Who should run next, Hillary, Palin?, Express who you think should run next and who should win. Rating Options

[xodollfaceox]

I truly hope Hillary runs again in 2012 because she would do this country a lot of good. I do not think Paulin should even run. She mostly popularity. Who do you guys think?

This post has been edited by interpretation: Jan 15 2009, 06:28 PM

Reason for edit: Seeing "Paulin" all the time was bugging me. - Cristy

[Comptine]

I totally support Palin. She truly shows how capable a woman is at balancing all her different priorities. She's a great mother and if she can manage all that, running a country shouldn't be that much more difficult. And she's hard working. She keep at her college education for years, even changed schools, until she achieved her goal.

Besides, she would be the sexiest thing to take office, like ever.

[brooklyneast05]

I totally support Palin. She truly shows how capable a woman is at balancing all her different priorities. She's a great mother and if she can manage all that, running a country shouldn't be that much more difficult. And she's hard working. She keep at her college education for years, even changed schools, until she achieved her goal.

Besides, she would be the sexiest thing to take office, like ever.

are you kidding me?

[berrypop90]

I totally support Palin. She truly shows how capable a woman is at balancing all her different priorities. She's a great mother and if she can manage all that, running a country shouldn't be that much more difficult. And she's hard working. She keep at her college education for years, even changed schools, until she achieved her goal.

Besides, she would be the sexiest thing to take office, like ever.

Obama hasn't even begun his term. Chill.
BTW, it's spelled Palin.

[Comptine]

Yeah. And it's about time we had a woman in office. Hilary Clinton doesn't count. No one will take her seriously. Have you seen her? Appearance is like 90% of being in the public eye. Who would want to see her manly and horrendous dress sense?

Palin, on the other hand, can represent our country beautifully. And if all else, other foreign leaders will have her tatas to stare at. That will get us some place, right?

World peace using Palin's tatas.

Yes, brooklyn, I'm kidding.

[brooklyneast05]

good

[Tung]

I was about to say....if you were serious...wow...

[Comptine]

The sad thing is... there's probably people like that who truly believe what I said.

[xodollfaceox]

wow it's not a beauty contest.

being a mother and running a country won't be that much harder.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME???

and if she's such a great mother, why's her teenager pregnant.
i'm just saying. it's not about looks, it's about policys and hillary
has that. palin needs to go back to alaska and continue to screw that up.

[mipadi]

I truly hope Hillary runs again in 2012 because she would do this country a lot of good.

You don't think that, um, Obama will run on the Democratic ticket in 2012?

[Comptine]

wow it's not a beauty contest.

being a mother and running a country won't be that much harder.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME???

and if she's such a great mother, why's her teenager pregnant.
i'm just saying. it's not about looks, it's about policys and hillary
has that. palin needs to go back to alaska and continue to screw that up.

If you're going to participiate in a debate, you should make an effort to read other posts, especially if their only a few.

Yes, brooklyn, I'm kidding

And somewhat in Palin's defense, she's not a bad mother if her daughter got pregnant. Her daughter is her own free person and she chose to do whatever she did.

[*KINGdinguhling*]

i would not bone palin, or kiss her. I dont want botox juices to ooze onto my face

[hypnotique]

Paulin?.........f*cking Paulin?

Paulin?

THIS IS WHY AMERICA IS SO f*ckING HORRIBLE.

btw
Palin sucks. I would rather have Hilary who is a strong woman and probably a closet dominatrix that a complete f*cktard who cannot raise her kids being commander and chief.

Thank you.

[pandemonium]

Hillary

[*KINGdinguhling*]

oh yeah... why the f*ck does it say paulin

[brooklyneast05]

You don't think that, um, Obama will run on the Democratic ticket in 2012?

[pandemonium]

^^look im not gonna argue or something like that, but what if he doesn't do a good job?? and tryes running for a 2nd term.

[Tramatize]

^^look im not gonna argue or something like that, but what if he doesn't do a good job?? and tryes running for a 2nd term.

He couldn't do worse than Bush, I mean we survived those 8 years.

[dosomethin888]

Hilary - no.

Obama - Get him the hell out. Wait, just dont let him go in.

Palin - maybe?

[mipadi]

Obama - Get him the hell out. Wait, just dont let him go in.

You sound a bit angry at the prospect that there won't be neocons running the country for another 4 years.

[JonHMChan]

Obama 2012. You know. Re-election?

[hypnotique]

You sound a bit angry at the prospect that there won't be neocons running the country for another 4 years.

I think the idea of having a basketball court in the white house offends them.

[Tomates]

wow it's not a beauty contest.

being a mother and running a country won't be that much harder.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME???

and if she's such a great mother, why's her teenager pregnant.
i'm just saying. it's not about looks, it's about policys and hillary
has that. palin needs to go back to alaska and continue to screw that up.

i just want to say that you know, its not the mothers fault if their daughter gets pregnant or not. The daughter decided to have sex whether her mom taught her not to. No im not a fan of palin i thought some of her statements were ridiculous but its not her fault her daughter got pregnant. Or atleast i dont think so.

[hypnotique]

i just want to say that you know, its not the mothers fault if their daughter gets pregnant or not. The daughter decided to have sex whether her mom taught her not to. No im not a fan of palin i thought some of her statements were ridiculous but its not her fault her daughter got pregnant. Or atleast i dont think so.

Uh no.
that can be applied to other situations but in this case it is very apparent that mommy wasn't really around to pay attention to what her kids here doing and the father is a piece of shit too busy with his snowmobile riding bullshit ass.

Its very apparent that no one is really around to do any kind of parenting in that household let alone run a f*cking country.

[emberfly]

I totally support Palin. She truly shows how capable a woman is at balancing all her different priorities. She's a great mother and if she can manage all that, running a country shouldn't be that much more difficult. And she's hard working. She keep at her college education for years, even changed schools, until she achieved her goal.

Besides, she would be the sexiest thing to take office, like ever.

This is meant to be a joke, right?

I want Hillary to run again. I don't mind Palin being Vice President, but If she becomes President, I'm moving to Canada... Not exaggerating. I just wouldn't feel safe with her in office.

Obama 2012!!

[Tomates]

Uh no.
that can be applied to other situations but in this case it is very apparent that mommy wasn't really around to pay attention to what her kids here doing and the father is a piece of shit too busy with his snowmobile riding bullshit ass.

Its very apparent that no one is really around to do any kind of parenting in that household let alone run a f*cking country.

well alright, now when you put it like that it is a bit more sensible.

[dosomethin888]

Leave Palin's daughter alone, people. Its seriously not even an issue. We have never brought politician's children into the picture until Palin showed up. Unless you personally know the family, which Im betting you all do not, you have no idea what kind of mother Palin is or how her family is run. Leave it alone. Shit happens all the time.

[brooklyneast05]

Uh no.
that can be applied to other situations but in this case it is very apparent that mommy wasn't really around to pay attention to what her kids here doing and the father is a piece of shit too busy with his snowmobile riding bullshit ass.

Its very apparent that no one is really around to do any kind of parenting in that household let alone run a f*cking country.

how is this apparent? what is the basis for it?

[dosomethin888]

Uh no.
that can be applied to other situations but in this case it is very apparent that mommy wasn't really around to pay attention to what her kids here doing and the father is a piece of shit too busy with his snowmobile riding bullshit ass.

Its very apparent that no one is really around to do any kind of parenting in that household let alone run a f*cking country.

Do you go to anger management?

[Comptine]

Leave Palin's daughter alone, people. Its seriously not even an issue. We have never brought politician's children into the picture until Palin showed up. Unless you personally know the family, which Im betting you all do not, you have no idea what kind of mother Palin is or how her family is run. Leave it alone. Shit happens all the time.

Completely untrue. Republicans throw the "personal" card whenever they please.

Palin's daughter gets pregnant is suppose to be a personal issue. Let their family deal with it.

Really?

Republicans led a witch hunt against Bill Clinton because he cheated on his wife. That has nothing to do with how he runs the country, which was 1000000 times better than Bush and infinitely better than Palin could ever, yet Republican Starr makes a whole spectacle of it. It should have been an issue for the family itself to deal with. However, since they were Democrats, it doesn't really apply.

[hypnotique]

Do you go to anger management?

How is that f*cking relevant to what I said?

Im all latina so I naturally have a epic temper dont like it then get the f*ck out.

Completely untrue. Republicans throw the "personal" card whenever they please.

Palin's daughter gets pregnant is suppose to be a personal issue. Let their family deal with it.

Really?

Republicans led a witch hunt against Bill Clinton because he cheated on his wife. That has nothing to do with how he runs the country, which was 1000000 times better than Bush and infinitely better than Palin could ever, yet Republican Starr makes a whole spectacle of it. It should have been an issue for the family itself to deal with. However, since they were Democrats, it doesn't really apply.

I.f*ckING.LOVE.YOU.
amen.

[*KINGdinguhling*]

Leave Palin's daughter alone, people. Its seriously not even an issue. We have never brought politician's children into the picture until Palin showed up. Unless you personally know the family, which Im betting you all do not, you have no idea what kind of mother Palin is or how her family is run. Leave it alone. Shit happens all the time.

i bet you suck Bill O'reily's dick on the daily.

[hypnotique]

i bet you suck Bill O'reily's dick on the daily.

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Bill_O%27Reilly

[fameONE]

Leave Palin's daughter alone, people. Its seriously not even an issue. We have never brought politician's children into the picture until Palin showed up. Unless you personally know the family, which Im betting you all do not, you have no idea what kind of mother Palin is or how her family is run. Leave it alone. Shit happens all the time.

[hypnotique]

thats what i did when i saw that ish.

[*paperplane*]

Oh, this thread.

Yikes.


Anyway, I'll attempt to get us on track. Presumably in 2012 we're only going to need to worry about the Republican ticket, so wanting to see Hilary run is a moot point.

Palin still qualifies. Romney? Huckabee? Ron Paul? Change up the constitution and let Ahhhhnold run? Hah. Who else do you seriously see at this point going for the presidency? It'll be more interesting if we can think of politicians who didn't run in 08. If you don't tend to vote Republican, is there any one of them you'd consider voting for? Or someone you want to get the nomination because you're sure they'd be trounced? Hypothetically, as of now of course.

[Rachel]

Leave Palin's daughter alone, people. Its seriously not even an issue. We have never brought politician's children into the picture until Palin showed up. Unless you personally know the family, which Im betting you all do not, you have no idea what kind of mother Palin is or how her family is run. Leave it alone. Shit happens all the time.

HAHAHAHHA OMG. Have you paid attention to politics and smear campaigns at all prior to this election? f*ck you're ignorant. Especially because you said "Maybe" to the shit-for-brains Palin.




Anyway, IDK why ya'll are being pessimistic and assuming Obama won't run and win for re-election in 2012. Boy has a lot of shit to fix and if anyone is expecting major turn-arounds in just 4 years, you are sadly mistaken.

[dosomethin888]

my bad

[fameONE]

HAHAHAHHA OMG. Have you paid attention to politics and smear campaigns at all prior to this election? f*ck you're ignorant. Especially because you said "Maybe" to the shit-for-brains Palin.

[synatribe]

there won't be neocons running the country for another 4 years.

hurray!

[Gryffindor-Girl]

I think Hillary should run in 2012!

[emberfly]

Chris Crocker is suing you for plagiarism.

I totally thought the same thing when I read that

[alison-apples]

Neither. Ew.

Hopefully Obama runs for re-election (an almost sure thing, unless he gets assassinated by some KKK member lololol) in 2012.

Hell, even McCain would be better than Palin and Clinton. Seriously. :x As long as he doesn't have Palin or some other completely right-winged asssss.

[hypnotique]

Neither. Ew.

Hopefully Obama runs for re-election (an almost sure thing, unless he gets assassinated by some KKK member lololol) in 2012.

Hell, even McCain would be better than Palin and Clinton. Seriously. :x As long as he doesn't have Palin or some other completely right-winged asssss.

You are a fucking ***hole.

In all my years of being on this forum i have never seen such a horrible statement out of someones mouth followed by an LOL LOL LOL ever. and thats saying something because we had seon ho running around the forums.

In what way is it funny for any president to be killed?

[dosomethin888]

I actually hope a black man runs against Obama in 2012. Then we will make that 90% of the black population actually make an informed decision of who to vote for.

[brooklyneast05]

I actually hope a black man runs against Obama in 2012. Then we will make that 90% of the black population actually make an informed decision of who to vote for.

i think that's a big judgment to claim 90% of the black population wasn't informed because they picked a black guy.

the majority of black voters would probably vote democrat anyway. to me that's like saying since the majority of conservative christians vote republican that they aren't informed. maybe they are informed, their information just points them towards that party anyway?

i'm black and i think i'm pretty informed about my decisions as are a lot of other black people i know.

[*KINGdinguhling*]

i think that's a big judgment to claim 90% of the black population wasn't informed because they picked a black guy.

the majority of black voters would probably vote democrat anyway. to me that's like saying since the majority of conservative christians vote republican that they aren't informed. maybe they are informed, their information just points them towards that party anyway?

i'm black and i think i'm pretty informed about my decisions as are a lot of other black people i know.

that was a nice reply, i was gonna tell that redneck bitch to stfu, f*cking c**t.

[fameONE]

I actually hope a black man runs against Obama in 2012. Then we will make that 90% of the black population actually make an informed decision of who to vote for.

Damn, you continue to prove your ignorance time and time again. What rock do you live under? Are you the product of inbreeding, or have you been sheltered your entire life? Is it a combination of both?

As much as I would like to say, "eat a dick, bitch," why do I have the feeling that you already think ill of Black people, and that would only fuel the fires of your prejudice? Perhaps it was just a hunch.

Nonetheless, you need to get a f*cking clue.

[emberfly]

You are a fucking ***hole.

In all my years of being on this forum i have never seen such a horrible statement out of someones mouth followed by an LOL LOL LOL ever. and thats saying something because we had seon ho running around the forums.

In what way is it funny for any president to be killed?

THANKYOU! When I read that I was just disgusted. That person should be banned for such horrible racism.

[dosomethin888]

I dont think ill of black people. It doesnt phase me one bit that he is black. But I did know by saying that that I would be called names like redneck and racist. I dont think Im making a rash judgement at all. Obama had so many advantages going into this campaign.. the money given to him by liberals and celebrities, the youth movement, his color, the mass media being on his side. Im not un-informed and I dont live under a rock and the fact is that a large group of African Americans voted for this guy because of his color and chose to completely overlook the fact that he is a liar, a flip-flopper on issues, has hardly any experience and his shady relationships. But I was only saying how it would be fascinating to see how it would play out if he ran against another black man. You all think I am un-informed because the majority of people on these forums have opposing views to me. Im not racist and when I make comments like that I shouldnt have to explain that Im not. You all need to get a little more informed and stop jumping on me for making harmless comments.

[*KINGdinguhling*]

harmless comments? you just said 90% of black voters didnt know shit regarding obama, you punk bitch

[emberfly]

I dont think ill of black people. It doesnt phase me one bit that he is black. But I did know by saying that that I would be called names like redneck and racist. I dont think Im making a rash judgement at all. Obama had so many advantages going into this campaign.. the money given to him by liberals and celebrities, the youth movement, his color, the mass media being on his side. Im not un-informed and I dont live under a rock and the fact is that a large group of African Americans voted for this guy because of his color and chose to completely overlook the fact that he is a liar, a flip-flopper on issues, has hardly any experience and his shady relationships. But I was only saying how it would be fascinating to see how it would play out if he ran against another black man. You all think I am un-informed because the majority of people on these forums have opposing views to me. Im not racist and when I make comments like that I shouldnt have to explain that Im not. You all need to get a little more informed and stop jumping on me for making harmless comments.

YOU need to stop being stupid and jumping to conclusions that ALL of us are unimformed and calling you names.

[carolannexbh]

You all need to get a little more informed and stop jumping on me for making harmless comments.

Are you kidding me? That "harmless comment" was the most ignorant and discriminatory posts I've ever read on this forum. Stupid c*nt.

[brooklyneast05]

the problem was the you singled out one specific racial group as being uninformed and then went as far as to say 90% of them.

i don't get how it even makes sense. you want two black people running so they will have to make an informed decision. ok well how is that different than every year prior to this? because every year prior to this the black population has been having to decide between two white people. so on what grounds were all the black people misinformed then? or they are only misinformed this year?

you're saying you want an election where they actually have to choose not based on race. GUESS WHAT, THAT'S EVERY PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION BEFORE THIS.

you act like this would be a first for black people. if they have had to make informed decisions on who to vote for between to white people prior to this, why would they just throw it all out the window and suddenly be completely uninformed about democrats and republicans for this election? i don't get it.

[Tomates]

I actually hope a black man runs against Obama in 2012. Then we will make that 90% of the black population actually make an informed decision of who to vote for.

i think that's a big judgment to claim 90% of the black population wasn't informed because they picked a black guy.

the majority of black voters would probably vote democrat anyway. to me that's like saying since the majority of conservative christians vote republican that they aren't informed. maybe they are informed, their information just points them towards that party anyway?

i'm black and i think i'm pretty informed about my decisions as are a lot of other black people i know.

JC backed this up well and i have also heard that the majority of black users do vote democrat.
But just because of that statement doesn't mean that all of them voted for Obama, some probably voted for McCain instead so its kinda petty when i hear/see people say that "all blacks voted for obama".
Of course certain people are more likely to vote democrat and some republican but people shouldn't just assume that just because they are in that category means that they always vote like that.

So think before you post and do some research.

[Comptine]

I dont think ill of black people. It doesnt phase me one bit that he is black. But I did know by saying that that I would be called names like redneck and racist. I dont think Im making a rash judgement at all. Obama had so many advantages going into this campaign.. the money given to him by liberals and celebrities, the youth movement, his color, the mass media being on his side. Im not un-informed and I dont live under a rock and the fact is that a large group of African Americans voted for this guy because of his color and chose to completely overlook the fact that he is a liar, a flip-flopper on issues, has hardly any experience and his shady relationships. But I was only saying how it would be fascinating to see how it would play out if he ran against another black man. You all think I am un-informed because the majority of people on these forums have opposing views to me. Im not racist and when I make comments like that I shouldnt have to explain that Im not. You all need to get a little more informed and stop jumping on me for making harmless comments.

Yes, because you are very informed. You said maybe to Palin running for presidential office. That alone should be enough to disqualify you from any more intelligent political debates.

Obama might not have been the most experienced candidate out of the two but the people voted for him. And you need to get off your "I'm effing informed damnit" soapbox when you obviously don't even bother to read cnn.com

1) Those shady relationships you speak off. McCain's supporters very vocally used a picture of Obama with a Washington lobbyist that was a huge player in the Freddie/Frannie Mae fiasco. They said that despite Obama's promise to help America with the current financial crisis, he obviously takes direction from the people who are responsible for it.

The lobbyist himself issued a statement. He met Obama ONCE for a few minutes which was when the photo was taken. He then turned around and cited several photos that showed McCain with a few of his advisers/friends. He noted that those people were the ones that he used to report to.

Maybe his pastor isn't the best role model for Obama. But, despite what the pastor has to say about political/civil issues, Obama attended church to hear about God. Everyone has friends who has flaws and some people chose to continue friendships despite those flaws.

I mean, Mccain apparently still think highly of Palin.

2) Obama might change his opinions on issues but I rather have him try to change his agenda according to what new things he learns instead of steadfastly sticking to his original views. Even in the midst of massive Republican failure, Mccain's campaign and his own party keep promising that they will stick to true Republican ideals, even though most of the American people disagree with that course of action.

3) Even if someone voted for Obama because of his race, is that exactly wrong? People, especially from YOUR crowd, vote based on religion. So which is the lesser evil?

I think it would be interesting if Obama ran against Palin. Let's see if she can humiliate herself some more.

[emberfly]

pwned.

[Tomates]

and one more thing i just want to add, i really don't think you paid much attention in this election. So next time you want to start a debate, do some re-search and know how to back yourself up so you don't sound so ignorant again.

Also, if i could i would have voted for McCain even though Palin was pretty fluky. Though im not upset that Obama won, and even if i were i wouldn't be saying stuff like some of the stuff you have mentioned.

[emberfly]

This is off-topic...... kind of? but I just wanted to add that where I live, tons of racist redneck freaks still drive around in their humongous gas-guzzling trucks with "VOTE FOR MCCAIN" still stickered all over them.

I think it's disgusting. Those people are horrible.--Not because they wanted McCain to win(which is perfectly fine with me--they're entitled to their opinion) it's just that they're too f*cking retarted to just accept the fact that Obama is now the president and that McCain will probably die before he will even get to be president..

[Tomates]

This is off-topic...... kind of? but I just wanted to add that where I live, tons of racist redneck freaks still drive around in their humongous gas-guzzling trucks with "VOTE FOR MCCAIN" still stickered all over them.

I think it's disgusting. Those people are horrible.

wait...are you joking now?

[emberfly]

^ I updated it, and no, i'm not joking.....venting sort of.

[Tomates]

^ I updated it, and no, i'm not joking.....venting sort of.

ah, alright. Just checking

[LittleMissSunshi...]

obama 2012! lollll xD i don't mind clinton runninggg :]!

[Tomates]

(shan this isnt towards you initially its also to others)
no offense you guys but whats the point on saying Re-Elect Obama 2012? We don't even know if he will do good this term. I mean I'm not saying he is going to bring us to ruins he will probably do well but still.

[shanaynay]

Colbert/Stewart 2012!!!

[LittleMissSunshi...]

This is meant to be a joke, right?

I want Hillary to run again. I don't mind Palin being Vice President, but If she becomes President, I'm moving to Canada... Not exaggerating. I just wouldn't feel safe with her in office.

Obama 2012!!

noooo, i mean't to quote that^ of the obama thing, but instead i just wrote it. it was making me laugh. i don't want to re-elect obama if he's not running! idk, who'll be running, i just know i'll be old enough to vote at 2012 lol (x

[Comptine]

(shan this isnt towards you initially its also to others)
no offense you guys but whats the point on saying Re-Elect Obama 2012? We don't even know if he will do good this term. I mean I'm not saying he is going to bring us to ruins he will probably do well but still.

I think partly it has to do with people hoping he does do well and has a chance for reelection.

Also, history shows that America tends to stick with the same president during times of extreme hardships in fear of creating more problems during transitions.

[LittleMissSunshi...]

it didn't happen this year^ and were in tough times.

[Comptine]

^Because the Constitution only allows for a president to serve 2 terms.

[dosomethin888]

Im not racist in saying that the majority of black people voted for Obama because ..its true. Yes, I did say that 90% of black people didnt know anything regarding Obama. Just like I will say I think that 90% of everyone voting for Obama didnt know much about him at all. Either A) They are young and ignorant and only listen to what the media and their beloved celebrities are telling them to vote for, B) They watch nothing but CNN and got caught up in the love affair they had with Obama and paid attention to the reports of how Palin is a moron and McCain is an even bigger moron for picking her as VP or C) They really do think its a smart idea to hand their country into the hands of a man with no experience, socialist ideas, has a pastor/mentor of 20 FREAKIN YEARS who HATES America and who happens to lie in his autobiographies.

You may think I am ignorant but, not all, most of you shout f*cking c**t, Punk Bitch, Redneck, Racist whenever I make a comment. How ignorant and immature is that?

Im saying your un-informed? You called me un-informed because I think its a good idea that a black guy run against Obama in 2012! The fact is that the majority of voters dont pay attention to politics. They dont read what is going on and what laws are being passed. They dont vote in local elections. Then, when the presidential election comes around, they simply vote for who looks good, who sounds good, who the media is telling them will change this country. So most people dont even make an informed decision, anyway, which is pretty sad. So all those black (and perhaps white) people who werent paying much attention anyway: Throw a black guy into the picture who gives great speeches, who the media and hollywood just ADORE and most of those black people are going to vote for him! Look at this country with all the crap going on all the time, and you will see that most people dont pay too much attention to enough things as it is.

DO NOT CALL ME RACIST. Obama is a moron, it just so happens that he is BLACK. Doesnt make me racist to say negative things about him. I can say negative things about whomever I please and it doesnt make me anything. If your black and your going to bash on Palin, I cant call you racist can I? NO.

[brooklyneast05]

i didn't call you any of those names. reply to me.


and if you wanted to say that the majority of people who vote aren't informed enough...ok, but that's not the same thing as saying that 90% of black people aren't informed when they vote.

the problem was the you singled out one specific racial group as being uninformed and then went as far as to say 90% of them.

i don't get how it even makes sense. you want two black people running so they will have to make an informed decision. ok well how is that different than every year prior to this? because every year prior to this the black population has been having to decide between two white people. so on what grounds were all the black people misinformed then? or they are only misinformed this year?

you're saying you want an election where they actually have to choose not based on race. GUESS WHAT, THAT'S EVERY PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION BEFORE THIS.

you act like this would be a first for black people. if they have had to make informed decisions on who to vote for between to white people prior to this, why would they just throw it all out the window and suddenly be completely uninformed about democrats and republicans for this election? i don't get it.

[heyo-captain-jac...]

It is about looks. The President is powerless without congress's support.

[Tomates]

Im not racist in saying that the majority of black people voted for Obama because ..its true. Yes, I did say that 90% of black people didnt know anything regarding Obama. Just like I will say I think that 90% of everyone voting for Obama didnt know much about him at all. Either A) They are young and ignorant and only listen to what the media and their beloved celebrities are telling them to vote for, B) They watch nothing but CNN and got caught up in the love affair they had with Obama and paid attention to the reports of how Palin is a moron and McCain is an even bigger moron for picking her as VP or C) They really do think its a smart idea to hand their country into the hands of a man with no experience, socialist ideas, has a pastor/mentor of 20 FREAKIN YEARS who HATES America and who happens to lie in his autobiographies.

You may think I am ignorant but, not all, most of you shout f*cking c**t, Punk Bitch, Redneck, Racist whenever I make a comment. How ignorant and immature is that?

Im saying your un-informed? You called me un-informed because I think its a good idea that a black guy run against Obama in 2012! The fact is that the majority of voters dont pay attention to politics. They dont read what is going on and what laws are being passed. They dont vote in local elections. Then, when the presidential election comes around, they simply vote for who looks good, who sounds good, who the media is telling them will change this country. So most people dont even make an informed decision, anyway, which is pretty sad. So all those black (and perhaps white) people who werent paying much attention anyway: Throw a black guy into the picture who gives great speeches, who the media and hollywood just ADORE and most of those black people are going to vote for him! Look at this country with all the crap going on all the time, and you will see that most people dont pay too much attention to enough things as it is.

DO NOT CALL ME RACIST. Obama is a moron, it just so happens that he is BLACK. Doesnt make me racist to say negative things about him. I can say negative things about whomever I please and it doesnt make me anything. If your black and your going to bash on Palin, I cant call you racist can I? NO.

Things like that make people think your ignorant. I mean dont get me wrong its cool to have an opinion but theres a point to where it can almost be taken a bit too far and saying that "blacks mainly choose him becuase he was black" is an ignorant thing to say.

[dosomethin888]

i didn't call you any of those names. reply to me.


and if you wanted to say that the majority of people who vote aren't informed enough...ok, but that's not the same thing as saying that 90% of black people aren't informed when they vote.

All I was saying was I would like to see how it is played out were Obama be up against another black man. Like I said, most people dont pay enough attention to politics and in this time, it is crucial to do so. People may roll their eyes at the idea that this country is slowly falling into socialism and ignore that Obama has socialist ideas. People bought into what Obama was selling: a fake campaign built on lies. Both white people and black people are guilty of that. But everyone looked at Obama as being able to be the first black President, so they disregarded all the factors that make him unqualified for the job.

So, having already a black man as the President of the United States and taking that away from him in 2012, I would like to see just how many of those black people would be for Obama or the other black guy. I singled out Black people, and then went right along and singled out white people after that. Black people were just so enthralled by the idea of having a black man as president, which is a monumental thing. Not all black people, mind you. Some. Most. A lot. It just so happens that he is a complete fake. A fake "savior."

And you think every presidential race before this has been about race? Not like this campaign. A black man and a white man: pretty different than previous elections, Im sure.

Things like that make people think your ignorant. I mean dont get me wrong its cool to have an opinion but theres a point to where it can almost be taken a bit too far and saying that "blacks mainly choose him becuase he was black" is an ignorant thing to say.

You all can think I am ignorant. Just so happens I am not going to sit by, like too many conservatives do, and not let my opinion be heard.

[brooklyneast05]

yes, two days in office and you already are the authority on what kind president he will be


still think it's wrong to say 90% of black people are uninformed as if you know it for a fact. we completely disagree about obama and politics in general though.

[dosomethin888]

yes, two days in office and you already are the authority on what kind president he will be

You too We both can speculate about what kind of job he is going to do. Im not alone in doing that.

[brooklyneast05]

i'm not the one calling him a savior or calling him a complete fake after two days


you've hated his guts since the get go though, so i don't expect you to wait and see what happens.

[dosomethin888]

i'm not the one calling him a savior or calling him a complete fake after two days

I think he is a complete fake. He lied in his autobiographies.. Did you know that? Im sure you have read them. I recommend a book for you to read: "The Obama Nation"

I didnt say you were calling him a savior. Ive never heard you say that but I have seen and heard people talking about him as if he is one.

Are you kidding me? I HOPE he does some good. What other chance do I have but to sit and wait around? Im not moving anytime soon.

[brooklyneast05]

i haven't read any of his books/books about him

[dosomethin888]

i haven't read any of his books/books about him

Maybe you should.

[brooklyneast05]

i wouldn't read obama nation anyway because of how much shit has been said about it's accuracy being incorrect so i wouldn't even mess with a book that's already had tons of stuff written about it's inaccuracy.

[synatribe]

I think he is a complete fake. He lied in his autobiographies.. Did you know that? Im sure you have read them. I recommend a book for you to read: "The Obama Nation"

I didnt say you were calling him a savior. Ive never heard you say that but I have seen and heard people talking about him as if he is one.

Are you kidding me? I HOPE he does some good. What other chance do I have but to sit and wait around? Im not moving anytime soon.

I think more than anything the reason obama was elected was not because of his plans for america but of the mere fact that America needs hope right now he is compared to Kennedy alot and his speeches are inspiring, Bush said he wouldnt nation build, yet he did in IRAQ, Bush said he would work together with Democrats, instead he works with neocons. Lieing in an autobiography to make the general public feel hopeful of the future is alot better then lieing about policies and future plans, as for the next president after obama, since the republicans have to put someone, I would say their A candidate would be Mitt Romney. Hes a mormom, so Utah would go to him, he was Governor of Massachusetts so that state would go to him, and born in michigan, he also raised alot of money for the campaign, however even if Mitt Romney would be the Republicans best bet, I feel obama will have a second term, even if he hasnt done anything significant yet :]

[*KINGdinguhling*]

Maybe you should.

cause you know, books tell all right, how about you just stfu and wait till something actually happens before you judge

[dosomethin888]

I think more than anything the reason obama was elected was not because of his plans for america but of the mere fact that America needs hope right now he is compared to Kennedy alot and his speeches are inspiring, Bush said he wouldnt nation build, yet he did in IRAQ, Bush said he would work together with Democrats, instead he works with neocons. Lieing in an autobiography to make the general public feel hopeful of the future is alot better then lieing about policies and future plans, as for the next president after obama, since the republicans have to put someone, I would say their A candidate would be Mitt Romney. Hes a mormom, so Utah would go to him, he was Governor of Massachusetts so that state would go to him, and born in michigan, he also raised alot of money for the campaign, however even if Mitt Romney would be the Republicans best bet, I feel obama will have a second term, even if he hasnt done anything significant yet :]

Yes, your right. Obama's speeches are inspiring, he is an eloquent speaker, he "offers" hope. But since when did we stop counting on people's experience as a factor in electing someone president? Now its nothing but words? Everyone was so quick to judge how little experience Palin has.

And I agree that Mitt Romney would have been a better pick than McCain. But McCain had a hell of a lot experience in national security and reform. I guess he just didnt give good enough speeches to "inspire" people.

i wouldn't read obama nation anyway because of how much shit has been said about it's accuracy being incorrect so i wouldn't even mess with a book that's already had tons of stuff written about it's inaccuracy.

And just how accurate is Obama's autobiographies? But, seriously, whatever. I dont care what you read.

cause you know, books tell all right, how about you just stfu and wait till something actually happens before you judge

You really dont make any sense. If you want me to stfu, you can just leave the forum and watch a little CNN.

[synatribe]

Yes, your right. Obama's speeches are inspiring, he is an eloquent speaker, he "offers" hope. But since when did we stop counting on people's experience as a factor in electing someone president? Now its nothing but words? Everyone was so quick to judge how little experience Palin has.

And I agree that Mitt Romney would have been a better pick than McCain. But McCain had a hell of a lot experience in national security and reform. I guess he just didnt give good enough speeches to "inspire" people.
And just how accurate is Obama's autobiographies? But, seriously, whatever. I dont care what you read.
You really dont make any sense. If you want me to stfu, you can just leave the forum and watch a little CNN.

Yea, I agree with the experience part, I mean, he was a candidate for the senate seat, then the next thing you know he is our president. but I personally feel Obama will achieve alot and if he dosent, then at least we made history :]

[brooklyneast05]

http://mediamatters.org/items/200808040005#200808050

i think that whole page of stuff is similar to what i saw, which was someone interviewing him about the factual lies in his book. so no, i have no interest in reading it. he's known for his smear now anyway after two books trying to inaccurately smear democratic candidates.

if i was going to read something anti obama, i would personally probably at least pick something more credible in light of all that. so i doubt i'll read it. as i said i haven't read obama's autobiographies. i don't really care to anytime soon either cause i have other reading i'd rather do. whether i like those books or not wouldn't change the fact that he's the president so we might as well accept it and see what happens.

i doubt i'll read anything anti obama or pro obama though cause i don't really care at this point since it is what it is for now.

[Comptine]

All I was saying was I would like to see how it is played out were Obama be up against another black man. Like I said, most people dont pay enough attention to politics and in this time, it is crucial to do so. People may roll their eyes at the idea that this country is slowly falling into socialism and ignore that Obama has socialist ideas. People bought into what Obama was selling: a fake campaign built on lies. Both white people and black people are guilty of that. But everyone looked at Obama as being able to be the first black President, so they disregarded all the factors that make him unqualified for the job.

So, having already a black man as the President of the United States and taking that away from him in 2012, I would like to see just how many of those black people would be for Obama or the other black guy. I singled out Black people, and then went right along and singled out white people after that. Black people were just so enthralled by the idea of having a black man as president, which is a monumental thing. Not all black people, mind you. Some. Most. A lot. It just so happens that he is a complete fake. A fake "savior."

And you think every presidential race before this has been about race? Not like this campaign. A black man and a white man: pretty different than previous elections, Im sure.
You all can think I am ignorant. Just so happens I am not going to sit by, like too many conservatives do, and not let my opinion be heard.

You need to STFU unless you actually try researching some of the stuff you spew out.

74% of voters are WHITE. 74%! An overwhelming majority. And they mostly voted for McCain. And they still lost. Now how many of those white people who voted for your candidate do you think made uninformed decisions?

The minorities? The blacks, the asians, and the latinos? They all voted for Obama. Because he is the candidate the non-mainstream want to see take office. We are tired of the same type of person taking office over and over and over again.

We are tired of Republicans who protect the wealthy so the wealthy stay and continue to get richer. I am tired of seeing my college tuition increase when I see no increase of benefits for myself. I am tired of nearly half our nation unable to afford basic health care, which is detrimental to society because they cannot be productive citizens. Many people share my views. Yes, they are a little socialist but we are tired of the entitled staying entitled and not benefiting society.

I don't care if you're conservative. I don't care how many times you say you are not racist. You can say you're an informed voter but you have done NOTHING to show that you are different from the people you're talking about.

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/...exit-polls.html

[hypnotique]

You need to STFU unless you actually try researching some of the stuff you spew out.

74% of voters are WHITE. 74%! An overwhelming majority. And they mostly voted for McCain. And they still lost. Now how many of those white people who voted for your candidate do you think made uninformed decisions?

The minorities? The blacks, the asians, and the latinos? They all voted for Obama. Because he is the candidate the non-mainstream want to see take office. We are tired of the same type of person taking office over and over and over again.

We are tired of Republicans who protect the wealthy so the wealthy stay and continue to get richer. I am tired of seeing my college tuition increase when I see no increase of benefits for myself. I am tired of nearly half our nation unable to afford basic health care, which is detrimental to society because they cannot be productive citizens. Many people share my views. Yes, they are a little socialist but we are tired of the entitled staying entitled and not benefiting society.

I don't care if you're conservative. I don't care how many times you say you are not racist. You can say you're an informed voter but you have done NOTHING to show that you are different from the people you're talking about.

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/...exit-polls.html

Now thats how we debate here <3333

I really think dosomeshit needs to stop posting in debate because they continue to say the most ignorant things known to jesus.

[salcha4u]

A) They are young and ignorant and only listen to what the media and their beloved celebrities are telling them to vote for, B) They watch nothing but CNN and got caught up in the love affair they had with Obama and paid attention to the reports of how Palin is a moron and McCain is an even bigger moron for picking her as VP or

As much of a little jackass you are, I have to kind of agree on this part.

[*KINGdinguhling*]

You really dont make any sense. If you want me to stfu, you can just leave the forum and watch a little CNN.

YOU NO SPEAK ENGLISH?

[dosomethin888]

You need to STFU unless you actually try researching some of the stuff you spew out.

74% of voters are WHITE. 74%! An overwhelming majority. And they mostly voted for McCain. And they still lost. Now how many of those white people who voted for your candidate do you think made uninformed decisions?

The minorities? The blacks, the asians, and the latinos? They all voted for Obama. Because he is the candidate the non-mainstream want to see take office.


We are tired of the same type of person taking office over and over and over again.

We are tired of Republicans who protect the wealthy so the wealthy stay and continue to get richer. I am tired of seeing my college tuition increase when I see no increase of benefits for myself. I am tired of nearly half our nation unable to afford basic health care, which is detrimental to society because they cannot be productive citizens. Many people share my views. Yes, they are a little socialist but we are tired of the entitled staying entitled and not benefiting society.

I don't care if you're conservative. I don't care how many times you say you are not racist. You can say you're an informed voter but you have done NOTHING to show that you are different from the people you're talking about.

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/...exit-polls.html

The same type of person taking office over and over has only part to do with the crap going on in washington. You cant just single it out as the President who is messing it all up. How about the Congress? There are plenty of greedy people in Washington and outside of Washington who have a big part in why our economy is in a hole.

I want the same things as you do.. but it has nothing to do with what we are debating about. You want all of those things.. yet you believe a man with no experience in reform is going to bring them to you? Okay, we will just have to wait and see. And you think there is nothing wrong with a "little" socialism? Okay. You think spreading the wealth around is a good idea? You are going to college to make a good living just to have it given back to people who dont work as hard as you? And it is not just the Republicans protecting the wealthy, Democrats are pretty guilty of that too.

And I dont care about New York Time's polls. A lot of people did vote. A lot of people didnt vote. I was simply offering who I think should run against Obama in 2012.


... and, uh, many people also share my views. They just dont happen to visit this website.

[*KINGdinguhling*]

Be careful with your words next time. Your previous posts were generalizing people. I don't completely agree with Obama either, but hes better than McCain. I got friends in the war, I'd hope to see them again. Yeah there are a lot of people who share your views, but what, there's twice as more that don't

[fameONE]

The same type of person taking office over and over has only part to do with the crap going on in washington. You cant just single it out as the President who is messing it all up. How about the Congress? There are plenty of greedy people in Washington and outside of Washington who have a big part in why our economy is in a hole.

I want the same things as you do.. but it has nothing to do with what we are debating about. You want all of those things.. yet you believe a man with no experience in reform is going to bring them to you? Okay, we will just have to wait and see. And you think there is nothing wrong with a "little" socialism? Okay. You think spreading the wealth around is a good idea? You are going to college to make a good living just to have it given back to people who dont work as hard as you? And it is not just the Republicans protecting the wealthy, Democrats are pretty guilty of that too.

And I dont care about New York Time's polls. A lot of people did vote. A lot of people didnt vote. I was simply offering who I think should run against Obama in 2012.
... and, uh, many people also share my views. They just dont happen to visit this website.

You're singing a totally different tune now.

[*KINGdinguhling*]

Obama is a moron

Obama is a moron

Obama is a moron

Obama is a moron

Obama is a moron

Obama is a moron

Obama is a moron

Obama is a moron

Obama is a moron

[Comptine]

The same type of person taking office over and over has only part to do with the crap going on in washington. You cant just single it out as the President who is messing it all up. How about the Congress? There are plenty of greedy people in Washington and outside of Washington who have a big part in why our economy is in a hole.

I want the same things as you do.. but it has nothing to do with what we are debating about. You want all of those things.. yet you believe a man with no experience in reform is going to bring them to you? Okay, we will just have to wait and see. And you think there is nothing wrong with a "little" socialism? Okay. You think spreading the wealth around is a good idea? You are going to college to make a good living just to have it given back to people who dont work as hard as you? And it is not just the Republicans protecting the wealthy, Democrats are pretty guilty of that too.

And I dont care about New York Time's polls. A lot of people did vote. A lot of people didnt vote. I was simply offering who I think should run against Obama in 2012.
... and, uh, many people also share my views. They just dont happen to visit this website.

You don't care about the NYT polls because they don't say what you want.

What I'm talking about has everything to do with what we're talking about. And you clearly do not understand the history behind American politics. Republicans have allowed a free market with little government control and Mccain's party would not have done differently if elected. That's the very basis of Republican ideals: little government involvement. And the republicans were fine about not involving themselves until the shit hit the fan. Which is part of the reason why people want change.

And don't use Congress as an example. Republicans use to have the majority. And the president has vetoing powers. And, things that Congress should have focused on got overshadowed by the Iraqi War and the random re-focusing on illegal immigration. Government is tricky business.

And I'm not advocating taking people's hard earned money and just handing it out. It's social responsibility to help those who cannot help themselves. Helping those to become more productive members of society.

/long tangent

If excluding the possibility of Obama running for re-election, Hilary Clinton should try and get the Democrat ticket.

[dosomethin888]

You're singing a totally different tune now.

The debate has progressed, Im not going to say the same things again. Im responding to Comptine, who changed the tune.

You don't care about the NYT polls because they don't say what you want.

What I'm talking about has everything to do with what we're talking about. And you clearly do not understand the history behind American politics. Republicans have allowed a free market with little government control and Mccain's party would not have done differently if elected. That's the very basis of Republican ideals: little government involvement. And the republicans were fine about not involving themselves until the shit hit the fan. Which is part of the reason why people want change.

And don't use Congress as an example. Republicans use to have the majority. And the president has vetoing powers. And, things that Congress should have focused on got overshadowed by the Iraqi War and the random re-focusing on illegal immigration. Government is tricky business.

And I'm not advocating taking people's hard earned money and just handing it out. It's social responsibility to help those who cannot help themselves. Helping those to become more productive members of society.

/long tangent

If excluding the possibility of Obama running for re-election, Hilary Clinton should try and get the Democrat ticket.

There are plenty of polls. Plenty that say what I want and plenty that say what you want. That is why I dont care about your NYT polls.

You can say that I dont know how politics works and that I am ignorant because I think differently from you. Well, actually, from everyone else here. Whatever. Republicans: smaller govt. and less govt. control. Democrats: more govt. and more govt. control. I know that. If you are referring to how the Republicans jumped on the bandwagon regarding the bailout, I dont agree with that. We should have let the banks fail and resurfaced with proper regulation minus the greedy CEO's. But there is hardly any consequences for people's actions nowadays because we do have a corrupt govt. and a sorrupt society.
And dont insult me to the point by saying that I dont know govt. is tricky business.

And by saying that a little socialism is okay, you are advocating that people be handed your money. It is our responsibility to help those who cannot help themselves to a degree.

Now thats how we debate here <3333

I really think dosomeshit needs to stop posting in debate because they continue to say the most ignorant things known to jesus.

By telling me im ignorant, thats just a way of making you sound like your right. Im not ignorant and it would be good if you learned to be tolerant of other's views. If not, you can surround yourself with people who think just like you and call everyone else ignorant. But you are not debating, so unless you want to tell me how I am being "ignorant", you really have nothing important to say.

[brooklyneast05]

By telling me im ignorant, thats just a way of making you sound like your right. Im not ignorant and it would be good if you learned to be tolerant of other's views. If not, you can surround yourself with people who think just like you and call everyone else ignorant. But you are not debating, so unless you want to tell me how I am being "ignorant", you really have nothing important to say.

i actually agree with this. some of people running in here and calling her ignorant aren't even giving real replies. why the hell should what you say make any difference to her when you aren't even saying anything relevant to the topic? just running in and saying how she's so stupid and ignorant and leaving again is annoying. not just to her, but probably to all the people who actually took over 15 seconds to write a reply. ffs

dosomething and i don't agree on hardly ANYTHING political but at least she will actually reply saying something. some of the people who are calling her ignorant have never even proven they themselves aren't ignorant to politics.(not everyone replying, but a couple imo who i won't name) i would wager she knows more about what's going on than a lot even though we see the same events in different ways obviously.

MOTHER f*ckERS

/rant


anyway @ dosomething, you said we should help people who cannot help themselves to a degree. isn't that "a little bit socialist"by your definition because you're redistributing a little bit of wealth? what's your cut off line for that degree though, that's what i don't get? i mean obama isn't flat out taking all of your money and handing it to someone else. i would think anything he's doing is to a degree.

[*paperplane*]

I'd point out (since most of what I'd like to say has already been covered) that it is simply untrue to say that Republicans are for less government and less government control. That may be the thought behind their economic policies, but it doesn't apply to their social stances in the least. Republicans are very much in favor of social control, which is obviously governmental.

And for the record, not making up statistics is one way to avoid looking ignorant. If you're going throw around 90% this, 90% that, back it up with something. Sweeping unfounded generalizations are generally something you want to avoid.

Also, I think someone else pointed this out too, but seriously. Wanting to help people "to a degree" is absolutely "a little socialism." There always has been, always will be at least a little socialism in our government. You don't think we've ever been truly capitalistic, do you? Because that is thoroughly not the case. I know socialism is scary stuff (), but you don't actually want an economy that isn't mixed, either.

[LittleMissSunshi...]

^Because the Constitution only allows for a president to serve 2 terms.

oh yeah i forgot about that. hm, either way, if presidents were allowed to serve more. i don't think they would vote for bush again. our economy is doing horrible, so if bush was running again, i don't think anybody would have voted for him. if you say you would, then cool, i don't have anything against it.

[*KINGdinguhling*]

Republicans: smaller govt. and less govt. control. Democrats: more govt. and more govt. control. I know that.

Look, on most circumstances I agree with the laissez-faire approach to the free market. However, with the poor being poorer and Exxon masturbating in its own billions, don't you think socialism is somewhat acceptable at this point in time?