Why Canada?, why move there? Options

[*kryogenix*]

after this years election, many kids at my school (and many users of these forums) have said "THAT'S IT, I'M MOVING TO CANADA!" Why? Is your relocation going to some how affect the other 270 million people who live in the US? I'm going to quote the APB

 
A few thoughts on the election... An observation that I touched on breifly above but have never understood, why do Liberals always bluff like they are going to move to Canada when they don't get their way? What the fsck is that? I mean, first off, no, no you aren't going to move to Canada. You are going to stay here in the U.S., uncomfortably close to me and continue to whine indefinitely. Because that is what you would rather do. You would rather be miserable here than be happy in Canada (if such a thing is possible). And why Canada? If I decided that I were through with the U.S., I think I would be able to find a slightly more attractive new home than Canada. Bermuda, Cyprus, the Virgin Islands... It doesn't take a genius to look at a globe and come up with better options than Canada--a cold, empty place denizened by American impostors with bad hair, acid washed jeans and slightly strange accents.

Honestly, how many of the people who say they will move to Canada will actually move? Frankly, I could care less if they moved. America can do without them.

[*autumn.*]

it's just a little joke to show their displeasure. even the teachers at my school say it.

i bet like .000001% of the people will actually move.

[*tweeak*]

theyre not actually going to move to canada. but if you must move out of the country because bush is definitely that bad (yes, sarcasm) canada would be one of the better places to move, because theyre very colse with the us geographically and politically and they tend to be pretty peaceable and not start their own wars or anything, and pacifists like that

[ghjgfkgfk]

it's stupid. the elelection affected more than just america, other countries too. so you can't do anything about it now.

[xpLiCitsmuRfette]

well if somehow there is a draft inforced in these next few years i REALLY am moving to Canada

[*tweeak*]

theres not going to be a draft unless it is an absolute necessity

[*stephinika*]

hmm yeah i've heard of people saying that and some may move, some may not. whatever. but what's wrong with canada? its unnecessary to put down canada in the process of debating this...canada does have its problems but so does the states.

[*autumn.*]

oh yeah, canada has moose.

[*autumn.*]

sorry for the double post, but

http://www.xanga.com/groups/group.aspx?id=674910

heh. heh. yeah.

[tofumonzter]

sorry for the double post, but

http://www.xanga.com/groups/group.aspx?id=674910

heh. heh. yeah.

let's see how many people have join that blogring one month later

[iEnigma]

I'd move to a European country because they hate Bush.

[*kryogenix*]

well if somehow there is a draft inforced in these next few years i REALLY am moving to Canada

A Democrat proposed the draft, not George Bush. Hillary Clinton voted for it too. So don't support Hillary.

[sikdragon]

Canada is the blow hard sister nation of the US that serves as a home to those dissatisfied with or not good enough to live in the US and of all our borders canada has the better drinking water. Canada may be stable, but it has no back bone. It is as a serpent bending to the will of others. Right now they are bent to the crown which is good for the moment seeing as our differences with England have been resolved and we are now allies. Between canada and mexico, canada would be the better choice in the long term, eh?

[azn_r4pf4n]

you cant rlly LIVE to canada no more, or what i heard. my teacher talked about the drafts one time, he said that we would hav to be in the army, go in jail, or RUN AWAY . but sadly, we can't run away TO CANADA. Canada ain't acceptin n-e more pplz if there is a possible draft.

[gigiopolis]

hmm yeah i've heard of people saying that and some may move, some may not. whatever. but what's wrong with canada? its unnecessary to put down canada in the process of debating this...canada does have its problems but so does the states.

I agree. Even though people are saying they're going to move to Canada as a joke, it doesn't mean Canada shouldn't be taken seriously. What you all have in your minds is a poor stereotype of what Canada is, which is an absolute no when it comes to debating (after all, this IS the Debate section). Canada has many riches. If Canada was swiped off this very planet, nothing much would happen, I agree. But to a certain degree yes, things would change.

We needn't go to the extent of putting certain groups of people down without adequate reasons. All I've been hearing so far is "Canada has moose". "Canada is cold". "Canada is useless." Not that I don't agree with some of those statements, but for the first two, what does it have to do with this topic? And for the third statement, what kind of proof do you have? Because Canada, albeit quite small and inferior in your minds, does in fact have some rich resources in which the whole world can benefit from. If you want to make a stereotypical joke about Canadians, say it in the Humour section. This is the Debate section, where logic and reason prevail.

When Americans say they want to move to Canada, it could mean they just want to move in general. They may use Canada as a country that's described as quite small and inferior, to show their discontent. They hate America and Bush's tactics so much they would stoop to the level of Canada.

This is not a matter of what people want to do to change America and its 270 million people, this is an attempt for those people to live a more peaceful life. And believe me, Canada will give you that peace America will never have.

[Spirited Away]

Hey there peeps,

I don't think anyone really mean to demean others by asking "why Cananda?" If you really look at it, those people who prefers Canada are demeaning their own country, which is just dandy since there's freedom of speech here after all.

But asking "why Canada?" is basically trying digest how saying that makes them any better off because 1) they don't actually move, they just say it, 2) they make the country look bad by saying it without valid explanation... etc.

Well, outbursts like "Bush is a loser I'm off to Canada" aren't valid in my book, but if you think otherwise, that's fine too.

So really, no one is saying that Canada is inferior, far from it, but people are just wondering how that phrase, "i'm moving to Canada", got started and how does benefit a person if they don't really mean to do it.

[PinkTrash]

meh, If I were American, I wouldnt move cause of something negative here in my country, but because of something positive somewhere else :)
idunno at first sight, Canada looks like it has a good health system, but bs. Im canadian. ;]

[gigiopolis]

meh, If I were American, I wouldnt move cause of something negative here in my country, but because of something positive somewhere else :)
idunno at first sight, Canada looks like it has a good health system, but bs. Im canadian. ;]

LOL yes. You should try living in Vancouver, and all the frickin time Health Care gets on the six o clock news. Geez.

[*stephinika*]

LOL yes. You should try living in Vancouver, and all the frickin time Health Care gets on the six o clock news. Geez.

you live in the vancouver area?? meee toooo!! hahahaha but yeah i guess the assumption of canada as inferior isn't actually said, but it is implied in that first post thing. its just annoying when canada is stereotyped so often.

[DaTru KataLYST]

I'm not gonna seriously move to Canada.

but IF a draft is reinstated, I'm definitely moving to Shanghai.

[ComradeRed]

You do realize that China has a mandatory draft right?

If I had to be drafted, I'd rather be fighting for the Americans than the Chinese "attack with pitchforks and maybe knives" Red Army.

[DaTru KataLYST]

Um. When America reinstates the draft, I'd rather live in China. I see no advantage for America to provoke China. So which country is more likely to draft me when the time comes that America reinstates a draft during a war, or China, that may have a standing draft already, but already has a standing army and is not in any war?


BTW, don't burst my bubble.


And I hope you're using "pitchforks and maybe knives" as a metaphor to their crappy technology. If you're using it literally, you sure are weird.

[ComradeRed]

You'd have to serve anyway, and I'm pretty sure the peacetime conditions aren't great.

In America, 9/10 soldiers are not in combat positions. If you are drafted, chances are you will not be on the frontlines, instead performing support duties for well-trained Marine and Ranger units.

[DaTru KataLYST]

You'd have to serve anyway, and I'm pretty sure the peacetime conditions aren't great.

In America, 9/10 soldiers are not in combat positions. If you are drafted, chances are you will not be on the frontlines, instead performing support duties for well-trained Marine and Ranger units.

You are mildly making me feel better about a potential draft. Can you support your statistic?


I believe that the Chinese gov't isn't looking at attacking/provoking anyone right now or in short term future. All I see is a country trying to catch up from a 30 year late start. With their 2008 and 2012 Olympics and World Trade Convention, I really doubt they would want any status other than peacetime.

[azn_r4pf4n]

you live in the vancouver area?? meee toooo!! hahahaha but yeah i guess the assumption of canada as inferior isn't actually said, but it is implied in that first post thing. its just annoying when canada is stereotyped so often.

i've been to vancouver. the pplz there r nice. =D

[gigiopolis]

you live in the vancouver area?? meee toooo!! hahahaha but yeah i guess the assumption of canada as inferior isn't actually said, but it is implied in that first post thing. its just annoying when canada is stereotyped so often.

LOL yup. Actually I live in Burnaby, but close enough =).

[*CrackedRearView*]

The reason there won't be a draft is the sheer fact that there is an ample surplus of volunteer military recruits.

Think about it for a second. At your high school, how many of the underachiever, don't care, "I just want my 23 credits and then I'm out" kids do you feel will move on to a higher paying career than the military?

There really aren't many sin a college degree.

[*kryogenix*]

You are mildly making me feel better about a potential draft. Can you support your statistic?


I believe that the Chinese gov't isn't looking at attacking/provoking anyone right now or in short term future. All I see is a country trying to catch up from a 30 year late start. With their 2008 and 2012 Olympics and World Trade Convention, I really doubt they would want any status other than peacetime.

It takes 10 people to supply 1 soldier in the US army. Logistics is that important. With that, chances are you're going to be on a supply ship or truck, rather than a aircraft carrier or tank.

[Rachel]

id move there because i heard that marijuana was legalized or some cool stuff like that

[gigiopolis]

id move there because i heard that marijuana was legalized or some cool stuff like that

LOL. No. The government won't have it. This is especially a problem in Vancouver's Downtown Eastside, where you might have heard of the marijuana "bar/cafe". It got shut down within a month.

People are TRYING to get it legalized, which to me, is just bs. But there's so much damn controversy that it's just not happening, for convenience.

We should make a topic about how much people know about Canada. Apparently about 10% of Americans know who the Prime Minister is.

[Rachel]

awwww man! i hope i can return my plane ticket

[sadolakced acid]

the legalized the state sale of marajuana, for 'medical purposes' and if you get caught with just enough to smoke it but not to deal it, it's like a traffic fine. you get a ticket for like 60 bucks.

[faithin_felix]

I'd move to a European country because they hate Bush.

so you saying canadians like Bush? lol


best reason: MOVE TO CANADA BECAUSE I LIVE THERE!!

[gigiopolis]

so you saying canadians like Bush? lol


best reason: MOVE TO CANADA BECAUSE I LIVE THERE!!

LOL. True, but Canada does have more support for Bush than certain European countries do *coughFRANCEcough*

[SkaironFrenzy]

if kerry was elected i would to back to the PI (philippines)....






as u can see i'm just joking

[l_anqeless_l]

i dunno why people are complaining so much when its pretty much going to be just as it has been for the last four yrs.

[gigiopolis]

i dunno why people are complaining so much when its pretty much going to be just as it has been for the last four yrs.

Yeah, um...maybe it's because they couldn't DO anything for those four years, considering they didn't know what kinds of tricks Bush had up his sleeve...

But now they're pissed off that he's elected again, even though after all the mess they think he made, so that's why they're complaining...

Why wouldn't they complain? Why wouldn't people complain about something they don't like? Just because it's the same doesn't mean people will start liking it...=\

You make no sense.

[sammi rules you]

they're saying they don't wanna be part of a country in which the main decision maker for it is making many decisions they don't agree with.

if kerry got elected, many bush supporters would be doing the same thing.

[Saeglopur]

I'll move there because of the aurora.

[aznxdreamer]

its because canadas so boring, nothing happens, no worries, perfect boring place.

[*kryogenix*]

they're saying they don't wanna be part of a country in which the main decision maker for it is making many decisions they don't agree with.

if kerry got elected, many bush supporters would be doing the same thing.

Really? I haven't heard any Bush supporters say that. But pre election, I've heard many people say "If Bush wins, I'm moving to Canada."

[Spirited Away]

Really? I haven't heard any Bush supporters say that. But pre election, I've heard many people say "If Bush wins, I'm moving to Canada."

Yea, I've never said anything about moving to Canada if Kerry won. It was the Kerry supporters that started the whole thing.

[EXPLO5ION]

I doubt anyone who hates bush would actually move to Canada. Its a joke anyways.

[Spirited Away]

I doubt anyone who hates bush would actually move to Canada. Its a joke anyways.

I think the fact that it was a joke was established for a while now... the point of inquiry was basically... "why Canada?".

Actually, a lot of people were quite serious when they said "I'm moving to Canada".

[sadolakced acid]

Oh canada!

well, first off. it's cold.
second, you can drink the water there ( unlike mexico)
third, they have mounties.
fourth, did i just say they have mounties?

i have no idea...

[faithin_felix]

Oh canada!

well, first off. it's cold.
second, you can drink the water there ( unlike mexico)
third, they have mounties.
fourth, did i just say they have mounties?

i have no idea...

i'm canadian but whats a mountie? lol

it gets very hot in the summer, trust me...

[sadolakced acid]

can't be as hot as mexico.

anyways, number two would be the only reason for me, as i like heat better than cold (i say this every winter. guess what i say every summer?)

[gigiopolis]

i'm canadian but whats a mountie? lol

A mountie's a Canadian RCMP man...(Royal Canadian Mounted Police...see?)

And about Bush supporters moving to Canada if Kerry won, I don't think that would be the case. The reason Kerry supporters want to move to Canada is because they know how Bush governs (after all, then they wouldn't support Kerry, would they?) Since they already know how he does his job, they already have established their opinion that Bush is a bad leader. Therefore they want to move to Canada. But Bush supporters may not do that if Kerry won, because they don't know how Kerry leads.

And I really don't know why everyone wants to move to Canada, but my reasons are:
1) It's close.
2) You like the government system. (More taxes --> More free services)
3) It's not Mexico. (I doubt any disagrees with me on this one - I mean, you can't drink the water, you can't eat the candy, it's terribly hot...meh)
4) Depending on where you live, it has a nice, moderate climate.
5) You probably won't strike it rich, but at least you have a smaller chance of living in the streets.
6) Safer (again, depending on where you live). I don't know if this is just me, but when I watch the US local news, there's way more school violence or hate crimes that happen. In Canada there's...very few. So yah.

Not that I'm not proud of being Canadian or anything, but I wouldn't recommend moving there. People have the notion that Canada is "diverse." It's really not. It's only diverse-ish in Vancouver and Toronto, and there it's only Asian and White anyways. Plus, Canada's really really really really really BORING. Especially in Vancouver. Gawd, Vancouver's boring.

[Spirited Away]

And about Bush supporters moving to Canada if Kerry won, I don't think that would be the case. The reason Kerry supporters want to move to Canada is because they know how Bush governs (after all, then they wouldn't support Kerry, would they?) Since they already know how he does his job, they already have established their opinion that Bush is a bad leader. Therefore they want to move to Canada. But Bush supporters may not do that if Kerry won, because they don't know how Kerry leads.

Considering how divided this country was during the campaigns, I wouldn't be surprised if Bush supporters would say they would move to Canada if Kerry wins because they were very well aware of the plans Kerry has. Both sides know what they were voting for, in my opinion.

I just feel that it was incredibly immature to have that kind of outburst, unless it was just to poke fun, and the "Jesus Land" stuff. I guess everyone has their own way of criticizing though.

And I really don't know why everyone wants to move to Canada, but my reasons are:
1) It's close.
2) You like the government system. (More taxes --> More free services)
3) It's not Mexico. (I doubt any disagrees with me on this one - I mean, you can't drink the water, you can't eat the candy, it's terribly hot...meh)
4) Depending on where you live, it has a nice, moderate climate.
5) You probably won't strike it rich, but at least you have a smaller chance of living in the streets.
6) Safer (again, depending on where you live). I don't know if this is just me, but when I watch the US local news, there's way more school violence or hate crimes that happen. In Canada there's...very few. So yah.

Why not somewhere in Europe?

[gigiopolis]

Why not somewhere in Europe?

Well, my first reason was "Canada's close." Which is true, because people don't want to be far away from the family and relatives, no?

Were you referring to my outburst? No offense, I didn't feel that was an outburst. It was just my opinion. That's how I feel about Canada, coming from someone who lives in Canada. idk.

[Spirited Away]

Well, my first reason was "Canada's close." Which is true, because people don't want to be far away from the family and relatives, no?

No, they wouldn't. But if that's the case for choosing Canada then why choose it at all? If they really cared they wouldn't leave in the first place. As far as I'm concern those people who said that they're moving were lying because I don't see any mass immigration to Canada.

Were you referring to my outburst? No offense, I didn't feel that was an outburst. It was just my opinion.  That's how I feel about Canada, coming from someone who lives in Canada. idk.

No, I wasn't refering to yours. I was refering to people who says "I'm seriously moving to Canada if Bush wins the election". Like I said, if that was meant to poke fun, then that's fine, but there were too many people who convinced me of their seriousness.

[gigiopolis]

No, they wouldn't. But if that's the case for choosing Canada then why choose it at all? If they really cared they wouldn't leave in the first place. As far as I'm concern those people who said that they're moving were lying because I don't see any mass immigration to Canada.

Not that I don't agree with that. I do think that most of the people who are saying these things are lying. I was just giving my own, more practical reasons to try to explain something...that won't happen.

^ Did that make any sense? Meh.

The best way to answer this question is that most people are joking/lying.

[Sumiaki]

I saw the news like 2 days after the election. A good handful of americans do move after every election. This election however, has more americans moving to canada than "usual". Personally I think if you truly are an american, you wouldn't turn your back just because of an election that didn't go your way. Why Canada? I don't know? Free health insurance and spacious? lol

[Spirited Away]

I saw the news like 2 days after the election. A good handful of americans do move after every election. This election however, has more americans moving to canada than "usual". Personally I think if you truly are an american, you wouldn't turn your back just because of an election that didn't go your way. Why Canada? I don't know? Free health insurance and spacious? lol

I met over 6 families who immigrated to Cananda and came back. There was one Canadian couple I've talked to who have been trying to attain American citizenship for a long while now.

Every country has it appeals, I suppose, but the majority of the people who claimed they will move are liars.

It does boggle the mind.

The best way to answer this question is that most people are joking/lying.

I suppose.