Homeless ppl, feel bad for them? Options

[mouse_3k]

ok I am watching America's Most Wanted and there was this story about this gang tht would take homeless ppl and make them slaves, making them sell drugs 24/7 and if they thought the homeless ppl didnt work hard enough, they would kill them. they did this re-inactment about it and it showed this poor old homeless guy begging the gang for food and the gang thru chinese food at him and the homeless guy would eat the scraps. i get so sad when things like this happen to the homeless cause they are so harmless and real needy (not a bad thing). I feel sooo bad now after i saw tht re-inactment. I cant even go to DC cause there are homeless ppl and i just will feel so bad for them. I always bring like $10 when i do go to DC so i could get the homeless some food or something.

is there NE one else tht feel bad for the homeless? i hear alot of ppl hate them cause they think all homeless are drunkies and druggies and all..

[inthemudhole]

I feel really bad for them.
Some of them choose that lifestyle, and I personally think that's cool of them.. to give up so much to have a really awful lifestyle (in my opinion).

I do feel bad for them, though.

[heyyfrankie]

That is really sad. it is terrible that people would even think about taking advantage of homeless people. damn them! i sometimes feel sorry for homeless people but then i think if i ever met one and was like, "i feel sorry for you." they would be like, "don't feel sorry for me, i don't need anyone's help." but yeah...that is really sad. we don't have alot of homeless people in the part of texas that i live in. but downtown, we have alot of homeless shelters that help people like that.

[StarryEyedSurpri...]

well i feel sorry for the ones that have no reason to be homeless.. but i dont feel sorry for the ones who just spend their money on alcohol or drugs..

[Rice_on_my_shoe]

no Not Really. isn't it their Fault they're on the streets? If they were Born Poor than I'll Feel Sorry for them. And Druggies?? HELL NO! It's Their Own Fault they got into that crap.

[silver-rain]

yeah, i feel sorry for them sometimes. but i feel bad if they ask me for money, and i don't give it to them, so i just try to ignore them.

[jUz_cAnDy]

i feel sorry for the old ones and the little ones... but those homeless people who are capable to work... not really... i think they should find work.

[slurp]

yeah its really sad to see the condition the homeless people are in and makes you feel grateful for what you have and to appreciate it

[dani41790]

yea i feel bad for some homeless pplz but not the ones who got themselves homeless frm buying so many drugs and alcohol

[xbladeoffire90x]

Yeah I feel sorry for all of them. The druggies & drunk need help, SERIOUS help, but they have no money or no one who cares enough to help them. The rest. Yeah.

[aznriceboi]

yes i feel bad for homeless people. we had a debate in my class about whos fault is it taht homeless people are homeless. its both the homeless fault and the goverments fault. if you used your money on drugs and **** then its your fault you became homeless. its the govements fault because the make it so hard on they people to pay taxes and raising the prices on ever thing.

[leeeza702]

I feel bad for SOME homeless people... because sometimes homeless people come up to my boyfriend and I asking for a cigarette and stuff.. I feel bad for those homeless people that actually try to 'make' their money.. like when they say they will wash your windshield or whatever... I mean, at least you know they will 'work' for the money... but I never let them do it, I just give them the money... there are a lot of 'homeless' people here in Vegas, and sometimes in school, I hear stories of how most of the people that are on the corners of the streets with the little cardboard signs asking for money.. aren't really homeless or whatever.. and that that's what they do for a living or whatever... so, eh

[sweetdreamsx3]

oOOh! I just saw that on TV!!!! And well I feel sorry that they would have to do that to the homeless person. >.<

Then again, they can always just like...pick themselves right up and get a job instead of sitting there like a homeless person..you know?

[aznriceboi]

oOOh! I just saw that on TV!!!! And well I feel sorry that they would have to do that to the homeless person. >.<

Then again, they can always just like...pick themselves right up and get a job instead of sitting there like a homeless person..you know?

its hard for them to do that though because of what they've been though. if you look at it, most big name companies and stores wouldn't hire you if they knew you were homeless. that goes to show you how, hard it is just for them to try to make a living

[melmigs]

its hard for them to do that though because of what they've been though. if you look at it, most big name companies and stores wouldn't hire you if they knew you were homeless. that goes to show you how, hard it is just for them to try to make a living

I aggree with you 100%. There aren't too many homeless people where I live, but when I go into the city, there are tons.

EDIT: 200th post.

[pikimoo]

Yeh.. there was this little old lady, always selling flowers and shaking her little cup for donations. I don't think she could even talk. I always wanted to just buy all those beautiful flowers and give them out.. and then fill her little cup with money. Unfortunately, I was 9 and broke.


Then there was the huge smelly guy yelling and cursing at me to get off is 'property'. Which happened to be a sidewalk in the middle of the promenade in santa monica.

[Luster Soldier]

It depends on the reason why they're homeless. If it's drugs, smoke and alchohol, then I won't care.

[angel-roh]

omg that's sooo wrong!!! those ppls are bunch of losers!! omg :angry: i hate that!!! i cant believe they did that to the homeless ppls!! dammit use them as a slave? oooh i wana get my hands on them... are they now in the prison, right? anyways yes i do care for the homeless persons... they are humans too u know. and also brothers & sisters in Christ^^

[pikimoo]

omg i feel lik i just want to give a billion dollars to homeless people ... lik the other day i was driving down the 'dangeruous' part of the town and i was looking around and i saw a homeless OLD couple and they were sitting under a bridge just doing nothing ..... i felt sooooo bad,, espically for old people in general i wish my grandma still lived with me, but now she wants to spend the rest of her live in the philipines,,,,,

I agree. My grandma is also leaving for the philippines...

[inlonelinessidie]

Yeah people can be so mean and ignorant.

[rx_azngirl]

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[LeSLiE]

umm honestly, i really don't feel bad for homeless people... i mean like it was their fault if they got a bad education or they didn't go to school or whatever..i dont know maybe i'm wrong but thats my opinion

[inthemudhole]

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Mmm-kay, don't spam. Kthnx.

[IIO__oII]

aww thats so sad. :[
YES I FEEL SO SORRY FOR EM. =[

[LilPiggi3]

Yes i feel bad for REAL homeless people, but as for the drunkies and turn themselves to homeless then NO. I saw this man in toronto he lost the bottom half of his 2 arms and his whole 2 legs. He could play one of those intrument that kinda looks like a piano. NOW thats someone who I admire, he is practivally disable and is still able to make a living with what he has left.

[NiKECHiQ]

that story so sad !

but for homeless people... i dont always feel sorry for them i always think get a effing job ! that`s why you have a body for .... lol

[mouse_3k]

omg that's sooo wrong!!! those ppls are bunch of losers!! omg :angry: i hate that!!! i cant believe they did that to the homeless ppls!! dammit use them as a slave? oooh i wana get my hands on them... are they now in the prison, right? anyways yes i do care for the homeless persons... they are humans too u know. and also brothers & sisters in Christ^^

sadly the gang isnt in jail..ugh i wanna find them ad put them in jail so bad

hope they keep posting the gang on America's Most Wanted

[shawty_redd]

i feel bad for them but i mean what can i do. im just one person.

my mom and i saw this really poor guy so we gave him some money and now whenever we go past where he "lives" he always expects us to give him money. see now hes dependent on us.

[DrEaMgUy2K1]

yea i feel bad for them, but sometimes they are kinda annoying......some of them still "normal" i bet they could get a job... but eh i do feel bad for them... But wuts really annoying is when they waste the money u give them on beer.... the other day i saw a homeless guy buy a lotto ticket...... how the fudge is he gonna know the winning numbers? NO TV!! ... yea some people still have the option to work but dont =/ iono

[EddieV]

depends on the reason why they are homeless, because they dont have to be homeless, they can get a job at mcdonalds or sumthing and like rent an apartment,but sum i do feel sorry for...

[WhiteLotus*]

I'm sorta scared of them...0.0

[Mick3Y]

I feel sad for them, but sometimes i think they deserve it. You know gamblers? They spent all their money in gambling. They even treat bad with their family. For gamblers, they deserve it!

- Tran -

[PinoyOtaku]

I do feel sorry for them, but to an extent. There could be the reasons why he/she is homeless due to factors that dosen't make them fit for working (seriously bad attitude, can't work with other people, that kind of stuff...) and/or he/she blown their money/opportunity on booze or gambling.

[ComradeRed]

We spend over $20,000 per poor person on welfare each year. In addition, states spend their own welfare money -- this adds up to $38,000 per poor person in Hawaii -- more than the average American makes by working. Somehow, it's hard to feel sorry for them.

In the long run, our bread-and-circuses welfare system will collapse and bring the rest of society down with it. Then we will be overrun by Goths and other barbarians, possibly Huns (after Schroeder gets his act together).

But for now, work harder, slaves!! Millions on welfare depend on you!!

[seriouslynikki]

well i feel sorry for the ones that have no reason to be homeless.. but i dont feel sorry for the ones who just spend their money on alcohol or drugs..

ditto. Some homeless ppl got homeless because they quited school and they left their family. Those homeless people are the kinds that just spend the money you give to drugs.
The ones i feel bad for are the ones that are homeless because they dont have alotmoney to buy food...like the ones in Philippines. They live over a water and they have to catch fish to eat food. Those are the ones i feel for.

[laur3nw]

well i feel sorry for the ones that have no reason to be homeless.. but i dont feel sorry for the ones who just spend their money on alcohol or drugs..

yeah me too

sometimes i see homless people on the streets smoking and asking for money..im just like -___-

[imm]

I feel bad for the ones who were helpless and ended up that way. I am willing to help them in any way possible. The ones who chose that lifestyle [drugs etc.] I don't feel bad for.

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well i feel sorry for the ones that have no reason to be homeless.. but i dont feel sorry for the ones who just spend their money on alcohol or drugs..


haha oops I didn't see that quote.

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[F1R3B4T]

yeh i fully understand ur point of view but den again think about WHY they are homeless??? thers 2 types of homeless... 1) wife gets ticked off /// wins the lottery; kicks husband out of house......... 2) spent all their money sold all their property n belongings jus to get sum drugs, well its their fault for gettin hooked in the first place.
ppl get wut im sayin?

[ComradeRed]

Doesn't the husband have assets? Your spouse can't just kick you out of the house if the house is jointly-owned. If that happened, sue her ass off!

99% of homeless people it's their own fault -- The government gives the poor SO MUCH MONEY, that even if you are blind and only have one leg, you still should be able to get your own place. And even if that isn't enough, we have private-sector socialism (more often referred to as "charity") here as well:

- Soup kitchens offering a free hot meal active every day of the week
- If a poor person's kid gets into Harvard (I know two of them), he gets a full ride through school, full room and board, AND a monthly stiped. Plus it's actually EASIER for poor people to get into Harvard because of affirmative action.
- Poor people can get thousands of dollars in direct aid, ON TOP OF the tens of thousands in public aid they already get

Etc...

It's called Bread-and-Circuses ... this idea that, since the poor can vote, you should give them free stuff so they vote for you, dates back to Ancient Rome, with free food (bread) and gladiator games (circuses) -- today we just give them food stamps and MTV instead ... but they even get free healthcare, which most Americans don't. So I guess Bread-Doctors-and-Video Circuses.

[xnastyninjagrlx]

That story is awful! I do feel sorrie for some of the homeless people, but most of the homeless people still have arms and legs and they could at least try to get a job than to live a life like that

[*CrackedRearView*]

Not at all --

My brother has been the victim of three different types of Affirmative Action...

1) Gender
2) Race
3) Monetary status...

Just because we're an intact, well-off white family of 3 brothers, we'll all get screwed when we go to apply to those bleeding heart admissions bastards.

I don't feel sorry for them at all. It really isn't that hard to find a way to make money...

[ComradeRed]

There is no gender affirmative action at colleges. That only happens in traditionally male jobs, such as police and firefighting.

You forgot another kind of affirmative action though: Geographical. Your profile says you live in Missouri. So chances are, Washington University would rather have someone from Vermont attend than their own state -- they want diversity.

Also, although affirmative action IS responsible for many people like you getting rejected at places you want, you shouldn't blame it. The victim-mentality achieves nothing. You should work to improve your credentials above the pool, THEN work to abolish affirmative action.

The reason African-Americans today, as group are unsucessful, is BECAUSE of the victim mentality ("White people are racist against us. We have to stop racism before we can succeed.") NO! You have to SUCCEED before you can STOP RACISM. The same deal exists with affirmative action.

[*kryogenix*]

Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime.

When I see a homeless person, I point towards the nearest Help Wanted sign.

[gerundio]

Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime.

When I see a homeless person, I point towards the nearest Help Wanted sign.

Then you are being insensitive and unrealistic, because many of these homeless people DO have jobs. Many homeless people are only homeless for a few months because of a raise in rent or a cut in a salary, etc.

[ComradeRed]

Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime.

When I see a homeless person, I point towards the nearest Help Wanted sign.

Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime. But require a man to catch at least a certain amount of fish or he can't have any fish at all, and he starves.

Many of the homeless can't get jobs. The reason? Minimum wage.

[mzteriouzme007]

taht's sad... but weeird

[sikdragon]

thats good business, hiring the cheapest possible workers to make tons of money. but the homeless didnt get that way without making the decision to be homeless whether directly or not. Many homeless people get to be homeless because of drug addictions or gambling. Still others were plunged into the homeless life style by another person who takes advantage of them. feeling sorry for homeless people wont get them a warm meal. Offering them a job will. If they refuse and choose to stay homeless that is when they should be arrested and deported to live with their own people in a third world country.

[sikdragon]

minimum wage is 6.25 an hour last i checked that is still pretty good. they should take their earnings get a hobo pack on the end of a stick, a can of beans and a pocketful of dreams. On the open road is the best place to be.

[ComradeRed]

Most homeless don't have $6.25 an hour worth of skilsl though ... forcing businesses to hire at that rate means many of them won't be employed. We should abolish the minimum wage to help the poor.

[*CrackedRearView*]

You should work to improve your credentials above the pool, THEN work to abolish affirmative action.

Well, I scored a 4 on the European History AP exam, a 5 on the US History AP exam, a 5 on my English 11 AP exam, a 5 on my Psychology AP exam, and I plan on earning 5's in English 12, Physics, and Government AP exams.

I scored 1480 on my SAT I, and I plan on bumping that up above 1500 this year.

I'm involved in the school newspaper, basketball, tennis, debate/forensics, and I'm the class president, and ranked #3.

Anything else I can do to bump those credentials up? Okay then, now what to do about affirmative action?

[gerundio]

Okay then, now what to do about affirmative action?

You do absolutely nothing because affirmative action is just fine as it is.

[*CrackedRearView*]

You do absolutely nothing because affirmative action is just fine as it is.

Excuse me?

That's like saying credentials don't mean sh*t anymore as long as you have black skin or a small bank account.

You have got to be kidding me.

[gerundio]

Excuse me?

That's like saying credentials don't mean sh*t anymore as long as you have black skin or a small bank account.

You have got to be kidding me.

No you don't have to black. You can be white. But just make sure you're hispanic.

Anyway. Affirmative action:

[ComradeRed]

Well, I scored a 4 on the European History AP exam, a 5 on the US History AP exam, a 5 on my English 11 AP exam, a 5 on my Psychology AP exam, and I plan on earning 5's in English 12, Physics, and Government AP exams.

I scored 1480 on my SAT I, and I plan on bumping that up above 1500 this year.

I'm involved in the school newspaper, basketball, tennis, debate/forensics, and I'm the class president, and ranked #3.

Anything else I can do to bump those credentials up? Okay then, now what to do about affirmative action?

How are your SAT IIs? I know one kid from my entire county that was admitted to Yale this year -- and he had SIX perfect SAT IIs, and a 1600. Do you really show a LOVE for learning? Over 80% of Ivy League students nowadays have attended university-level summer programs at least one year (I've attended for three). That's the most important thing to most colleges -- they want to see that you are passionate about what you do. Teacher recommendations, etc.

Affirmative action is rapidly losing public support ... by showing that non-affirmative action people graduate at the TOP of their college classes, while affirmative action people graduate at the bottom (or drop out), it becomes obvious that affirmative action hurts those its supposed to help.

It's better to be Valedictorian at Penn State than ranked in the bottom 10% at Yale.

[*CrackedRearView*]

No you don't have to black. You can be white. But just make sure you're hispanic.

Anyway. Affirmative action:

And affirmative action is good because...?

It's better to be Valedictorian at Penn State than ranked in the bottom 10% at Yale.

Quite true, and good point.

[gerundio]

And affirmative action is good because...?

Because it ensures that there is diversity in schools.

A homogenous school is a boring one.

[*CrackedRearView*]

Because it ensures that there is diversity in schools.

No, it ensures that credentials are less considered next to race, social status, sexual preference, etc.

In a nutshell, it screws over the people that deserve to be there, and helps those that don't. No matter what race, gender, sexual preference you claim, as long as you're worthy to be attending Harvard Law, I applaud you.

But if you weaseled your way into a prestigious school with something so petty as sexual preference as your ticket, you disgust me.

[Levy2k6]

talking about the homeless... Homeless to Harvard is on.. its an okay movie but eh, ill watch it... after that...

some homeless may have a good life.. some dont. it happens.

[ComradeRed]

Because it ensures that there is diversity in schools.

A homogenous school is a boring one.

And an overly diverse school is a politically correct and censored one, where it becomes VERY difficult for people to actually discuss ideas.

Brown is the most diverse of the Ivies. They have the strongest affirmative action program. Once, a student published an editorial in the school daily newspaper that was against slave reparations. So severla minority groups decided to steal many copies of hte paper and throw them into Providence Bay. In that case, having too much diversity hurt the school by silencing dissenting opinion.

The REAL goal of diversity is to bring a diversity of ideas to campus. Being a different race DOES NOT MEAN you have different ideas, or will contribute more to diversity. After all, what is a "black" opinion on the Fundamental Theroem of Calculus as opposed to a "white" opinion?

Because teh goal is to have many different ideas floating around, this goal is COMPLETELY destroyed by political correctness and campus speech codes -- which are lobbyied for mostly be affirmative action students, many of whom have a hard time tolerating other people disagreeing with them (the student at Brown who wrote the anti-slave reparations article was officially labelled a racist by many student organizations, even though very few sane people outside of Brown support slave reparations [and even if there were reparations, they would come out to less than $100 per person, as I have demonstrated mathematically in another thread]). You also have to remember that students admitted on affirmative action tend NOT to have as many intellectual experiences as their colleagues (if they did, they wouldn't need affirmative action).

Finally, going out of your way to create racial diversity creates a non-issue -- race -- which begins to take precedence over REAL issues and REAL discussion. This is the idea behind uniforms at high schools -- By having a uniform dress code, you actually PROMOTE diversity, because instead of focusing on clothes, people focus on ideas (I've attended a public high school w/ no dress code, and a private high school with a dress code -- I will say for a fact that I felt my private high school was more diverse and I felt more comfortable speaking out there).

Thus, affirmative action REDUCES the amount of different ideas circulating across a campus. It makes colleges more multicolored, but less diverse.

[gerundio]

And an overly diverse school is a politically correct and censored one, where it becomes VERY difficult for people to actually discuss ideas.

Brown is the most diverse of the Ivies. They have the strongest affirmative action program. Once, a student published an editorial in the school daily newspaper that was against slave reparations. So severla minority groups decided to steal many copies of hte paper and throw them into Providence Bay. In that case, having too much diversity hurt the school by silencing dissenting opinion.

The REAL goal of diversity is to bring a diversity of ideas to campus. Being a different race DOES NOT MEAN you have different ideas, or will contribute more to diversity. After all, what is a "black" opinion on the Fundamental Theroem of Calculus as opposed to a "white" opinion?

Because teh goal is to have many different ideas floating around, this goal is COMPLETELY destroyed by political correctness and campus speech codes -- which are lobbyied for mostly be affirmative action students, many of whom have a hard time tolerating other people disagreeing with them (the student at Brown who wrote the anti-slave reparations article was officially labelled a racist by many student organizations, even though very few sane people outside of Brown support slave reparations [and even if there were reparations, they would come out to less than $100 per person, as I have demonstrated mathematically in another thread]). You also have to remember that students admitted on affirmative action tend NOT to have as many intellectual experiences as their colleagues (if they did, they wouldn't need affirmative action).

Finally, going out of your way to create racial diversity creates a non-issue -- race -- which begins to take precedence over REAL issues and REAL discussion. This is the idea behind uniforms at high schools -- By having a uniform dress code, you actually PROMOTE diversity, because instead of focusing on clothes, people focus on ideas (I've attended a public high school w/ no dress code, and a private high school with a dress code -- I will say for a fact that I felt my private high school was more diverse and I felt more comfortable speaking out there).

Thus, affirmative action REDUCES the amount of different ideas circulating across a campus. It makes colleges more multicolored, but less diverse.

Trust me, you'll learn a lot more about life by going to a racially diverse school as opposed to a homogenous one.

And no it does not reduce the amount of ideas reduced. I go to a very diverse high school, and everybody there gains from that whether they like it or not.

[ComradeRed]

If someone doesn't like something, then how did he gain from it?

Race is social fiat ... It's a non-issue that peopel use to avoid discussing the real issues. All I'd learn is that there are people who use non-issues to cloud real issues, and that society somehow sends them to good universities through AA.

You haven't addressed my argument except with an allegory... but let's say you're right. Let's say I do learn more at a racially diverse school.

Even if that's true, I'd rather GET IN to a homogenous school than get rejected at a racially diverse one. Wouldn't you?

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Ah and one more thing: Back in the 1970s, when there was no affirmative action in the Ivies, and the Ivies were primarily white, a higher percentage of Ivy League graduates went on to top medical and law fields (Harvard's Class of 1980 had 27% entering law school... compared to only 15% in the Class of 2003).

Today, now that we DO have racial diversity at the Ivies, FEWER members of their graduating classes end up at top graduate fields. The Ivies haev the MOST affirmative action of any school (Harvard's acceptance rate for white students is 11%, and its acceptance rate for black students is 35%). If racial diversity REALLY helped a school, you'd expect MORE of the students to be successful, not less.

In 1960s before the Ivy League affirmative action craze, the schools where students made the most money in their first jobs were Harvard, Princeton, and Yale. Today those schools are MIT, CalTech, and U-Cal Berkeley. At none of those schools is there a strong affirmative action program, whereas the affirmative action programs are very strong at the Ivy League schools.

The percentage of black people at Dartmouth is 9% ... compared to 0.7% for all of New Hampshire (i.e. there are THIRTEEN times more black students at Dartmouth than there should be, if the school accurately reflected the society). If the goal of affirmative action was to represent a cross section of society in its schools ... white students should get affirmative action. Likewise, Harvard, Cornell, Princeton, and Brown all have higher percentages of black people than the cities they are in. The only Ivies where blacks are underrepresented compared to the local city are Yale, Columbia, and Penn, and even then it is close at Yale and Penn.

Here's detailed statistics, proving that African-Americans are in fact OVERREPRESENTED at the Ivy League schools --> College numbers are from the colleges themselves, state numbers from the US Census Bureau:

*Remember that plus or minus 25% is within statistical margin of error

African-Americans at Dartmouth: 9%
African-Americans in New Hampshire: 0.7%
Status: African-Americans overrepresented by 1186% (Whites should get AA alot)

African-Americans at Brown: 6%
African-Americans in Rhode Island: 4%
Status: African-Americans overrepresented by 67% (Whites should get AA)

African-Americans at Harvard: 8%
African-Americans in Massachusetts: 5%
Status: African-Americans overrepresented by 60% (Whites should get AA)

African-Americans at Cornell: 5%
African-Americans in Upstate New York: 5%
Status: African-Americans representation ideal (Nobody should get AA)

African-Americans at Yale: 8%
African-Americans in Connecticut: 10%
Status: African-Americans underrepresented by 20% (Nobody should get AA)

African-Americans at Columbia: 9%
African-Americans in New York: 15%
Status: African-Americans underrepresented by 40% (Blacks should get AA)

African-Americans at Penn: 6%
African-Americans in Pennsylvania: 10%
Status: African-Americans underrepresented by 40% (Blacks should get AA)

African-Americans at Princeton: 8%
African-Americans in New Jersey: 14%
Status: African-Americans underrepresented by 42% (Blacks should get AA)

African-Americans are actually OVERREPRESNETED at half of the IVies ... certainly not disadvantaged.

[gerundio]

If someone doesn't like something, then how did he gain from it?

Race is social fiat ... It's a non-issue that peopel use to avoid discussing the real issues. All I'd learn is that there are people who use non-issues to cloud real issues, and that society somehow sends them to good universities through AA.

You haven't addressed my argument except with an allegory... but let's say you're right. Let's say I do learn more at a racially diverse school.

Even if that's true, I'd rather GET IN to a homogenous school than get rejected at a racially diverse one. Wouldn't you?

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Ah and one more thing: Back in the 1970s, when there was no affirmative action in the Ivies, and the Ivies were primarily white, a higher percentage of Ivy League graduates went on to top medical and law fields (Harvard's Class of 1980 had 27% entering law school... compared to only 15% in the Class of 2003).

Today, now that we DO have racial diversity at the Ivies, FEWER members of their graduating classes end up at top graduate fields. The Ivies haev the MOST affirmative action of any school (Harvard's acceptance rate for white students is 11%, and its acceptance rate for black students is 35%). If racial diversity REALLY helped a school, you'd expect MORE of the students to be successful, not less.

Well racists for one won't enjoy the diversity, but they may learn some tolerance by the time they're done with school.

And by having diversity doesn't mean you have to discuss race. The point of diversity is to bring more diversity to a campus. What better way then to learn about a person and his or her background than by living with them? Someone who had a different experience growing up will have different ideas and provide a different side to an argument -- and the issue being argued doesn't have to be race, gender, sexuality, or religion. Different upbringings and different cultures cause people to have different ideas in everything -- in the food they eat, the way they dress, the music they listen to, and the things they value in life. You can learn A LOT from things like these. And I am not talking about learning more about astrophysics or other classroom ****, I mean things about life that many people miss out on.

Obviously the percentage of people who "succeed" in college will be lower today than 20 years ago. Just look around you. The frenzy over the college process that exists today did not exist 20 years ago. More people from more places, from both genders, and from more ethnic and financial backgrounds are applying to college today.

[ComradeRed]

Well I can go to Downtown to learn about life for free. If I'm paying $40,000 a year to go to a top school, I expect to be with top people.

If MORE better people are applying to college there hsould be free market competition, thus the percentage of people who succeed after college should be HIGHER -- but it's not. Because of AA.

[gerundio]

Well I can go to Downtown to learn about life for free.

No, you can't. Where do live by the way? In a metropolitan area?

[*kryogenix*]

take this AA debate somewhere else please.

homeless people, yeah, i see them a lot in NYC. But one guy wanted money because he had a bubble machine and was blowing bubbles at people on the side walk. needless to say, I gave him nothing.

[ComradeRed]

No, you can't. Where do live by the way? In a metropolitan area?

I'm from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania... We have the third highest African-American percentage in the Northeast, next to Washington DC and New York City.

[DaNgErOusLy_In_L...]

ok well, yesterdai me n mah momz went to a 711 n there wuz a homeless guy outsyde the store, n he wuz sittin there, all lonley, dirrty, n hungri prob. n actualli, yea i felt bad b/c i mean, he had no home, no muni, no food... i mean, wut if that wuz u sittin there? Cold, n lonely... no famili or frndz? how would u b?? i kno sumtymz it could b their own fault, but styll.. us wit the homez n the food n the famili that luvz n carez for us, we r all veri lucki to have wut we have.. if that wur u or me or sum1 we kno out there lyk that, how would u feel?? It would b sad, n upsettin, m i ryt? there should b a place for them homeless ppl to go to! I kno sumtymz u onli c older men that r homeless, but thynk about it, sumwhere out there, there iz also 5 year oldz, 1 monthz, n evn new bornz that r homeless.. crawlin rownd the cold grownd, in the dark dangerous streetz, surchin thru trashcanz for food n water... so yes, i feel bad for them...

Ashlyn

xanga XaNgA XANGA

[ComradeRed]

I don't have a whole lot of muni either. Isn't that Latin for worlds?

[DaNgErOusLy_In_L...]

huh wut? IDK!!!!!!!

ashlyn

[ryfitaDF]

I'm from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania... We have the third highest African-American percentage in the Northeast, next to Washington DC and New York City.

i can voucher. Pittsburgh has an abundence of african americans.

i do feel bad for homeless people, kind of, but its also kind of is their own fault theyire homeless. all i know is i'm avoidong becomong homeless.

[Angelos]

man i live in dc and its insane the amount of homeless we have is steadily increasing and its pretty high now. i remember in middle school the school next to us after school one certain days would serve food to the homeless ..we did that for countless school project and the sad thing was my school was near like 8 shelters each that serve their own clientel of homeless meaning that nobody in one shelter went to another..d.c is really bad and in the winter its heart renching. so many times have i walked down the street in a real cold winter and seen homeless people that look or are dead like in a park bench etc

[sharerolling]

I feel bad for SOME of them. Cuz some of them are really mean and stuff. There's a lotta homeless people in san francisco, cali where i live.

[ComradeRed]

man i live in dc and its insane the amount of homeless we have is steadily increasing and its pretty high now. i remember in middle school the school next to us after school one certain days would serve food to the homeless ..we did that for countless school project and the sad thing was my school was near like 8 shelters each that serve their own clientel of homeless meaning that nobody in one shelter went to another..d.c is really bad and in the winter its heart renching. so many times have i walked down the street in a real cold winter and seen homeless people that look or are dead like in a park bench etc

DC has issues...

[Angelos]

i can voucher. Pittsburgh has an abundence of african americans.

i do feel bad for homeless people, kind of, but its also kind of is their own fault theyire homeless. all i know is i'm avoidong becomong homeless.

wait its there fault? how can u sya that ? alot suffer from mental illnesses and drugs and alcohol i mean they may not have made the right choices but u cant just walk by them and go i would help u but its your fault. regardless of the circumstances you should feel sorry for all

[ryfitaDF]

the ones with mental disabilities are protected by liberal govt.. if it's because of drugs and alcohol they really had it coming to them, and i do help homeless people, foo. after stillbornfest i went to the O original hot dog shop and got a pizza and gave a piece to this homeless guy: Wayne. that is very different from saying "i would help but it's your fault."

[acidbreeze]

Yes, my city (DC) has tons of homeless. A lot live around me (one county south of DC) and camp out in the woods, the homeless shelters are always full.

I try to donate often.. they're in a horrible situation..
Some homeless people have no chance of surviving, they have dropped out of high school and can't get a job, not even a bad one because the bad economy around here.

[ComradeRed]

wait its there fault? how can u sya that ? alot suffer from mental illnesses and drugs and alcohol i mean they may not have made the right choices but u cant just walk by them and go i would help u but its your fault. regardless of the circumstances you should feel sorry for all

Even if you have made ALL the wrong choices, the fact that the average person in poverty recieves $30,000 in government aid makes there no excuse to be homeless. Even if they don't have a job (mostly because of the minimum wage), they still have PLENTY of money -- unless they spend it all on drugs.

I have no sympathy for anyone who lives off money stolen from working Americans -- and neither should you.

[*mSz_dOrk_anGeL*]

why dont they just go out and get jobs .. THEN you wont feel bad

[melface]

At times I do... But recently, in downtown of my city.... they cut down a tree because homeless people were dealing drugs around it... [shrugs] and they're always under the bridge.... What if they were sleeping under the bridge one day... and just kind of rolled into the water.... and a shark ate them? THEN WHAT? then they'll die and i don't have to see those bloody signs and i don't have to see them on the streetlights asking for MY money, I'm already POOR ENOUGH!! AND I don't have to see them strolling down the sidewalks with shopping carts and bags of random things= empty coke cans they can redeem for 5 cents... clothes from Goodwill, waterfront mission, salvation army... I personally believe... that they are just making the city look ugly why can't they just go live in a cave somewhere?

[waccoon]

why dont they just go out and get jobs .. THEN you wont feel bad

It's not that simple. When you go into a job interview, do they judge you on your appearance, posture, hygeine? They do, and a homeless person doesn't have the facilities, clothes, etc needed to look at least halfway acceptable. When you get a job, you also have to fill out papers - What are you going to do when you have to fill in the address?

[Levy2k6]

for the address part.. you just write at what bridge u live under... lmfao im jk

but yeah... dont they have those places where they hang out and ppl come in looking for workers?

[melface]

Well.. McDonald's is ALWAYS hiring... and they assign you a uniform... or they can be one of those people who stand on street corners with a sign for some stupid furniture store or something and wave at cars that go by...