Homosexual, //what if...? Options

[razbus]

I know that there have been debates on homosexuals, but i would like to add a few things.

1. How do you feel about it? Is it okay? Is it wrong?

2. What if you knew someone for years... and then you find out that they were gay/lesbian... would that change the way you feel about them? Would you still respect them?

3. Should it be legal for them to marry?

Heres how i feel...

1. I personally do not see a problem with it. I have several gay/lesbian friends. That's the way they are. I dont see why it's such a big deal.

2. This actually happened to me. I knew this guy for like a year before he told me he was gay. I never saw it coming. It didn't change a thing. He's still my compadre. lol.

3. Absolutely. This is one thing i absolutely push for. How would this effect anyone negatively??


I really expect some comments on this one...

[sporadic]

1. It's fine. Being gay isn't something that most people choose to be. It's not like one day they're like "I wanna piss off everyone! *turns gay" They're just born gay.

2. I don't think it would matter to me. Unless it was a girl friend and she had a crush on me or something...

3. Yeah, everyone deserves the choice to be married. to whomever they want. People say if you let gays get married then you're going to have to start letting people marry like... inanimate objects or animals and crap. What the hell? Letting two human beings get married and letting some weird freak and their dog get married is a very big leap. Just because they both have the same genitalia.. no reason to discriminate against them.

[ryfitaDF]

homosexuals are all right by me.

my old friend Ken came out of the closet a year and a half ago and my respect for him sky rocketed. he's all cool about it n stuff and doesn't care about homophobes or anything.

since the govt. has authority of people getting married it only seems apropriate that homosexuals can wed.

[LiNHy POO]

1- im alright with it! if this is how they feel or want to do, i have to respect it.

2- hmm.. not really. it would be kinda shocking at first, but ill get used to it. i wont look at them one bit different either.

3- yehh i think it should be legal, i see nothing wrong with it.

[avsugarhigh09]

1. no. it's cool. there's nothing unnatural about loving someone. even if they're the same gender...

2. i don't think it should change. unless you had a crush on them. that would be a little weird.

3. defenitly. i think it's unfair to deny someone marriage just because we view them differently.

[nyctophiliac]

1. How do you feel about it? Is it okay? Is it wrong?
I think it's a little weird for people of the same sex to like each other but it's not my business.

2. What if you knew someone for years... and then you find out that they were gay/lesbian... would that change the way you feel about them? Would you still respect them?
I would feel a little funny around them but of course I would still respect them!

3. Should it be legal for them to marry?
Yes, everyone should be able to marry whomever they choose
My two cents ^
Steph

[inthemudhole]

1. How do you feel about it? Is it okay? Is it wrong?
It's fine with me. *shrug* It's cool that people are different, and I respect their own decisions/ways of life.

2. What if you knew someone for years... and then you find out that they were gay/lesbian... would that change the way you feel about them? Would you still respect them?
I'd still respect them, of course! Psh. They can't help that they're gay anymore than we can help we're straight.

3. Should it be legal for them to marry?
Yes. If we (straights) can, they sure as hell should be able to, as well.

[muffin dude 292]

1. Its okay with me

2. Nothing would change i would still respect them
3. If they love each other why not they have rights also

[Prometheusx]

1. No problem with me
2. Its there business as to what they want to tell you... If you were billionaire and wanted "real" friends, would you go around telling everybody. Not a very good example, but it's their business and you have no right nosing in. Who cares which gender your friends has sex with
3. Why not...what wrong with that....we have a show called "who wants to marry a millionaire" so there is NOTHING sacred about marriage these days.

[Retrogressive]

why are their so many topics about this? Come on, honestly.

[levinwong]

I know that there have been debates on homosexuals, but i would like to add a few things.

1. How do you feel about it? Is it okay? Is it wrong?

2. What if you knew someone for years... and then you find out that they were gay/lesbian... would that change the way you feel about them? Would you still respect them?

3. Should it be legal for them to marry?

Heres how i feel...

1. I personally do not see a problem with it. I have several gay/lesbian friends. That's the way they are. I dont see why it's such a big deal.

2. This actually happened to me. I knew this guy for like a year before he told me he was gay. I never saw it coming. It didn't change a thing. He's still my compadre. lol.

3. Absolutely. This is one thing i absolutely push for. How would this effect anyone negatively??


I really expect some comments on this one...

1. it's ok, nothing wrong, one's preference
2. yes i would respect them
3. it should be legal, but not encouraged

[PinkTrash]

A lot of people are against it, but they dont know how they would feel if their son or daughter or whatever were homosexual :/ This doesnt affect me in any way.. but I still think it should be legal

[xXYouMeBedNowXx]

The House rejected the Amendment on Gay Marriage. Looks like the Government isn't so insane after all:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/01/...e.ap/index.html

[Retrogressive]

I'm sorry the "the house rejected the Admendment on Gay Marriage. Looks like the government isn't so insane after all." I think that makes the government look even more insane.

[kantoaznboi]

1. How do you feel about it? Is it okay? Is it wrong?
i ok wit it, i'm bi myself, so that should answer that

2. What if you knew someone for years... and then you find out that they were gay/lesbian... would that change the way you feel about them? Would you still respect them?
of course, i came out to 2 of my friends and they chill wit it. they didnt change the way they felt bout me, but maybe more closer.

3. Should it be legal for them to marry?

theres this saying that my friend had on his profile. marriage is not a heterosexuals privilage, but a human right

i think thats how it goes. lol but yea i support it, i think its redicuous to deny two people who love each other and thye cant take it to the next level.

[someflipguy]

1. How do you feel about it? Is it okay? Is it wrong?

I have no problem with gay people...I have many gay friends...so thats no worry there...hehe

2. What if you knew someone for years... and then you find out that they were gay/lesbian... would that change the way you feel about them? Would you still respect them?

Hell no!! I got a friend now, he won't tell anyone that he is gay but, everyone knows that he is...I just think he doesn't want to say cus he don't know how everyone will react...i personally don't care he is one of my good friends and that wont change...

3. Should it be legal for them to marry?

This is a sensitive subject...so i just won't answer it..

[gelionie]

1. How do you feel about it? Is it okay? Is it wrong?

I'm not totally against homosexual, but I'm not supportive either.

2. What if you knew someone for years... and then you find out that they were gay/lesbian... would that change the way you feel about them? Would you still respect them?

I think probably not. Everyone has their own choice and I respect them.

3. Should it be legal for them to marry?

Erm... I think no (sorry)

[emrzz09]

1. How do you feel about it? Is it okay? Is it wrong? It's fine. It's not wrong at all. They're still humans. I have many many many gay/lesbian friends, I have more gay/lesbian friends than I do straight.

2. What if you knew someone for years... and then you find out that they were gay/lesbian... would that change the way you feel about them? Would you still respect them? No, my views would not be changed on them. I would probably repsect them more than I did before.

3. Should it be legal for them to marry? Of course. It shouldnt matter the race, age, nationality, or gender of 2 people. All that matters is that they love each other.

[*CrackedRearView*]

The gay marriage road takes us right to polygamy.

[ghjgfkgfk]

lets think abotu it this way:
people didnt like it when a white person marries/loved a black person.
but now, none of that matters. you couldnt believe why some people were againest it. maybe in the future, it wouldnt matter what gender you marry.

you dont see gays protesting our weddings. no you dont. open your mind.

[*CrackedRearView*]

lets think abotu it this way:
people didnt like it when a white person marries/loved a black person.
but now, none of that matters. you couldnt believe why some people were againest it. maybe in the future, it wouldnt matter what gender you marry.

you dont see gays protesting our weddings. no you dont. open your mind.

Get in the dictionary and look up the word 'polygamy'.

[Spirited Away]

marriage is not a heterosexuals privilage, but a human right

It is a human right to be married.

Heck, but your friend must consider this: there is common law marriage and there is legal marriage.

I know people who have been common law married for DECADES and are happy. They are recognized as man and wife by everyone except the law but they don't care. They're happy with the way things are (and they are financially stable).

It is a human right to be married and one can say that they are common law married by any means; no one can say otherwise.

WHAT YOU MEAN BY THAT ORIGINAL QUOTE IS, homosexuals want to be married LEGALLY.

Is it a human right to be married legally? I don't know, really, because I think to be married by common law is just as good as legally except without the tax breaks.

[sikdragon]

NO it shouldnt be legal. If we allow gay marriage to be recognized legally, what is to stop room mates from getting the same benefits as a married couple?

[jarnifer]

Get in the dictionary and look up the word 'polygamy'.

polygamy exists within straight people also...being gay doesn't mean you're promiscuous...

gay marriage is about being married to your partner....not a dozen people at the same time

haha....actually the Bible approves of polygamy...

[jarnifer]

NO it shouldnt be legal. If we allow gay marriage to be recognized legally, what is to stop room mates from getting the same benefits as a married couple?

the thing is that they're "stuck" as "room mates" because they can't get married...

married people live together....aren't they technically room mates...but it's just that they're branded as "married"

and i'm not gonna get into the ethics or morality here.....

[angel-roh]

all i wana say that...so they are homosexuals, so they have to continue it forever? well we gotta teach them a lesson on being their ownself. seriously i think it's very disgusting...

and i want it to be illegal... seriously like forever. i know all you guys like homosexual be gay forever and have sex and kiss all day having fun... wow... i dont know why you guys want them to have a nice life and wed together...seriously... i guess you guys dont care whoever they marry... so if ur daughter/son was a les or a gay person... would you let ur daughter marry a daughter? would you reallie do that? ew i cant stand a girl and a girl kissing together like britney spears and madonna...

[DaTru KataLYST]

all i wana say that...so they are homosexuals, so they have to continue it forever? well we gotta teach them a lesson on being their ownself. seriously i think it's very disgusting...

and i want it to be illegal... seriously like forever. i know all you guys like homosexual be gay forever and have sex and kiss all day having fun... wow... i dont know why you guys want them to have a nice life and wed together...seriously... i guess you guys dont care whoever they marry... so if ur daughter/son was a les or a gay person... would you let ur daughter marry a daughter? would you reallie do that? ew i cant stand a girl and a girl kissing together like britney spears and madonna...

Um, people who are frightened of change in society say that.

EDIT: It doesn't matter if you're disgusted with it. Having an argument by saying it disgusts you isn't valid at all. It actually kinda makes you look stupid and ignorant (saying generally to anyone who uses personal feelings like disgust to back up their opinion) Now you can manifest your disgust and go find some hard evidence on why it should be illegal forever, then that would be debate. No one can "argue" or "change" your feelings since it seems so buried deep in your heart.

Our school had a debate on gay marriage. Pro was that its a human right. Con was that it would open the door for polygamy activists and beastiality and pedialphile activists.

Now I totally agreed w/ both sides, but I had to choose pro in the end. Just becaues there is a chance it can open the door, it is STILL a human right. The def of marriage in america's gov't has "any man and woman joined..." ok, so that would automatically void all gay marriages right? Well back when blacks couldn't marry whites, the def of marriage was "any same colored man and woman joined.." So the gov't can change it's definitions.

Umm pedialfialia(sp) doesn't have a consenting partner in it so it can't be legal (unless the gov't finds 5 y/o have a mature enough mind)

I can't say anything about polygamy, i totally forgot the argument against it. =/

P.S. the debate was funny at the end, a guy came up and brought religion into it. which sparked another hour of debate. and the debate was going so secular too.*sigh*

[kalyps0]

1. How do you feel about it? Is it okay? Is it wrong?
Yes I do think its wrong but I have nothing against it.

2. What if you knew someone for years... and then you find out that they were gay/lesbian... would that change the way you feel about them? Would you still respect them?
No it doesn't change the way I feel about them. My ex actually came several months ago..and I'm still friends with him though it is a bit weird for me when he starts talking about guys and stuff like that around me.

3. Should it be legal for them to marry?
No I don't think so..I think there should be some other way that gay people can be together that would be marriage with the same benefits just not called the same thing. But it really is there right to get married.

[DittotoAnne18]

1. How do you feel about it? Is it okay? Is it wrong?
Honestly, i think its fine if people want to get married..who cares if they are two men or two women? I believe what it comes down to is love, so if they love eachother, why not right?

2. What if you knew someone for years... and then you find out that they were gay/lesbian... would that change the way you feel about them? Would you still respect them?
Yeah, it wouldnt really change how i felt about them. They are still human beings and they deserve respect, they didnt do anything wrong did they?

3. Should it be legal for them to marry?
Yes, it should. They love eachother.

It makes me very angry that people would be against this. It makes peoples lives better, and if you are against it, answer this one question - How does it affect you if they get marrieD? No one is making anyone get married to anyone, so why does it really matter?

[straightedge9]

1. How do you feel about it? Is it okay? Is it wrong?

I feel VERY strongly about this topic.. IT IS PERFECTLY FINE TO BE GAY. there is no way at all that it is wrong. not AT ALL. yeah so im a little disturbed when i see lesbians making out. that doesn't mean that it's WRONG. is it a sin to be in love?

2. What if you knew someone for years... and then you find out that they were gay/lesbian... would that change the way you feel about them? Would you still respect them?

I would respect them all the more for being able to tell me that they were gay. I have a couple gay friends, and personally, i think they are SO much sweeter than any other straight guys. And if it's someone i've known? well, if it was a girl, then yes i would feel a little odd around them... but i would try my hardest to make it easier for them to go through.

3. Should it be legal for them to marry?

O yeah... even my parents, who are against gay rights, have told me that marriage is all about love. and like i've said.. if you're in love, then you should be allowed to get married.

and all you people that are saying being gay is wrong... what would you do if you loved someone very very much, and then you weren't allowed to get married... you weren't allowed to have the title of marriage.. and you have to live an illegal life if you do get married somewhere... how can you say that being merely gay is wrong, when people like you are hurting these couples so badly.

[dreamerOi]

1. How do you feel about it? Is it okay? Is it wrong? I think if it makes you happy its alright.

2. What if you knew someone for years... and then you find out that they were gay/lesbian... would that change the way you feel about them? Would you still respect them? I don't like to judge people so no it wouldn't change how i feel about them. I respect everyone that is respectable.

3. Should it be legal for them to marry? Sure, what should hold them back i mean if someone took away your happiness how would you feel?

[straightedge9]

all i wana say that...so they are homosexuals, so they have to continue it forever? well we gotta teach them a lesson on being their ownself. seriously i think it's very disgusting...

and i want it to be illegal... seriously like forever. i know all you guys like homosexual be gay forever and have sex and kiss all day having fun... wow... i dont know why you guys want them to have a nice life and wed together...seriously... i guess you guys dont care whoever they marry... so if ur daughter/son was a les or a gay person... would you let ur daughter marry a daughter? would you reallie do that? ew i cant stand a girl and a girl kissing together like britney spears and madonna...

first of all... you aren't making much sense.. i had to read that through a couple times to understand what you were saying....

i can't believe that you would think that this debate is about people "having sex and kiss all day having fun" do you really think that the author of this topic had that in mind when they posted this? and if my son or daughter was gay or a lesbian... i would have NO problem with it. you have no control over other peoples feelings.... even if being gay in itself is outlawed... people are still going to be gay. you can't change the way that you are attracted to someone. i must admit.. even i have had feelings more than just physical attraction for another girl. and that wasnt by choice let me tell you.... and as for "teaching them a lesson on being their ownself." for a gay or a lesbian... that IS their "ownself". they cant change who they are just for people like you.

[ghjgfkgfk]

all i wana say that...so they are homosexuals, so they have to continue it forever? well we gotta teach them a lesson on being their ownself. seriously i think it's very disgusting...

and i want it to be illegal... seriously like forever. i know all you guys like homosexual be gay forever and have sex and kiss all day having fun... wow... i dont know why you guys want them to have a nice life and wed together...seriously... i guess you guys dont care whoever they marry... so if ur daughter/son was a les or a gay person... would you let ur daughter marry a daughter? would you reallie do that? ew i cant stand a girl and a girl kissing together like britney spears and madonna...

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[lilazneye10]

i dont descriminate against that a human is a human

[*Weird addiction*]

nothing wrong being gay...if my friend wuz gay ill respect him/her as if they wuz straight!! ppl should stop blabbing bout this,it's their f*cking sexuality!!!

[*mSz_dOrk_anGeL*]

1. How do you feel about it? Is it okay? Is it wrong?

I feel that if your gay, your gay. To me it's not wrong at all, this is the land of the free, and if you want to be gay, 'Rock on in the free world'

2. What if you knew someone for years... and then you find out that they were gay/lesbian... would that change the way you feel about them? Would you still respect them?

Nope. Not at all. I don't think I could ever change my feelings for someone just because of their choices. I would love them the same way. I infact already have two best friends who are lesbians, and when they came out, I was so happy for them. They had found peace in their hearts.

3. Should it be legal for them to marry?

Beh, this is a touchy one. I feel that maybe it is okay. But, if they can't marry then give them the same rights as married couples. My uncle and my 'aunt' have been with each other for over 12 years, but they arnt married, but they still have same rights as married couples. Thats how I feel -_-


So yeah .. bite me ..

[HiddenFaerie]

1. I don't think that being gay is wrong at all. It's normal. It's not really your choice to make, you're born gay and have to live with it.

2. At first I might be a bit annoyed. Something that big shouldn't have been kept off for so long. But I don't think think it's all that big of a deal. I have gay and bisexual friends, I respect and love them.

3. Of coarse. If two people love each other enough to make the commitment they should do it. Love is love, there is simply nothing more to it.

[*Weird addiction*]

1. How do you feel about it? Is it okay? Is it wrong?
personnaly i dont wanna be gay,i dont like girls but i love it when boys kiss or have sex,i mean sometimes we get bored with the opposite sex,its normal,its their choice,ppl should stop critisizing them
2. What if you knew someone for years... and then you find out that they were gay/lesbian... would that change the way you feel about them? Would you still respect them?
of course,they never changed,just their sexuality....its just like "what if u knew someone for years and then u find out that they have aids"....the only diff is that homosexuality isnt a sickness,its a sexuality
3. Should it be legal for them to marry?
well of course,marraige shouldnt be about race or sex but about love

oops double posted!!

This post has been edited by sandra6645: Oct 24 2004, 10:20 AM

[I.Luff.Emo.Boys.]

lets think abotu it this way:
people didnt like it when a white person marries/loved a black person.
but now, none of that matters. you couldnt believe why some people were againest it. maybe in the future, it wouldnt matter what gender you marry.

you dont see gays protesting our weddings. no you dont. open your mind.

i totally agree.

I think its un-constitutional to ban gay marriges.

A person always has their basic rights- life, liberty and the pursuit of happyness.

If being married to the one you love makes you happy, its your right to do it, no matter what gender.
If america is so free, then why people marry the ones they love?

[I.Luff.Emo.Boys.]

all i wana say that...so they are homosexuals, so they have to continue it forever? well we gotta teach them a lesson on being their ownself. seriously i think it's very disgusting...

and i want it to be illegal... seriously like forever. i know all you guys like homosexual be gay forever and have sex and kiss all day having fun... wow... i dont know why you guys want them to have a nice life and wed together...seriously... i guess you guys dont care whoever they marry... so if ur daughter/son was a les or a gay person... would you let ur daughter marry a daughter? would you reallie do that? ew i cant stand a girl and a girl kissing together like britney spears and madonna...

all i want to say is that your a shallow and selfish person.

if you dont want to see girls/guys kissing, turn away, because its none of your buisness. If i had a daughter and i found out she was gay of course i would be shocked, but i would go to her wedding to her spouse and i would totally support her. Do you see gay people marching around banning us from marrying? im sure they arent turned on buy guy/girl kissing either. Gay marrige is only a problem to people because they are the minority in the United States. Which, by the way, is supposedly "free" but a person who loves someone the same gender cant even marry them.

If the United States was made up of mostley gay people, im sure you would like your right to marry the other sex.

[Spirited Away]

I find some arguements for homosexuals very valid, heart-warming (like the person who said "I do not discriminate what is human"), and persuasive, while others complete absurdities.

To those who thinks that one can just "turn away" from something they don't like, that's the most problematic thing you can say in this debate.

With that line of thought, I can argue that if someone prefers beastiality and you have a problem with it, why not just turn away? It's none of your business. And what of incest? It's none of your business, just turn away. How about those who want to commit suicide or cut themselves? It's what they want, just turn away because it's none of your business.

That line of arguement just doesn't work to persuade, it just pisses people on the other side off.

[*kryogenix*]

If the United States was made up of mostley gay people, im sure you would like your right to marry the other sex.

no, because if everyone was gay, no one would be able to reproduce. having a majority of gays is really dangerous to the survival of humankind.

[sammi rules you]

1. i don't think it's wrong at all. it's just like a man and a woman, except it's not..i don't know, but you get what i mean. there's nothing wrong with it as long as the people are happy.

2. it wouldn't change my opinion of them. if i'd known them that long, i would probably already know they were before they told me. telling me would just confirm it.

3. of course. there is nothing with them being allowed to marry. if straight people can marry, why can't gay people? what's the bad thing about showing love for another person?

all i wana say that...so they are homosexuals, so they have to continue it forever? well we gotta teach them a lesson on being their ownself. seriously i think it's very disgusting...

and i want it to be illegal... seriously like forever. i know all you guys like homosexual be gay forever and have sex and kiss all day having fun... wow... i dont know why you guys want them to have a nice life and wed together...seriously... i guess you guys dont care whoever they marry... so if ur daughter/son was a les or a gay person... would you let ur daughter marry a daughter? would you reallie do that? ew i cant stand a girl and a girl kissing together like britney spears and madonna...

oh my. i would go off so much at this post, but i'll attempt to control myself.

how is a gay person or a lesbian person kissing another disgusting and straight people isn't? i'd feel the same uncomfortableness with seeing straight people making out in my face as gay people.

if my kid turned out to be gay, i'd let them be with another gay person..it's not like i can change their minds. people are born gay just like people are born black or white. i wouldn't care as long as they're happy.

[ComradeRed]

all i wana say that...so they are homosexuals, so they have to continue it forever? well we gotta teach them a lesson on being their ownself. seriously i think it's very disgusting...

and i want it to be illegal... seriously like forever. i know all you guys like homosexual be gay forever and have sex and kiss all day having fun... wow... i dont know why you guys want them to have a nice life and wed together...seriously... i guess you guys dont care whoever they marry... so if ur daughter/son was a les or a gay person... would you let ur daughter marry a daughter? would you reallie do that? ew i cant stand a girl and a girl kissing together like britney spears and madonna...

Who cares?

People have the right to do what they want as long as it doesn't hurt (hurt, not offend) someone else.

You might be offended by britney and madonna, but someone might have been offended by you typing this message. Should we thus ban free speech?

[Saeglopur]

all i wana say that...so they are homosexuals, so they have to continue it forever? well we gotta teach them a lesson on being their ownself. seriously i think it's very disgusting...

and i want it to be illegal... seriously like forever. i know all you guys like homosexual be gay forever and have sex and kiss all day having fun... wow... i dont know why you guys want them to have a nice life and wed together...seriously... i guess you guys dont care whoever they marry... so if ur daughter/son was a les or a gay person... would you let ur daughter marry a daughter? would you reallie do that? ew i cant stand a girl and a girl kissing together like britney spears and madonna...

^ ahem. Not all homosexual people choose to be homosexual, you know that, right?

1. How do you feel about it? Is it okay? Is it wrong?
I think it's fine. I don't see anything wrong with it. I feel as if everyone should be treated fairly. What is really wrong with homosexuality? because your parents & whatever else thought them that man and woman should be and the only them can wed.

2. What if you knew someone for years... and then you find out that they were gay/lesbian... would that change the way you feel about them? Would you still respect them?
No, I would still respect them. Just because 5 minutes of them telling me that they are homosexual doesn't mean I would change the way I see them. I like my friends for who they are.

3. Should it be legal for them to marry?
Yes... but also, friends with benefits, maybe?

[sikdragon]

1. It's a choice, just like those who have a tendancy to steal.

2. Respect has nothing to do with it. If i had a friend who suddenly became addicted to drugs, i would still respect them even if they refused rehab and continued until they were insane. If they gained my respect they keep it till they lie to me. I turn the other cheek.

3. No, what is to stop roommates from getting marriage benefits? Why can't people stay good friends and have sex with bagels and butter anymore? If the government denies their ability to be recognized legally as a couple, why can't they just live together?
besides, marriage is a christian institution. Find you're own ritual and get different tax breaks and benefits by enforcing you're freedom of religion.

[Spirited Away]

besides, marriage is a christian institution. Find you're own ritual and get different tax breaks and benefits by enforcing you're freedom of religion.

Marriage is a cultural institution.

[strice]

exactly. sikdragon isn't helping my immense dislike for christians.

[mzteriouzme007]

X_x i just don't think it's right, but i relaly dont ' care what you say about it... i just don't think taht god made man to be gay... religious thing, i know

[sammi rules you]

besides, marriage is a christian institution. Find you're own ritual and get different tax breaks and benefits by enforcing you're freedom of religion.

that's why they have jewish marriages then, eh?

[Spirited Away]

I read in some books that Christians used to not consider people who married outside of church is really married. In other words, if you're parents aren't Christians they're living in sin, thus, you and I are conceived in sin. I don't know if that belief still holds today.

[sikdragon]

Jews and christians have a common founder and jews were here first, so i guess the credit does go to them rather than the christians who brought the ritual to the US. My bad.

Blindly worshipping the church is not what i or my associates have anything to do with. The church and fellowship with fellow christians and curious non-christians has very little to do with the actual religion of christianity. The church's role is minute, but important don't get me wrong. Marriage is just a public way of showing that two people have been joined together. Have you ever seen "The Fiddler on the Roof"?
The first daughter questioned the tradition of a match maker and he concluded that God was their match maker. If two people join together under God with or without the church they are still married. That is my belief. The legality still may not hold water, but that was not the question.

[sammi rules you]

Jews and christians have a common founder and jews were here first, so i guess the credit does go to them rather than the christians who brought the ritual to the US. My bad.

Blindly worshipping the church is not what i or my associates have anything to do with. The church and fellowship with fellow christians and curious non-christians has very little to do with the actual religion of christianity. The church's role is minute, but important don't get me wrong. Marriage is just a public way of showing that two people have been joined together. Have you ever seen "The Fiddler on the Roof"?
The first daughter questioned the tradition of a match maker and he concluded that God was their match maker. If two people join together under God with or without the church they are still married. That is my belief. The legality still may not hold water, but that was not the question.

wanna run that by me again? because i have no idea what you just said. you also called "the first daughter" a he..or..i don't know..

also, i believe "associates" are "business partners", not people of your religion.

[sikdragon]

No people i associate with. GEEZ.

The father is the HE.

[Saeglopur]

It's a choice, just like those who have a tendancy to steal.

Not everyone homosexual has a choice of being homosexual. Some people have imbalanced hormones and that makes them homosexual.. there would be .. male-ish hormones than female hormones in a girl.. that makes her like ... other girls.

[sikdragon]

So you're saying that just because some biased scientist says so, criminals don't have to be accountable for their actions. It happens, but it is unjust. People alter their chemical balances themselves. Did you know that? They do

[melface]

Not everyone homosexual has a choice of being homosexual. Some people have imbalanced hormones and that makes them homosexual.. there would be .. male-ish hormones than female hormones in a girl.. that makes her like ... other girls.

This is true...

sikdragon, you're being ignorant... Can you HONESTLY sit there and LIKE another male in a SEXUAL manner and ENJOY it and not be DISGUSTED with yourself... Could you do this without me telling you to? As if you were to do this on your own on your own instinct?

[sikdragon]

im being ignorant? anyone can live any way the want, its all a matter of will power.

[melface]

im being ignorant? anyone can live any way the want, its all a matter of will power.

but can you do it.. and be happy with yourself? and like it... and will have a sexual relationship with another homosexual? Could you do it? WILL you do it and still not look down on yourself?

[sammi rules you]

im being ignorant? anyone can live any way the want, its all a matter of will power.

they don't choose to be gay! why would they WANT to with all the riticule people give them? i'm sure no one WANTS to. it's not their choice.

[melface]

My best friend is a homosexual... and he's told me that he's always known that he wasn't like all the other boys in his classes.. He told me that he liked boys when he was in 3rd grade... It wasn't some boy puppy loving some girl two rows to the right of him... He liked other boys!... Now, please tell me... how a 3rd grader could just DECIDE out of nowhere that he was going to be homosexual... He didn't even know what it MEANT! No one wants to be shunned by society... No one wants to risk being murdered for being who they are... No one WANTS to be set apart from society, discriminated, or harrassed.

[sikdragon]

They still choose to do it. Just like a person who steals money from seven-eleven. they do it even though they risk being caught and thrown in jail.

[ComradeRed]

Choice or not, it's their right.

When you steal money from a 7-11, you cause involuntary harm to someone.

When you screw someone consensually, there is no crime involved.

[sikdragon]

when you lie to someone noone gets hurt, but that is still wrong.

[ComradeRed]

That depends on the situation.

[Saeglopur]

So you're saying that just because some biased scientist says so, criminals don't have to be accountable for their actions. It happens, but it is unjust. People alter their chemical balances themselves. Did you know that? They do

^ Do you not get it? Homosexuality has been around before your mother's mother has been born. People get imbalanced hormones.. HORMONES meaning.. like tosterones and all those things.. those things that make YOU up. The ones that give you puberty and make up who YOU are.

First of all, would you know why people turn gay or are gay? No, you probably don't because you probably, most likely are not gay so you have never seen it through a homosexual person's point of view and don't say that I haven't because I know what I'm talking about.

[ghjgfkgfk]

i disagree with sikdragon. do you thinki will wake up the next day and say to myself, 'i'm going to les today!'?
uhh no.

i got this from a site which the owner is (ohh, gasp) gay;

Unlike what a lot of people say, being gay is NOT a choice. People who are gay know what I mean. If you're not, then I don't expect you to understand. It's a feeling. It's who you are. You can't control it or help it. That said...

http://lavished.net/scott.html

[I.Luff.Emo.Boys.]

no, because if everyone was gay, no one would be able to reproduce. having a majority of gays is really dangerous to the survival of humankind.

thats not the point im not talking about reproduction im talking about rights.

[sammi rules you]

They still choose to do it. Just like a person who steals money from seven-eleven. they do it even though they risk being caught and thrown in jail.

no they don't! they can't control it. it's just like if you like someone, you can't help but like them. it's not like you like anyone you want to. i'm sure if we could control who we like, we'd be a lot happier. trust me, i wish i didn't like the person i do but i can't help it. gay people can't help that they like someone of the same sex.

[sunissed14127]

1. How do you feel about it? Is it okay? Is it wrong? I think it is ok, because they r human just like everyone else,and the only way they r different is because of their sexual orientation.

2. What if you knew someone for years... and then you find out that they were gay/lesbian... would that change the way you feel about them? Would you still respect them? yes i would. i have a gay friend,and that doesnt change our relationship at all.

3. Should it be legal for them to marry? i think it should,because the only difference in their relation ship is they will be married. they alrady have the right to kiss,and to live together.

[pandamonium]

like what i said before.... you dont choose to be gay . you are born gay


what about straight people ? did you choose to be straight no. you were born straight.... and dont say being straight is normal or shit like that... thats how gay people are made fun of and hide their homosexuality because straight people think its regular to be straight ohh yea..

[*kryogenix*]

When you screw someone consensually, there is no crime involved.

isn't sodomy a crime?

thats not the point im not talking about reproduction im talking about rights.

my bad, i thought this was a gay marriage debate. yes, they should be entitled to life, liberty and property.

  like what i said before....l you dont choose to be gay . you are born gay


what about straight people ? did you choose to be straight no.atleast i kno i didnt. you were born straight.... and dont say being straight is normal or shit like that... thats how gay people are made fun of and hide their homosexuality because straight people think its regular to be straight ohh yea..

So, if you're born gay, it's a defect then. Down's Syndrome is a defect. There's a law saying that mentally retarded people can't own a firearm, because their judgement skills aren't good enough. According to you, homosexuality is a birth defect, yet it's normal?

[pandamonium]

  like what i said before.... you dont choose to be gay . you are born gay


what about straight people ? did you choose to be straight no.atleast i kno i didnt. you were born straight.... and dont say being straight is normal or shit like that... thats how gay people are made fun of and hide their homosexuality because straight people think its regular to be straight ohh yea..

So, if you're born gay, it's a defect then. Down's Syndrome is a defect. There's a law saying that mentally retarded people can't own a firearm, because their judgement skills aren't good enough. According to you, homosexuality is a birth defect, yet it's normal?

Where in the first statement do you see me saying being homosexual is a defect? i only said its normal i dont kno where you are coming up with these words...

[*kryogenix*]

[quote=pandamonium,Nov 6 2004, 1:09 PM] [/QUOTE]QUOTE
like what i said before.... you dont choose to be gay . you are born gay


what about straight people ? did you choose to be straight no.atleast i kno i didnt. you were born straight.... and dont say being straight is normal or shit like that... thats how gay people are made fun of and hide their homosexuality because straight people think its regular to be straight ohh yea.. [/QUOTE]





Where in the first statement do you see me saying being homosexual is a defect? i only said its normal i dont kno where you are coming up with these words... [/quote]
You say you're born with it. It's detrimental. Hence it's a defect. You acknowledge this. Hence you pretty much say it's a defect. Common sense dude.

[pandamonium]

[quote=kryogenix,Nov 6 2004, 1:14 PM] QUOTE
like what i said before.... you dont choose to be gay . you are born gay


what about straight people ? did you choose to be straight no.atleast i kno i didnt. you were born straight.... and dont say being straight is normal or shit like that... thats how gay people are made fun of and hide their homosexuality because straight people think its regular to be straight ohh yea.. [/QUOTE]





Where in the first statement do you see me saying being homosexual is a defect? i only said its normal i dont kno where you are coming up with these words... [/QUOTE]
You say you're born with it. It's detrimental. Hence it's a defect. You acknowledge this. Hence you pretty much say it's a defect. Common sense dude. [/quote]
I didnt mean ,in anyway or anyhow, that being born homosexual is a defect. all i meant to say was being homosexual is normal just like being straight... you are born straight arent you? then what about the people born gay they have no choice.. they were born like that... the only reason why people think its bad cause of their religion .. if their religion states that its bad to be homosexual thats when its considered bad. like if you were a christian then probably most christians would think its bad.

And i really dont know how you got being born a homosexual is a defect out of my post..

[DaTru KataLYST]

Kryo, if you twist his words like that, it would also mean you're suggesting that being born straight is a defect. Because you were "born" being straight, right? Hey, you were born with a perfectly normal brain. You were born with it! That's a defect. Born with a perfectly working foot? Defect. Arm? Defect. Tongue? Defect.

[rushx]

Looks like a pretty heated debate.. I can see the logic of both sides of the argument.

1) Deep down, I personally don't like it. Doesn't mean I can't accept it.

2) Respect? Of course.

3) Legalization of gay marriage? From a humanistic point of view, yes I agree it should be.

I guess the thing I don't like is that some like to use it as an excuse for special treatment, and I'm not saying the majority of gay people do.

Coming from a traditional Catholic family, I couldn't see myself turning/becoming/born gay. I guess it's because the "natural" way is to be heterosexual. Being gay doesn't help you survive. From a scientific point of view of natural selection, you basically live in order to pass on your own genes to the next generation. Those with the best adaptations will survive and reproduce. Therefore homosexually isn't logical from a scientific sense.

I guess humans are different with the power of cognition and "feelings." I guess those were the circumstances and conditions that I was born into. But I've learned through being a Catholic that you shouldn't hold things against people. In the end, a human being is a human being. Religion is suppose to fit the people with the times and conditions. And, whether most of us like it or not, times are changing. Maybe religion should too. That's why religion was created wasn't it? To fit the needs of the people it governs. It doesn't mean that the traditional values need to be shifted. It doesn't need to say that the majority of people during biblical times were homosexual. In fact.. I don't think it ever mentions homosexually specifically in the Bible.. But I couldn't be wrong, so if someone finds out, then let me know.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say in the end is that it's not my niche. There are things far worse about people that we accept (i.e. killing, abuse, etc). This is a small thing about people we can learn to accept. Homosexuality doesn't entail killing or anything else. It's just.. Their position they stand in. I don't like homosexuality as a way of living, but it doesn't have to mean I need that as an excuse to not like how they live their life and the person in general. As long as they respect those around them for their positions and not hold it against them, I'm okay. Life is good.

[*kryogenix*]

[quote=pandamonium,Nov 6 2004, 1:23 PM]




Where in the first statement do you see me saying being homosexual is a defect? i only said its normal i dont kno where you are coming up with these words... [/QUOTE]
You say you're born with it. It's detrimental. Hence it's a defect. You acknowledge this. Hence you pretty much say it's a defect. Common sense dude. [/QUOTE]
I didnt mean ,in anyway or anyhow, that being born homosexual is a defect. all i meant to say was being homosexual is normal just like being straight... you are born straight arent you? then what about the people born gay they have no choice.. they were born like that... the only reason why people think its bad cause of their religion .. if their religion states that its bad to be homosexual thats when its considered bad. like if you were a christian then probably most christians would think its bad.

And i really dont know how you got being born a homosexual is a defect out of my post.. [/quote]
Have you no common sense? Read my post again. Read it 10 times even. Try to make sense out of it.

Here, I'll save you the trouble of scrolling up.

[quote=kryogenix] You say you're born with it. It's detrimental. Hence it's a defect. You acknowledge this. Hence you pretty much say it's a defect. Common sense dude.[/quote]

read it again. slowly. several times. until you understand what i'm trying to say.


[quote=atpx]  Kryo, if you twist his words like that, it would also mean you're suggesting that being born straight is a defect. Because you were "born" being straight, right? Hey, you were born with a perfectly normal brain. You were born with it! That's a defect. Born with a perfectly working foot? Defect. Arm? Defect. Tongue? Defect.[/quote]

Look at my definition of defect again. DETRIMENTAL. How is a perfectly working arm/foot/brain/tongue detrimental? How is being straight detrimental.?

Jeez, you guys really should read my posts, you don't seem to understand them too well...

Anyway.

Rushx: I feel pretty much the same way. If they don't bother me, why should I hate them? But, many of these guys are hypocrites. They like expressing their gay pride. If I started a hetero pride parade, I would be called a bigot. They tell me to be open minded, but many people i've argued with call the bible "worthless" and "a bundle of lies."

[melface]

who are we to say what is "normal"... being heterosexual is "normal" now?

[*kryogenix*]

who are we to say what is "normal"... being heterosexual is "normal" now?

in the sense that it's not detrimental to the survivability of the human race, yes, it is normal.

[melface]

What about bisexuals?

[pandamonium]

What about bisexuals?

ahaha oooo she gotcha there buddy .. lol maybe using the word detrimental one more time will help. lol

[rushx]

ahaha oooo she gotcha there buddy .. lol maybe using the word detrimental one more time will help. lol

Okay.. What about bisexuals? They're not one or the other. They are the grey area. It's not heaven but it's not hell. It's purgatory. They're not completely aiding the human race so to speak but they're not hindering it either. They are officially the grey area. From an evolutionary point of view, undecidedly useless, so to speak.

Okay okay.. I think what Kryo is trying to point out is just because they're gay doesn't mean they need act high and mighty (does not apply to all homosexuals). They are the minority. They should be protected and given the same rights. Not projected above everyone else. For example, just because I'm smart doesn't mean that I need special treatment. In the end, I think he just wants them to be humble.

[*kryogenix*]

What about bisexuals?

That's a defect as well. It's an abnormality in sex drive. They're flip flopping between hetero and homosexual.

ahaha oooo she gotcha there buddy .. lol maybe using the word detrimental one more time will help. lol

HAHAHAH, no. Your point is? How does this help the debate? Just because you can't argue your side doesn't mean you can be a jerk.

Okay okay.. I think what Kryo is trying to point out is just because they're gay doesn't mean they need act high and mighty (does not apply to all homosexuals). They are the minority. They should be protected and given the same rights. Not projected above everyone else. For example, just because I'm smart doesn't mean that I need special treatment. In the end, I think he just wants them to be humble.

Yes, that's exactly what I mean. They have some special double standard because they are the minority. Why should they be allowed to hold up traffic by marching in parades, when if I had a hetero pride parade, people would think I was bigoted?

[pandamonium]

HAHAHAH, no. Your point is? How does this help the debate? Just because you can't argue your side doesn't mean you can be a jerk.



Yes, that's exactly what I mean. They have some special double standard because they are the minority. Why should they be allowed to hold up traffic by marching in parades, when if I had a hetero pride parade, people would think I was bigoted?

lol.

2nd quote
i kno what your talking about..being straight and not having a hetero parade but i guess they just want to be heard... they want to be like everyone else and have the same rights. thats all. they dont mean to do anything wrong they are just fighting for what they believe in... just like what your doing right now.. saying what you believe in.. thats why we are in the debate forum.

[DaTru KataLYST]

Maybe when they're granted the rights a hetero person is granted, they'll stop parading for their right for human rights, eh?

[sadolakced acid]

well, kryo, there are people who get killed for being gay.

are there people who get killed for being straight?

there's a reason for the double standard.

[*kryogenix*]

well, kryo, there are people who get killed for being gay.

are there people who get killed for being straight?

there's a reason for the double standard.

they're inconveniencing the wrong people then. I don't kill gay people. But I suffer if they hold up traffic in New York. By law, they have equal rights, it's not the government's fault that people want to kill them.

  Maybe when they're granted the rights a hetero person is granted, they'll stop parading for their right for human rights, eh?

Which rights do you speak of?

[sadolakced acid]

if they apply for a parade licence, they cannot be denied it because they are gay.

if you were to deny them the parade licence, you must deny all parade licences.

which means no thanksgiving day parade. no fourth of july parade, no parades, not for anything.

[*kryogenix*]

if they apply for a parade licence, they cannot be denied it because they are gay.

if you were to deny them the parade licence, you must deny all parade licences.

which means no thanksgiving day parade. no fourth of july parade, no parades, not for anything.

when were they denied a licensce just because they were gay? i recall them marching without a licensce and getting arrested, but I don't remember them getting denied a licensce just because they were gay.

[DaTru KataLYST]

Human rights, kryo.

That all men are created equal.

[sadolakced acid]

exactly. they were arrested because they didn't have a licence. so would have anyone.

you complain, but they were arrested for it. what's to complain about?

[rushx]

Okay.. Everyone agrees that they should get equal rights even Kryo. I agree to that too. What the issue is about is marriage, not love. They have all the right in the world to love one another. That's a natural, human right and so that isn't the problem is it? The problem is the government recognizing the union of a homosexual marriage for the purpose of providing the benefits of being married.

So basically, there can be no law saying that they can't love one another or even be together.

I don't understand what demonstrations and parades have to do with this debate? I guess it just goes to say that if you go through the right channels, then there is no reason to be angry at them. I hold up a bank and rob it. So? I get arrested and they complain and suffer. That's just the way things are. You do something wrong, you get punished. I guess what everyone else is trying to say is that they are just fighting for what they believe in, which is perfectly. And I guess the point Kryo is trying to make that their cause shouldn't be at the expense of other people. Do it properly and no one has to complain about anything.

Religion has no place in a discussion like this that applies to a wide variety of people. Religion if only effective on an individual basis for the benefit of the person. Period. (General statement.)

[eli5e]

i truly believe that it is wrong... mostly because of my religious beliefs..

[sammi rules you]

they're inconveniencing the wrong people then. I don't kill gay people. But I suffer if they hold up traffic in New York. By law, they have equal rights, it's not the government's fault that people want to kill them.

they're just trying to get people to think about giving them the same treatment they would a straight person. they don't want to be discriminated against.

[sadolakced acid]

and why not civil unions?


civil unions, where they get all they benifits a married couple would get?
marriage would still be between a man and a woman

[sammi rules you]

and why not civil unions? 


civil unions, where they get all they benifits a married couple would get? 
marriage would still be between a man and a woman

they want to be able to be married. that's a right. if they're not allowed to get married, it is NOT the same rights as married couples. a benefit they would recieve is knowing that they can legally show their love for eachother with a marraige.

[melface]

  Maybe when they're granted the rights a hetero person is granted, they'll stop parading for their right for human rights, eh?


Which rights do you speak of?

equal rights other people who are straight have, maybe? you say which rights... which other rights do they not have?


I would join in a gay parade even if i weren't gay.... why? because i support them and also believe they should be treated as an equal.

[miss barnes]

I'm not totally against homosexual, but I'm not supportive either.



I think probably not. Everyone has their own choice and I respect them.



Erm... I think no (sorry)

i pretty much agree with that ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[melface]

Okay... All these people who are against gay marriages.. Let's just pretend that you were denied a right everyone else of a different group still maintained... Let's say... All people who have brown eyes may not eat in a public restaurant... And that included you... How would you feel about this? Or let's say all people with brown eyes are not allowed to buy a car.. or even get married.... !! [gasp]