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post Aug 13 2004, 04:48 PM
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i know there this topic about this in lounge but i wanted only serious reponses, and i'm asking something different anyway

do you think pot should be legal?
if yes, what good will come out of it?
do you aprove people using it?
have you ever tried it?

i tihnk it should be legal because there is good that will come out of it:
*it would be safer. people would not have to buy from dealers where they didn't know where it had come from.
*there really won't be any dealers. do you see alcohol and cigarettes dealers on the the side of street? you don't
*there would be less pressure to do it
*while the police are busting the marijuana deal, they are missing the crack or herion deal over the next street (okay, that's an exaggeration)
they could focus on the bigger issues.
*taxes!
*cigarettes and alcohol do more damage than marijuana, but they are legal
*most people don't it to be 'cool'. everyone has different effects on it. some peopel said they do it because it helps them eat, sleep, foucus, and get rid of stress.
*illegal drugs are more tempting to do, well i think.
*free up jail cells

what do you think?
 
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post Aug 13 2004, 06:29 PM
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I would like to quote Bob Burnquist and Jen O'brien on this one. And I quote:
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Marijuana can be used for fuel, for medicine, even for food. Oh yeah, it also makes people feel good. There is so much we can do with it.

I agree with what Burnquist and O'brien have to say about this, but I also agree with what the politicians say. They believe that if they legalize Marijuana, that it may lead people to start doing other drugs that are more harmful. Now that's the only point I agree with, I don't agree with the fact that it can kill people. Sure it can do so but cigarettes do that as well. They also say that it can be very harmful if you are driving under the influence . . . but doesn't alcohol do that as well? And aren't cigarettes and alcohol both legal?

So in conclusion, I say legalize it. The government should stop being greedy because they know that it's an plant and that they can't tax us on that.
 
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do you think pot should be legal?
in some cases. like, medical maijuanna. other than that, no
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if yes, what good will come out of it?
medical purposes
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do you aprove people using it?
no i dont, only for medical purposes. if you do it for the heck of it, that it can lead to more other dangerous drugs
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have you ever tried it?

no
 
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post Aug 14 2004, 05:08 AM
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Post should be legal, by it's self it is harmless, aside from brain cells and tar. it is no more dangerous than drinking, and that is legal. Drinking is also the number one killer of people under thirty. But drinking is the cause of self-pity and that is what should be outlawed.
 
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post Aug 15 2004, 04:58 PM
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QUOTE(airam @ Aug 13 2004, 2:48 PM)
*free up jail cells

laugh.gif LOL I didn't read that before . . . you've got a point there.
 
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post Aug 15 2004, 05:07 PM
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All drugs should be legal ... at least in the privacy of your own homes. Enforcing laws against coercion is itself coercive, and does more harm than the behavior it seeks to prevent.

Drugs were legal until the late 60s. Since then the poverty rate has multipleid three fold and the murder rate twofold.
 
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post Aug 15 2004, 05:12 PM
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QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Aug 15 2004, 3:07 PM)
All drugs should be legal ... at least in the privacy of your own homes. Enforcing laws against coercion is itself coercive, and does more harm than the behavior it seeks to prevent.

Drugs were legal until the late 60s. Since then the poverty rate has multipleid three fold and the murder rate twofold.

I totally agree that making them illegal causes more harm.
 
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post Aug 15 2004, 05:54 PM
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All drugs should be legal. If people want to kill themselves faster it is their decision. I think its great.
 
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post Aug 15 2004, 06:01 PM
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QUOTE(th5418 @ Aug 15 2004, 3:54 PM)
All drugs should be legal. If people want to kill themselves faster it is their decision. I think its great.

If drugs were all about killing yourself . . . then why are some helpful?
 
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post Aug 15 2004, 06:02 PM
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if they do drugs legal then.... the crack heads are gonna try and get the kids to do it.... but after 20 years from now if it becomes legal now, no1 will be really do drugs cuz its legal and no1 cares and stuff... or something like that.
 
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post Aug 15 2004, 06:03 PM
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QUOTE(inlonelinessidie @ Aug 15 2004, 6:01 PM)
If drugs were all about killing yourself . . . then why are some helpful?

They are helpful, to a certain extent. Unless of course overdosing on Nyquil is helpful. But as of this moment, we are talking about the illegal ones.
 
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i dont think they should be legal, not even cigarrettes should be legal...at any ages. its bad for ur health, smokin em is just making yu die slow.
 
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post Aug 15 2004, 07:17 PM
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People killed by Marijuana: 0
People killed by government agents in the War on Drugs: 178 American Citizens since 1969, thousands of foreign nationals
People killed indirectly in the War on Drugs: Estimates between 20,000 and 40,000 a year.
Nonviolent people who do not belong in jail put in jail over the War on Drugs: 900,000 a year.
Property seized in the War on Drugs: $1.5 billion a year
Percentage of said property that belonged to individuals who were never convicted of a crime: 80%
Bill of Rights Amendments violated in the War on Drugs: 9

When you use drugs you only hurt yourself. Enforcing laws against drugs do MORE DAMAGE to you than the drugs themselves.
 
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post Aug 15 2004, 07:23 PM
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marijuana is basically illegal only when they see you have it in your hand.
 
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post Aug 15 2004, 07:43 PM
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QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Aug 15 2004, 7:17 PM)
People killed by Marijuana: 0
People killed by government agents in the War on Drugs: 178 American Citizens since 1969, thousands of foreign nationals
People killed indirectly in the War on Drugs: Estimates between 20,000 and 40,000 a year.
Nonviolent people who do not belong in jail put in jail over the War on Drugs: 900,000 a year.
Property seized in the War on Drugs: $1.5 billion a year
Percentage of said property that belonged to individuals who were never convicted of a crime: 80%
Bill of Rights Amendments violated in the War on Drugs: 9

When you use drugs you only hurt yourself. Enforcing laws against drugs do MORE DAMAGE to you than the drugs themselves.

Where in the hell did you get the first statistic?
Where in the hell did you get ANY statistic?
 
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post Aug 15 2004, 07:45 PM
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All statistics are from either The Constitution Society (www.constitution.org) or Ten Thigns You Can't Say in America by Larry Elder. The forfeiture statistics are from Forfeiture Endangers American Rights (FEAR -- a citizens' watch organization -- www.fear.org). The BIll of Rights is my own statistic. It's not hard to derive.
 
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post Aug 15 2004, 07:52 PM
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i think it should be legal. that way all these dumba$$ potheads won't think they're badass anymore so they'll stop. also, at this point in time, if it were to become legal, everyone who smokes it would go buy alot which would help the economy to some effect, right?

i'm way against it (as my siggy clearly states) and i want everyone to stop using it. people could be doing productive things, but they smoke pot instead. if we make it legal it wouldn't be as fun and no one would to it anymore, therfore i'm for it's legalization.

and i've never used it happy.gif
 
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post Aug 15 2004, 09:01 PM
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i think it would be ok for it to be legal cause it would take off some peer presure. but i also think people shud know how much to take and when is too much. cause it does mess you up.

no i have not tried it and im not planning on it
 
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Sure, why not? As Minda said, the number of deaths has increased since drugs have been made illegal. Furthermore, we can use it for a number of things. *Points to previous posts* And if you want to abuse it, fine with me. Just don't get me involved with it. It's your decision to kill yourself. Heh. Same goes with smoking.
 
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QUOTE(inlonelinessidie @ Aug 13 2004, 6:29 PM)
I would like to quote Bob Burnquist and Jen O'brien on this one. And I quote:

I agree with what Burnquist and O'brien have to say about this, but I also agree with what the politicians say. They believe that if they legalize Marijuana, that it may lead people to start doing other drugs that are more harmful. Now that's the only point I agree with, I don't agree with the fact that it can kill people. Sure it can do so but cigarettes do that as well. They also say that it can be very harmful if you are driving under the influence . . . but doesn't alcohol do that as well? And aren't cigarettes and alcohol both legal?

So in conclusion, I say legalize it. The government should stop being greedy because they know that it's an plant and that they can't tax us on that.

I agree with you. Stole the words from my mouth...er...thoughts..?
 
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QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Aug 16 2004, 7:07 AM)
All drugs should be legal ... at least in the privacy of your own homes. Enforcing laws against coercion is itself coercive, and does more harm than the behavior it seeks to prevent.

Drugs were legal until the late 60s. Since then the poverty rate has multipleid three fold and the murder rate twofold.

i agree. and theres less pressure when itz legal instead of illegal yea?
 
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Yeah... let's all just get stoned off our asses and lose all common sense. That's smart.
 
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QUOTE(omg_melface @ Aug 17 2004, 2:50 PM)
Yeah... let's all just get stoned off our asses and lose all common sense. That's smart.

lets all get drunk too
 
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Yeah... let's all just get stoned off our asses and lose all common sense. That's smart.

Yeah, but the thing is, it'll be less appealing to people if it's not hard to get. Most people do it because they want to feel above the law and do something illegal.

Edit // Also, it'll be their decision to smoke it. I mean, it shouldn't matter...it won't affect you much, you know?
 
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One joint has the same effect on your lungs than an entire pack of cigarettes does.... and it's a negative effect...

Marijuana being legal would be very stupid... I mean.. there goes all the potheads' lives, right? If they do marijuana and they get caught or locked up or some ****... then okay they are in there for a while and they have a chance to put their life back together...
 
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One joint has the same effect on your lungs than an entire pack of cigarettes does.... and it's a negative effect...

Cigarrettes are more addicting than pot. People die every year from cigarette smoking, but no one dies from smoking marijuana.
 
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post Aug 17 2004, 05:21 PM
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After you are in jail, it is on your record forever. It will be basically impossible for you attend a good college, or get a decent job. Most people, after leaving jail, end up on government welfare, where we taxpayers pay their way for the rest of their lives. While in jail, they might learn to be violent criminals, and commit REAL crimes down the line, which further causes social harms and harms themselves as well. As nice in theory as it is, very few people manage to put their lives together after spending a long time in jail. On the other hand, a lot of people manage to put their lives together -- on their own -- after using marijuana. Some of them ended up being President of the United States (you know, if you abbreviate President Of The United States, you get POT US). Moreover, a lot of people are punished by civil asset forfeiture in addition to jail -- In other words, the government TAKES ALL YOUR PROPERTY AND DOESN'T HAVE TO GIVE YOU A LAWYER. It's almost imopssible to rebuild your life when you own nothing, are on the street, and have 10-year-jail sentence behind you. Even worse, many pot smokers are actually given LIFE sentences now. How do you put your life together when you are in jail for life? Look up the cases of Lonnie Lundy and Debbie Vineyard.

Plus, the ONLY way to enforce laws against drugs is to invade people's Constitutionally-guaranteed privacy. Drugs are a victimless crime, after all. In other crimes, you have a victim to report the crime. But there is no victim in drug abuse. So the only way to conduct a war on it is to vioalte people's rights -- which in the end causes more harm than drugs do. Remember, ALL drugs were legal up until the 1960s. In the 1920s, we tried to launch a war against one drug -- alcohol -- which ended in a bloody failure. Since the War on Drugs began in the late 60s, the poverty rate has jumped from 5% to 15%, the murder rate has doubled, and the rate of Americna in jail has climbed to 0.7% -- more than any other country, and most of the people in American jails have never harmed another human being. Drugs have been legal for 200 years -- and our country did fine. The War on Drugs is as Unconstitutional as it is Unamerican.

“Prohibition goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man’s appetite by legislation and makes crimes out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded.”
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QUOTE(Kathleen @ Aug 17 2004, 5:19 PM)

Cigarrettes are more addicting than pot. People die every year from cigarette smoking, but no one dies from smoking marijuana.

Where do you hear that?
 
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It's a scientific fact -- even the government admits it. Even the official government drug propaganda says that marijuana will only slow your reaction time and make you not care about life. If marijauna could kill you, it makes sense that anti-drug ads would SAY that wouldn't it?


Notice the two peaks -- one is Prohibition, the other is the War on Drugs.
 
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Where do you hear that?

Source: http://www.healthfinder.gov/news/newsstory.asp?docID=515211

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Even so, evidence suggests smoking pot is much safer than smoking cigarettes, he says. "One of the reasons is that marijuana is not inherently as addictive as tobacco because it doesn't contain nicotine. Many more people get addicted to tobacco smoking than marijuana smoking."


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In a Swedish study, researchers found no link between marijuana use among more than 45,000 male military conscripts, aged 18 to 20, and their death rates over the next 15 years. Another study of 65,171 men and women enrolled in the Kaiser Permanente health plan found that, with the exception of AIDS patients, marijuana users were not more likely than others to die over a 10-year period.
 
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The not dying part. I'm too lazy to read the article ><
 
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Well its not as likely. Not that flat out dont die due to marijuana smoking.
 
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Okay, point me out a situation where someone died from smoking marijuana. Of course, there are people that die from getting in a car and driving under the influence of marijuana, but no one has died from only smoking it.
 
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They don't ... There has never been a respectable study done showing that people die from marijuana.
 
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QUOTE(Kathleen @ Aug 17 2004, 5:34 PM)
Okay, point me out a situation where someone died from smoking marijuana. Of course, there are people that die from getting in a car and driving under the influence of marijuana, but no one has died from only smoking it.

Well, when I read your statement, my brain makes it as "Nobody dies from marijuana smoking or influence."
 
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Marijuana makes you more likely to engage in risky behavior like overeating and reaction-slowing, but it won't kill you if you just sit there and smoke it.
 
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(Adding onto this) ...where as you can get lung cancer and die from cigarette smoking. So if cigarettes are more harmful, why are they legalized? Why not legalize marijuana? Besides, pot has a positive influence as well. Just ask doctors who'd like to give it to their patients to use.
 
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QUOTE(Kathleen @ Aug 17 2004, 3:44 PM)
So if cigarettes are more harmful, why are they legalized? Why not legalize marijuana?

Because people can grow it in the privacy of their own home and the government cannot benefit from that. Greedy people _dry.gif
 
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Why are they greedy? Bad greed is when you want to TAKE things belonging to someone else. It's not wanting to KEEP things that you already own -- that's called pragmatism.
 
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Because people can grow it in the privacy of their own home and the government cannot benefit from that. Greedy people

So are you going to stop people from planting their own vegetables or flowers in their backyard?
 
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QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Aug 17 2004, 3:49 PM)
Why are they greedy? Bad greed is when you want to TAKE things belonging to someone else. It's not wanting to KEEP things that you already own -- that's called pragmatism.

I was talking about the government y'all. blink.gif

QUOTE(Kathleen @ Aug 17 2004, 3:50 PM)
So are you going to stop people from planting their own vegetables or flowers in their backyard?

I was talking about the governmernment. huh.gif


//EDIT: I'm so for legalizing it. Haven't you read my posts?
 
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Oh haha. I read it the wrong way. pinch.gif I see what you mean now.
 
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QUOTE(omg_melface @ Aug 17 2004, 4:50 PM)
Yeah... let's all just get stoned off our asses and lose all common sense. That's smart.

did you read what i said?
not everyone does pot to be 'cool'.
it has different effects on different people.
 
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any drug that can spread its effects on others without their permission should be illegal. i dont want to inhale mary jane or any type of smoke when im breathing! it goes against my unalienable rights of being a homosabian, the right to breath clean air and live.
 
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QUOTE(Mini @ Aug 17 2004, 5:17 PM)
any drug that can spread its effects on others without their permission should be illegal. i dont want to inhale mary jane or any type of smoke when im breathing! it goes against my unalienable rights of being a homosabian, the right to breath clean air and live.

Heard of no smoking sections? Same rules would be applied.
 
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So just beat them with a stick? mellow.gif
 
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QUOTE(inlonelinessidie @ Aug 17 2004, 7:49 PM)
Heard of no smoking sections? Same rules would be applied.

Actually smoke particles can travel around the world in just 5 weeks if it can be caught in a jet stream. So basically if drugs were legal, it would become a habit for most people to start smoking everywhere causing more smoke build up in the air.

Right now you could be inhaling smoke molecules inside your lungs. Just think, smokers are increasing the chances of you getting lung cancer right now. Even with laws, the pollution is still increasing and smoking is just increasing the pollution causing the air to be toxic.
 
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QUOTE(Mini @ Aug 17 2004, 5:59 PM)
So basically if drugs were legal, it would become a habit for most people to start smoking everywhere causing more smoke build up in the air.

Not true. That isn't the case with cigarettes otherwise most would be addicted to them. And by most I mean more then now. So how do you know it would be the case with pot?
 
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QUOTE(inlonelinessidie @ Aug 17 2004, 8:05 PM)
Not true.  That isn't the case with cigarettes otherwise we would all be addicted to them; so how do you know it would be the case with pot.

That's because we are inhaling small amounts of nicotine and because it is indirect. That's why people aren't getting addicted. People don't receive enough nicotine each moment for the chemical to cause a sensation and most people don't know that they are inhaling it in the first place.

The main active chemical in marijuana is THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol). The membranes of certain nerve cells in the brain contain protein receptors that bind to THC. Once securely in place, THC kicks off a series of cellular reactions that ultimately lead to the high that users experience when they smoke marijuana.

As I said, since it is indirect. There isn't alot of amounts of THC inhaled. However, if drugs became legal. More and more people would start smoking it. More drug dealers would arise and sell more drugs without going to jail. Soon enough, the chemical build up would be enough to cause people to feel its affects INDIRECTLY because of those high amounts of chemicals in the air. THC cause people to be high, with no sense of judgement or direction, that would eventually lead to many deaths.

Read this http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofax/marijuana.html for the side effects and statistics.

Even medicine has its side-effects, but people know the risks before using it and its their decision. If it doesn't affect other peoples' lives, then so be it. But even medicine can be abused.
 
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QUOTE(Mini @ Aug 17 2004, 8:14 PM)
More drug dealers would arise and sell more drugs without going to jail.

drug dealers? what drug dealer sells LEGAL drugs?
i think there would be less dealers. you don't see tobacco dealers, do you?

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any drug that can spread its effects on others without their permission should be illegal. i dont want to inhale mary jane or any type of smoke when im breathing! it goes against my unalienable rights of being a homosabian, the right to breath clean air and live.

i don't know here you live, but in america, the air is already messed up as it is.
 
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QUOTE(airam @ Aug 17 2004, 6:20 PM)
drug dealers? what drug dealer sells LEGAL drugs?
i think there would be less dealers. you don't see tobacco dealers, do you?

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i don't know here you live, but in america, the air is already messed up as it is.

Yeah exactly.
 
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drug dealers? what drug dealer sells LEGAL drugs?
i think there would be less dealers. you don't see tobacco dealers, do you?


That's because THEY MAKE COMPANIES that ISSUE more DRUGS. First, they are drug dealers. Then, when they make enough cash, they would start forming companies that sell marijuana. That's why you dont see tobacco dealers, because they can't distribute enough tobacco as the COMPANIES. Thus, more people would get marijuanna because since its legal like tobacco and alchohol, more people can get their hands on it.

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i don't know here you live, but in america, the air is already messed up as it is.


Yes, I do live in America. However, I rather breath air that is full of toxic wastes than air that is full of toxic wastes and THC, nicotine, and other chemicals added to that.
 
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QUOTE(Mini @ Aug 17 2004, 8:14 PM)
As I said, since it is indirect. There isn't alot of amounts of THC inhaled. However, if drugs became legal. More and more people would start smoking it. More drug dealers would arise and sell more drugs without going to jail. Soon enough, the chemical build up would be enough to cause people to feel its affects INDIRECTLY because of those high amounts of chemicals in the air. THC cause people to be high, with no sense of judgement or direction, that would eventually lead to many deaths.

First, a government site isn't reliable when the government is the agency in question of wrongdoing. Second, even if marijuana was so bad for you, enforcing laws against use is infinitely worse. Under civil asset forfeiture, your neighbor can anonymously report you -- and the police can take all your property without a trial. You do not even have the right to a lawyer since technically your property is the thing under arrest. Never mind that the use of forfeiture was a main reason that we overthrew the British. A city or township can enact public ordinances that FINE people for smoking marijuana IN PUBLIC (many cities have similar ordinances against smoking) -- but the choice to do it in the privacy of your own home is yours and yours alone.
 
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But do you realize how much it would boost the economy? Besides, as I said before, it'd be your decision to smoke or not. I mean, dealers aren't going to force you to do drugs. It wouldn't affect you.
 
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kathleen is right.
or maybe the groverment can put TAXES on it. you know how much the grovenment loves taxes.

and if you wondering about what good can pot do (really interesting read), http://www.doitnow.org/pages/124.html
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What THC does do is relieve the severe nausea and vomiting caused by powerful anti-cancer chemicals. Of at least 20 studies completed so far, nine showed THC superior to traditional anti-nausea drugs, while another five found it equally effective.


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Many of pot's ingredients — particularly the cannabinoids — are poorly understood, even today. That's the reason that establishing which ingredients produce what effects is still an uncertain process.

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Another reason is that most of marijuana's therapeutic effects-including its ability to improve appetite, reduce nausea and muscle spasms, and relieve pressure within the eye-are mediated and modified by its interaction with the central nervous system.

(and don't give that 'not everything on the internet is true!' ****.)
 
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QUOTE(Kathleen @ Aug 17 2004, 8:32 PM)
But do you realize how much it would boost the economy? Besides, as I said before, it'd be your decision to smoke or not. I mean, dealers aren't going to force you to do drugs. It wouldn't affect you.

Yes, but if you smoke it. The chemicals get air borne, so basically for those who don't want to inhale it, inhale it anyways.

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and if you wondering about what good can pot do (really interesting read), http://www.doitnow.org/pages/124.html


Medicine gets abused even aspirin. Too much of anything can do more harm than good. Hey if they ever make marijuanna in pills, fine by me, they can use it to their heart's content. However, right now marijuanna is smoked, therefore the chemicals get in the air and into the lungs of others.

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A city or township can enact public ordinances that FINE people for smoking marijuana IN PUBLIC (many cities have similar ordinances against smoking) -- but the choice to do it in the privacy of your own home is yours and yours alone.


Why would they fine you if it was legal? Wouldn't you use it in public more often if it was legalized?
 
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QUOTE(Mini @ Aug 17 2004, 6:53 PM)
Why would they fine you if it was legal? Wouldn't you use it in public more often if it was legalized?

Because people like you would complain because of their lungs.
 
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QUOTE(inlonelinessidie @ Aug 17 2004, 9:34 PM)
Because people like you would complain because of their lungs.


Yes. Therefore it should be illegal. If it was legal, I don't get why the individuals who use marijuanna would be obligated to pay the fine. Only if it was illegal, then it would make sense.

I think there should be laws against the use of tobacco and even more laws for alchohol. Not alot of people are enforcing that a person shouldn't drive when they are intoxicated with alchohol, it should be regurlarly enforced. Tobacco should be deemed illegal.
 
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Yes, but if you smoke it. The chemicals get air borne, so basically for those who don't want to inhale it, inhale it anyways.


Medicine gets abused even aspirin. Too much of anything can do more harm than good. Hey if they ever make marijuanna in pills, fine by me, they can use it to their heart's content. However, right now marijuanna is smoked, therefore the chemicals get in the air and into the lungs of others.


All that only happens if you smoke IN PUBLIC. In private -- that is, on your own property -- you should be allowed to smoke whatever you want. If someone breathes the smoke, that's because they chose to come to your property.

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Why would they fine you if it was legal? Wouldn't you use it in public more often if it was legalized?


No. When somethings is illegal, it means you can't use it. Ever. And if you do, they can put you in jail. However, a township can enact a public air ordinance to prohibits smoking in public. As opposed to a penal law (which has the power to regulate what people do in their own homes and put them in jail), an ordinance doesn't govern people -- it governs land.

When a city passes a law making it so that you can be fined for smoking marijuana in public, it's like if a restaurant makes a rule that you can't smoke in the restaurant -- it's not making something illegal, it's just restricting what you can use on someone else's property (the city or restaurant).

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Yes. Therefore it should be illegal. If it was legal, I don't get why the individuals who use marijuanna would be obligated to pay the fine. Only if it was illegal, then it would make sense.

I think there should be laws against the use of tobacco and even more laws for alchohol. Not alot of people are enforcing that a person shouldn't drive when they are intoxicated with alchohol, it should be regurlarly enforced. Tobacco should be deemed illegal.


The last time we deemed alcohol illegal, over 10 thousand Americans died every year because of it, while entire cities were head basically at gunpoint by corrupt crime bosses. The same thing is happening (albeit on a smaller scale) with the War on Drugs -- drug lords essentailly own poor inner-city areas, something that didn't happen before drugs were illegal. The same thing would happen with tobacc.

Penal law is designed to punish crime -- i.e. when you actively and intentionally hurt someone else. It's not designed for drugs. After all -- in common notions of justice, the punishment fits the crime (You commit murder, you are murdered, you rob, you pay back your victim). How would you have punishment fit the crime of doing drugs? You do drugs, you force others to do drugs?

A city should have the right to make people pay a fine for using marijuana IN PUBLIC -- but it is their own right to use it in private. By making a drug illegal, you are interferring with people's civil right to their own body, and their property right to do what they want ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY.

A local ordinance that puts a fine on public drunkenness is not the same as a national law abolishing alcohol. Similarly, I have no problem with a city deciding to not allow marijuana use on city property -- public roads, parks, etc.

It all comes down to property rights -- If you don't want someone to do drugs on your property, then don't let them. But you don't have the right to tell someone what they can do on THEIR property -- which is the key difference.
 
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Thanks for explaining that to me Comrade Red. happy.gif

Anyways, I have a question in what you said.

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A city should have the right to make people pay a fine for using marijuana IN PUBLIC -- but it is their own right to use it in private. By making a drug illegal, you are interferring with people's civil right to their own body, and their property right to do what they want ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY.


Yet, if they smoked marijuanna whether in public or in their property, the chemicals would still be in the air. Chemicals can travel in the air around the world. Wouldn't their actions cause interferrence of other's civil rights to their bodies? Like I said, if they made marijuanna in pills, then fine, they can use it to their heart's content.

Also, I do agree with you in what will happen if we outlawed the drugs and alchohol yet informing people that it is illegal might restrain some from using them more often or ever trying it.

Even though alchohol doesn't affect others' bodies, I just a law that states a person shouldn't drive when intoxicated with alchohol.
 
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i think it should be legalized // hey if you wanna screw up your life, then go ahead...and plus isnt it used for medicine too?
 
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I never tried it and I have no intentions in doing so.

of course marijuana should be illegal. it's addictive and it's a drug that effects your body physically and mentally.
 
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Making marijuana legal will just end up legalizing cocaine, heroin, etc. All the bad stuff.
 
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So? All the "bad stuff" was legal until the 60s, and we have a greater drug (and poverty, and crime, and human rights, etc.) problem now.

If you are against, drugs, don't use them.
 
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QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Aug 30 2004, 11:26 AM)
So? All the "bad stuff" was legal until the 60s, and we have a greater drug (and poverty, and crime, and human rights, etc.) problem now.

If you are against, drugs, don't use them.

Exactly. Don't use them, just like people who don't drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes/cigars.
 
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QUOTE(inlonelinessidie @ Aug 13 2004, 6:29 PM)
I would like to quote Bob Burnquist and Jen O'brien on this one. And I quote:

I agree with what Burnquist and O'brien have to say about this, but I also agree with what the politicians say. They believe that if they legalize Marijuana, that it may lead people to start doing other drugs that are more harmful. Now that's the only point I agree with, I don't agree with the fact that it can kill people. Sure it can do so but cigarettes do that as well. They also say that it can be very harmful if you are driving under the influence . . . but doesn't alcohol do that as well? And aren't cigarettes and alcohol both legal?

So in conclusion, I say legalize it. The government should stop being greedy because they know that it's an plant and that they can't tax us on that.

Took the words outta my mouth.

But doesn't marijuana do brain damage whereas cigarretes don't? ermm.gif
 
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do you think pot should be legal? No, all drugs should be illegalized.
if yes, what good will come out of it? Medical purposes?
do you approve people using it? Not if it's someone I care about.
have you ever tried it? No
 
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I strongly think pot should be legal...what good will come out of it? Well, people wouldn't have to "sneak" around to do it so much more and it should be your choice to do what you want and especially..it is a plant. Most of the population has or does do(ne) marijuana. Do i approve of people using it? Yes as long as they don't abuse it. Have I ever tried it? Yes
 
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if it were legalized true ther wud be less pressure and free up a lot of jail cells, but then it threatens other people because once its legalized, it'll be easy to access n ther be a lot of it on the streets. they wud need a whole new way to sell this drugs, because its too dangerous to jus sit ther and sell it like a normal store uno? a bunch of hardcore potheads come up tear up the dealer n steal it ya kno?
 
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There is a lot of Alcohol and cigarettes "on the streets". How often to nicotine addicts take their shotgun, break into 7-11 and steal their cigarettes? Why is it too dangerous to sell in a store?

In the 1920s and 1930s, when we abolished alcohol, a popular substitute was Heroin -- and Heroin was sold in stores, with NO PROBLEM whatsoever -- certainly Heroin is more dangerous than weed?
 
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heroin is more dangerous than weed. weed cant kill you short of an allergic reaction. when weed is laced with something else it becomes a different story. Pot should be legal. They should print surgeon generals warnings on the packages too.

Think how great it would be to smoke pot on your front porch without narcs raiding the place finding the bricks stacked high in the back. damn that was hard to explain.
 
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marijuana??? iz it legal??? now thatz one DUMB @$$ ? if u ask me evn tho u dydnt tongue.gif ... 1, itz a drug, 2 itz a drug yea, that can kill u, 3, in-fact NE drug can kill u!! n marijuana iz one uv them.. it can get u high.. read thys short poem::

jack n jill went up the hill
to fetch sum marijuana
jack got high unzipped hiz fly
n sed "do u wunna?"
jill sed yes n dropped her dress
n then they had sum fun
but silly jill 4got the pill
9 monthz l8r they had a son!!

C? it can get u high n then make u do wacko stuff that can cauz u to 'do it' lol n then have a babii afterwardz... SO I THYNK IT IZ ILLEGAL!!! WHICH IT IZ ALREADI!!!!

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We're asking if Marijuana SHOULD be legal, not whether it is.

Here's another poem for you:
Jack n Jill went up the hill
and their friend Bob used some marijuana
The DEA found out, raided Jack and Jill's house,
And said "we're going to take all your property",
Jill said no and tried to run,
but the DEA agents gunned her down,
And silly Jack thought he had rights,
so he was shot to death too.

--The sad truth is that my poem reflects real life better than yours... Enforcing laws against drugs does more harm than drugs could ever do.
 
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QUOTE(DaNgErOusLy_In_LuV @ Sep 3 2004, 10:44 AM)
marijuana??? iz it legal??? now thatz one DUMB @$$ ? if u ask me evn tho u dydnt tongue.gif ... 1, itz a drug, 2 itz a drug yea, that can kill u, 3, in-fact NE drug can kill u!!

You would have to smoke A LOT of marijuana for it to kill you. And I mean A LOT. Like an impossible amount. You would have to be smoking all day.
 
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thatz tru but then agen evn if u smoke it once or twice it iz styll affectin u in sum wai...

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And it affects you more if you are thrown in jail for ten years than if you smoked a few joints of marijuana.

When someone hurts himself, it is unfair to punish him ... after all that will just hurt him more.
 
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hell no legal naw legal marijuana is called an epidemic because that is what it would become
 
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