High School Dropouts Options

[MeanBastard]

How can someone not pass highschool? I know two people who dropped out, and I have to wonder how dumb you have to be not to be able to pass H.S. They make it so you can graduate, even if you're a total buffoon. For example, the normal math curriculum includes : Algebra, Geometry, Trigonometry, and Calculus, stupid people are allowed to take "Basic Math" and "Math for living" classes where the only requirment is that you can do basic arithmetic. I can only imagine what goes through an employer's head when they see that someone is a highschool dropout--its basically a sign that reads "I'm too stupid to live".


THIS IS REGARDING IN TODAYS WORLD AND WHERE EDUCATION IS FREE

[leeeza702]

yeah, I wonder that myself sometimes also. My friend didn't graduate high school because he was doing drugs and NEVER went to school... whenever he went, he would ditch some of his classes... IMO, high school was sooo easy, all you have to do is attend... oh well...

[*x____duckii*]

[*AngelicEyz00*]

rofl... you're ignorant, ya know that??

Your first assumption... People who don't graduate high school are stupid...

Not every situation is like that, hun... far from it too... Ever think that maybe those people have personal problems?? Maybe they've made a few mistakes, and they can't go back on 'em now? Maybe they've hung out with the wrong crowd, they get distracted, ignore the fact that they need/want to finish highschool and just don't make it??

How can you judge someone just cuz they dropped out of highschool? You're an idiot to assume that stuff... seriously... You don't know what ANY of those people go through... Maybe doing things that caused them to drop out of high school were dumb, but you can't assume that they themselves are dumb as well

[MeanBastard]

What are some of those life problems? Examples please. By the way, I am not your hun.

[*AngelicEyz00*]

Family problems... friend problems... addiciton problems... distractions from school...

I'm not gonna get into details with any of this, because you probably wont understand, so I'm not even gonna effing bother with you about that...

I just find it to be ignorance on your part when you assume sh!t about people in general when you don't even know the half of it

[MeanBastard]

Addiction problems? Hence, drug addict? Yes, you already are too stupid to live if you are doing drugs. Why the hell are you smoking and doing heroin or whatever. You're going to end up dead, and dead. Distractions from school? Whats distracting you? Girls? Guys? Yes, great reason for you to drop out. Family problems eh. Sure, I'll leave in one or two excpetions. Like if their mom has cancer and you are her only family. Friend problems. How exactly will your friend have you drop out. Back up some statements please.

[sunissed14127]

hmm...idk!!

[happy endings]

rofl... you're ignorant, ya know that??

sorry, but i agree, you are kind of ignorant.

i mean, some people HAVE to drop out because maybe they have a family to support so they don't have time for school. did you ever consider that? they didn't drop out because they were STUPID.

[leeeza702]

Family problems... friend problems... addiciton problems... distractions from school...

I'm not gonna get into details with any of this, because you probably wont understand, so I'm not even gonna effing bother with you about that...

I just find it to be ignorance on your part when you assume sh!t about people in general when you don't even know the half of it

Yeah, that's true... not everyone that drops out is just because they're "stupid" or whatever... I knew a girl that dropped out because she got pregnant, she wasn't too stupid to graduate high school though... but she had to because she had to take care of her baby... but in the case of my friend, mentioned above, he was just dumb... he never took school seriously.

//EDIT// this seems to be turning into a debate... so maybe it should be moved???

[*x____duckii*]

Oh, so those are the reasons...I never thought it was actually something else...

[kuyaulo]

uh sumtimes families can't afford to pay for schooling ya know so they gotta drop outta school

[DrEaMgUy2K1]

um... elba pretty much sum'd it all up....

[MeanBastard]

uh sumtimes families can't afford to pay for schooling ya know so they gotta drop outta school

I don't know where you live but in America we get public schooling.

[*AngelicEyz00*]

Addiction problems? Hence, drug addict? Yes, you already are too stupid to live if you are doing drugs. Why the hell are you smoking and doing heroin or whatever. You're going to end up dead, and dead. Distractions from school? Whats distracting you? Girls? Guys? Yes, great reason for you to drop out. Family problems eh. Sure, I'll leave in one or two excpetions. Like if their mom has cancer and you are her only family. Friend problems. How exactly will your friend have you drop out. Back up some statements please.

All I'm saying is, that you have NO RIGHT to judge people... you don't know what they have to go through each and everyday... we're all effing human... we make mistakes... no one's perfect... not everyone is gonna stay in high school and finish it... but some of those people can't do anything about it because it's just too late... like i said before... you shouldn't be judging when u don't know the half of it....

edit: and for your friends making you drop out... they can't MAKE you drop out, but they can serve as a distraction... but i am not gonna bring in any details with that one... but i have a feeling your eventually gonna make me, heh

[MeanBastard]

sorry, but i agree, you are kind of ignorant.

i mean, some people HAVE to drop out because maybe they have a family to support so they don't have time for school. did you ever consider that? they didn't drop out because they were STUPID.

Family too support? Get a job. A job after school.

[MeanBastard]

All I'm saying is, that you have NO RIGHT to judge people... you don't know what they have to go through each and everyday... we're all effing human... we make mistakes... no one's perfect... not everyone is gonna stay in high school and finish it... but some of those people can't do anything about it because it's just too late... like i said before... you shouldn't be judging when u don't know the half of it....

edit: and for your friends making you drop out... they can't MAKE you drop out, but they can serve as a distraction... but i am not gonna bring in any details with that one... but i have a feeling your eventually gonna make me, heh

Thats why I am asking you to provide some of those wonderful examples in your head.

[*AngelicEyz00*]

examples in my head... more like experiences from family members which i am in no mood to explain to some ignorant person who'll probably make personal attacks on those individuals....

[MeanBastard]

Hmm, guess there are none. My statement still stands then.

[*AngelicEyz00*]

oh just fcuk off and stop being so damn judgmental and ignorant

[krazyxp]

some ppl just dont care, or think they have all the time in the world. but whatever, that's their decision. or they have other things that they find more important to them. ..

like, a few of my buddies that i was talking to the other day have dropped out or just not cared, and well, for the most part, they're regretting it. ie; "if only i could go back to hs, i would be a straight A student" and that kinda stuff.

sadly, we're only allowed one chance. so, try to care, even a little.

[=x i shouldnt be talking tho. i havent really cared about my schooling... -_- but i'm gonna stick in there& graduate .. ^^*]

[MeanBastard]

oh just fcuk off and stop being so damn judgmental and ignorant

Attack my statement. No my personality.

[*AngelicEyz00*]

Attack my statement. No my personality.

fine... i'll give you an example... just wait til i edit this post...

[MeanBastard]

fine... i'll give you an example... just wait til i edit this post...

Thank you.

[Levy2k6]

i live in texas... its pretty hard to graduate in my school district..

to basically graduate u need to have passed
english 1,2,3,4
passed 3 diff math's,
pass 2 diff sciences,
1 1/2 yrs of PE/Athletics,
Health, Speech and AAS (Advanced Academic Skills),
ECO/GOV,
US and World History
1 Technology Class
1 Science Elective
and there's probaly more to it....

and pass the TAKS test ur junior year for Science, Math, Reading and Writing.... if u dont pass the TAKS, u take it ur senior year and if u dont pass it again, ur focked..

u take taks ur sophomore and freshman year also but the sophomore one doesnt really count...

THEREFORE... we get a couple of dropouts every year... but its only like a couple of them.... and then our school has alot of damn rules.

[inthemudhole]

rofl... you're ignorant, ya know that??

Your first assumption... People who don't graduate high school are stupid...

Not every situation is like that, hun... far from it too... Ever think that maybe those people have personal problems?? Maybe they've made a few mistakes, and they can't go back on 'em now? Maybe they've hung out with the wrong crowd, they get distracted, ignore the fact that they need/want to finish highschool and just don't make it??

How can you judge someone just cuz they dropped out of highschool? You're an idiot to assume that stuff... seriously... You don't know what ANY of those people go through... Maybe doing things that caused them to drop out of high school were dumb, but you can't assume that they themselves are dumb as well

^Couldn't have said it better.
Sometimes they just can't handle high school because of some PERSONAL problems.

EXAMPLES: family drug use, family deaths, bad living arrangements, illness in the family, friend drug use, friend deaths, etc, etc.

They're not all stupid. Some are, yes, but don't be so f*cking quick to judge them that they're all stupid just because they dropped out.

[*AngelicEyz00*]

Example given^^ ... fyi if you point any criticism towards the subjects in my example i will effing go off again

Moved to Debate

[MeanBastard]

How exacly does a friend's drug use have you drop out? How does a friend's death have you drop out? How does any of your examples have you drop out.

[inthemudhole]

How exacly does a friend's drug use have you drop out? How does a friend's death have you drop out? How does any of your examples have you drop out.

OBVIOUSLY all of the pressure put on them in those situations.

[MeanBastard]

There are things to help you relieve you of those pressures. Friend's drug use, send him to some sort of group. Friend's death, counsler. Bad living arrangements, find better. Illness of the family, most probable there is another family member willing to take care of the person.

[*x____duckii*]

There are things to help you relieve you of those pressures. Friend's drug use, send him to some sort of group. Friend's death, counsler. Bad living arrangements, find better. Illness of the family, most probable there is another family member willing to take care of the person.

Not everything can be fixed that easily.

[inthemudhole]

There are things to help you relieve you of those pressures. Friend's drug use, send him to some sort of group. Friend's death, counsler. Bad living arrangements, find better. Illness of the family, most probable there is another family member willing to take care of the person.

^Yeah, that's true, they can go to rehab and other groups and counselors, BUT.. it's still weighing heavy on their mind and they can't concentrate, so they think "why bother effing around here if I can't concentrate" and they make the choice to drop out.

Doesn't make them stupid.

EDIT//

Not everything can be fixed that easily.

^Very, very true.

[DrEaMgUy2K1]

uGhZ... drug addictions can fudge them up,they cant think straight,and maybe their drug addictions are too pwerful to overcome with the **** they also gotta put up with in school?

family problems....a death in a family or a terminal illness can traumatize a person for a long time, and the drama could just be too overwhelming to concentrate on anything but the drama?

yea i know people who dropped out of high school and got there GED , and they are x1000 smarter than ur ignorant narrow minded ass. just stfu and go flame ur mom or something

[MeanBastard]

Not everything can be fixed that easily.

This post and the one I quoted is irrelevent.

[MeanBastard]

uGhZ... drug addictions can fudge them up,they cant think straight,and maybe their drug addictions are too pwerful to overcome with the **** they also gotta put up with in school?

family problems....a death in a family or a terminal illness can traumatize a person for a long time, and the drama could just be too overwhelming to concentrate on anything but the drama?

yea i know people who dropped out of high school and got there GED , and they are x1000 smarter than ur ignorant narrow minded ass. just stfu and go flame ur mom or something

Obviously they are smarter than my narrow ass. My ass doesnt have a brain. I dont know about you. Again, you attacking me in the end. Okay, who goes INTO drug addictions. People who dont really care. People who are too stupid to live. Terminal illness? SOmeone in my school has to be in a wheelchair 24/7. She has a disfigured body. I dont even understand how her hand can hold a pencil. But she does it. Can you get more ill than that to not be able to pass HS if you have the chance to?

[inthemudhole]

uGhZ... drug addictions can fudge them up,they cant think straight,and maybe their drug addictions are too pwerful to overcome with the **** they also gotta put up with in school?

family problems....a death in a family or a terminal illness can traumatize a person for a long time, and the drama could just be too overwhelming to concentrate on anything but the drama?

^Exactly. It's overwhelming when you lose a loved one, and you almost want to die yourself. All of that is weighing heavy on you, you feel pressured to do better than usual. You might actually snap from all the pressure. Seriously. So they figure they should just get one of the pressures/stressers out of the way, and that is where they choose to drop out.

[*x____duckii*]

You guys should stop accusing each other. Everyone's got their own opinions and point of views, and nothing's gonna change their way of thinking.

[*AngelicEyz00*]

Ok... according to your statement... all dropouts are intellectually stupid... which usually is hardly ever the case... There are other ways of earning diplomas which are equivalent to a high school diploma... ie the GED...

I have two older brothers, both of which who didn't graduate high school. They're so effing far from being "stupid" or "dumb" or whatever you were calling HS dropouts. They're made some mistakes, hung out with the wrong crowd, etc. My oldest brother would go out, party, have fun, skip classes etc... Basically he was distracted away from school. He was ONE effing credit away from graduating... but yeh... they didn't let him graduate... but things happened, and he wasn't even able to go back to school... but he eventuallt got a GED, so yeh... equivalent to a HS diploma... anywho, he's far from being stupid for someone who didn't graduate HS...

Same thing with my other brother, except they kicked him out of HS and sent him to a community high school... he eventually got his GED too...

Both of them have made many mistakes... both had kids by the time they were 18... both hung out with the wrong crowd, etc... people make mistakes... I understand this... that's why I'm not quick to judge people for the mistakes they've made or anything

Intelligence wise, they're pretty smart... they may not make the best decisions, they do what they wanna do at the moment, but they're ok guys.

That's where i'll stop, because I think I've actually gotten off topic, or I'm going there. Bottom line is, not everyone who drops out of HS or doesn't pass it is dumb... some just don't care... some just have made decisions that they can't go back on now and they struggle to get their act together again.... some never can though... but who are we to judge really? Let them be who they are... so what if someone doesn't pass HS or drops out... it's their own choice, they'll deal with it later in life when it bites them in the a$$... but we have no right to judge what kind of person they are

[happy endings]

Family too support? Get a job. A job after school.

sometimes a PART-TIME job isn't enough to support a family. and if you had a child, who would take care of him/her while you were at school?? really, if you only had a part-time job that probably wouldn't be enough to pay for a daycare AND your basic needs. so sometimes, you HAVE to drop out of school.

[inthemudhole]

You guys should stop accusing each other. Everyone's got their own opinions and point of veiws, and nothing's gonna change their way of thinking.

^Well, it is debate, so we're not going to just stop.

Okay, who goes INTO drug addictions. People who dont really care. People who are too stupid to live.

^I disagree. No one is "too stupid to live."

[MeanBastard]

AngelicEyz00, you said not to post criticism, so I just wont respond.

happy endings, if you started a family while not thinking ahead, you'd have to be pretty stupid to do that now wouldnt you have to be?

[MeanBastard]

you know it's pretty jackass-like calling people who aren't as good in math "stupid people"
people drop out of high school for different reasons other than education..
like let's say..they got pregnant and they can't handle school and take care of a kid
im not saying its okay to drop out of high school
but you have a pretty close-minded point of view

Again, if you started a family without thinking ahead, a pretty stupid movement.

[inthemudhole]

sometimes a PART-TIME job isn't enough to support a family. and if you had a child, who would take care of him/her while you were at school?? really, if you only had a part-time job that probably wouldn't be enough to pay for a daycare AND your basic needs. so sometimes, you HAVE to drop out of school.

^EXACTLY. They're too busy trying to handle things, and they need more than just a part-time job to support their whole family.

you know it's pretty jackass-like calling people who aren't as good in math "stupid people"
people drop out of high school for different reasons other than education..
like let's say..they got pregnant and they can't handle school and take care of a kid
im not saying its okay to drop out of high school
but you have a pretty close-minded point of view

^I absolutely agree.

[*AngelicEyz00*]

happy endings, if you started a family while not thinking ahead, you'd have to be pretty stupid to do that now wouldnt you have to be?

hmm... i don't understand what u just said

ok... got it... yes, it may have been a pretty dumb move, but they'll be dealing with the consequences, no?

[MeanBastard]

^EXACTLY. They're too busy trying to handle things, and they need more than just a part-time job to support their whole family.


^I absolutely agree.

<has only the will power to make arrows and agree. Or disagree. Also cannot form own opinon.

[inthemudhole]

happy endings, if you started a family while not thinking ahead, you'd have to be pretty stupid to do that now wouldnt you have to be?

^Not exactly. THEY'RE F*CKING KIDS. WE ARE NAIVE! WE DON'T THINK 100% OF THE TIME.
That's not stupid, that's just not using your head, so it does NOT make them stupid.

[MeanBastard]

^Not exactly. THEY'RE F*CKING KIDS. WE ARE NAIVE! WE DON'T THINK 100% OF THE TIME.
That's not stupid, that's just not using your head, so it does NOT make them stupid.

Um, not using your head is pretty stupid. If you take action without thinking about the consequences, pretty dumb. Especially when you are a teenager and you have unsafe sex.

[MeanBastard]

^^ hmm..and who are you to determine what is "stupid" or not?

Kiddo, this is the debate forum. We form our own opinions. This is OBVIOUSLY, my opinion.

[*AngelicEyz00*]

having sex is just... well, you're naiive... you think you wont get pregnant... or you just straight out don't think about the consequences... then when you realize you may be pregnant.. you're scared as helll and regret ever having unprotected sex... but there's no turning back just because you were naiive...

i don't find someone who has unprotected sex stupid... i find them to just be naiive... but they're kids, ya know?

if they're stupid, then why not call everyone stupid? we all make mistakes from time to time... we sometimes may not think about the consequences

[LilPiggi3]

What are some of those life problems? Examples please. By the way, I am not your hun.

My parents dropped never made it pass middle school and they are NOT STUPID ...my grandpa didn't have enough money to pay for my mom's education so she had to drop out and help him with the factory. My dad's parent ALSO didn't have enough money to support him he had to drop out and help his dad at the bakery. They may be stupid in school stuff, but they have skills. Like my dad, he knows how to make moon cakes, cakes, cookies, etc. And my mom knows how to weave and make towels. So don't go calling High shcool drop outs stupid.

[MeanBastard]

My parents dropped never made it pass middle school and they are NOT STUPID ...my grandpa didn't have enough money to pay for my mom's education so she had to drop out and help him with the factory. My dad's parent ALSO didn't have enough money to support him he had to drop out and help his dad at the bakery. They may be stupid in school stuff, but they have skills. Like my dad, he knows how to make moon cakes, cakes, cookies, etc. And my mom knows how to weave and make towels. So don't go calling High shcool drop outs stupid.

Okay, I was implying in todays world. We have public school. Let me edit my first post.

[inthemudhole]

Um, not using your head is pretty stupid. If you take action without thinking about the consequences, pretty dumb. Especially when you are a teenager and you have unsafe sex.

^No it is not. It is simply not thinking, and that does NOT make you stupid.

[inthemudhole]

Hey, you know what else happens?
This could happen here in my state.

Someone could drop out because they have to go back and tend the farm, because their father passed away. That happens, and it has happened here before. And don't effing scoff at that, it DOES happen. I live in North Dakota, and there are a lot of farms.

Someone could try and make their way through school, and when they get to high school, someone passes away and they have to go back and tend the farm, because that is INCOME which they need.

Does that make them stupid?
No, that makes them a good person.. going back to tend the farm.

This is a real situation, don't say it's not, because I've seen it happen.

[inlonelinessidie]

rofl... you're ignorant, ya know that??

Your first assumption... People who don't graduate high school are stupid...

Not every situation is like that, hun... far from it too... Ever think that maybe those people have personal problems?? Maybe they've made a few mistakes, and they can't go back on 'em now? Maybe they've hung out with the wrong crowd, they get distracted, ignore the fact that they need/want to finish highschool and just don't make it??

How can you judge someone just cuz they dropped out of highschool? You're an idiot to assume that stuff... seriously... You don't know what ANY of those people go through... Maybe doing things that caused them to drop out of high school were dumb, but you can't assume that they themselves are dumb as well

I agree with her. You're the arrogant fool. Stereotyping people as stupid just because they didn't graduate high school is absurd.

Addiction problems? Hence, drug addict? Yes, you already are too stupid to live if you are doing drugs. Why the hell are you smoking and doing heroin or whatever. You're going to end up dead, and dead. Distractions from school? Whats distracting you? Girls? Guys? Yes, great reason for you to drop out. Family problems eh. Sure, I'll leave in one or two excpetions. Like if their mom has cancer and you are her only family. Friend problems. How exactly will your friend have you drop out. Back up some statements please.

You're a close minded person. So let me break this done for you so you can understand .

Family/ friend problems can lead to drugs
drugs lead to addiction
addiction leads to distraction
distraction lead to dropping out

[MeanBastard]

^No it is not. It is simply not thinking, and that does NOT make you stupid.

Yes it does.

[*x____duckii*]

Addiction problems? Hence, drug addict? Yes, you already are too stupid to live if you are doing drugs.

Ummm...btw, people could be getting into drugs cuz they're depressed and they think that drugs will make them forget about their problems, so they start. And no, they're not too stupid to live.

[MeanBastard]

Hey, you know what else happens?
This could happen here in my state.

Someone could drop out because they have to go back and tend the farm, because their father passed away. That happens, and it has happened here before. And don't effing scoff at that, it DOES happen. I live in North Dakota, and there are a lot of farms.

Someone could try and make their way through school, and when they get to high school, someone passes away and they have to go back and tend the farm, because that is INCOME which they need.

Does that make them stupid?
No, that makes them a good person.. going back to tend the farm.

This is a real situation, don't say it's not, because I've seen it happen.

Gee, that surely is a situation. A family of only you and your father. Yeah, your right. When your father passes away and only you are left on the farm. Alone. With no mom. No siblings. No cousins. Guess thats the situation. [/sarcasm]

[inthemudhole]

Yes it does.

No, it does not. People are naive, you have to realize that.
People don't think ALL OF THE F*CKING TIME.
People don't use their head every second of every f*cking day.

That does NOT make them stupid, damnit.

[sporadic]

I think that your problem, th5418, is that you think much too highly of yourself and the work that you do. Highschool isn't something that comes naturally to some people, like doing work and making friends. Sometimes people have too much pressure put on to them and can't handle it.

Not everyone is as wonderful and perfect as you, and not everyone can finish high school.

Sometimes people have to drop out and get a job to support their families, or maybe they have something more important (in their opinion) than school. Like taking time off to do something more. Like inventing something...

And it's not like these people don't want to finish high school, a lot of them wait until they're adults and financially able to start going to high school again, then they graduate.

[MeanBastard]

I agree with her. You're the arrogant fool. Stereotyping people as stupid just because they didn't graduate high school is absurd.


You're a close minded person. So let me break this done for you so you can understand .

Family/ friend problems can lead to drugs
drugs lead to addiction
addiction leads to distraction
distraction lead to dropping out

Anybody who turns to drugs right away is pretty stupid in my mind. I would turn to someone who can help me. AKA counseling..

[inthemudhole]

Gee, that surely is a situation. A family of only you and your father. Yeah, your right. When your father passes away and only you are left on the farm. Alone. With no mom. No siblings. No cousins. Guess thats the situation. [/sarcasm]

Actually it is. I've seen it happen many times.
Don't pretend that it's not possible.
I never said that you're alone.
If you're a son, you'll need to go back and help the mother.
No sh1t.
If you're a daughter, you'll most likely have to go back and help the mom. It's just the RIGHT way to do things.. helping your own family out when they need it the most.

[inlonelinessidie]

Anybody who turns to drugs right away is pretty stupid in my mind. I would turn to someone who can help me. AKA counseling..

Well that's your opinion. Not all people think the same way you do.

[inthemudhole]

I think that your problem, th5418, is that you think much too highly of yourself and the work that you do. Highschool isn't something that comes naturally to some people, like doing work and making friends. Sometimes people have too much pressure put on to them and can't handle it.

Not everyone is as wonderful and perfect as you, and not everyone can finish high school.

Sometimes people have to drop out and get a job to support their families, or maybe they have something more important (in their opinion) than school. Like taking time off to do something more. Like inventing something...

And it's not like these people don't want to finish high school, a lot of them wait until they're adults and financially able to start going to high school again, then they graduate.

^I agree.
Maybe they need more time to do something that might actually gain them something in their life.

[MeanBastard]

I think that your problem, th5418, is that you think much too highly of yourself and the work that you do. Highschool isn't something that comes naturally to some people, like doing work and making friends. Sometimes people have too much pressure put on to them and can't handle it.

Not everyone is as wonderful and perfect as you, and not everyone can finish high school.

Sometimes people have to drop out and get a job to support their families, or maybe they have something more important (in their opinion) than school. Like taking time off to do something more. Like inventing something...

And it's not like these people don't want to finish high school, a lot of them wait until they're adults and financially able to start going to high school again, then they graduate.

Yeah, I should tone it down a bit? Toned down. *cries* Someone help me, my friends are all pressuring me. I guess I'll do drugs. *smokes pot*

[MeanBastard]

Well that's your opinion. Not all people think the same way you do.

No shi*t sherlock. This is all about your opinions. Don't you understand what debates are? Expressing your opinon.

[inthemudhole]

Yeah, I should tone it down a bit? Toned down. *cries* Someone help me, my friends are all pressuring me. I guess I'll do drugs. *smokes pot*

Your sarcasm isn't cute.
That actually does happen, however, and it does not make them stupid, it makes them naive at the time. Doesn't make them stupid.

[sporadic]

Yeah, I should tone it down a bit? Toned down. *cries* Someone help me, my friends are all pressuring me. I guess I'll do drugs. *smokes pot*

I never said you should tone down.

Maybe stop being a self-important poopface, that'd be an improvement.

Just because not all people are up to your brilliant standards, no reason to hate people for reasons they can't always control.

[*AngelicEyz00*]

rofl... th5418, you make me laugh... i guess i can see what you're trying to say, but it seems like you're not even trying to understand what we have they have to say about the whole distraction, addiction, familty problems thing

[inthemudhole]

Just because not all people are up to your brilliant standards, no reason to hate people for reasons they can't always control.

^Yeah.
You should hate people just because they're stuck in a sh1tty situation that they can't control, and can't get out of.
Doesn't make them stupid.

[sporadic]

No shi*t sherlock. This is all about your opinions. Don't you understand what debates are? Expressing your opinon.

Debate's not just opinions, debate is convincing some one else to believe in your opinions.

[MeanBastard]

Your sarcasm isn't cute.
That actually does happen, however, and it does not make them stupid, it makes them naive at the time. Doesn't make them stupid.

Stupid - Slow to learn or understand
- Tending to make poor decisions or careless mistakes.
If it takes you quite a while to learn that drugs are bad and you shouldnt do them. Yes, you are stupid.

[inthemudhole]

Stupid - Slow to learn or understand
If it takes you quite a while to learn that drugs are bad and you shouldnt do them. Yes, you are stupid.

^That's most likely YOUR definition of stupid.
And it's not always like that and that easy.
Maybe they weren't TAUGHT.
Maybe they don't HEAR OF THOSE THINGS.
A lot of this depends on where you live.

[MeanBastard]

^That's most likely YOUR definition of stupid.
And it's not always like that and that easy.
Maybe they weren't TAUGHT.
Maybe they don't HEAR OF THOSE THINGS.
A lot of this depends on where you live.

Its the dictionary's definition. Universal definition then eh? They were not taught drugs / unprotected sex is not wise? Okay... I'll just go along with that.

[inlonelinessidie]

No shi*t sherlock. This is all about your opinions. Don't you understand what debates are? Expressing your opinon.

Apparently you can't see when someone is letting you win in a debate. Simmer down assho1e.

[sporadic]

Stupid - Slow to learn or understand
- Tending to make poor decisions or careless mistakes.
If it takes you quite a while to learn that drugs are bad and you shouldnt do them. Yes, you are stupid.

Not stupid--- Unwise.
Kind of like you.
But I'm getting the impression that you're being judgemental and not open to other opinions just to make people angry. So this could be a half-hearted debate, at most.

[inlonelinessidie]

Not stupid--- Unwise.
Kind of like you.
But I'm getting the impression that you're being judgemental and not open to other opinions just to make people angry. So this could be a half-hearted debate, at most.

There is a lack of debate on this topic. It's more like a rumble lead by a very narrow minded kid who only wants to win and not hear anyone else's opinion.

[*AngelicEyz00*]

yeh.... let's stop member bashing and try not to get off topic...

[inthemudhole]

Yeah, it'd probably be best if we got back on topic.

[LilPiggi3]

Addiction problems? Hence, drug addict? Yes, you already are too stupid to live if you are doing drugs. Why the hell are you smoking and doing heroin or whatever. You're going to end up dead, and dead. Distractions from school? Whats distracting you? Girls? Guys? Yes, great reason for you to drop out. Family problems eh. Sure, I'll leave in one or two excpetions. Like if their mom has cancer and you are her only family. Friend problems. How exactly will your friend have you drop out. Back up some statements please.

Friends problem: EXAMPLE- you and your friends don't get along because she took your boyfriend [and you've been best friends since middle school]. The more you think about this the more angrier you get. You can't focus in school and you start failing. At this piont your friend is still ignoring you. You are very frustrated and start drinking. Soon enough you get addicted to the alcohol and drink it everyday. The daily drinks are giving you a harder time concentration wtih school work. Not to mention the cost of the drinks are shrinking the your bank account balance. A couple months pass...you are broke and you're classes are F- ...now you don't even have enough money to buy lunch. Your parents can't help at all because they have to pay the insurance, car, mortage, etc. What are you gonna do? Drop Out.

[MeanBastard]

Friends problem: EXAMPLE- you and your friends don't get along because she took your boyfriend [and you've been best friends since middle school]. The more you think about this the more angrier you get. You can't focus in school and you start failing. At this piont your friend is still ignoring you. You are very frustrated and start drinking. Soon enough you get addicted to the alcohol and drink it everyday. The daily drinks are giving you a harder time concentration wtih school work. Not to mention the cost of the drinks are shrinking the your bank account balance. A couple months pass...you are broke and you're classes are F- ...now you don't even have enough money to buy lunch. Your parents can't help at all because they have to pay the insurance, car, mortage, etc. What are you gonna do? Drop Out.

Sorry about my absense. I know I wasnt missed. Back on topic.

Get new friends. Obviously if she took away your love (right, love in highschool) she isnt exactly your friend.

[inthemudhole]

Sorry about my absense. I know I wasnt missed. Back on topic.

Get new friends. Obviously if she took away your love (right, love in highschool) she isnt exactly your friend.

Love usually starts to happen in high school, actually.
But back on topic.

Maybe they CAN'T get new friends.
Ever think of that one, smartass?

[LilPiggi3]

do you know how hard it is to make new friends...if someone is like me...a shy person who is quiet as a mouse around people she don't know...how the heck do you expect someone like that to make friends?

Anybody who turns to drugs right away is pretty stupid in my mind. I would turn to someone who can help me. AKA counseling..

Again...if someone is over-protective of themselves, it would be hard for them to open up and talk about it. or what if the issue hurts way too much discuss about. I know i can't talk about my grandparent's death to people.

[MeanBastard]

Love usually starts to happen in high school, actually.
But back on topic.

Maybe they CAN'T get new friends.
Ever think of that one, smartass?

They cant get new friends? Tell me why they cant.

[inlonelinessidie]

They cant get new friends? Tell me why they cant.

Why are loners loners?

[MeanBastard]

do you know how hard it is to make new friends...if someone is like me...a shy person who is quiet as a mouse around people she don't know...how the heck do you expect someone like that to make friends?

Maybe you should toughen up a bit. Try to get more outgoing?

[MeanBastard]

Why are loners loners?

Because they are not out going enough. Or they refuse to be out going. If the loners would hang out with the other loners. They wouldn't be loners.

[leeeza702]

Debate's not just opinions, debate is convincing some one else to believe in your opinions.

5 entries found for debate.
de·bate    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (d-bt)
v. de·bat·ed, de·bat·ing, de·bates
v. intr.
To consider something; deliberate.
To engage in argument by discussing opposing points.
To engage in a formal discussion or argument. See Synonyms at discuss.
Obsolete. To fight or quarrel.

v. tr.
To deliberate on; consider.
To dispute or argue about.
To discuss or argue (a question, for example) formally.
Obsolete. To fight or argue for or over.

n.
A discussion involving opposing points; an argument.
Deliberation; consideration: passed the motion with little debate.
A formal contest of argumentation in which two opposing teams defend and attack a given proposition.
Obsolete. Conflict; strife. 

Definition of 'debate' via www.dictionary.com

but anyways... I can see where th5418 is coming from on some of his 'arguements'...

I too think that becoming pregnant at a young age is also 'stupid' (note that I said I think)... but then again, they end up with the consequences of what they did... I've taken note of how many people are saying that if you get pregnant at a young age, they are naive because they weren't thinking... I think that if you don't think before you act, it's stupid.. and yes I know that we're all human and that we all make mistakes... but I know that most of my mistakes were because I wasn't thinking which was pretty stupid of me... let's take for example someone cheating on you... you find out... and you ask your boyfriend/girlfriend why they did what they did... and they reply with.. "I don't know... I wasn't thinking"... wouldn't you think that that was a stupid reason to why they did what they did??

[inthemudhole]

They cant get new friends? Tell me why they cant.

Not everything is this f*cking easy.
Maybe they're not "accepted" at school by any group, and no one wants to befriend them.

[LilPiggi3]

It not easy to be out going...because not everyone can open their mouth and say 'hi'. And sometimes it's hard for someone who is used to be independent and soft to 'toughen' up

[inlonelinessidie]

Because they are not out going enough. Or they refuse to be out going. If the loners would hang out with the other loners. They wouldn't be loners.

Oh yes because life is so easy, that everything you say will come true.

[inthemudhole]

Exactly.
Some people are just BORN shy and are lucky enough to have the friends that they have.. and once they lose/get rid of them, it's pretty damned hard for them to get more.

It's hard to overcome shyness.
Seriously, it is.
Not everyone can be out-going.
And a lot of out-going people are annoying.

[MeanBastard]

Yes, you are all right. Shyness is hard to overcome. THe answer to everything is drugs and beer and unsafe sex.

[inlonelinessidie]

Yes, you are all right. Shyness is hard to overcome. THe answer to everything is drugs and beer and unsafe sex.

When did we ever say that? We simply stated that some people turn to that. Did we ever say all?

[inthemudhole]

Yes, you are all right. Shyness is hard to overcome. THe answer to everything is drugs and beer and unsafe sex.

Once again, your sarcasm is not cute.
Stop making fun of situations that actually happen.
That's immature.

[MeanBastard]

Oh okay then. I'll rephrase. Again. You are all right. I am wrong. Thank you for bringing me into the light. Now someone close this.

[LilPiggi3]

Yes, you are all right. Shyness is hard to overcome. THe answer to everything is drugs and beer and unsafe sex.

does this mean drugs, beer, and unsafe sex are the amin reason for high school drop outs?

[inthemudhole]

Oh okay then. I'll rephrase. Again. You are all right. I am wrong. Thank you for bringing me into the light. Now someone close this.

^K, we're not impressed by your sarcasm, so you can stop.

[MeanBastard]

^K, we're not impressed by your sarcasm, so you can stop.

I have no idea why your sarcasm detector is going wild. But I am not being the least bit saracastic.

[inthemudhole]

I have no idea why your sarcasm detector is going wild. But I am not being the least bit saracastic.

It's pretty damned obvious you're being sarcastic.

does this mean drugs, beer, and unsafe sex are the amin reason for high school drop outs?

^I don't think so. There are many other reasons.

IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU LIVE.

[inlonelinessidie]

It's obvious he/she doesn't have anything else to say nor finds something to pick a fight with us about.