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y does America try to control other countries...i mean we want them to be free...but like Japan, we dont let them have weapons...dont get me wrong i know its for our protection...it just seems like we alwayz get exactly what we want, and when we dont...there goes a war
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QUOTE y does America try to control other countries...i mean we want them to be free...but like Japan, we dont let them have weapons...dont get me wrong i know its for our protection...it just seems like we alwayz get exactly what we want, and when we dont...there goes a war Yeah.. we dont have the right, its realli stupid and arrogant of our leaders to think that.. they're building up an American Empire.. i think someone paralled this to Rome.. |
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yehh i agree... who made us the ruling country? i guess since our country is more stable than others... and we're trying to help the other countries out? well sumthing like that!!
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hmm...never really noticed that. i say that we should jus mind our own n yea. still good to help though...
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QUOTE(princess2113 @ Jul 1 2004, 8:42 PM) y does America try to control other countries...i mean we want them to be free...but like Japan, we dont let them have weapons...dont get me wrong i know its for our protection...it just seems like we alwayz get exactly what we want, and when we dont...there goes a war I'm not too sure about this, so correct me if I'm wrong.. BUT Japan doesn't have a much of a military compare to the USA. Infact, someone told me that they depend on American military more than ever simply because their tax money goes towards education the most and the least goes to military, or something like that. I'm sure they don't mind US presence in their country. |
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don't you mean korea? i've never heard of japan having any weapons...
but since teddy roosevelt we've been "the constable of the world", but now it seems like we're just bossing everyone around. |
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QUOTE I'm not too sure about this, so correct me if I'm wrong.. BUT Japan doesn't have a much of a military compare to the USA. Infact, someone told me that they depend on American military more than ever simply because their tax money goes towards education the most and the least goes to military, or something like that. I'm sure they don't mind US presence in their country. Yeah.. I think that's right.. but Japan's more of an example.. I mean.. like Iraq or something, and the ongoing war on terrorism (which has no foreseeable end as of yet..).. why should we police the world? We dont even wait for UN approval anymore.. this country seems to be taking a turn down a very dark road.. EDIT:// QUOTE but since teddy roosevelt we've been "the constable of the world", but now it seems like we're just bossing everyone around. Exactly.. it seems like the onli valid opinion, the onli valid government (for example), is our own.. if other countries dont model after us, they're wrong.. at least that seems to be the attitude the politicians are taking.. |
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QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ Jul 1 2004, 11:58 PM) Yeah.. I think that's right.. but Japan's more of an example.. I mean.. like Iraq or something, and the ongoing war on terrorism (which has no foreseeable end as of yet..).. why should we police the world? We dont even wait for UN approval anymore.. this country seems to be taking a turn down a very dark road.. You're kidding right? We aren't in Iraq to police the world! We're in Iraq because they attacked us and we retaliated! Doesn't anyone remember 9/11? Also, they said the war would take a long time. They said that from the very beginning of the whole ordeal. Guess what though, it's been going much faster than expected. |
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[QUOTE]I'm not too sure about this, so correct me if I'm wrong.. BUT
Japan doesn't have a much of a military compare to the USA. Infact, someone told me that they depend on American military more than ever simply because their tax money goes towards education the most and the least goes to military, or something like that. I'm sure they don't mind US presence in their country. [QUOTE] thats b/c we limit how much military they can have...im not trying to critize the government, it just seems wrong |
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QUOTE(princess2113 @ Jul 1 2004, 8:42 PM) but like Japan, we dont let them have weapons...dont get me wrong i know its for our protection...it just seems like we alwayz get exactly what we want, and when we dont...there goes a war maybe because the japanese said they would only make a defense force and never declare war again? the JASDF does have plenty of weapons. here, take a look at some: http://globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/weapons.htm http://globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/ship.htm |
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QUOTE(DisneyPrincessKate @ Jul 2 2004, 5:08 AM) You're kidding right? We aren't in Iraq to police the world! We're in Iraq because they attacked us and we retaliated! Doesn't anyone remember 9/11? Also, they said the war would take a long time. They said that from the very beginning of the whole ordeal. Guess what though, it's been going much faster than expected. :errm: As I recall, Iraq did not strike us first. Iraq did not make 9/11 happen. Sure it is going much fatser......running the country into the ground. We want to say oh yeah an Iraqi government, but want to get upset when the president does not want out presence there. |
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We can't afford to police the world. We blow up people who haven't done anything, they pick up guns and shoot at us, and meanwhile we're spending $100 billion to build roads ofr a country with no cars.
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QUOTE As I recall, Iraq did not strike us first. Iraq did not make 9/11 happen. Yes, but their brutal dictator, Saddam, had connections to terrorists and Bush declared a war on terror after 9/11. |
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There is not a single shred of evidence that Saddam Hussein had terrorist ties.
In fact, Bin Laden was trying to overthrow Hussein since he got into power. |
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wow never thought of that now that i did wow interesting hmmmm............
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QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jul 2 2004, 10:58 AM) :errm: As I recall, Iraq did not strike us first. Iraq did not make 9/11 happen. Sure it is going much fatser......running the country into the ground. We want to say oh yeah an Iraqi government, but want to get upset when the president does not want out presence there. There are terrorists in Iraq. Terrorists who flew planes into the World Trade Centers and Pentagon, killing thousands of people. Now we're going after them for killing Americans. True, it wasn't Iraq, but the Alquidea is in Iraq, and they were the guys behind 9/11. (I know that I spelled Alquidea wrong, sorry bout that) And for pete sakes! The country may not be doing as well as is was before the war, but this is nothing compared to the great depression. |
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Of course, Al Qaeda is based in Afghanistan and all the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.
How does Iraq figure into that? |
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QUOTE(DisneyPrincessKate @ Jul 2 2004, 5:27 PM) There are terrorists in Iraq. Terrorists who flew planes into the World Trade Centers and Pentagon, killing thousands of people. Now we're going after them for killing Americans. True, it wasn't Iraq, but the Alquidea is in Iraq, and they were the guys behind 9/11. (I know that I spelled Alquidea wrong, sorry bout that) And for pete sakes! The country may not be doing as well as is was before the war, but this is nothing compared to the great depression. ok bud but we supposedly went into Iraq for the reason of Saddam Hussien.... not for the terrorists.... |
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QUOTE We can't afford to police the world. We blow up people who haven't done anything, they pick up guns and shoot at us, and meanwhile we're spending $100 billion to build roads ofr a country with no cars. Exactly, excellent point. QUOTE Sure it is going much fatser......running the country into the ground. We want to say oh yeah an Iraqi government, but want to get upset when the president does not want out presence there. How is it going much faster? QUOTE Yes, but their brutal dictator, Saddam, had connections to terrorists and Bush declared a war on terror after 9/11. QUOTE There are terrorists in Iraq. Terrorists who flew planes into the World Trade Centers and Pentagon, killing thousands of people. Now we're going after them for killing Americans. True, it wasn't Iraq, but the Alquidea is in Iraq, and they were the guys behind 9/11. (I know that I spelled Alquidea wrong, sorry bout that) So we should go and invade every single country with connections to terrorists? QUOTE And for pete sakes! The country may not be doing as well as is was before the war, but this is nothing compared to the great depression. The Great Depression was extreme.. but at the rate things are going... |
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QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jul 2 2004, 6:50 AM) maybe because the japanese said they would only make a defense force and never declare war again? the JASDF does have plenty of weapons. here, take a look at some: http://globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/weapons.htm http://globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/ship.htm Aww you beated me to it. ![]() BTW don't forget the JGSDF and JMSDF. ![]() QUOTE There are terrorists in Iraq. Terrorists who flew planes into the World Trade Centers and Pentagon, killing thousands of people. Now we're going after them for killing Americans. True, it wasn't Iraq, but the Alquidea is in Iraq, and they were the guys behind 9/11. (I know that I spelled Alquidea wrong, sorry bout that) And for pete sakes! The country may not be doing as well as is was before the war, but this is nothing compared to the great depression. I'm a believer that Al Qaeda had no ties with Iraq nor Iraq housing terrorists until the war and occupation. |
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QUOTE BTW don't forget the JGSDF and JMSDF. What are those? ![]() QUOTE I'm a believer that Al Qaeda had no ties with Iraq nor Iraq housing terrorists until the war and occupation. Supposedly they did have ties... supposedly.. though I'm disinclined to believe stuff coming out of the White House anymore.. How did this debate turn into focusing on Iraq all of a sudden? |
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i agree with you, kelly. we try to take over other countries, inderectly. but we try to flash our power and wealth (even though we're in debt right now. thanks to our wonderful *sarcastic* president bush. he's ditching our economy while playing golf
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QUOTE Of course, Al Qaeda is based in Afghanistan and all the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. How does Iraq figure into that? I was about to say the same thing. People don't realize that they came from Saudi, and they are in fact Saudi and not Iraqi. QUOTE How is it going much faster? The person before me said something about the war going fast and the country getting better faster. And i diagree. I think sure it has moved fast, us running their country into the ground. Right now i 'm like we need to get out. If they want to kill each other and have a coup every new years, let them it is their country and their right. |
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Still not sure why everyone's focusing on arguing Iraq.. but it seems like no one believes we have the right to do so..
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i wouldnt say we're bossing the other countries around, but taking all of it into consideration, we're probably the most stable and well off, and if we didnt but in every now an then, there'd be missiles flying everywhere.
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And those missiles wouldn't be launching at us, like they currently are, so why should we care?
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QUOTE And those missiles wouldn't be launching at us, like they currently are, so why should we care? Exactly, why should we go and defend other countries and hurt ourselves in the process? |
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So true. I'm sick of hearinf of these 19 year old soldiers being killed. We had no business going into Iraq and our time is up. Let them kill each other, as long as they aren't killing us i'll be fine.
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yeahhh we should just leave all the other countries alone. i mean like just cuz we got more power doesnt mean we get to boss dem around, not like were the boss .
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Yea, everything this country does comes off as arrogant. I do believe we should help some unfortunate countries, but lets not take it to far.
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QUOTE Yea, everything this country does comes off as arrogant. I do believe we should help some unfortunate countries, but lets not take it to far. Exactly. Not onli do we not have the right, its also harming us.. our resources, our personnel are being expended in doing this |
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QUOTE(princess2113 @ Jul 1 2004, 8:42 PM) y does America try to control other countries...i mean we want them to be free...but like Japan, we dont let them have weapons...dont get me wrong i know its for our protection...it just seems like we alwayz get exactly what we want, and when we dont...there goes a war most of the world sees us as arrogant assholes who care about nothing but themselves. but really it is our leaders who control us. once they are in office they rule our country with veryy!! little input from us... |
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QUOTE most of the world sees us as arrogant assholes who care about nothing but themselves. but really it is our leaders who control us. once they are in office they rule our country with veryy!! little input from us... We did vote for them... well some of us did.. ![]() |
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QUOTE(ryfitaDF @ Jul 1 2004, 10:55 PM) don't you mean korea? i've never heard of japan having any weapons... ditto |
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QUOTE Our country sucks balls right about now, to be quite frank. I think the US is a big spoiled baby who just got a slap in the face because everything didn't go exactly as the government wanted it to. I'm sneaking across the border to Canada--who's with me? -Sarah Haha, I'll stay here a while longer.. but that definitely seems like a good option if this keeps up.. |
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jul 2 2004, 12:45 PM) I'm not too sure about this, so correct me if I'm wrong.. BUT Japan doesn't have a much of a military compare to the USA. Infact, someone told me that they depend on American military more than ever simply because their tax money goes towards education the most and the least goes to military, or something like that. I'm sure they don't mind US presence in their country. yea... as a japanese person i hav to admit. japan does depend on america for many thingz. but really, is america becoming an EMPIRE or sumthing? juz because u guyz all a lil more stable and rich than other countries.... |
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QUOTE yea... as a japanese person i hav to admit. japan does depend on america for many thingz. but really, is america becoming an EMPIRE or sumthing? juz because u guyz all a lil more stable and rich than other countries.... Sadly I'd say it is becoming an empire.. Rich? Perhaps somewhat.. (thought at the rate we're going I doubt that'll be for too long..) Stable? Depends on what you're comparing to.. |
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QUOTE(tootsie_kiddo @ Jul 11 2004, 10:18 PM) yea... as a japanese person i hav to admit. japan does depend on america for many thingz. but really, is america becoming an EMPIRE or sumthing? juz because u guyz all a lil more stable and rich than other countries.... I disagree, somewhat. For the most part, some of the world is catching up, for example, the Japanese's technological advancement is incredible, and Europe's Euro is doing better than the American dollar. America's economy is pretty... hmm.. stagnant (not sure if this is the word I want to use) right now. I don't know if "empire" is the word to use, because it's often associated with sovereignty and even independency from other countries. But I don't think we're independent at all. In fact, we must depend on the economies of other countries and foreign investments to keep our economy up to standards. Therefore, if we should overstep our boundaries, the rest of the world will let us know... Instead, I'd like to think that we're globalizing, economically speaking. <-- I think I totally went off topic there... |
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QUOTE(Arimalka @ Jul 11 2004, 7:58 PM) Our country sucks balls right about now, to be quite frank. I think the US is a big spoiled baby who just got a slap in the face because everything didn't go exactly as the government wanted it to. I'm sneaking across the border to Canada--who's with me? ![]() -Sarah ill come with... lol but yeah our country sucks right now.... |
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QUOTE For the most part, some of the world is catching up, for example, the Japanese's technological advancement is incredible, and Europe's Euro is doing better than the American dollar. America's economy is pretty... hmm.. stagnant (not sure if this is the word I want to use) right now. Yes, I agree, economy is certainly not looking the best right now.. QUOTE I don't know if "empire" is the word to use, because it's often associated with sovereignty and even independency from other countries. But I don't think we're independent at all. In fact, we must depend on the economies of other countries and foreign investments to keep our economy up to standards. Therefore, if we should overstep our boundaries, the rest of the world will let us know... Instead, I'd like to think that we're globalizing, economically speaking. <-- I think I totally went off topic there... Well not an a true empire, at least not like one of the classical empires.. But I do say that we ARE overstepping our boundaries, and the rest of the world HAS let us know.. yet do we care? No. |
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QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ Jul 12 2004, 12:02 AM) Well not an a true empire, at least not like one of the classical empires.. But I do say that we ARE overstepping our boundaries, and the rest of the world HAS let us know.. yet do we care? No. In my opinion, we're only testing the waters, not overstepping boundaries just yet. Even if we are, it's nothing too grave. ![]() |
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QUOTE In my opinion, we're only testing the waters, not overstepping boundaries just yet. Even if we are, it's nothing too grave. Nothing too grave? You sure about that? And how much is "too grave"? I dont have any facts on me.. so you'll have to wait till I go search or till Minda shows up ![]() |
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QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ Jul 12 2004, 12:07 AM) Nothing too grave? You sure about that? And how much is "too grave"? I dont have any facts on me.. so you'll have to wait till I go search or till Minda shows up ![]() Sure, something too grave would be if our intentions are something like the next holocaust. We're testing the waters and we're already getting chilled. We know that the rest of the world do not approve of our actions. |
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Then we should withdraw as soon as possible. No empire has ever lasted without destroying the Republic it was built on. And I'd rather have a Republic than an empire.
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QUOTE Then we should withdraw as soon as possible. No empire has ever lasted without destroying the Republic it was built on. And I'd rather have a Republic than an empire. *nod* why were you talking about being Facist in the "why bush..." thread? |
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Because Bush and Kerry are both fascists, or have significant fascist leanings (Kerry slightly more so than Bush, but Bush will have absolute power while Kerry will be hogtied, so it's tough).
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QUOTE Because Bush and Kerry are both fascists, or have significant fascist leanings (Kerry slightly more so than Bush, but Bush will have absolute power while Kerry will be hogtied, so it's tough). How are they both fascists? |
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QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jul 4 2004, 12:46 AM) So true. I'm sick of hearinf of these 19 year old soldiers being killed. We had no business going into Iraq and our time is up. Let them kill each other, as long as they aren't killing us i'll be fine. When you go into the military, you take that chance of getting killed. No one forced the 19 year old to fight. It was their own will. When we invaded Iraq, it was like a ying-yang (the idea of good with bad). Yeah so some people hate us, but on the other hand look how many lives we have saved. Most Iraqis would of died somehow if Hussien was still in power. And if they were killing each other that would be bad. Just imagine your country in that situation, your family and friends dying because of a heartless leader. And some people saying fighting for peace is dumb, well what are you doing to do? Sit there and die? I mean damn, I'd rather go out there and do something than sit my ass at home and watch TV. |
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jul 1 2004, 8:45 PM) I'm not too sure about this, so correct me if I'm wrong.. BUT Japan doesn't have a much of a military compare to the USA. Infact, someone told me that they depend on American military more than ever simply because their tax money goes towards education the most and the least goes to military, or something like that. I'm sure they don't mind US presence in their country. Didn't we also take their weapons away because of Pearl Harbour? |
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QUOTE(inlonelinessidie @ Jul 13 2004, 4:52 PM) Didn't we also take their weapons away because of Pearl Harbour? I'm sure it wasn't only us, the Allies probably concurred thinking that it was the best thing to do after what happened. |
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QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ Jul 2 2004, 11:44 PM) The Great Depression was extreme.. but at the rate things are going... Exactly what I mean by 3rd world! |
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QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ Jul 11 2004, 10:35 PM) Rich? Perhaps somewhat.. (thought at the rate we're going I doubt that'll be for too long..) Stable? Depends on what you're comparing to.. Thanx for contradicting your point about the possibility that the U.S. can become a 3rd world nation in the thread about illegal immigrants. Sorry I had to put it in here, I mean cuz this is where the proof is... I guess I'm also "sorry" for double posting....i dunno what's the hanky panky about it but yeah..... |
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STOP DOUBLE POSTING!
QUOTE Thanx for contradicting your point about the possibility that the U.S. can become a 3rd world nation in the thread about illegal immigrants. Sorry I had to put it in here, I mean cuz this is where the proof is... I guess I'm also "sorry" for double posting....i dunno what's the hanky panky about it but yeah..... Um.. no, economic troubles will never be substantial enough for the US to become a 3rd world country.. I suppose nuclear war could do it, but not some economic troubles.. Its not like simply because of our economy, all our bureacracy, all our technology and industry is going to be gone.. I dunno what kind of a cynic you are, but the US as a 3rd world country? Pfft |
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I think our gov should mind their own business and let other countries do what ever they please, if the people don't like it then they can leave their country. Stop me if I'm wrong but last time I checked that's how America got started.
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QUOTE I think our gov should mind their own business and let other countries do what ever they please, if the people don't like it then they can leave their country. Stop me if I'm wrong but last time I checked that's how America got started. I agree completely ![]() |
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well...america has a "superpower" status...it could wipe out any country if it wanted to. however, i dont really think america is "abusing" their status...and the US aint the ones restricting other countries from usin the weapons..its the UN. still...over 90% of foreigners will admit that our country is arrogant
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QUOTE well...america has a "superpower" status...it could wipe out any country if it wanted to. however, i dont really think america is "abusing" their status...and the US aint the ones restricting other countries from usin the weapons..its the UN. still...over 90% of foreigners will admit that our country is arrogant You think we had the right to invade Iraq? We had the right to tell them what's best for them? You think we have the right to invade every potential threat to our country? If so, I'm very worried about you.. Superpower.. someone's saying in the other threads that the US is going to become a 3rd World country.. ![]() |
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QUOTE(Fallen_Fairy @ Jul 15 2004, 11:12 PM) I think our gov should mind their own business and let other countries do what ever they please, if the people don't like it then they can leave their country. Stop me if I'm wrong but last time I checked that's how America got started. But wouldn't the world just be chaos? God knows what Saddam would have done if we haven't invaded Iraq. |
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Very soon china will be the new America -_-]]
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QUOTE(tsohg @ Jul 16 2004, 8:31 AM) Very soon china will be the new America -_-]] How soon, and why? |
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China's fixed currency makes it impossible for them to develop much further without having mass inflation and economic collapse.
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QUOTE But wouldn't the world just be chaos? God knows what Saddam would have done if we haven't invaded Iraq. And what things might you be implying with that statement? QUOTE China's fixed currency makes it impossible for them to develop much further without having mass inflation and economic collapse. Err... what do you mean by fixed currency? |
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China's fixed currency was meant to boost up its exports in hope of a long-term gain, I think, because they're cheaper goods to sell. But doesn't that mean that their currency can't appreciate therefore hurting their economy in the short-term?
EmeraldKnight: I think it's sort of like this: the exchange rates of the Euro and the dollar changes/fluctuate everyday (appreciate/depreciate). However, that doesn't seem like the case for China, who has a fixed exchange rate. So, their goods will still be cheaper/more affordable for other countries to import. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this suppose to hurt the economy? How come it's said that China is doing well? And tying this back to topic (almost), doesn't this hurt their trading partners' domestic industries (which, obviously, include the US)? |
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why the US has to be the police of the world...i dont know...why we are in Iraq...i dont know and neither does anyone else..bush doesnt even know...i mean where is the evidence and the weapons. nothing is going on here except peoples family dying for a reason unknown to the world. iraq did not attack us they just have really disturbing and cruel leader..and by the way where is bin laden? you know the person actually responsbile??? who knows? bush is just giving everybody the run around. i mean aint nothing wrong with wanting to go and "save the world" but can you please have a reason. now ppl are getting there heads cut off and being held hostage...all for a reason that can never be certain or defined...i want bill back!!
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QUOTE(winks03 @ Jul 20 2004, 1:08 PM) i want bill back!! Sure, Bill and his scandal, that made the world see us all the more decadent. But that's fine I guess, I liked him, too. But what would he had done in the situation of 9/11? Makes me wonder. |
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jul 20 2004, 1:00 PM) China's fixed currency was meant to boost up its exports in hope of a long-term gain, I think, because they're cheaper goods to sell. But doesn't that mean that their currency can't appreciate therefore hurting their economy in the short-term? EmeraldKnight: I think it's sort of like this: the exchange rates of the Euro and the dollar changes/fluctuate everyday (appreciate/depreciate). However, that doesn't seem like the case for China, who has a fixed exchange rate. So, their goods will still be cheaper/more affordable for other countries to import. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this suppose to hurt the economy? How come it's said that China is doing well? And tying this back to topic (almost), doesn't this hurt their trading partners' domestic industries (which, obviously, include the US)? yes, china's fixed currency was meant to boost up its exports which means that it definitely hurts its trade partner's economy esp. the US The lower Yuan makes Chinese exports to the United States less expensive, and conversely makes U.S. exports to China more expensive. Therefore this means that more foreign investments are going into China... here's some facts... 2003: China surpassed the United States as the world's largest recipient of FDI (foreign direct investment), and its bilateral trade surplus with the United States reached $117 billion in the 12 months up through August 2003. so i guess that's one of the reasons why China's economy has become a significant force in the global economy... |
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I guess everything has it's imperfections..
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QUOTE(elmogurly @ Jul 23 2004, 4:25 PM) I guess everything has it's imperfections.. That was very broad... So, I have to ask you what kind of imperfection do you mean.... |
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me n alotta my fam see it dat way. americas kind........bossy to put it nicely
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i mean by doing it we take a LOT of problems away n i guess i agree that we should do the stuff...but it just seems wrong sumehow
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QUOTE(princess2113 @ Jul 26 2004, 10:23 PM) i mean by doing it we take a LOT of problems away n i guess i agree that we should do the stuff...but it just seems wrong sumehow I think where everything seem wrong is at the point when the world blames/criticizes us for their woes/problems, yet still depend on us for many things such as their economy. But, I agree with many in this thread that the US shouldn't be involved in some problems that it's currently dealing with or had dealt with in the past... |
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jul 13 2004, 5:19 PM) I'm sure it wasn't only us, the Allies probably concurred thinking that it was the best thing to do after what happened. after Japan surrendered, the US came over to "fix" them up and westernize them some more. one of the conditions was that Japan could never build a standing army, which is why they can't have weapons or anything but that doesn't really matter. the US protects Japan if it needs protection (which isn't really that often, considering that everyone's hatred is currently on the US). because Japan doesn't need to put in millions of dollars into a military, they can spend it for other things, and that's why Japan is now one of the wealthiest countries in the world. |
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We are stupid americans!!
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QUOTE(loseronaisle5 @ Jul 28 2004, 11:19 AM) We are stupid americans!! that's the most idiotic comment i've ever seen on createblog. i'll change it up for you to make it better... QUOTE(loseronaisle5 @ Jul 28 2004, 11:19 AM) I am a stupid american!! there ya go |
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jul 27 2004, 5:35 PM) I think where everything seem wrong is at the point when the world blames/criticizes us for their woes/problems, yet still depend on us for many things such as their economy. But, I agree with many in this thread that the US shouldn't be involved in some problems that it's currently dealing with or had dealt with in the past... the US seems to pick and choose who we help out. For example, we help out Israel. However, we didn't do shit about the genocide in Rwanda. We only apologized ten years later. I think that's wrong. I think that if we want to govern the world and try to do good for it, we shouldn't pick and choose who we help. It's impossible for us to fix everyone's problems. So we should just lay off a little bit. |
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we're allies w/ Israel. are we allies w/ Rwanda? (i really don't know the answer to this question...that's why i'm asking)
but you bring up an interesting topic. why are we helping out Israel? yes, they're our ally (from WWII...since we helped make the nation). but what benefits are we getting from sending them billions of dollars? 1) we're losing billions of dollars 2) we're hated in the Middle East for helping Israel if it was a mutual relationship, i'd understand. but we're not getting anything out of being an ally with Israel, so i'd just cut off, or at least lower, what we're sending over there. |
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Okay I live in Japan and my Japanese teacher told us the story. After the World War 2 [I think...], Japanese people agreed to let American people to protect them. Japan doesn't want any war, violence, or anything anymore. So they let the U.S. protect them.
That's why theres military bases in Japan. I know because I'm in one... |
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No it's because we just nuked the hell out of Japan and they weren't in great shape to defned themselves.
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QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ Jul 1 2004, 8:43 PM) Yeah.. we dont have the right, its realli stupid and arrogant of our leaders to think that.. they're building up an American Empire.. i think someone paralled this to Rome.. We shouldn't be building an Empire...because (this is what my history teacher told me) every great empire will fall someday. He said that America is kinda like Rome and its at its falling piont (because of the war and stuff) |
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We are already in the Empire stage. If America ever had a Caesar who trasnformed us from Republic to Empire, it was FDR. America has been engaged in constant war since the 40s. The Republic is dead, we are living in the Empire.
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we bullies
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the world is our playground.
be the bully. it's cus we're arrogant, obnoxious and bigheaded. we think everyone wants to be an american. we think we are always right. |
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QUOTE the world is our playground. be the bully. it's cus we're arrogant, obnoxious and bigheaded. we think everyone wants to be an american. we think we are always right. Haha sad how true that is.. it seems like some of our political leaders have no graps of what it means to be part of the world.. they feel more as if we are the world.. |
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