Do you believe in STIGMATA Options

[heyyfrankie]

Stigmata n. - Bodily marks, sores, or sensations of pain corresponding in location to the crucifixion wounds of Jesus, usually occurring during states of religious ecstasy or hysteria.

I heard that it is real. and i was looking through my Guinnes Book of World Records, and there is a record for it. the title of it is "Longest Time with Stigmata". or something like that. and the record was like a month. the movie was kinda wierd.

i don't know if it is real. i'm not very godly, so "

so do you believe in it?

[jambaJUICE]

Yeah I believe in it. and i think its fcuking scary.

And there have been cases of it, or so i`ve heard.
And you know like when Jesus was going to die on the cross.
A nun with stigmata had forseen it, and told the Newspapers about it.

(Sumn like that im not shure)

[hi-C]

Interesting topic.

As for my belief in them, I'm not sure if stigmata really divine or if it's just a manifestation of the mind.

[dreamerOi]

woww. thats surreal. i guess i can believe in it. but im not sure. &it is scary. but im not afraid of it.

[sunissed14127]

Yes i belive.
It's pretty scary though.
Hmm....Interesting lol.
I dont know much about it,but i belive.

[muffin dude 292]

we just learned about Padre Pio he had the stigmata i believe in it.

[CrimsonArchangel]

Yeah I believe in it. and i think its fcuking scary.

And there have been cases of it, or so i`ve heard.
And you know like when Jesus was going to die on the cross.
A nun with stigmata had forseen it, and told the Newspapers about it.

(Sumn like that im not shure)

Explain yourself here.
From what I read you said tha a nun with that silly thing you call stigmata predicted that Jesus was going to die and told the newspapers about it. First of all, Jesus died some three thousand years ago, a time where there were no such things as nuns or newspapers.

As for believing in stigmata, I'm going to have to agree with the person that said that its just a manifestation of the mind. It is not real.

[heyyfrankie]

so for the few of you that said that it is not real, do you just think that it is in their head, and they make the wounds themselves?

[heyyfrankie]

so for the few of you that said that it is not real, do you just think that it is in their head, and they make the wounds themselves?

[CrimsonArchangel]

Why not? When people are not in a right state of mind they do random and even harmful things to others and to themselves.

Now you tell me. How *do* the wounds happen? Does some random ethereal being come down and slashes the heck out of a person? Does a *divine* being do this? Whatever happened to the loving God Bible school teaches about? Surely a God like that would not allow humans to be randomly hurt like that. Its just absurd.

[heyyfrankie]

Why not? When people are not in a right state of mind they do random and even harmful things to others and to themselves.

Now you tell me. How *do* the wounds happen? Does some random ethereal being come down and slashes the heck out of a person? Does a *divine* being do this? Whatever happened to the loving God Bible school teaches about? Surely a God like that would not allow humans to be randomly hurt like that. Its just absurd.

this is the way i THINK the wounds get there.

someone gets so close to god, that he inflicts the wounds and pain that he got on the cross onto you. so, he does it. but not to hurt you, i guess he does it because him and that person are so close.

that is how i think it is. but i honestly don't know. i will try to do some research.

[CrimsonArchangel]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I respect that, but re-read what you wrote.

Why would a person that loves you and is really close to you inflict wounds upon you? Last time I checked wounds equal pain in most cases and a nail through one's hands is pretty painful. Again, why would a loving God that just wants to be close to his children inflict pain upon them because they are so close? Jesus died on the cross so that we didn't have to go through the pain he went through. Its in most Bible teachings and stigmata just goes completely against that.

[heyyfrankie]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I respect that, but re-read what you wrote.

Why would a person that loves you and is really close to you inflict wounds upon you? Last time I checked wounds equal pain in most cases and a nail through one's hands is pretty painful. Again, why would a loving God that just wants to be close to his children inflict pain upon them because they are so close? Jesus died on the cross so that we didn't have to go through the pain he went through. Its in most Bible teachings and stigmata just goes completely against that.

i understand what you are saying, but i honestly don't know why he/someone would do that. but i did get a little information...
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The stigmata is the spontaneous appearance of the wound marks of our crucified Lord on a person's body. These marks include the nail wounds at the feet and the hands, the lance wound at the side, the head wounds from the crown of thorns, and the scourge marks over the entire body, particularly the back. A stigmatic (i.e. the person suffering from the stigmata) may have one, several, or all of these wound marks. Moreover, they may be visible or invisible, and they may be permanent, periodic, or temporary in appearance.

Some skeptics would attribute such wound marks on a person to some pathology or even to a psychological condition without considering any notion of the supernatural. Of course, the Church too strives first to ascertain that the origin is not of natural causes, and looks for supernatural evidence to prove that the stigmata is truly a sign from God. Moreover, the Church would also want to insure that the stigmata is not a sign from Satan to cause some spiritual frenzy and lead people astray. Accordingly, since the stigmata is a sign of union with our crucified Lord, the genuine stigmatic must have lived a life of heroic virtue, have endured physical and moral suffering, and have almost always achieved the level of ecstatic union with Him in prayer.
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i don't understand it either. it is very interesting and weird. some parts are hard to believe. well, most parts.

[ryfitaDF]

stigmata is like vampires

they probably don't exist, but it would be damn cool if they did.

[CrimsonArchangel]

i don't understand it either. it is very interesting and weird. some parts are hard to believe. well, most parts.

Oh I agree. I do have to say that things like that are rather interesting but very unbelievable. Like I said before, a loving God would certainly not hurt someone just because they are *close*. If two people (or beings, considering who we're talking about) are close they would strive to protect each other and not allow harm to befall on the other in any way.

[azn_r4pf4n]

woww. thats surreal. i guess i can believe in it. but im not sure. &it is scary. but im not afraid of it.

u point it out in a interesting way.. i never rlly thought about stigma, but when im readin about this in this topic... it sounds scary..

[hi-C]

so for the few of you that said that it is not real, do you just think that it is in their head, and they make the wounds themselves?

There are some people that suffer from hypochondria. People with it (I'm not really sure what to call it) believe they have a disease so much that they actually start experiencing symptoms of the disease in question.

Why can't stigmata be the same way?

[CrimsonArchangel]

There are some people that suffer from hypochondria. People with it (I'm not really sure what to call it) believe they have a disease so much that they actually start experiencing symptoms of the disease in question.

Why can't stigmata be the same way?

Could have not said it better myself.

[waccoon]

The stigmata are wounds believed to duplicate the wounds of Christ's crucifixion that appear on the hands and feet, and sometimes on the side and head, of a person. The fact that the stigmata appear differently on its victims is strong evidence that the wounds are not genuinely miraculous (Wilson).

St. Francis of Assisi (1182 - 1226), devoted to imitate Christ in all ways, apparently inflicted himself with wounds and perpetrated the first stigmatic fraud. There have been several hundred others since, including Magdalena de la Cruz (1487-1560) of Spain (who admitted her fraud when she became seriously ill) and Therese Neumann of Bavaria (1898-1962). The latter reportedly survived for 35 years eating only the "bread" of the Holy Eucharist at mass each morning. She was also said to be clairvoyant and capable of astral projection. One of the more recent stigmatics, Fr. James Bruce, claimed not only to have Christ's wounds but also that religious statues wept in his presence. This was in 1992 in a suburb of Washington, D.C., where strange things are common. Needless to say, he packed the pews. He now runs a parish in rural Virginia where the miracles have ceased.

Self-inflicted wounds are common among people with certain kinds of brain disorders. Claiming that the wounds are miraculous is rare and is more likely due to excessive religiosity than to a diseased brain, though both could be at work in some cases.

The likelihood that the wounds are psychosomatic (psychogenic purpuras), manifested by tortured souls, seems less likely than hoaxing in most cases. There are two main reasons for believing the stigmata are usually self-inflicted, rather than psychosomatic or miraculous. One, no stigmatic ever manifests these wounds from start to finish in the presence of others. Only when they are unwatched do they start to bleed. (There is one apparent exception to this rule: Catia Rivas.) And two, Hume's rule in "Of Miracles" is that when an alleged miracle occurs we ask ourselves which would be more miraculous, the alleged miracle or that we are being hoaxed? Reasonableness requires us to go with the lesser of two miracles, the least improbable, and conclude that we are witnessing not miracles but pious frauds. All 32 or so recorded cases of stigmata have been Roman Catholics and all but four of those cases were women. No case of stigmata is known to have occurred before the thirteenth century,* when the crucified Jesus became a standard icon of Christianity in the west. Reasonableness seems to require the non-miraculous explanation.

One of the latest to be added to the list of alleged stigmatics is Audrey Santo, a child who has been in a coma since 1987 when she was three years old. What kind of people are inspired by the concept of a God who would render a child comatose and then inflict wounds on her? Joe Nickell thinks he has the answer.

People seem to hunger for some tangible religious experience, and wherever there is such profound want there is the opportunity for what may be called "pious fraud." Money is rarely the primary motive, the usual impetus being to seemingly triumph over adversity, renew the faith of believers, and confound the doubters.

People also don't want to think God would allow purposeless and gratuitous pain. They like to feel important and please those with power over them. What could be more special than being chosen to suffer the Savior's wounds and torments? What could please God more than being a living proof of God's existence? Well, being honest and truthful might be a good start.

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[CrimsonArchangel]

Wacoon, you rock. That pretty much explains my views.

[gigiopolis]

Why not? When people are not in a right state of mind they do random and even harmful things to others and to themselves.

Now you tell me. How *do* the wounds happen? Does some random ethereal being come down and slashes the heck out of a person? Does a *divine* being do this? Whatever happened to the loving God Bible school teaches about? Surely a God like that would not allow humans to be randomly hurt like that. Its just absurd.

I agree. A lot of thing are all in our minds; how we think affects what happens to us.

For example, I read something in the newspaper a couple years back about a cancer patient. She was given a very low percentage of survival, unless she took some sort of new drug that the doctor would give her. She opted for the drug, and the cancerous parts started to go away.

It doesn't sound very exciting, eh? But it gets better.

It turns out the doctor who gave her the drug was behind a medical scheme to see if humans are in fact able to control what happens to their bodies. What he shot into her was simply a flu shot, a shot unable to cure her cancer.

So how did the woman survive the ordeal? It's most likely that human can, in fact, control our bodies with our minds.

I think it's entirely possible for this stigmata to be caused by the human mind.

[xHalf nHalf]

umm..thats interesting i looked it up and there wasnt much about the wounds being connected with the crucifixtion. theres no need for God to inflict those kind of marks on people because his son already went through the pain for all of us..thats the whole point. he went to the cross so we wouldnt have to experience the pain because it is too heavy of a burden. and to my knowledge theres nothing in the Bible referring to this..if it was real then it would make sense to have something about it in there. but hey not everybody believes as i do, thats just my opinion. so no, i dont believe in it

[Saeglopur]

Seeing.




is.



Believing.

[dani41790]

yea i do believe in it. ive seen some cases of stigmata and its freaky

[divinity_star]

I do not really understand stigmata. Why would you want to inflict harm upon yourself. What does it do? The only thing I know is that some guy in my Criminal Law class last year brought that movie in and showed a clip of some bathtub scene....Right now, stigmata sounds odd.

[miss barnes]

oh that movie was KRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sammi rules you]

oh that movie was KRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!

what? what movie?......
do you even know what this topic is about?

[CrimsonArchangel]

I think she's talking about the movie Stigmata...

[miss barnes]

what? what movie?......
do you even know what this topic is about?

yea i know what is about...thats why i said i like the movie. have you ever heard of the movie. There is a movie that came out a couple years ago called "stigmata"

[sadolakced acid]

notice that a lot of stigmata is fake?

crucifiction requires your wrists to be nailed, not your palms. if you were nailed in your palm, your flesh would rip off and you'd fall off.

jesus therefore had to be nailed in the wrists.

but a lot of stigmata is on the palms... because paintings depict jesus nailed in the palms...

[*Statistik*]

No, i don't believe in it but it can be a scary thing if it really did happened in reality..i dont get it

[CrimsonArchangel]

notice that a lot of stigmata is fake?

crucifiction requires your wrists to be nailed, not your palms. if you were nailed in your palm, your flesh would rip off and you'd fall off.

jesus therefore had to be nailed in the wrists.

but a lot of stigmata is on the palms... because paintings depict jesus nailed in the palms...

Props to you, Mr. Acid.

[Yemmerz]

Who knows.
Half the time I see them in the palms.
And the other half it's the wrist.

It's supposed to be the wrist.

[nexuskpl]

ugh creepy!!!omg that's just so f-in scary to even imagine...

[smilePiNAYstyle]

i guess it`s real. yeah i heard that Padre Pio had stigmata and there was this thing that showed him (live and in person) giving a mass a couple of years before he died. He gave mass with his hands bandaged and stuff. so, I believe it cause if it`s something in the mind - how can everyone who watches the tape see the marks too?

[sadolakced acid]

self infliction. he did not have true stigmata, if what you say if correct.

note: you said bandaged hands. it's obviously a fake. true stigmata, if it exists, would be on the wrists.

view previous posts for more on that...

thanks crimson.

[jambaJUICE]

Explain yourself here.
From what I read you said tha a nun with that silly thing you call stigmata predicted that Jesus was going to die and told the newspapers about it. First of all, Jesus died some three thousand years ago, a time where there were no such things as nuns or newspapers.

As for believing in stigmata, I'm going to have to agree with the person that said that its just a manifestation of the mind. It is not real.

Hah, sorry. I meant to say that during the making of the movie, "Passion of the Christ" a nun had been yeah.

Lol, idk, haha, i forgot.
Just pretend I never said anything =X