Athiest Billboard Taken Down Options

[lkajsfklajskds]

http://laist.com/2008/11/21/atheism_only_l...ays_in_ranc.php

"Are religionists so thin-skinned they must squelch free debate? One small freethought billboard in the immense state of California is such a threat to insecure religious egos that it must be censored?

I support freedom of religion and all, but I don't see any billboards advertising other religions. So...I guess it's only fair?

[berrypop90]

I see religious billboards/ads & commercials everywhere. It's a shame that it got taken down. Atleast it was up for a little while.

[brooklyneast05]

yeah isn't there like big signs all over places and radio ads and everything and advertise for churches


so are they going to ban the john lennon song too?





sigh. christian insecurity.

[Tung]

You're a proof of how the media has use Religion as a weapon for propaganda. You're delusional and blind, if you've never seen Religious advertisements and shit. It's f*cken everywhere, so open your damn eyes. Take for example the shopping bag of Forever 21. Look at the very bottom of the yellow bag, and tell me what it says. Also, go to In N Out burger, and look under the cup. Yeah, thanks come again. Hell, look at your damn US currency, and look where it says God Bless America. Religious propaganda is EVERYWHERE.

[Jenni]

i think everybody should appreciate everybody's religions no matter how bad they hate them if u dont like them then stop complaining folow ur own religions

i mean i see religious adds everywhre
why arent they taken down??

[*Janette*]

You're a proof of how the media has use Religion as a weapon for propaganda. You're delusional and blind, if you've never seen Religious advertisements and shit. It's f*cken everywhere, so open your damn eyes. Take for example the shopping bag of Forever 21. Look at the very bottom of the yellow bag, and tell me what it says. Also, go to In N Out burger, and look under the cup. Yeah, thanks come again. Hell, look at your damn US currency, and look where it says God Bless America. Religious propaganda is EVERYWHERE.

I've seen the In-N-Out ones, but what do the forever21 bags say?

[mipadi]

http://laist.com/2008/11/21/atheism_only_l...ays_in_ranc.php
I support freedom of religion and all, but I don't see any billboards advertising other religions. So...I guess it's only fair?

No, we just have to swallow religion everywhere else. How many times does a politicians' speech not mention God, for example?

[sixfive]

It's the American way!

[Joanne]

I don't mean to spam, but why the hell are you using Gigi's avatar? I GOT SO CONFUSED JUST NOW!!

[Harp]

=/ the churches do it. they should be able to, too.
just like this big piece of shit i have to drive by about 3 times a week. is it not the same?

[brooklyneast05]

=/ they churches do it. they should be able to, too.
just like this big piece of shit i have to drive by about 3 times a week. is it not the same?

holy shit


get it? holy shit

[Joanne]

[Joss-eh-lime]

that is stupid message & that billboard was obnoxious
not to say that relgious organizations aren't equally obnoxious..

[brooklyneast05]

how is it really that obnoxious? it's just a billboard with three words on it

[Tramatize]

Way to show freedom of speech.
I think that every church, and every religion should be able to have billboards like that.
As long as there not REALLY offensive, like "f*ck your god!".
But that billboard has absolutely nothing offensive on it.
There is a lot of people i know that don't believe in god and have no idea that there is a religion based on not believing in a god, because there family is so into church.
They had NO right to take that down, unless it was like right beside a church, but even then so.

[lkajsfklajskds]

I've seen the In-N-Out ones, but what do the forever21 bags say?

John 3:16

ohyea! i remember...i see religious ads everywhere..

[dosomethin888]

Arent billboards taken down all the time? I heard that a scantily-clad model was taken down cause it was across the street from a church or schoolyard.

[SharperMyspace]

um.. Atheism isn't a religion, so it's not the same thing. That billboard is bashing millions of people. You are free to believe whatever you want, but you don't have to advertise that you believe in nothing.

However, everyone has the right of free speech, so it shouldn't have been taken down. But I don't know what FFRF thought they were going to accomplish with that board.

[Tung]

um.. Atheism isn't a religion, so it's not the same thing. That billboard is bashing millions of people. You are free to believe whatever you want, but you don't have to advertise that you believe in nothing.

However, everyone has the right of free speech, so it shouldn't have been taken down. But I don't know what FFRF thought they were going to accomplish with that board.

How is that billboard bashing millions of people? You are free to believe whatever you want, but you don't have to advertise you believe in something.

[NoSex]

You are free to believe whatever you want, but you don't have to advertise that you believe in nothing.

well when you're a minority & feel discriminated against & intimidated by a whole culture love drunk stupid off of religion... it may actually help some people to realize that there are a lot of other people who don't believe in god... and, instead, believe in themselves, or science, or film, or genetically engineered crops, or whatever.

in the grand scheme of things, atheists have a metric f*ck ton more reason to advertise & promote themselves in comparison to say, organized religion; most atheists don't have the option of scaring little kids into their beliefs with stupid fairy-tales. further, religion is everywhere... nearly everybody prescribes you... you f*ckers don't need a damn billboard, we do.

[Tramatize]

um.. Atheism isn't a religion, so it's not the same thing. That billboard is bashing millions of people. You are free to believe whatever you want, but you don't have to advertise that you believe in nothing.

However, everyone has the right of free speech, so it shouldn't have been taken down. But I don't know what FFRF thought they were going to accomplish with that board.

its a form of religion,but it just so happens you do not have to go to a church.
Because there isn't anything to worship.

[dosomethin888]

well when you're a minority & feel discriminated against & intimidated by a whole culture love drunk stupid off of religion... it may actually help some people to realize that there are a lot of other people who don't believe in god... and, instead, believe in themselves, or science, or film, or genetically engineered crops, or whatever.

in the grand scheme of things, atheists have a metric f*ck ton more reason to advertise & promote themselves in comparison to say, organized religion; most atheists don't have the option of scaring little kids into their beliefs with stupid fairy-tales. further, religion is everywhere... nearly everybody prescribes you... you f*ckers don't need a damn billboard, we do.

I dont think that religion dominates the US. I think the opposite actually. Everywhere you look you see sex, drugs, harsh language. Everything that western religions do not tolerate. Even now with Prop 8, people are trying to overturn something that was voted in by the people. If that isnt imposing on people then I dont know what is.
I dont agree with the Billboard being taken down. I mean, I dont really care. Cause if enough people complain about something, then usually something is done about it. If a Christian billboard sign was taken down because people complained, I wouldnt be complaining either. I dont think either need it really. Cause Billboards dont really sway people either way.

EDIT: Except for the stupid ones.

[Amaranthus]

*sigh*
You gotta love the zealots.

[NoSex]

I dont think that religion dominates the US. I think the opposite actually. Everywhere you look you see sex, drugs, harsh language. Everything that western religions do not tolerate.

oh shut the f*ck up, christians get all hard on that shit; your religion is about self-pity, self-loathing, and admitted unworthiness! it's a guilt fetish! not to mention, religion is socially constructed... obviously. with moving trends society, religion is bound to change (as we have seen). just because a catholic doesn't give too many shits about sex or the "f" word doesn't mean that they aren't still a component of a religiously dominated ideology.

Even now with Prop 8, people are trying to overturn something that was voted in by the people. If that isnt imposing on people then I dont know what is.

civil rights > popular vote.
are you f*cking retarded? it took the supreme court to say that people of different races could marry... it nearly took a war to decide that black people couldn't be owned by white people... you want to talk about the imposition of people? consider the civil inequalities constantly and consistently attacked by religious fundamentalists and ignorant f*cking hicks. it's called the f*cking constitution you jackass.

Cause Billboards dont really sway people either way.

it's about letting people know that they're not alone. you f*cking idiot. it's not there to convince people of anything...

EDIT: Except for the stupid ones.

yeah... & the major religions already got those people.

[dosomethin888]

oh shut the f*ck up, christians get all hard on that shit; your religion is about self-pity, self-loathing, and admitted unworthiness! it's a guilt fetish! not to mention, religion is socially constructed... obviously. with moving trends society, religion is bound to change (as we have seen). just because a catholic doesn't give too many shits about sex or the "f" word doesn't mean that they aren't still a component of a religiously dominated ideology.

My religion is not about self-pity, self-loathing, and admitted unworthiness. Ya, religion changes with society, but it doesnt change the religion. Christianity is still the same as it always has been... A catholic probably does care about sex.. but they have different ways of going about it. The US is full of atheistic things.. like sex and all that stuff that dominates the society... You cant say that you dont see things like that everywhere you go

civil rights > popular vote.
are you f*cking retarded? it took the supreme court to say that people of different races could marry... it nearly took a war to decide that black people couldn't be owned by white people... you want to talk about the imposition of people? consider the civil inequalities constantly and consistently attacked by religious fundamentalists and ignorant f*cking hicks. it's called the f*cking constitution you jackass.

They are still trying to overturn what the people voted in.

[*paperplane*]

If we were anywhere else on the internet, I'd swear you were a troll.

[Amaranthus]

My religion is not about self-pity, self-loathing, and admitted unworthiness. Ya, religion changes with society, but it doesnt change the religion. Christianity is still the same as it always has been... A catholic probably does care about sex.. but they have different ways of going about it. The US is full of atheistic things.. like sex and all that stuff that dominates the society... You cant say that you dont see things like that everywhere you go
They are still trying to overturn what the people voted in.

Wtf since when is sex an atheistic thing All religions and non-religious groups engage in sex. Obviously, or humanity would cease to exist. Quite frankly, Catholics and Mormons greatly encourage it, though it may be for procreation.
What do you mean by "all that stuff that dominates the society"?

[brooklyneast05]

oh man, i wish only atheists had sex, that would be amazing.

[dosomethin888]

Wtf since when is sex an atheistic thing All religions and non-religious groups engage in sex. Obviously, or humanity would cease to exist. Quite frankly, Catholics and Mormons greatly encourage it, though it may be for procreation.
What do you mean by "all that stuff that dominates the society"?

Sex before marriage is not, which Im sure you are aware of. Nor is sexual promiscuity or baring too much skin. Like... foul language, sex, drugs, alcohol.. all that stuff.

[brooklyneast05]

Sex before marriage is not, which Im sure you are aware of. Nor is sexual promiscuity or baring too much skin. Like... foul language, sex, drugs, alcohol.. all that stuff.

it might not be the "christian thing to do" but it's the christians who do it more than anyone else, or else it wouldn't be that way. the majority of america is christian...soooooooo if america is too sexed and drugged up then it can't be that way without a whole lot of christians partaking in it. a minority can't make it that way.


the majority of people i know who have sex, cuss, do drugs and drink are christian because the majority of people i know are christian. that translates up to a bigger scale of america.

[*paperplane*]

That makes too much sense man

[dosomethin888]

it might not be the "christian thing to do" but it's the christians who do it more than anyone else, or else it wouldn't be that way. the majority of america is christian...soooooooo if america is too sexed and drugged up then it can't be that way without a whole lot of christians partaking in it. a minority can't make it that way.
the majority of people i know who have sex, cuss, do drugs and drink are christian because the majority of people i know are christian. that translates up to a bigger scale of america.

Sorry but you are wrong. Christians may partake in it because I know some who do. (Not myself but some of my friends) But they are not activaly partaking in everything that the Bible says is wrong. This is the common argument that athiests use.. but Christians are not perfect. Ya, we make mistakes just like everyone else but we are making a consious effort not to. Actual Christians try to adhere to the Bible.. and most actually do.

There are some people in the US who claim to be "Christians" but do have sex outside of marriage, have one night stands, dont attend church, curse like a sailor, drink, ... but Christians are not supposed to. So, are they really Christians? Only God is to judge, but I dont think so. How can you be affiliated with a religion if you are making no effort to live by the religions rules? Not only with Christianity, I bet it is the same in the East with their religions. But in the US Ive noticed people have a tendency to call themselves Christians and not obey God in the slightest. It gives a bad name to the Christians who actually do.

Like my Aunt. She is a strong democrat.. im not bashing democrats (right now) but they hold beliefs that dont agree with the Bible in the slightest. Her, as well as a lot of my extended family, are mean to me and my parents and exclude us from events and their lives because we are Christians. She doesnt attend church, doesnt read the Bible but still claims she is Catholic. I dont think she is, she doesnt make any effort to live by Catholic standards.

[*paperplane*]

oh, f*ck off. You have NO right to judge whether someone else really is a Catholic or any other religion. This is why organized religion sucks. It leads to all this hyper-judgmental bullshit. You do not know. If someone says they believe in Jesus, then they f*cking believe in Jesus. And if they don't, then they're only lying because they know admitting to being even agnostic would piss off an intolerant twat like you. Your aunt may well be a hypocrite for not living by the Bible, but you don't seem to be either, and I'm inclined to think you are one as well.

And I'll refrain, at least for now, for verbally assaulting you in response to the Democrat comment.

[Joss-eh-lime]

how is it really that obnoxious? it's just a billboard with three words on it

i guess obnoxious isn't the right word..
i just think contraversial messages are shouldnt be plastered all over the televsion & hovering over my head on the freeway.

but thats freedom of speech for you..

[dosomethin888]

oh, f*ck off. You have NO right to judge whether someone else really is a Catholic or any other religion. This is why organized religion sucks. It leads to all this hyper-judgmental bullshit. You do not know. If someone says they believe in Jesus, then they f*cking believe in Jesus. And if they don't, then they're only lying because they know admitting to being even agnostic would piss off an intolerant twat like you. Your aunt may well be a hypocrite for not living by the Bible, but you don't seem to be either, and I'm inclined to think you are one as well.

And I'll refrain, at least for now, for verbally assaulting you in response to the Democrat comment.

Whatever. Im not gonna be all sugar-coated and be all like "Oh, if you say your a Christian but you want to have one night stands, and be pro-choice, and get drunk and get high thats fine!"


And I didnt say anything negative about Democrats except that they do stand for things that the Bible does not.

Im not judgemental, I just dont like how people claim to live their life for God and then break his rules every single day. Im not saying people are perfect, expecially not Christians, but if they are making no effort to live by the rules of a religion, how can they claim they are?

[*paperplane*]

Oh, I didn't realize that I'd cut out my disclaimer. I don't have a problem with what you believe in terms of a religion, I have a problem with how you judge people according to that. Christianity doesn't just involve doing shit; loving others is a pretty big part of it. Far more important, I'd say. I make no pretense of being a true Christian, so it's not the least bit hypocritical of me to judge you for the things you say. And yeah, I'm judging you for the things that you say, not your religious beliefs. I have plenty of friends who center their lives around their belief in God, but they manage to actually be good people and not look down upon those who don't live by a rigid set of beliefs. God, I went to mass last night an was unusually inspired by the readings and homilies, because none of it involved condemning other people. It's that shit that gives Christians a bad name, not the ones who are simply living their lives the way they want to live it. Yeah, if people want to have one night stands, do those things, whatever...it is fine. It doesn't effect you. You should know that God will determine whether their faith is true, it's not your place.

You didn't say, but you certainly implied. Like that Republicanism is somehow more adherent to be Bible, which it isn't. And shouldn't be. This is not a theocracy.

It shouldn't be about "the religion," it should be about one's own personal beliefs. Hence the billboard. Which is not even "atheist," by the way.

[JonHMChan]

The biggest problem I have with organized religion - or religion in general - or faith in general - is the fact that it is so inimical to critical thought. Even without religion/faith, there are enough people in the world who do not think enough about the things that they do or think; people (especially in such a radically religious place like America) hardly question why we have certain social constructs (racism, sexism, slavery, homophobia) to see if they are even valid or not.

I also see no reason to attribute what people, nature, or events in general to God or some higher power at all. Why blame AIDS on an already marginalized people for being "sinful?" (Whatever that may mean or is based on) Why thank God or some other higher power for something that you have done? Why is it necessary? The things that organized religion proclaims are true seem to have no standard for which we can base their validity on - it embodies ignorance, intolerance, irresponsibility, and blindness.

[NoSex]

Sorry but you are wrong. Christians may partake in it because I know some who do. (Not myself but some of my friends) But they are not activaly partaking in everything that the Bible says is wrong. This is the common argument that athiests use.. but Christians are not perfect. Ya, we make mistakes just like everyone else but we are making a consious effort not to. Actual Christians try to adhere to the Bible.. and most actually do.

"In general, higher rates of belief in and worship of a creator correlate with higher rates of homicide, juvenile and early adult mortality, STD infection rates, teen pregnancy, and abortion in the prosperous democracies"[1]

"No democracy is known to have combined strong religiosity and popular denial of evolution with high rates of societal health. Higher rates of non-theism and acceptance of human evolution usually correlate with lower rates of dysfunction, and the least theistic nations are usually the least dysfunctional. None of the strongly secularized, pro-evolution democracies is experiencing high levels of measurable dysfunction"[2]

"There is evidence that within the U.S. strong disparities in religious belief versus acceptance of evolution are correlated with similarly varying rates of societal dysfunction, the strongly theistic, anti-evolution south and mid-west having markedly worse homicide, mortality, STD, youth pregnancy, marital and related problems than the northeast where societal conditions, secularization, and acceptance of evolution approach European norms (Aral and Holmes; Beeghley, Doyle, 2002)"[3]

The Federal Bureau of Prisons does have statistics on religious
affiliations of inmates. The following are total number of
inmates per religion category [4]:

Response Number %
---------------------------- --------
Catholic 29267 39.164%
Protestant 26162 35.008%
Muslim 5435 7.273%
American Indian 2408 3.222%
Nation 1734 2.320%
Rasta 1485 1.987%
Jewish 1325 1.773%
Church of Christ 1303 1.744%
Pentecostal 1093 1.463%
Moorish 1066 1.426%
Buddhist 882 1.180%
Jehovah Witness 665 0.890%
Adventist 621 0.831%
Orthodox 375 0.502%
Mormon 298 0.399%
Scientology 190 0.254%
Atheist 156 0.209%
Hindu 119 0.159%
Santeria 117 0.157%
Sikh 14 0.019%
Bahai 9 0.012%
Krishna 7 0.009%
---------------------------- --------
Total Known Responses 74731 100.001% (rounding to 3 digits does this)

Im not judgemental, I just dont like how people claim to live their life for God and then break his rules every single day. Im not saying people are perfect, expecially not Christians, but if they are making no effort to live by the rules of a religion, how can they claim they are?

when was the last time you stoned your kid for disobeying his mother? or when was the last time you forced a rape victim to marry her assaulter? or have you ever worn mixed fabrics? worked on the sabbath? when was the last time you burnt down an entire city because everyone in it liked to have butt sex? the bible is full of a shit-load of absurd as shit, crazy stupid f*cking laws and rules that no one in the world could or would follow. the bible says a lot more about killing your neighbor for blaspheming against god than it does about not saying "f*ck," so shut the f*ck up!


p.s. if you don't think religion hasn't changed (in order to conform to society)... oh my are you more ignorant than i thought, ahhahhah! READ A f*ckING BOOK!

[dosomethin888]

Oh, I didn't realize that I'd cut out my disclaimer. I don't have a problem with what you believe in terms of a religion, I have a problem with how you judge people according to that. Christianity doesn't just involve doing shit; loving others is a pretty big part of it. Far more important, I'd say. I make no pretense of being a true Christian, so it's not the least bit hypocritical of me to judge you for the things you say. And yeah, I'm judging you for the things that you say, not your religious beliefs. I have plenty of friends who center their lives around their belief in God, but they manage to actually be good people and not look down upon those who don't live by a rigid set of beliefs. God, I went to mass last night an was unusually inspired by the readings and homilies, because none of it involved condemning other people. It's that shit that gives Christians a bad name, not the ones who are simply living their lives the way they want to live it. Yeah, if people want to have one night stands, do those things, whatever...it is fine. It doesn't effect you. You should know that God will determine whether their faith is true, it's not your place.

You didn't say, but you certainly implied.

It shouldn't be about "the religion," it should be about one's own personal beliefs. Hence the billboard. Which is not even "atheist," by the way.

Maybe because this is a forum and you dont actually know me as a person that I come off as judgemental. I would never have said those things about Christians if Brooklyn had not said that they are the ones that do them more than others. I do not judge people. I am not a racist, I am not a sexist, and I certainly dont think of others through their appearances. Im pretty sure Im a pretty nice person.

And I know its not completely about the religion. Its about a person's personal relationship with God. But God demands that we live our lives according to his rules, that we obey the rules he has put in the Bible and try to honor him in everything we do. If you have Jesus Christ in your heart, then you are a Christian. But then there are these people walkin around doin this and doin that, not trying at all to do what God wants and not trying to do anything that benefits Him. I dont ever go around condeming people. I think both play a part in giving Christians a bad name, as well as the ones who are simply living their lives the way they want to live it.

I want you to understand what I meant about my aunt. She is a woman who wants absolutely nothing to do with God or us, my family, the Christians. She constantly curses "Jesus Christ!" and "God Dammit!" blatantly in front of us. When she asks my mom what she did last weekend, and my mom dares to say that she went to a Christian Women's conference. She rolls her eyes and makes a face as soon as my mom looks away. She has extreme liberal (I dared to say it) views that dont agree with the Bible. And then one day she tells me "Ya, Im a Christian." Whatever. Whatever. Whatever.

[Reidar]

this big piece of shit i have to drive by about 3 times a week. is it not the same?

Do you believe the Parthenon is a "piece of shit" because it was constructed in honor of the Greek gods? The church grounds notwithstanding, you shouldn't be objecting to culturally-relevant art.

I dont think that religion dominates the US.

The objective majority in polls is a profession to believe in some form of faith, so demographically, it does. Principally, of course, the country has always been of secular basis.

[brooklyneast05]

yeah which again is my point in what i said before. if the majority of america is a bunch of slutty alcoholic addicts and the majority of americans claim to be christian...WELL THERE YOU GO!

it's just a fact, if you don't personally feel they are "real christians" then so be it, but they still identify as that so my statement before still holds true.

[NoSex]

Do you believe the Parthenon is a "piece of shit" because it was constructed in honor of the Greek gods? The church grounds notwithstanding, you shouldn't be objecting to culturally-relevant art.

i think this shit is more relevant:


man, that shit is all f*cking over indiana.

[JonHMChan]

Speaking of the United States being a principally secular thing:

Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus."

"I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies."

If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.

“This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it”

[*paperplane*]

Those quotes are photoshopped.

The US is a Christian country!

[Reidar]

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1094/589232029_c36f3faea8.jpg

That's not art, that's just badass.

[brooklyneast05]

Those quotes are photoshopped.

The US is a Christian country!

ONE NATION UNDER GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111111

[SharperMyspace]

ok. This is why I can't stand these forums, and this will probably be the last time I ever visit them. You guys are the rudest, most ignorant people I have ever met. You all just yell at each other and cuss each other out. I don't see how any new members would want to become a part of these forums! Whenever someone says something, everyone just jumps on top of them and starts bashing them. Do you talk like this to people in real life?

There is a difference between saying "I disagree with you, and this is why..." and "F*ck you! This is why I hate everyone like you!! You f*ckin ****! F*ck off!" And obviously most of you don't know that.

And I know that within 20 minutes of me posting this, there will be tons of you who reply and prove my point. But I don't really care, cause I am done. Cb resource center and Cb community center are two entirely different places. I am happy to be a part of the resource center, but would like no part in the "community" center.

[JonHMChan]

What does it even mean to say that a quotation is "photoshopped"? These are legitimate quotations, and for you to simply discount them without the need for proof or basis is exactly what I am talking about when I say that organized religion is just a factory that literally brainwashes people to function off of ignorance, intolerance, anti-intellectualism, and cowardice. It's almost sickening that I live with such a religiously zealous country that was so devoted to secularism and reason.

[*paperplane*]

What does it even mean to say that a quotation is "photoshopped"? These are legitimate quotations, and for you to simply discount them without the need for proof or basis is exactly what I am talking about when I say that organized religion is just a factory that literally brainwashes people to function off of ignorance, intolerance, anti-intellectualism, and cowardice. It's almost sickening that I live with such a religiously zealous country that was so devoted to secularism and reason.

Dude, I was kidding.

[brooklyneast05]

[JonHMChan]

You don't get it. Now it's just cowardice. Regardless of whether or not you were kidding, the frustration isn't any less potent.

[NoSex]

Do you talk like this to people in real life?

p.s. stfu you self-righteous snob. grow a pair & learn the internet.
p.p.s. evaluate the content of the argument, not the packaging.
p.p.p.s. if you can't do either of those things, my excessive swearing & rude behavior has, hopefully, done its job & you really won't ever come back. READ A BOOK!
p.p.p.p.s. stop reading this & get!

[brooklyneast05]

You don't get it. Now it's just cowardice. Regardless of whether or not you were kidding, the frustration isn't any less potent.

what's just cowardice?

[*paperplane*]

You don't get it. Now it's just cowardice. Regardless of whether or not you were kidding, the frustration isn't any less potent.

Given that I was agreeing with you and thought they made a good point, I don't really know why or how that makes sense...but ok. Whatever.

[JonHMChan]

My mistake then. I got heated. Debating organized religion does that.

[Tomates]

There are some people in the US who claim to be "Christians" but do have sex outside of marriage, have one night stands, dont attend church, curse like a sailor, drink, ... but Christians are not supposed to. So, are they really Christians?

after reading a lot of your back to back things with everyone this just kinda pissed me off, especially that remark. Just because someone does sex or drugs doesnt mean they are not christan.

Whatever. Im not gonna be all sugar-coated and be all like "Oh, if you say your a Christian but you want to have one night stands, and be pro-choice, and get drunk and get high thats fine!"
And I didnt say anything negative about Democrats except that they do stand for things that the Bible does not.

I know this was towards paperplane a bit but but i just wanted to add something.
Im pro-choice and im a christan.
Does that make me a sinner?
I mean is it my fault for saying that im pro-choice because i believe that women should choose whether or not to keep a child? especially if they are under the age of 18 and were possibly raped and got pregnant for that? Does that really make me un-christian?

[NoSex]

Does that really make me un-christian?

according to the bible? sort of, yes. but don't worry, if you wear mixed fabrics, don't murder people for believing in other gods, or work on the sabbath... you aren't really a christian either.

[Amaranthus]

Also, aren't we supposed to stone adulterers and not cut our facial hairs?
I guess I'm not a great Christian after all.

[dosomethin888]

after reading a lot of your back to back things with everyone this just kinda pissed me off, especially that remark. Just because someone does sex or drugs doesnt mean they are not christan.
I know this was towards paperplane a bit but but i just wanted to add something.
Im pro-choice and im a christan.
Does that make me a sinner?
I mean is it my fault for saying that im pro-choice because i believe that women should choose whether or not to keep a child? especially if they are under the age of 18 and were possibly raped and got pregnant for that? Does that really make me un-christian?

I meant that if a person claims they are a Christian and does not give any effort to obey the Bible, go to Church, give any reverance to God, then I would question their devotion to their faith. Actually, I wouldnt in real life, I was just replying to Brooklyn's comment. Do I judge people I meet every day and decide whether they are Christian or not? No. Does it even cross my mind ever? No.

And all Im gonna say about the thing on abortion is that the Bible teaches that all human life is sacrad and all human life is made in the image of God. To kill a human, in any form, is murder. But I agree with you that abortions should be granted in cases of rape. If an under-18 year old chose to have sex with no protection and got pregnant, I dont think she should be able to kill it.

.... And here comes the 5 replies telling me that Im a b*tch and that Im ignorant and completely wrong...................

[NoSex]

And all Im gonna say about the thing on abortion is that the Bible teaches that all human life is sacrad and all human life is made in the image of God. To kill a human, in any form, is murder.

so do you even actually read the bible or are you just f*cking crazy? i mean like, are you just like... i like this rule, i'll follow this rule... i don't like this rule, i won't follow this rule! i mean, where do you draw the line dummy? and, why are you drawing it in the first place? shouldn't you be obeying the word of the lord? i mean, if you're a true christian. why aren't you slaughtering the heathens yet?

[datass]

dont think that religion dominates the US. I think the opposite actually. Everywhere you look you see sex, drugs, harsh language. Everything that western religions do not tolerate. Even now with Prop 8, people are trying to overturn something that was voted in by the people. If that isnt imposing on people then I dont know what is.
I dont agree with the Billboard being taken down. I mean, I dont really care. Cause if enough people complain about something, then usually something is done about it. If a Christian billboard sign was taken down because people complained, I wouldnt be complaining either. I dont think either need it really. Cause Billboards dont really sway people either way.

EDIT: Except for the stupid ones.

obnoxious retard

If an under-18 year old chose to have sex with no protection and got pregnant, I dont think she should be able to kill it.

who gives what you think? (wrong debate but seriously..)