I don't need your approval. The superiority doesnt come from my religion, it comes from my blood. Im Irish.
 
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QUOTE(sikdragon @ Nov 11 2004, 6:08 PM)
valid? proclaim your own decrees, insult me as you wish. I don't need your approval. The superiority doesnt come from my religion, it comes from my blood. Im Irish.

My own and others who dislike your silly reasoning, your Irish Maleness. I thought your god said it was a sin to be prideful. You're sinning!!!!! Oh the HORROR>
 
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Yea, they do rock. In the case with his Sickly... erm... Sik-ness, he has a rock in his head.
 
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righteous pride isnt pride at all, but confidence.
 
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SINNER!!!

what's this double standard?
 
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So the sinner find new ways to lessen his sins. HAHAHAHHAHA. Good one, your Sickly-ness.
 
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all sins are the same. My sins are between me and God. Yet i have not sinned with these statements.
 
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QUOTE(sikdragon @ Nov 11 2004, 6:21 PM)
righteous pride isnt pride at all, but confidence.

Oooo clever! I didn't know that Deadly Sins could be righteous, but since you said so, then it must be God's will! OMG I worship you! How can I be just like you?
 
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if it isnt then is it?
 
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QUOTE(Soyuuz @ Nov 11 2004, 6:25 PM)
Oooo clever! I didn't know that Deadly Sins could be righteous, but since you said so, then it must be God's will! OMG I worship you! How can I be just like you?

All you need to do is pray to his cult-like god and that's it! Easy one step to become Sik-like.
 
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Am I the only one that thinks that perhaps this Soyuuz and his Sik-ness are one and the same...? huh.gif

If not, then this Soyuuz has some big identity problems and is the most naive person I've heard of....

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QUOTE(Sickdragon @ Nov 11 2004, 6:30 PM)
Yes, the cult of your greatness!

ROFLOL.

But dude, I thought I was crazy but you're a little out there.
 
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Hmmm.... I think I know what's going on... whistling.gif but I'll keep my mouth shut to prevent myself from looking like a fool.
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QUOTE(CrimsonArchangel @ Nov 11 2004, 6:36 PM)
Am I the only one that thinks that perhaps this Soyuuz and his Sik-ness are one and the same...? huh.gif

If not, then this Soyuuz has some big identity problems and is the most naive person I've heard of....

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err... now its Sickdragon??

But you gotta admit... it's kind of funny there...

By the way, HI ANGEL!!!!!
 
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Nov 11 2004, 6:43 PM)
But you gotta admit... it's kind of funny there...

By the way, HI ANGEL!!!!!

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QUOTE(sickdragon @ Nov 11 2004, 6:37 PM)
No, it is never crazy to side with the truth.

Maybe the truth is kinda crazy for you there, eh?

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Good, me too.
 
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well sorry to say those biggots are not me.
 
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post Nov 11 2004, 07:13 PM
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QUOTE(sikdragon @ Nov 11 2004, 7:10 PM)
well sorry to say those biggots are not me.

You're name calling! That's judging other people! You're sinning! AGAIN!!!!
 
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post Nov 11 2004, 07:13 PM
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haha.

this is entertaining.


SINNER!!!!
 
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post Nov 11 2004, 07:15 PM
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No sikdragon is incapable of sin. He is immaculate. YOU are the sinner.
 
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post Nov 11 2004, 07:15 PM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Nov 11 2004, 7:13 PM)
haha.

this is entertaining.


SINNER!!!!

Remember the popcorns we used to eat while being entertained with EmeraldKnight... Yea... those were the days.
 
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post Nov 11 2004, 07:16 PM
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hmmm... there was a shortage of blood tho.
 
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post Nov 11 2004, 07:16 PM
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Nov 11 2004, 7:13 PM)
You're name calling! That's judging other people! You're sinning! AGAIN!!!!

THE HORROR!!!!

Ugh... I can't take this anymore.... all the sinning in this forum is killing me... it really is... cry.gif
 
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post Nov 11 2004, 07:17 PM
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lol.... popcorn would be appropriate.
 

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