America, my opinion Options

[Akiko_Minagawa]

I think its messed upfor them to say we havefreedom of speech when the bleep out music and tell us what we can and cant say at school in some states you cant even wear hip huggers so why do the call it a free countryits like lying

[Akiko_Minagawa]

this countryis messed up

[IIO__oII]

dont double post.
at least it is not like afghanistan, or noth korea. be thankful

[inthemudhole]

Mleh.
No double-posting.
I don't really like this country (USA) either.. >_>

[sweetxsimplicity]

Yes, please don't double post.
Yeah, I think that too, but at least its more "freerer" then the other country (pshh..the person that runs the country is crazy)

[Akiko_Minagawa]

dont double post.
at least it is not like afghanistan, or south korea. be thankful

afganistan doesnt promise a free country does it

[juliar]

Look, America doesnt allow complete free speech.
What if someone came up to you, said all these offensive things about you, you say stop it, they say freedom of speech?
You have a misunderstanding of what Freedom of speech really means.

[DisneyPrincessKa...]

Oh no, they bleep out curse words! You don't get shot when you say you don't like Bush right? My point exactly.

[01-supergirl]

I like America, even though im not from there. hahas I love their shopping malls. =]

[IIO__oII]

for the hiphugger part-- you really want to see fat people's lovehandles plooping out of their lowcut tight designer jeans? maybe SOME schools want to be considerate...

[*CEP*]

Hey you ****ing m**er f****er shut the **** up before i take my foot and **** it **** ***** ****** ** ******!!

^ Now, would you really want the uncensored version of that to be heard by your 4 year old child?

Didn't think so.

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

[juliar]

fudge YOU BITCH GET A F*****G LIFE B***H YOU SUCK D**K OKAY? GO POSE FOR TUBGIRLS. YOU D**N A*******K YOU NEED TO GET A LIFE. EVERYONE KNOWS YOUR UGLY, SO fudge YOU.
Like that?
Freedom of speech.
By the way, I didn't mean nay of that.

Edit: Please dont use such foul language, remember, pg-13
Have a nice day. (cloudunionX)

[initial-seven]

fudge YOU B***H GET A F*****G LIFE B***H YOU SUCK D**K OKAY? GO POSE FOR TUBGIRLS. YOU D**N A******K YOU NEED TO GET A LIFE. EVERYONE KNOWS YOUR UGLY, SO fudge YOU.
Like that?
Freedom of speech.
By the way, I didn't mean nay of that.

god, that was harsh.....

btw, when the mean freedom of speech, they mean that you are entitled to your own opinion and you wont get like exectuted or get imprisoned for saying sumthin bad about the government , pres......

[f00LisH_h3aRt63]

seriously you shouldnt complain about little trivial things like that. there are many other countries in the world that have NO FREEDOM. not being able to wear what you want and things like that are things that children complain about. but thats ur opinion and yea.

jackie

[juliar]

god, that was harsh.....

Read the bottom.

[xscore]

fudge YOU BITCH GET A F*****G LIFE B***H YOU SUCK D**K OKAY? GO POSE FOR TUBGIRLS. YOU D**N A*******K YOU NEED TO GET A LIFE. EVERYONE KNOWS YOUR UGLY, SO fudge YOU.
Like that?
Freedom of speech.
By the way, I didn't mean nay of that.

that was....unnecesary...
and you werent funny....if thats what you were trying to be...

anyways...i dont think bleeping out curse words in music really applies to freedom of speech....but...thats just my opinion.. =/

[IIO__oII]

that was....unnecesary...
and you werent funny....if thats what you were trying to be...

anyways...i dont think bleeping out curse words in music really applies to freedom of speech....but...thats just my opinion.. =/

how is that being "funny?"
hes just trying to make a point...
psh. funny. ha

[xscore]

how is that being "funny?"
hes just trying to make a point...
psh. funny. ha

well, there are other ways to prove a point such as this, rather then cursing someone out and then saying u didnt mean it at the end...

oh btw, she can speak for herself. =]
no need for you to come to rescue

oh yea, and another thing~
what do u mean its not like afghanistan or south korea??
south korea and afghanistan are nothing alike..
go have a history lesson...

[dromero986]

god, that was harsh.....

btw, when the mean freedom of speech, they mean that you are entitled to your own opinion and you wont get like exectuted or get imprisoned for saying sumthin bad about the government , pres......

exactly.

freedom of speech is a privilege...not to be taken granted for

if this country was 'free' as you tkae the term for...it would be total chaos and we might as well not have a president (eh, i dont like bush anyway )

[sammi rules you]

I agree, but they should still bleep out things..just for little kids and stuff.

[Justingamemaster]

it's just a name

[Spirited Away]

Makes me wonder if you truly understand anything about real life or if you have any common sense.

Tell me, grasshopper, if you are free to do what you want, such as killing, and I'll do what I want, such as robbing every store or rape a man, then what would this country become?

With freedom, comes responsibility. HOWEVER, there are plenty of irresponsible son of bitches lurking around, therefore, we must all sacrifices some of our freedom to enjoy a safe and non-chaotic environment. See what I mean about common sense?

[dani41790]

wow good point. i agree with ya. but i guess its ok to bleep out stuff cuz of little kids

[xquizit]

Makes me wonder if you truly understand anything about real life or if you have any common sense.

Tell me, grasshopper, if you are free to do what you want, such as killing, and I'll do what I want, such as robbing every store or rape a man, then what would this country become?

With freedom, comes responsibility. HOWEVER, there are plenty of irresponsible son of bitches lurking around, therefore, we must all sacrifices some of our freedom to enjoy a safe and non-chaotic environment. See what I mean about common sense?

I knew exactly what I wanted to say about this but didn't really know where to start and how to say it all. But you pretty much took the words right out of my mouth.

If everyone was really FREE to do whatever the heck they wanted, this country may fall under total chaos. So of course, with every freedom, come some rules to abide by to keep things in order.

Be thankful that you even have this much freedom to begin with. Stop finding things to complain about. We're much more fortunate than other people in other countries.

[BeyondElite]

I like America. I mean Bush is not like Saddam Hussein, right? lol.

[rnrn897]

uhhh... better than iran.. the girls gotta cover their whole face..

[SkYlIneZx4xLiF]

the freedom of speech is kinda limited, but u can vote to uncensor u know

[vivieeeen]

uh... all those points above added up.

You know, in China, if you say something against the government.

guess what.. you die.

exciting isn't it? look what happened on the 4th of June that year... *shivers*

[wayne]

wtf... freedom of speech? first off.. we dont have any freedom.. we are only teenagers.. seccond.. if you get freedom of speach what will you say? and third.. hip huggers? unless you have curves like a coke bottle... dont whyne about it..

[Longhorn]

I like America. We are the only country that has as much freedom as we do. In France you can get arrested for wearing a cross. In Afghanistan women can be beaten for showing more skin than their eyes and nose. we have it great in America

[highly_evolved]

well i dont live there. but as people have said before i wouldnt want a little kid hearing all those cuss words.freedom of speech has limits as does everything else

[-x_X-]

Look, America doesnt allow complete free speech.
What if someone came up to you, said all these offensive things about you, you say stop it, they say freedom of speech?
You have a misunderstanding of what Freedom of speech really means.

I'm with you.

[Akiko_Minagawa]

Oh no, they bleep out curse words! You don't get shot when you say you don't like Bush right? My point exactly.

you could

[Akiko_Minagawa]

WHATS WRONG WITH YOU GUYS IM NOT TALKING ABOUT ANY OTHER COUNTRY THEY DIDNT PROMISE ANYTHING

[Spirited Away]

WHATS WRONG WITH YOU GUYS IM NOT TALKING ABOUT ANY OTHER COUNTRY THEY DIDNT PROMISE ANYTHING

Of course they do not promise anything because they do not have the freedom to do so.

We have a freedom to pursue happiness. Do you think our society will be a very happy place if everyone has the freedom to curse anywhere they want or shoot anything they see? What's wrong with your common sense???

[highly_evolved]

Of course they do not promise anything because they do not have the freedom to do so.

We have a freedom to pursue happiness. Do you think our society will be a very happy place if everyone has the freedom to curse anywhere they want or shoot anything they see? What's wrong with your common sense???

yep yep yep

[defjam_gangsta]

Greetings!!

personally, to me, freedom of speech is more like a gift than a right. take pride tat at least ya won't get shot at or something for sayin something against someone or wat. in other countries, ya won't get to see daylight if ya caught thinking abt it!! so dun abuse da gift given to us. it is not our rights either. if ya think ya da lone ranger here, pls be ma guess coz imma stickin to ma guns!! bang bang!!

CHEERS CB!!

[JustHere4NoReaso...]

Freedom of speech has it's limits. I mean, I don't want to listen to music with cuss words... O_o...

[mouse_3k]

we have stuff other countries dont..

-Money
-clean, fresh water
-enough food
-And if you dont want NE bleeping in music...simply download the song thts not censored


but w/e

I mean, I don't want to listen to music with cuss words... O_o...

I do!!!! its better then hearing *beep* like every 10 seconds lol and besides...idk i like the cuss words in music hehe im bad..

[GreenTze]

technologically behind. japan already has full-funtional robots and self-driving taxis.

[JlIaTMK]

u no what i finally have someone to agree with me.... i really dont like this country.... and it makes me angry and our leaders suck and this countries broken.... and it always will be.... american culture is like glass.... u see thro it but there isnt anything there

oh and that isnt my quote.... some famous person said it

and if u dont agree with me then its fine.... but dont try to argue with me cuz i wont listen.... this is my opinion.... u can have urs

i think this should be put in the debate forum....

[Spirited Away]

^^ It's "broken" because hypocritical people like you, who lives on its soil, defame it so.

[JlIaTMK]

no it was always broken.... "hypocritical ppl like me" only try to show in what ways it is

[*RiC3xBoy*]

i personally like america,i jsut dun like the people who r running it

[o_o*]

hmm. Im not really upset about it, I'm proud of America..

about the Iran thing. yeah. at least we dont have to cover our faces. in iran, if you uncover your face, all the men willl rape you. Thats how sick most of them are.

[xjjajeengx]

akiko or whatever your name is, first off, BACK OFF the double posting please this is your last warning. i've already seen someone warn you for double posting in this toipc already.

anyways. All i got to say is, if you hate this country so much, then dont live here, simply put. Its hypocritical how people say stuff like "I hate this I hate that" and yet they still do this and that.

and also, uninspiredfae<--- you are awesome im hundred percent behind your back.

[JlIaTMK]

akiko or whatever your name is, first off, BACK OFF the double posting please this is your last warning. i've already seen someone warn you for double posting in this toipc already.

anyways. All i got to say is, if you hate this country so much, then dont live here, simply put. Its hypocritical how people say stuff like "I hate this I hate that" and yet they still do this and that.

and also, uninspiredfae<--- you are awesome im hundred percent behind your back.

well some hypocritical ppl come here not because of their love but for certain other things like education

[Spirited Away]

no it was always broken.... "hypocritical ppl like me" only try to show in what ways it is

Show what? That America is still one of the only countries that allows you to burn it's flag? That in America, you can talk trash about the government and not get killed or thrown in prison?

Hypocrisy isn't in stating your like/dislike in something, your contradiction was in the fact that you live and enjoy America's freedom and then bash the very foundation of your enjoyment.

well some hypocritical ppl come here not because of their love but for certain other things like education

Uh... that totally didn't make sense. Initially, no one came here for their love of a country they have never lived in before. Initially, everyone came here for a purpose other than love for America. Initially, we all came to this land with the intent of making the best out of what freedom it offers. Education is one of such freedoms. Get it?

and also, uninspiredfae<--- you are awesome  im hundred percent behind your back.

Thank you, I mean, I hate it when people start trashing America in general. Sure, our government isn't perfect, but bash the government, NOT the country.

[elmogurly]

Well..no person is perfect. And people run America, therefore America has flaws....BLAH

[Guarneri]

US is awesome. just the people in america are a bit too spoiled.

[sadolakced acid]

your freedoms are suppost to stop the moment they infringe upon other's - that's why music is bleeped.

but as for clothing bans... i don't see how that's fair. but america isn't fair. far from it.

i think america is flawed. but at least i know i'm free. to some extent.


i still reserve the right to bash bush- people in iraq couldn't do that.

[Spirited Away]

i think america is flawed. but at least i know i'm free. to some extent.

Exactly. No country can be said to be completely 'free', but America comes closer than most countries in the world to the extent that our freedom are not infringed by the rights of others. Our system is flawed because each of us are flawed.

i still reserve the right to bash bush-  people in iraq couldn't do that.

Haha, cheers to that for you, I suppose.

[Guarneri]

This land is your land, this land is my land.. from california to the new york... highway? from the redwood forest... to the .. uhh uhh uhh.... This land was made for you and me......WOOOOOOOt.




GOOOOOOOOOODDDD BLEESS AMERICA... MY SWEET SWEEEEEEEEEEET HOME...............


lets all sing........ wheres your SPIRIT!?

[F1R3B4T]

tahst why im canadian!!

[LaRevolucion]

btw, when the mean freedom of speech, they mean that you are entitled to your own opinion and you wont get like exectuted or get imprisoned for saying sumthin bad about the government , pres......

Umm...actually you can get killed or arrested just for saying something against the government or how it's run.

Read the story on Gordon Kahl. It's horrifying.

http://www.constitution.org/abus/gkahl/kahl.htm

[sadolakced acid]

no, it's when you appear on radio or TV, you're tipping off athorities to where you are and what crimes you've done.

[LaRevolucion]

no, it's when you appear on radio or TV, you're tipping off athorities to where you are and what crimes you've done.

Are you referring to the story? If you were....I honestly didn't see that as a crime. He was only standing up for what he belived in. They had no right to treat him the way they did.

[sadolakced acid]

they have a right. it's called tax evation.

remeber the red scare? comradered should know about that.

the hunting of the communists? if they though you were communist or a communist sympathizer, then you could be arrested.

and did you know, the patriot act contains anti-freedoms, such as that?

they may hold you without regard to the constitution's bill of rights if you are a suspected terrorist or a material witness.

[ComradeRed]

they have a right. it's called tax evation.

If you read the story carefully, you'd realize that he never committed tax evasion. His income was so low that he did not have to file with the IRS. He simply ADVOCATED tax evasion, which is a different story altogether.

The Gordon Kahl Murder and other atrocities by the FBI make them the biggest threat to Americans today -- bigger than Al-Qaeda, communists, etc.

"We are THE most dangerous organization in this country."
--Former FBI Director Louis Freeh, explaining his resignation in 1997

[sadolakced acid]

ahh yes. i don't like the FBI. except for the x-files. that show is the best. well, the one with mulder.

income so low, don't have to file taxes. hmm. but advocating tax evation.

so how did they know his income, if he didn't file taxes?

it's like, not being a thief but advocating theft. not exactly a choice matyr for more freedom.

[ComradeRed]

Not really.

When the government taxes you, they forcibly take money from you. When you commit tax evasion, you just KEEP your own money -- you never take money from someone else.

If you remember, the American Revolution was started over a tax -- to be more precise, a tax of approximately 1.5% (1/30 of what we are paying today).

It's more so advocating resisting theft, not advocating theft.

[sadolakced acid]

although by law, the money is considered the US governments. which means, tax evation is theft.

[Mr. Psychotic]

what you said bout clean music is a censorship thing

[ComradeRed]

although by law, the money is considered the US governments.  which means, tax evation is theft.

No it's not. The money is onyl the government's after you pay.

Moreover, that is legal fiat. The Constitution clearly recognizes your money as your own. A law that goes against the COnstitution has just as much legitimacy as the "law" of when a robber breaks into your house and tells you to give him all of your money.

The Fifth Amendment: "No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law [i.e. a trial] ... nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

The means of raising money found in Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution clearly prohibit a direct tax -- a government is not allowed to raise money by taking private property from individuals -- only by taxing trade (i.e. tariffs) and excises.

Direct taxes are equal to highway robbery. Until 1913, America relied solely on indirect taxes (such as tariffs). When the first income tax was passed in 1911, the Supreme Court ruled it UNCONSTITUTIONAL. So they amended the Constitution. When the first successful tax was pased in 1913, the rate was ONE PERCENT. And it only applied to people making above $20,000 a year ($300,000 a year in today's money -- only the very richest of Americans). If you read Progressive Papers from the era and Wilson's own writing, the Income Tax was a means to pay for World War I -- he intended for it to end in 1920, and he never intended for it to become the monstrous 30% rate it is today.

[sadolakced acid]

yet our government must have money to run- where are we to get this?

[ComradeRed]

First, we could cut the budget so that it only follows the things that are in the Constitution.

Harry Browne estimates that this could cut the budget to rougly $400 billion (mostly defense spending).

To raise this money, we could use indirect taxation -- tariffs, maybe a sales tax, excises, duties, etc.

Remember, until the 1960s, we did not have an income tax of any consequence. Our country survived for 150 years with a tax rate of 0%, and for another 50 years with a tax rate that only applied to the richest 20% of Americans (and even then the rate would have been lower than 3 or 4% for the most part). The mass income tax is a Great Society invention. And like Great Society inventions in general -- it doesn't work and it is un-American.

In 1910, we had no income tax -- and we had the fastest GDP growth in the world, the government was pretty much debt-free and able to fulfill all of its constitutional (and even some unconstitutiaonl) functions.

More taxes promotes more spending. More spending is always a bad thing. The only justifiable reason to have high taxes today is to pay off the national debt, and even then politicians aren't that trustworthy.

If I were a little more radical, I would advocate defaulting on our national debt and starting from scratch -- at this rate, sooner or later that may be the only possible solution to our growing fiscal crisis.

[sadolakced acid]

ahhh yes, cutting defense spending is the easietst way to cut money.

yet then where will Mr. bush get the pout to attack random dictators?

[ComradeRed]

It's cutting ALL spending ... in fact, defense spending is cut the least (because it is a constitutiaonl purpose). What I meant was, of the $300-400 billion a constitutional government would spend, a large chunk of that (over half) would be defense spending.