The Swastika Options

[Heathasm]

Most people I've talked to about this are so set in their way and thinking that they wont take in any thing about the swastika, such as the GOOD the symbol actually stands for. The Swastika was around a longggggggg ass time before the nazis ever took it in, and ever since swastika has been marred by that event.
In the earlier days the Swastika normally stood for the sun, power, good luck even in the early twentieth century the swastika was still a symbol that was used commonly for it's true meaning. For instance, the swastika was a common decoration that was on cigarette cases, postcards, coins, and buildings. During World War I the swastika could even be found on the shoulder patches of the American 45th Division and on the Finnish air force until after World War II.
I've worn the swastika out before and had it up on my website once. I got called an ignorant nazi kid and other names...when really in my mind they are the ones being ignorant.

There is a great debate as to what the swastika means now. For 3,000 years, the swastika meant life and good luck. But because of the Nazis, it has also taken on a meaning of death and hate.
These conflicting meanings are causing problems in today's society. For Buddhists and Hindus (I'm buddhist btw), the swastika is a very religious symbol that is commonly used. This guy Chirag Badlani i read about went to make some photocopies of some Hindu Gods for his temple that while standing in line to pay for the photocopies, some people behind him in line noticed that one of the pictures had a swastika and they called him a NAZI!
Since the Nazis were so effective at their use of the swastika emblem, many dont even know any other meaning for the swastika. Can there be two completely opposite meanings for one symbol?


So, I ask, what are your thoughts

[ComradeRed]

I'm adopting the swastika as the official symbol of the KRP.

[Heathasm]

I'm adopting the swastika as the official symbol of the KRP.

LOL, umm, that'll go over swell

[ComradeRed]

Yes ... Keystone Regulars all the way!

Our platform consists of essentially two parts:
- Kick all non-Pennsylvanians out of the University of Pennsylvania, making it much easier for Pennsylvanian Regulars to get in.
- Put a huge poster of Alex Shaw on the main commons.

Our plan is to control a majority of seats in the Penn student government by 2007. It's a little ambitious, but with the right batch of bribery and political assassination, we could pull it off... metaphorical political assassination, that is.

[*CrackedRearView*]

Sign me up for Keystone!

[ryfitaDF]

it seems people will assume any symbol is bad if it's not the one they wear. like how the pentigram was originally for wicca practices but now that satan worshipers use it that's all it means.

i'm going with people choose good over bad and it never changing back. i know when i see a swasticka, iron cross, or confederate flag i don't appreciate it (when i se a swasticka i wanna bash the person's head in with a pipe. i'm not too fond of skinheads)

[sikdragon]

fagg used to mean ciggarette, fudge used to be an acronym for fornication. Gay used to mean happy. These all beautiful words have been destroyed by certain groups. So i guess the swastika can only mean death and hate until the years of wrong usage can be undone.

[ComradeRed]

Ryfita, the Iron Cross was in use from 1870 and is still in use in the German military today -- it has more of an association with the Prussian military than the Nazis. I have a replica that I wear some times.

[Heathasm]

it seems people will assume any symbol is bad if it's not the one they wear. like how the pentigram was originally for wicca practices but now that satan worshipers use it that's all it means.

i'm going with people choose good over bad and it never changing back. i know when i see a swasticka, iron cross, or confederate flag i don't appreciate it (when i se a swasticka i wanna bash the person's head in with a pipe. i'm not too fond of skinheads)

i see pentagram necklaces every where...that's hardly a good comparrison

I think you should ask them why theyre wearing that before you start bashing their heads in too

[Heathasm]

fagg used to mean ciggarette, fudge used to be an acronym for fornication. Gay used to mean happy. These all beautiful words have been destroyed by certain groups. So i guess the swastika can only mean death and hate until the years of wrong usage can be undone.

Those are all words
If those words were symbols, I'm sure they would stand for the same meaning amongst most...

[MeanBastard]

Wrong, the swastika was never used as a good luck symbol or happy symbol. YOu are mistaken. The swasitka is a mirror image of that symbol.

Swastika

The religious symbol. As good as one that I could find on google. Its also known as yungdrung apparently.
Next time, try to get your information correct. Goodbye.

[Heathasm]

Wrong, the swastika was never used as a good luck symbol or happy symbol. YOu are mistaken. The swasitka is a mirror image of that symbol.

Swastika

The religious symbol. As good as one that I could find on google. Its also known as yungdrung apparently.
Next time, try to get your information correct. Goodbye.

wouldn't a mirror image be the same thing?

[pikimoo]

like how the pentigram was originally for wicca practices but now that satan worshipers use it that's all it means.

One point upward, a pentagram was a symbol for Jesus Christ. The 5 points being his head, arms, and legs upon the cross.

One point downward, it symbolizes a goat. There are different ways of seeing the goat. One being a symbol in itself for the devil. Another may be used for Wiccan beliefs and whatnot.. I wouldn't know. I am not Wiccan.

And to th5418: If it is a mirror image, it is seen as the same thing.

[Mr. Psychotic]

um...if its five points why did you only name 4 points....and if you say two legs when he was on the cross his legs were like on top of each other

[pikimoo]

um...if its five points why did you only name 4 points....and if you say two legs when he was on the cross his legs were like on top of each other

It counts both for his legs. It's just a symbol representing him basically.

[captured_serenit...]

there can be two totally different meanings of a symbol you know just like how a word can have two different meanings but i guess that's just my opinion..

[*CrackedRearView*]

wouldn't a mirror image be the same thing?

No, it's backwards.

And to th5418: If it is a mirror image, it is seen as the same thing

No, it's backwards.

[XGhostReconX]

lol my parents are hindu but im gonna go athiest cuzs it makes sense and all but i dont believe in a higher bieng than man but the point is yeah swastikas were used alot further back in time for religion.

[ComradeRed]

Swastikas are also used in game theory to denote mutually exclusive mixed strategy nash equilibria...

[MeanBastard]

Okay, its backwards. Not a mirror image.

[ryfitaDF]

Ryfita, the Iron Cross was in use from 1870 and is still in use in the German military today -- it has more of an association with the Prussian military than the Nazis. I have a replica that I wear some times.

all i know is i saw a picture of Irwin Romell with one on and i never looked at it the same again

i see pentagram necklaces every where...that's hardly a good comparrison

i've been yelled at and lectured about all the pentigrams i draw on things. i guess it's just less accepted around here.

I think you should ask them why theyre wearing that before you start bashing their heads in too

well their lack of hair, 62 hole cushoned boots, and hanging red suspenders will make what their swasticka stands for pretty clear

[Devastation]

deform reformation.

[sheddingtears]

Omfg. I'm buddhist too and that sign indicates a sign of Buddhism to me. This guy called me EVIL for wearing a buddhist necklace with that symbol. JEEZ.

[ComradeRed]

all i know is i saw a picture of Irwin Romell with one on and i never looked at it the same again

First of all, it's Erwin Rommel, second of all he plotted to kill Hitler and was executed for it. Hardly a Nazi. Most of the German generals in WWII were anti-Nazi... the vast majority believed Hitler was a fool, and several of them tried to assassinate him on several occasions.

But for the same reason democrat generals like Wesley Clark and Norman Schwarzkopf followed the orders of Republican President Bush Sr., most of the generals followed Hitler's orders, but Hitler was a control freak and didn't let the generals do their own thing which cost them many battles.

[ryfitaDF]

^ i did not know that. thank you for clearing it up.

[T00000]

the nazi swastica is a symbol of hate. the original symbol which means love peace the sun etc. was erected in early buddhist culture. however, when the actual nazi swastica is used as a symbol, it has been reversed and put at a crooked angle. this is to sort of spit in the real symbol's face. it's sort of mocking the true meaning of the symbol. that's that.

[gigiopolis]

You're completely right, Heathasm. Like you said, the Swastika is a very important symbol to many religions. The only reason it became associated with Nazis is because Adolf Hitler has to be the stupidest man to ever set foot on earth.

He coined the term "Aryan" to mean someone with blonde hair, blue eyes, and of German background. In reality, this word means a person of an Indo-European heritage. As mentioned before, the Swastika was used by Hitler to represent hate, but the symbol is used in some religions.

The sheer cluelessness that Hitler had is truly frightening to me. How he could kill so many people and not know a single good fact is kind of eerie.

People should know about this before they judge people who are Buddist or Hindu. Calling them evil when all they are doing is believing in a religion. People should know that Hitler was just...a DUMBASS.

[ThunderEvermore]

A man is good, all his life. Always buys girl scout cookies, always helps old women across the street, holds doors open, pays a bigger tip, always has a smile and always spreads kindness.

Then one day, he murders a man, in cold blood.

Is he still good?

Should he not be put in prison?

Of course he should.

Despite the good of the symbol, one horrible event changed the meaning in the eyes of all around the world. The symbol is hardly ever still used, except by idioc anarchist teenagers who say their parents are nazis. When inface, the Nazis werent so bad before Hitler either. But no one will forgive them, and the name will forever strike evil and fear in the hearts of its listeners.

I think that its horrid that people arent educated about the symbol, but I think its more important we educate them about their presidential candidates, than a dead symbol that pretty much cant be changed to mean anything but opression and evil.

[cornflakes]

It was a religious symbol back then, still is. Its good. Most people just think its only nazi related.

[cornflakes]

the nazi swastica is a symbol of hate. the original symbol which means love peace the sun etc. was erected in early buddhist culture. however, when the actual nazi swastica is used as a symbol, it has been reversed and put at a crooked angle. this is to sort of spit in the real symbol's face. it's sort of mocking the true meaning of the symbol. that's that.

Its not only buddhist.

[gigiopolis]

wouldn't a mirror image be the same thing?

Not exactly, but quite similar.

I think the problem here is that people mistaken a religious swastika for a Nazi swastika. I think they need to learn that no, it's not only a symbol for evil, it could be a symbol of love and peace. Backwards or not.

[jo3]

But for the same reason democrat generals like Wesley Clark and Norman Schwarzkopf followed the orders of Republican President Bush Sr., most of the generals followed Hitler's orders, but Hitler was a control freak and didn't let the generals do their own thing which cost them many battles.

i don't think Clark and Schwarzkopf would have been executed for not following Bush's orders. haha

the swastika will forever be remembered as an evil sign....unless people are educated and realize its importance to some religions

[Heathasm]

Its not only buddhist.

if you read the whole thing you would know that i know that

its used in buddhaism to represent exactly what is represents...
the nazis used it in a different form..tilted to the side and people get all riled up even when they see it in it's correct form

[x0xcrzybabyx0x]

well, thats cool that it means the sun and power and blah blah blah.. but the truth is, because that once stood for evil, and it is known for evil, its not really excepted anymore.

i mean, i know that the swastika can mean good or whatever, but im jewish, and when i see someone wearing the swastika or drawing it on there hand, i kinda get offended.. even though they may be using it for religious purposes..

just like jo3 said, it will always be remembered as a sign of evil unless people get educated about it.

[melface]

Hitler flipped the original swastika from india which meant love and peace... so he flipped it the other way and then it meant hatred and destruction... or something along those lines

people shouldn't see a swastika and say OH IT'S WRONG... YOU NAZI.... because you may have drawn the original one from india.







idk.

[jo3]

its kinda like if someone kills another person....the murderer will be hated for a long time...but eventually he might be forgiven of his sins when he turns into a better guy

[broken inside]

Yeah well, gay used to mean happy.
And also, I belive that the way it's facing has alot to with the meaning.
Anyway, i will attack anyone wearing a swastika. I'm Jewish and I lost members of my familly to the war. I remember someone once drew one on the whiteboard of my choir class, and my teacher wouldn't do anything about it.

[sadolakced acid]

christians have a history of ruining perfectly good pagan symbols.

i mean, come on. pentragram= jesus christ?

devil's pitchfork, etc.

anyways, i have a swastika hanging from my rearview mirror.


it's pretty small, and it's part of a larger buddhist pendant.

it's nice. i like it.

[*ECD & C0*]

thats so interesting damn all the nazis

[smoke]

Yeah, it's been said before but the Swastika that the Nazi's used is flipped horizontally and it's diagonal. It is backwards to symbolize just the opposite of good and peace.
Buddism/Hindu:

Nazi:


Get your facts straight next time. The Nazi Swastika and the regular Swastika are two completely different symbols.

Sadly, most people are ignorant to the fact and when they see any kind of Swastika they automatically think "Nazi" and "Hate."