George W Bush, Like or Hate Options

[*hcosurfkid*]

I think George W bush is not a good president.. i aint into this whole republi thing, but i think he is gay, putten us through all this stuff..

[AznKutie]

NO COMMENT

[gerundio]

Who is George Bush?

[xbladeoffire90x]

I actually think he's ok. But that wasn't a choice so I just said I love him...I don't hate him...but I don't love him lol

[karrar]

like i said b4 i dont have probs with him ..........i just think his choice to rush into iraq wtih out a plan for peace was very foolish...........

[*kryogenix*]

I think George W bush is not a good president.. i aint into this whole republi thing, but i think he is gay, putten us through all this stuff..

Gay? You think it was him who put us through 9/11(Al Qaeda)? You think it was him who put us in the recession (Clinton did)?

[ComradeRed]

Nobody "put us in" the recession. Recessions happen -- just like expansions do. It's an economic fact.

[sikdragon]

Clinton did ruined the economy.
Bush has done a great job with the economy. It has been 20 years since the economic growth has been as high as it is now. 1.1 million jobs were created since last september. the maufacturing employment index hasnt been as high as it is now since 1987. The current home ownership rate is 68%.< that is more than any point in american history. Stockmarket investors gained more than 2.5 trillion dollars just this last year.
Bush has kept us alive throughout the whole war. <thats a good thing.
Bush has moral back bone.<doesnt bend his views to gain votes. which is a good thing.

[ComradeRed]

No, it's been five years since eocnomic growth has been as high as it was now.

Bush "doesn't bend his views to gain votes"? HAHAHAHA!!!

In 2000, Bush was:

- AGAINST Nation-Building and Warlike Foreign Policy
- AGAINST Increasing Government Spending
- AGAINST Affirmative Action
- AGAINST Federal Involvement in Education and Healthcare
- AGAINST Amnesty for Illegal Immigrants (I am actually for this)
- AGAINST More Gun Control

In 2004, Bush is:

- FOR Nation-Building and Aggressive Foreign Policy
- FOR Increased Government Spending (on a deficit, at that)
- FOR Affirmative Action
- FOR Federal Involvement in Education and Healthcare
- FOR Amnesty for Illegal Immigrants (just to appease Hispanic voters, who could make the difference in Florida, etc.)
- FOR More Gun Control (including an assault weapons ban)

He's flipped flopped just as much as Kerry has -- and on bigger issues.

[sikdragon]

The economy has grown 5.5% in the last nine months. it hasnt expierienced growth that strong in 20 years.

you do realize that times have changed and according to intel that was delivered to the white house, the iminent threat was growing.

and i said bend to gain votes. If anything doing what he has done has lost votes, anyone could have predicted that.

Bush isnt for affirmative action.
"If you're asking me, am I for quotas, the answer is absolutely not. Quotas don't work. Quotas pit people against each other. Quotas aren't right in our society. "-Bush

He hasn't flip-flopped.

Didn't have the military so like the russians they built rockets only they dont have rockets so they created biological weapons which were tested on kuwait. We are still alive and thriving.

[x0xcrzybabyx0x]

ugh.. no one will ever know just how much i strongly HATE that man.. i cant wait untill hes out of office.. so yea sure the economy has grown.. great, and im pretty sure that the same thing could have happened with anyone in office be it gore, or bush.. so if thats the greatest thing hes done.. that is really sad.. reallllllly sad..
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[sikdragon]

no it's not the greatest he has done. and no gore couldnt have done that, he wouldve given himself a heart attack when 9/11 happened searching for his camo lock box.

but i have a question for you. Is it somehow feesible that your animosity toward the president is completely unfounded by anything but your own need to hate?

[TR4N2]

.... no comment.

[gerundio]

but i have a question for you. Is it somehow feesible that your animosity toward the president is completely unfounded by anything but your own need to hate?

The animosity is unfounded? Bush is a ding dong moron and Cheney is a ding dong wacko. Bush is anti-gay and anti-everybody who is not American. Wow, Bush kept the US alive in the war. Last time I checked the war was in the Middle East and not in North America. And btw, he hasn't kept many Americans alive in the war, he just sent them to an early death.

He and his friends flat out lied to the whole nation. I think that is reason enough to dislike him.

[lyin_in_wait]

he did what he had to do reguardless of what others think, and my opinino is that ppl always say he put us through this, u dont believe u have the right to say anything about that subject unless you or one of your family members are in the military and until then keep yo mouth shut

[ComradeRed]

you do realize that times have changed and according to intel that was delivered to the white house, the iminent threat was growing.

So it's okay for BUSH to change his ideas when times change, but not okay for Kerry? Even if your METHODS change over time, a man of integrity never changes his PRINCIPLES. Bush has.

Even if, taking your argument, there WAS an imminent threat... if Bush had integrity, he would hired someone to assassinate Hussein or destroy their weapons. However, he sent troops into Iraq and began creating a REGIME CHANGE -- i.e. Nation-Building. He has begun valuaing Iraq over America ... he has abandoned his principles.

And what does an imminent threat have to do with, say... affirmative action? Is Saddam going to send agents to go to our public schools? Or gun control? Do the Iraqis buy their guns from the NYPD (they probably do, nvm).

and i said bend to gain votes. If anything doing what he has done has lost votes, anyone could have predicted that.

Bush supports affirmative action and illegal immigrant amnesty for one reason only: The Hispanic vote.

Bush isnt for affirmative action.
"If you're asking me, am I for quotas, the answer is absolutely not. Quotas don't work. Quotas pit people against each other. Quotas aren't right in our society. "-Bush

Yes... in that SAME ARTICLE, he says that WHILE he is against Quotas, he is FOR flexible affirmative action.

"We should not be satisfied with the current numbers of minorities on Americans college campuses. Much progress has been made; much more is needed. University officials have the responsibility and the obligation to make a serious, effective effort to reach out to students from all walks of life"
--Bush

"I support colleges affirmatively taking action to get more minorities in their school.... I support diversity."
--Bush

"Bush also said he agrees with last year's Supreme Court ruling that struck down the University of Michigan's admission plan -- but said race can be a factor. He says colleges should "strive for diversity."
--Chicago Network

Who is FOR quotas? Quotas have been illegal since the 70s.

He hasn't flip-flopped.

Didn't have the military so like the russians they built rockets only they dont have rockets so they created biological weapons which were tested on kuwait. We are still alive and thriving.

Of course we are still alive. Iraq posed no threat to our mainland.

The only "Americans" threatened by Hussein were our troops in Saudi Arabia, and they shouldn't have been ther in the first place.

[*CrackedRearView*]

Comrade -- I think I know you're an intelligent person.

Intelligent person to intelligent person, you don't honestly think Kerry would be better for our foreign policy, do you? He doesn't even know where he stands, and shouldn't flaunt about how much better off our economy would be if he presided, for the simple fact that it's in a cycle of its own doing.

Economies climb, and drop, climb, and drop. It's a never ending cycle that seems to be always pinned on whatever commander-in-chief sits in the Oval Office at that specific time (usually a Republican).

[ryfitaDF]

He's flipped flopped just as much as Kerry has -- and on bigger issues.

He hasn't flip-flopped.

i <3 how flip-flop is becoming such a well known term in politics.

[ComradeRed]

Comrade -- I think I know you're an intelligent person.

Intelligent person to intelligent person, you don't honestly think Kerry would be better for our foreign policy, do you? He doesn't even know where he stands, and shouldn't flaunt about how much better off our economy would be if he presided, for the simple fact that it's in a cycle of its own doing.

Economies climb, and drop, climb, and drop. It's a never ending cycle that seems to be always pinned on whatever commander-in-chief sits in the Oval Office at that specific time (usually a Republican).

I think that Kerry and Bush would be equally bad for foreign policy ... after all, Bush has gotten us INTO this mess in the first place. Who knows what he would do for the second term?

I'm don't like Kerry ... but voting for the lesser of two evils is still supporting evil.

[*kryogenix*]

i <3 how flip-flop is becoming such a well known term in politics.

thank john kerry for that.

[ComradeRed]

Actually, Karl Rove is the first person who started USING the term.

Does Kerry call himself a flip-flopper?

[MeanBastard]

Hes great, he held one of the best wars i've ever heard casualty wise.

[WhiteLotus*]

Clinton did ruined the economy.
Bush has done a great job with the economy. It has been 20 years since the economic growth has been as high as it is now. 1.1 million jobs were created since last september. the maufacturing employment index hasnt been as high as it is now since 1987. The current home ownership rate is 68%.< that is more than any point in american history. Stockmarket investors gained more than 2.5 trillion dollars just this last year.
Bush has kept us alive throughout the whole war. <thats a good thing.
Bush has moral back bone.<doesnt bend his views to gain votes. which is a good thing.

Thanks! Thats why i like him. The economic growth and he gave back tax refunds.

[ReBeL_BlOoD]

Since were on my favorite subject, I'll join in....

Want to talk Bush's "great" economic growth? Ok, we shall...

First off, the economy isnt just the stock market. Its not based upon how many green and red arrows you see on the Nightly News. Anything that cost anything is apart of the economy. Transportation, food, infastructure, its all apart of it. Now, when Clinton left office the economy was at a record surplus. (115 billion) Our "wonderful" President has turned that into a record defict, not once but two years in a row. (445 billion)

When bush took office the economy fell of a cliff. Sound weird? It should, considering republicans normally boost the economy becuase they tend to play to big buisness. The first Bush new what he was talking about. He got A's at yale, but his son went to the same school and passed with C's. Had it not been for Senior, he wouldnt have been Governor of Texas. Hes not a wise as his dad, and wont be.

You say an unforseen attack is to blame, and it is. Maybe we should have done something to stop it, Lord knows we could have, but I wont get into that today.

But as for the WMD in Iraq. There were none. We found a little guy, in a little hole. We had enough time to find warheads.

Lets instead talk about jobs, or lack there of. We'll oversee the fact that jobs are being exported to other countrys where there is no minimum wage, and anyone will take a job to try and keep food on the table. I'll skip past the 243,000 projected new jobs while only 32,000 were actually created. I'll just emphisize the fact that We now have the highest unemployment rate since the great depression

"Back in 2000, a Republican friend of mine warned me that if I voted for Al Gore and he won, the stock market would tank, we'd lose millions of jobs, and our military would be totally overstretched. You know what? I did vote for Al Gore, he did win, and I'll be damned if all those things didn't come true." -James Carville, Democratic strategist

Still love Dubya?

[*kryogenix*]

Actually, Karl Rove is the first person who started USING the term.

Does Kerry call himself a flip-flopper?

No, he's the reason why the term is used. What an inspiration.

rebel,
The recession started with Clinton. It started in November of 2000, before Bush was inaugurated. Don't forget that 9/11 wasn't the best economy booster either.

I'll admit that I like Sr. more than I like Jr. , but I like Jr. more than Kerry.

As for outsourcing: I'm not real sure about it (i want to be a computer programmer), but in its defense, we live in a global economy now, and if someone else is threatening to take your job, you have to prove that you can do the job for less money, or you can do the job better than the other guy can. Since you can't do it for less money, you just have to do a better job than the guys in other countries.

WMDs. They haven't been found yet. But is it fair to call Bush a liar when the search isn't over yet?

As for the unemployment rate, again, Clinton left us in the recession and 9/11 caused a lot of trouble for the economy. (how many people were too scared to fly?)

[ComradeRed]

The recession started in MARCH of 2000, not November. But it's not accureate to say that it was cauesd by Clinton -- recessions and expansions are rarely caused by a President. Most Presidents presided over both an expansion AND a recession (Reagan, Clinton, Carter, etc.)

I'll admit that Senior was a total moron, even more so than Junior. "We're already facing a huge budget crisis, so why don't we spend even MORE money to send troops to fight an internal Mid-East War, and then raise taxes going directly against our campaign promises, all the while increasing social spending, especially medicare, to create an even bigger deficit!"

I will proudly say that I would've voted for Ross Perot in 1992, and again in 1996 (Well, maybe Harry Browne in 1996, but I didn't like Andre Marrou).

In terms of financial management, there's just something wrong with the Bushes. Reagan and Clinton both kept the budget balanced (There wasn't a 'surplus' under Clinton -- the way they calculate a budget 'surplus' involves ten-year projections ... but under Clinton and Reagan the deficit grew MUCH slower than under the Bushes). Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. just totally screwed up. And to try to cover up their screwing up, they both decided to mount expensive military operations in the Middle East. Remember that Reagan pulled US troops OUT of Mid-East ... withdrawing from Beirut and lowering the amount of troops in Saudi Arabia -- as a result, we suffered NO terrorist attacks during his watch. On the other hand, Bush Sr., Clinton, and Bush Jr. all raised American military presence in the Mid-East -- as a result, we've been hit by terrorirsts every few years.

WMDs: They haven't been found yet. That's like saying, "We killed someone because we had reason to believe that he committed a crime -- but we haven't found any evidence yet." Bush decided to do something controversial -- thus, the burden of proof ought to fall on him and him alone. Since he hasn't met the burden of proof, it is in fact fair to call him a liar.

[ryfitaDF]

Actually, Karl Rove is the first person who started USING the term.

Does Kerry call himself a flip-flopper?

s***, son, did you watch the convention last night? all them old, fogey republicans chanting "flip-flop" waving their hands in the air? i almost suffocated i was laughing so hard! goood times.

[ComradeRed]

I boycotted both conventions ...

They're just wasting millions of dollars of tax monies and disrupting traffic to have some big frat party. We all know who they are nominating already.

I was in Boston on four separate occasions between May and July. In three of them, I've had a local person complain to me about the DNC and how it was going to screw up Boston's day-to-day activities.

I bet they feel the same way about the RNC in New York City, but I don't even bother trying to get into NYC unless I absolutely have to.

[sweetdreamsx3]

I'm neutral. The only thing I don't like about Bush is that he wants to ban gay marriage when I find nothing wrong with it.

Good because well since the 9/11 attack, he's done everything that he can to help us. All the wars and everything. He handles it sorta well, I guess.

But I'm inbetween whether I like him or nor.

[*kryogenix*]

I boycotted both conventions ...

They're just wasting millions of dollars of tax monies and disrupting traffic to have some big frat party. We all know who they are nominating already.

I was in Boston on four separate occasions between May and July. In three of them, I've had a local person complain to me about the DNC and how it was going to screw up Boston's day-to-day activities.

I bet they feel the same way about the RNC in New York City, but I don't even bother trying to get into NYC unless I absolutely have to.

I've been to NYC twice to pick up my mom from work twice during the RNC. It seems that the protesters are causing more trouble than the convention.

[ComradeRed]

Even if there were no protestors, the security would still be there -- it was already paid for. All the traffic checkpoints and all would still be there.

Boston was completely blocked off from Fleet Street across Downtown to basically the stop off the Highway from Providence, RI. Now Boston is DEMOCRATS having their convention is a very DEMOCRATIC city.

The RNC is REPUBLICANS having their convention in a very DEMOCRATIC city. The RNC security was no doubt tighter than the DNC -- and New York is harder to get into than Boston in the first place... I don't even want to imagine the traffic.

[fallenang3l211]

i'm very impartial right now. i was initially gong to vote for kerry, but after the rnc, i think i might actually vote for bush. thats like a death wish for me since i'm from california, lol

[xquizit]

Gay? You think it was him who put us through 9/11(Al Qaeda)? You think it was him who put us in the recession (Clinton did)?

THANK YOU! I hate it when people make such ignorant statements that it's his fault that 9/11 happenned or that the economy was bad.

[XxXxPeAcHeSxXxX]

i like bush. i dunno why tho. i just think he looks more like a president than john kerry.. lol. he [kerry] is only 35% basset hound ya kno..

[edit]
oh roxanne you're so right.. i love you. lol

[*tweeak*]

well im not fond of him, but i dont adamently hate him either.

[sammi rules you]

i don't really know much about politics, but i hate him for his accent. it's southern. it annoys me.

[JessJR1022]

but i have a question for you. Is it somehow feesible that your animosity toward the president is completely unfounded by anything but your own need to hate?

no it's unambiguously feasible that my animosity towards our bone head presidents actions facilitate my HATRED of George W. Bush.


point of advie if you are going to use big words... SPELL THEM CORRECTLY

[Levy2k6]

Bush is pretty cool... i live in texas... if i could vote, i'd go for bush.

[*kryogenix*]

no it's unambiguously feasible that my animosity towards our bone head presidents actions facilitate my HATRED of George W. Bush.


point of advie if you are going to use big words... SPELL THEM CORRECTLY

you forgot the apostrophe in "president's." unless, of course, you are calling every single president a bone head.

[*corizzle20*]

george bush sucks

[*Kathleen*]

george bush sucks

This is the debate forum. Why don't you give us some of your reasons as to why you think he does?

[ComradeRed]

In 2004, Bush will be the first non-Jewish Republican presidential candidate to NOT get a majority of the Arab vote. Arab-Americans have voted Republican in every election since 1968. This is taking into account that 75% of Arabs voted for Bush in 2000, compared to only 20% for Gore (2 Nader, 2 Buchanan, 1 Other).

Polling this time around shows that Bush's support among Arabs has dropped to only 20%. (55% to Kerry, 12% to Badnarik, 4% to Nader, 9% Undecided -- this also makes Arabs the most Libertarian ethnic group). Assuming that Bush gets half the undecided votes will give Bush only 25% of the Arab vote -- even Barry Goldwater in 1964 got a higher percentage than that, and he was Jewish.

[*CrackedRearView*]

This is the debate forum. Why don't you give us some of your reasons as to why you think he does?

Kathleen...

FIERCE.