McCain picks Palin as VP Options

[Rogue_Ewok]

WTF? I guess he's lost it... I did not see this coming.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25970882/

Discuss.

[DontStealMyNameI...]

He's going after Hillary supporters I guess

[hi-C]

I was seriously hoping he'd pick Lieberman or Romney so I could laugh at him. I think his choice of Palin is worse than Obama's choice of Biden. You can't criticize someone on being "inexperienced" and then pick some young thang VP. She's younger than Obama, and she's only been a governor for 2 years. And she's from ALASKA. Who lives in Alaska?

[DontStealMyNameI...]

I was hoping he'd pick Lieberman too, that would've been pretty interesting.

[mipadi]

Who?

[hi-C]

Exactly.

Sarah Palin, mother of 5, member of the PTA, and less than one term governor from Alaska.

[brooklyneast05]

randommmmmmmmmm

[superstitious]

randommmmmmmmmm

Pretty much.

[technicolour]

Well that was random. And different. And not expected.

[*paperplane*]

Every mention I'd seen of her previously had been, "But why would McCain pick Tina Fey?"

go figure

[superstitious]

Every mention I'd seen of her previously had been, "But why would McCain pick Tina Fey?"

go figure

You know, Tina Fey does rock.

[brooklyneast05]

i do not think this was a good pick at all. how are you gonna drill in the inexperience stuff on obama and then pick this lady? i think it's underestimating women voters if they think that they will back this lady JUST because she's a woman. i'm disappointed. he should have gone with romney imo.

[superstitious]

i do not think this was a good pick at all. how are you gonna drill in the inexperience stuff on obama and then pick this lady? i think it's underestimating women voters if they think that they will back this lady JUST because she's a woman. i'm disappointed. he should have gone with romney imo.

JC, you'd be surprised how many women would vote for someone based on the fact that the candidate is a female. Many of the Clinton supporters I've met here in the south listed that as their primary reason. It's quite sad.

[brooklyneast05]

JC, you'd be surprised how many women would vote for someone based on the fact that the candidate is a female. Many of the Clinton supporters I've met here in the south listed that as their primary reason. It's quite sad.

i agree that is sad. maybe i'm overestimating women voters


i just really don't understand why he picked her...

[Lansing]

She brings with her a really strong background in energy policy, which is a major issue right now.

I think it's a very innovative choice and vital for the party.

But I also think she needs a MAKEOVER.

[Tung]

Who's getting desperate now? Obama or McCain?

Exactly....

[brooklyneast05]

i can't wait for the biden palin debate

[superstitious]

i can't wait for the biden palin debate

Definitely a martini night.

[brooklyneast05]

i just read cafferty saying this:

All we have heard from John McCain for months is, “Barack Obama is too young. Barack Obama is too inexperienced to be commander-in-chief. Who do you want answering the phone in the White House at three a.m.? Blah, blah, blah.”

So what does McCain do? He picks someone to be his running mate who is even younger than Barack Obama and has less experience.

Sara Palin is 44 – Obama is 47. Sara Palin is in her first term as governor of Alaska, a state that has 13 people and some caribou. Obama is a member of the United States Senate from Illinois.

It’s not a big deal, except for this: If McCain wins, he will be the oldest person ever inaugurated for a first term at 72. He has a history of health problems that include bouts of melanoma, a potentially deadly form of skin cancer. It is reasonable to consider that McCain’s running mate could be called upon to be our president.

Meanwhile, some may see this as a move for McCain to attract disaffected women who voted for Hillary Clinton and aren’t yet behind Obama. But that might not work for a few reasons: Palin, like McCain, is pro-life. Also, she might be a woman, but she’s no Hillary Clinton.

the bolded part is my thought too. i think that makes it much more risky feeling.

[demolished]

... wow

it's okay, obama's black, his vp's white. of course, they could unite all the blacks and whites to vote for them

[brooklyneast05]

... wow

it's okay, obama's black, his vp's white. of course, they could unite all the blacks and whites to vote for them

what are you talking about?

[Tung]

He's talking out of his ass again.

[superstitious]

Um, maybe he's trying to reference McCain using a chick to unite votes and that Obama is using a white guy to unite votes?

Hell if I know. lol The way the mind works perpetually perplexes me.

[brooklyneast05]

^maybe.

i'm going to go with tung on this one though.

[hi-C]

ahg. The only republican I like is Rudy...

Ew, why?

[superstitious]

Details of Palin's personal life have contributed to her political image. She hunts, eats moose hamburger, ice fishes, rides snowmobiles, and owns a float plane.[16][75] Palin holds a lifetime membership with the National Rifle Association. In December 2007, Palin posed for a photo spread in the fashion magazine Vogue.

Mind you, I got this from wikipedia so grain of salt all around.

Palin strikes a pose for Vogue

Interesting. Towards the bottom there is some pretty negative feedback. It's back from December of 2007, but still.

[EyeLuvMeesun]

Time for Hypocrite of the Year!

and the nomination goes to.........?

[Starts Drum Roll]

John Mccain!

Congratulations you old rich f*****!

[coconutter]

He's just trying to steal the limelight from Obama after his amazing speech last night. He's so desperate, and I think the voters can start to see that.

[technicolour]

^ Duh he's trying to steal the limelight. The Dem's have been in the limelight for the past week. It's the republicans turn. Supposedly. It WAS the democratic convention after all. The Republican one I believe is next week.

Time for Hypocrite of the Year!

and the nomination goes to.........?

[Starts Drum Roll]

John Mccain!

Congratulations you old rich f*****!

Why is he a hypocrite?






COMPLETELY neutral question, I just want to know what you're thinking....

[hi-C]

^ Well, for one thing, the most blatant hypocrisy is that McDumbass has critiqued Obama on being young and inexperienced, and yet his VP pick is someone younger and even more inexperienced than Obama.

[The-March-Hare]

Wow.

Way to make a blatant attempt at trying to steal some of the novelty of first black president by trying to get the first female VP on your ticket.

How transparent is that, lol.

Oh, and LOL at the description of Alaska as having 13 people and some caribou. Tickled me.

[The-March-Hare]

No, I know that. I meant that were she elected, she would be the first female VP.

The first for a major party was Geraldine Ferraro, running mate of Mondale, if memory serves.

[firechild]

Lol. First female VP

[towntown2]

I'd heard her name being mentioned as one of the possible picks.
I had a feeling he might pick her, but I was still surprised nonetheless.

This has to be McCain's attempt to gain voters and appeal to that "historic" angle.
Obama's got the first black presidential nominee, and now McCain has the first [potential] woman vice president.

[technicolour]

I know that it is still a big deal, but there is more to someone than whether they're African American or a woman.

[towntown2]

^^ True.
But you know that those things--gender and race--factor quite a bit into a person's decision making.

Btw, I think I have that Vogue article.
Or maybe it's Elle.

[Teesa]

like everyone has said, totally random. i really thought he would pick romney.


i just read somewhere on cnn that apparently mccain had only talked to palin like ONCE before. grrreat choice there.

[brooklyneast05]

i'm still just completely thrown off by this choice. i don't get it.

[kimmytree]

I was shocked when CNN first announced it. I'm a Democrat, but one of those Hilary supporters who has a hard time with supporting Obama. So I was kinda hoping he'd pick Lieberman.

But Palin?! He's gone crazy. Im surprised the GOP even allowed this to happen. You'd think they'd be the ones behind the scenes picking the VP for him. I heard that prior today, McCain had only met with her ONCE, and she's only been the governor of AK for 2 years. Prior to that, she was just a mayor of some tiny little hole in the ground.

And oh, her husband just happens to work for BP.

[brooklyneast05]

I was shocked when CNN first announced it. I'm a Democrat, but one of those Hilary supporters who has a hard time with supporting Obama. So I was kinda hoping he'd pick Lieberman.

wouldn't you still rather want to support your party...hillary's party?

[kimmytree]

wouldn't you still rather want to support your party...hillary's party?

That's what I'm going to do. I dont dislike Obama - he just wasnt my pick. I was trying to remain open minded... and if he would have picked Lieberman, I would have considered crossing party lines. He's an Independent afterall. And In the past, McCain has had some more Democratic views. But I feel like now I have no choice but to support the party.

[fameONE]

i'm still just completely thrown off by this choice. i don't get it.

Perhaps McCain felt as if he had enough experience and clout within his area of responsibilities to pick up the slack for a grossly inexperienced, female VP. Palin looks good for McCain because he seems like less of a dinosaur, less of a caveman cheauvanist, and more like a human being in touch with the social climate of today's America. I would say that this wouldn't matter, but when targeting young voters who have chosen Obama by default after Hilary's defeat, a (fairly) young (well, she looks good for her age), sexy, figurehead like Palin will swing momentum his way. I wouldn't be surprised if the rest of this Republican presidential campaign is focused on Palin, as if she's the front-runner.

[brooklyneast05]

Perhaps McCain felt as if he had enough experience and clout within his area of responsibilities to pick up the slack for a grossly inexperienced, female VP. Palin looks good for McCain because he seems like less of a dinosaur, less of a caveman cheauvanist, and more like a human being in touch with the social climate of today's America. I would say that this wouldn't matter, but when targeting young voters who have chosen Obama by default after Hilary's defeat, a (fairly) young (well, she looks good for her age), sexy, figurehead like Palin will swing momentum his way. I wouldn't be surprised if the rest of this Republican presidential campaign is focused on Palin, as if she's the front-runner.

well if mccain kicks the bucket he can't make up for a grossly inexperienced vp. if he was like 50 something i wouldn't be so worried about this happening

[KryMeARiver]

Perhaps McCain felt as if he had enough experience and clout within his area of responsibilities to pick up the slack for a grossly inexperienced, female VP.

Palin has more executive experience than Obama, Biden and McCain combined.

[SharperMyspace]

He should have picked a black women! haha

[brooklyneast05]

He should have picked a black women! haha

like condoleezza rice?

[sixfive]

like condoleezza rice?

Michelle Obama.

[technicolour]

Palin has more executive experience than Obama, Biden and McCain combined.

This is true. She has 13 years of experience in an elected office. Sure it was Mayor, Governor, etc, normal "small" political roles, but she is the only one out of all 4 of them that can claim experience of actually running something.

[Tung]

McCain is 72 years old. He got alot of healthy problems. Just one heartbeat gone wrong, and we could have this Palin chick as our new President. Here's why she sucks.


1. She was elected Alaska's governor a little over a year and a half ago. Her previous office was mayor of Wasilla, a small town outside Anchorage. She has no foreign policy experience.
2. Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest. I ain't down with that.
3. She supported right-wing extremist Pat Buchanan for president in 2000. LOL?
4. Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools. Uh okay..
5. She's doesn't think humans are the cause of climate change. Wtf? Hahaha. Is she a moron?
6. She's solidly in line with John McCain's "Big Oil first" energy policy. She's pushed hard for more oil drilling and says renewables won't be ready for years. She also sued the Bush administration for listing polar bears as an endangered species—she was worried it would interfere with more oil drilling in Alaska.
7. How closely did John McCain vet this choice? He met Sarah Palin once at a meeting. They spoke a second time, last Sunday, when he called her about being vice-president. Then he offered her the position. Hmm....

[hi-C]

I think so, I remember the name Geraldine. (from amhist)

Geraldine Ferraro.

[coconutter]

Did any of you see her on an interview where she said "What exactly does a vice president do? I'm still waiting for someone to tell me this". If McCain were to die, which is likely, he has a history of cancer and he's 72, we'd all be screwed. We've had enough troubles with Bush in office for eight years, we REALLY don't need more.

[brooklyneast05]

Well, if she's really that bad, if it comes to the point where she is president, and times are really tough, she could just be impeached.

considering Bush has made it this whole time i don't find that much comfort in that

[firechild]

McCain Sucks. Period. End.

[*paperplane*]

considering Bush has made it this whole time i don't find that much comfort in that

no seriously

[coconutter]

She was also involved in some type of scandal, and at the end of this video she asks "What exactly does a VP do?"

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/washingtonpostinvestigations/2008/08/mccains_vp_pick_palin_facing_e.html ://http://voices.washingtonpost.com/wa..._facing_e.html

Pleeease don't let her get VP!

[hi-C]

So, Diddy is a nutcase, but I think he expresses a lot of the concerns of regular people: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thmueS0ngAs

[KryMeARiver]

Diddy is the dude who was bitching because gas prices are so high, that he has to fly first class instead of on his private plane.he s

[technicolour]

Well. Ok. Everyone's all up in arms because she wondered what a VP actually does. Does anyone actually know what a VP really does?


And, no, she won't get impeached. They didn't impeach Clinton for lying on national TV, did they? Bush is still in office, right? Nah, it won't happen. Plus, it means that people over in Washington would actually have to do something. God forbid.


And Diddy is dumb. Just...ugh.

[hi-C]

Diddy is the dude who was bitching because gas prices are so high, that he has to fly first class instead of on his private plane.he s

Diddy is an arrogant a-hole, but he's only expressing how his lifestyle has changed, like the millions of Americans who can no longer afford to fly, albeit on a grander scale. Also, just because he's an arrogant a-hole, it doesn't mean that his opinion on politics is any different from those of people who aren't making as much money or money than he is.

AND... OH SHIT LOOK AT THIS: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/3.../137/486/580223
An interesting read, even if it's gossipy.

[hi-res]

So, Diddy is a nutcase, but I think he expresses a lot of the concerns of regular people: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thmueS0ngAs

True, he does express a lot of concerns regular folk have running around in their heads about Palin, but I would have rather seen Diddy a least make an effort to provide a somewhat educated and informed plea as to why Palin isn't qualified. He comes off as kind of ignorant.


And he could have did without the camera spinning around, seriously.

[KryMeARiver]

I'm actually hoping for an ineffectual VP. People complain about Cheney all the time, and they still want a strong VP? Dan Quayle was hilarious, we need more VPs like him.

and lol @ the dailyKos link. Glad to see the liberal elite is so much more classy than DEM REDNECK CONSERVATIVES.

[*paperplane*]

Well. Ok. Everyone's all up in arms because she wondered what a VP actually does. Does anyone actually know what a VP really does?

Have you never taken a government class?

[towntown2]

Michelle Obama.

Oh, man.
That would create something of a Shriver-Schwarzenegger situation going on.

[technicolour]

Have you never taken a government class?

Yeah, it was required. My teacher was, well, he was a great teacher he just focused on different things. Plus the class was 20 days, so, not a lot of time to cover a lot of things.

[DontStealMyNameI...]

AND... OH SHIT LOOK AT THIS: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/3.../137/486/580223
An interesting read, even if it's gossipy.

Wow, if all that is true than yeah this was one hell of a bad choice for McCain.

[sixfive]

Have you never taken a government class?

Everyone knows that the only role of a VP is to be a tiebreaker.

[coconutter]

Well. Ok. Everyone's all up in arms because she wondered what a VP actually does. Does anyone actually know what a VP really does?
And, no, she won't get impeached. They didn't impeach Clinton for lying on national TV, did they? Bush is still in office, right? Nah, it won't happen. Plus, it means that people over in Washington would actually have to do something. God forbid.
And Diddy is dumb. Just...ugh.

Uhh I know what a VP does. Their main job is to preside over the senate, and if they wish they can take a more backseat role when helping with presidential jobs or they could be like dick cheney and pretty much be the president.

Oh yeah, and I'd hope someone who has a masters in political science (like sarah does) would know what the VP does. I'd hope even MORE the person running for VP would know what the VP does.

That's like saying the presidential candidate doesn't know what the president does. Wouldn't you be "all up in arms about it"? The future of your country could lie in the hands of someone who doesn't know what they're doing and that's not something we need right now. Who cares if other people don't know what the VP does, it's not their job. But the person who has the potential to be the VP should know what the hell they're doing.

[technicolour]

Okay. Good point.


bfjkdsagfdsafd.

I'll quit.

[hi-C]

Ahem.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/01/pal...eref=rss_latest

[coconutter]

Ahem.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/01/pal...eref=rss_latest

I think they picked her just to throw away the election.

It really doesn't matter if her daughter's pregnant, that's irrelevant, but I'm sure the conservatives will have some negative feedback on that.

[hi-C]

I think it's relevant. Not in a "oh, she doesn't know how to run her family, how is she going to run a country?" way, but in a policy way, i.e. her stance on abortion and sex ed.

[*paperplane*]

Abstinence only education doesn't work? No wayz!

[dannyordinary]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thmueS0ngAs...feature=related

[hi-C]

I guess you missed this, huh?

So, Diddy is a nutcase, but I think he expresses a lot of the concerns of regular people: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thmueS0ngAs

[coconutter]

I think it's relevant. Not in a "oh, she doesn't know how to run her family, how is she going to run a country?" way, but in a policy way, i.e. her stance on abortion and sex ed.

Oh, the abortion and sex ed stance is definitely in relevance to her daughter's pregnancy, but I was saying it's not relevant to the election, though. Which it isn't because why would her daughter's pregnancy affect her ability to run for office? It wouldn't. It should however, change her stance on abstinence only education, because obviously it didn't work for her daughter, and it most likely won't work with anyone else.

[hi-C]

Oh, the abortion and sex ed stance is definitely in relevance to her daughter's pregnancy, but I was saying it's not relevant to the election, though. Which it isn't because why would her daughter's pregnancy affect her ability to run for office? It wouldn't. It should however, change her stance on abstinence only education, because obviously it didn't work for her daughter, and it most likely won't work with anyone else.

Right, that's exactly what I'm saying. It should change her stance, but it probably (more than likely) won't. I don't want a vice-president, potentially president, who doesn't support abstinence only education and who might (this is just me conjecturing) potentially cut funding for sex ed programs, Planned Parenthood, etc.

[coconutter]

Right, that's exactly what I'm saying. It should change her stance, but it probably (more than likely) won't. I don't want a vice-president, potentially president, who doesn't support abstinence only education and who might (this is just me conjecturing) potentially cut funding for sex ed programs, Planned Parenthood, etc.

She'd be just the idiot to do that too. God, I really hope she doesn't get VP, with her we're all doomed. If we have her as president, we're even MORE doomed.

[brooklyneast05]

^that's a bit dramatic.

[coconutter]

^that's a bit dramatic.

Well, yeah I think we could handle her as VP, but if she were to become president, with no experience in foreign policy and leading such a huge population, I don't think she could handle it. She doesn't even know what a VP does :/

[hi-C]

^ In that case, the Speaker of the House would be president, I believe. Since that's how the chain of command goes.

[brooklyneast05]

i was a lot more satisfied with McCain when the christian right wasn't thrilled with him

[The-March-Hare]

^ No, it doesn't work in a 'bump-up' style. If a VP is sworn in following the death of a sitting president, or any other circumstances which cause them to leave office, the new President is entitled to name a Vice-President of their own, who will then assume the post of next-in-line. Although interestingly, historically the post has remained vacant, presumably because the new appointee would have to be confirmed by Congress, and would have no elected mandate, which woul dbe problematic were they, in turn, have to assume office.

The SPH would only be elevated if both the President and the Vice-President were both killed at the same time. Or, I suppose, if the new president were to die/leave office before naming a new VP.

Everyone knows that the only role of a VP is to be a tiebreaker.

Only formal role. The office itself holds a great deal of influence and sway, given the correct circumstances and the correct occupant.

Also, I really have to wonder... Has it occured to anyone who is screeching about her remark about 'not knowing' what the VP does that, in the time since she said that, someone may have told her? I mean, you know, just as a courtesy, before they offered her the job, and all.

I mean, I don't like her views, her party, or her running mate, but let's have THAT be the reason why people aren't thrilled with her name being on the ticket, rather than a throw away remark. K?

[hi-C]

The office itself holds a great deal of influence and sway, given the correct circumstances and the correct occupant.

True. As evidenced by Dick Cheney.

[andrewexd]

Well. Ok. Everyone's all up in arms because she wondered what a VP actually does. Does anyone actually know what a VP really does?
And, no, she won't get impeached. They didn't impeach Clinton for lying on national TV, did they? Bush is still in office, right? Nah, it won't happen. Plus, it means that people over in Washington would actually have to do something. God forbid.
And Diddy is dumb. Just...ugh.

actually clinton did get impeached, he was reinstated but still impeached. I hear palin might be dropped as VP although i doubt it because that would make mccains chances to win 0%. Sarah "I have a vagina" Palin is a gimmick. If any hilary voters vote for mccain because of Palin go ahead. Hilary clinton and palin are complete opposites on their policies. So if you do vote opposite either your infatuated at the thought of a woman VP, you know nothing about hilary, you never cared about policies, or your just stupid.

[hi-C]

actually clinton did get impeached, he was reinstated but still impeached.

Actually, it's more like he got impeached but was ultimately acquitted, not "reinstated." "Reinstated" implies that he lost the position of president, which, in fact, he did not. Impeaching someone is like taking them to trial or court-martialing. In essence, your that statement was correct, it just needed some fine-tuning.

And I completely agree with you.

[Ington]

Palin is inexperienced, but would be a vice president.
Obama is inexperienced, but would be a president.

And you don't have to be from a huge city to be able to make a difference.

Obama is a great speaker, but that's all he is. A great speaker. His 'change' is purely idealistic and groundless, and it's amazing that so few of you realize that his proposals are full of shit.

[salcha4u]

^ I kind of agree. No matter how much he expects change, he's not going to get all of it. Everyone buys it though. Hi Ariel.

Haha he took a swipe at Palin, cause ooooh he ran a CAMPAIGN.

[andrewexd]

of course obama can't do everything he says. That's what a campaign runs on, ideals. John mccain has none. I have no clue as to what john mccain is going to do differently than bush. His entire campaign is based on being a prisoner of war. I was watching the RNC and that's all they talked about being a maverick. That's his (and fox news') only reply for everything. Obama can't make all the changes but at least he can try. its better than a man who knows nothing about the conomy ("I wish interest rates were 0%") and is war obsessed, has had mutiple stints with cancer and is bound to invade iran.

[only-tuesdays]

I find it kind of ironic that Palin's seventeen year old daughter is pregnant and marrying her baby daddy. Palin, a strong abstinence only sex ed supporter.

[salcha4u]

Well, he did lose a lot of voters after FISA....

[Ington]

I find it kind of ironic that Palin's seventeen year old daughter is pregnant and marrying her baby daddy. Palin, a strong abstinence only sex ed supporter.

Which means that she would be against abortion, not against pregnancy.

And ideals are nice, but they're ideals. So far the only thing that Obama has been 'trying' to do is to spout his ideals to everyone. I want someone who can do something, not someone who can try. This isn't daycamp.

[vehvih]

I really pity kids who would resort marriage just because the chick got preggy (not that I know that Palin's daughter resorted to that because of pregnancy, but in general, yeah).

It usually doesn't work, trust me, I've seen it all the damn time.

If anyone reading please consider the following before children get hurt when raised:

- Building a family DOES require some credentials whether you like it or not. Building a relationship(/marriage) requires commitment, great ass commitment. If you were to have a child at any young age I promise you it will be HARD to build and balance three main things you will encounter ALL AT THE SAME TIME: Marriage, credential AND MORE IMPORTANTLY your child's future.

PLEASE CONSIDER THIS.

I know because my mom's a victim of it, and I have five nieces. My first niece is when I was idk 10? And she was only 16. I don't think you wanna know the rest of the stories.

[hi-C]

^ ... what does that contribute the the conversation at hand?

Which means that she would be against abortion, not against pregnancy.

The original poster, at least it seems to me, wasn't overtly critiquing Palin's pro-life stance.

And ideals are nice, but they're ideals. So far the only thing that Obama has been 'trying' to do is to spout his ideals to everyone. I want someone who can do something, not someone who can try. This isn't daycamp.

Firstly, what exactly does John McCain "doing"? What does he have that differs from an "ideology"?

Secondly, the president is becoming, increasingly, a figurehead. It's the legislature's job to write and pass laws, the president just puts them into play, either signing them into law or vetoing them. And he, whoever he is, going to have a whole joint chiefs of staff and cabinet to have the same ideas that he does to make sure he does what he says he's going to do. You know, system of checks and balances. (Which is the reason why I don't have a problem with an "inexperienced" president.) And, as a someone who's against the war(s), who's intensely pro-choice, who wants to see investment into alternative forms of energy, who doesn't want to see offshore drilling, etc, I'd rather have that set of ideals guide the country.

And before anyone dismisses this me as another Obama fangirl, please know that in the primaries, my favorites were Ron Paul, Joe Biden, and Bill Richardson. I only came around to Obama as kind of a last resort.

Wait... I remember your screename from ages ago...

[andrewexd]

Which means that she would be against abortion, not against pregnancy.

And ideals are nice, but they're ideals. So far the only thing that Obama has been 'trying' to do is to spout his ideals to everyone. I want someone who can do something, not someone who can try. This isn't daycamp.

What are you talking about ? Please tell me one president who has done everything he's promised to do. No one. Of course He's trying to sell his ideas so he can eventually pursue them. He's not the president yet! He can't do anything right now except for voting in the senate. The presidential campaign is to sell yourself to the public that you should be the one making decisions. By your logic we shouldn't care who becomes president nor should we vote becuase nothing is ever going to change. just answer this, should we elect john mccain or obama and why ? I undertsand why people are skeptical of obamas change speeches becuase bush leaves us a screwed up economy and country. Its mind boggling how anyone can handle 9 trillion dollars of debt.

About palins daughter... not much to say. She got knocked up and is getting married. The funny thing is mccain ran that paris hilton/ britney spears ad. I bet her new nick name is jamie lynn spears.

[KryMeARiver]

of course obama can't do everything he says. That's what a campaign runs on, ideals. John mccain has none.

HOPE
CHANGE
YES WE CAN

That's all I've been hearing from Obama.

I don't like McCain either, but please don't pretend that Obama is any different.

[andrewexd]

HOPE
CHANGE
YES WE CAN

That's all I've been hearing from Obama.

I don't like McCain either, but please don't pretend that Obama is any different.

LOL you know none of their polices and you think you can say they're the same ? Do you know what left and right is ?

[KryMeARiver]

LOL you know none of their polices and you think you can say they're the same ? Do you know what left and right is ?

I know what wrong and right is. Nice reading comprehension by the way.

They're both shit. Obama doesn't know the difference between income tax and capital gains tax, he calls children a punishment, claims there are 57 states and chose a VP candidate who plagiarizes speeches and makes racist comments about Indians.

[Rogue_Ewok]

he calls children a punishment

Children are a punishment to a young girl unable to care for them and live her own life.

claims there are 57 states

This was during the exhausting primary season, he mispoke. He doesnt seriously claim that there are 57 states and if you think he did you are just ignorant.

and chose a VP candidate who plagiarizes speeches

Do you even know that story? Biden had given that speech before, and has always cited the quote that he used. He forgot to cit it just one. I guess since republicans dont really have anything bad to say they have to jump on trivial stupid crapp like this.

[andrewexd]

I know what wrong and right is. Nice reading comprehension by the way.

They're both shit. Obama doesn't know the difference between income tax and capital gains tax, he calls children a punishment, claims there are 57 states and chose a VP candidate who plagiarizes speeches and makes racist comments about Indians.

Ok now were talking about stpid shit. Mccain think 0% interest is good. Wants to stay in iraq for 100 years. Chated on his wife after she gained weight from being in the hospital for 6 months. He's going to leave us with sarah palin if he's sick (and he's been sick a lot) who has foreign experience being next to russia (fox). Cnat read off a teleprompter. Steals obamas line ("that's not change we can rely on" or something like it) crahsed like 5 planes in vietnam and thinks you have to make 4 million a year to be "rich". Has voted with bush 90% of the time. Gets played by paris hilton. Wears 520 dollar ferragamo shoes (they were ugly).

Everyone says stupid things, has policies we don't agree with. So ? One of them is going to be president, pick one. Or vote for an independent who won't win and cry about it later.

Edit : every presidential election is shit becuase we get offered two parties. Pepsi or coke ? (I better credit ventura for that analogy or I might get caught for plagerism LOL). That's what america offers us. Its obviously not the greatest system because no minorities ever have a chance at president.

[KryMeARiver]

Ok now were talking about stpid shit. Mccain think 0% interest is good. Wants to stay in iraq for 100 years. Chated on his wife after she gained weight from being in the hospital for 6 months. He's going to leave us with sarah palin if he's sick (and he's been sick a lot) who has foreign experience being next to russia (fox). Cnat read off a teleprompter. Steals obamas line ("that's not change we can rely on" or something like it) crahsed like 5 planes in vietnam and thinks you have to make 4 million a year to be "rich". Has voted with bush 90% of the time. Gets played by paris hilton. Wears 520 dollar ferragamo shoes (they were ugly).

Everyone says stupid things, has policies we don't agree with. So ? One of them is going to be president, pick one. Or vote for an independent who won't win and cry about it later.

lol I love how the automatic defense is "MCCAIN DID THIS OR THAT"

I already said I don't like McCain either. You don't need to convince me on that one. What you need to do is convince me why Obama isn't a turd bag. So instead of compensating for your shitty candidate of choice with ad hominem attacks, how about trying to defend what he stands for?

Children are a punishment to a young girl unable to care for them and live her own life.

Because the majority of abortions are asked for by young girls right?

Wrong.

Perhaps young girls shouldn't be having sex if they aren't ready for pregnancy.

I suppose you're going to bring up rape huh. Why is the baby considered a punishment, but not the rape? How out of touch with reality are you if you're villifying an innocent baby as a punishment first, but not the rapist?

Obama doesn't even want late term abortions, when the barbaric practice of partial birth abortion (pulling out the baby, smashing its head open, then sucking its head out with a vacuum) takes place.

Obama has very extreme views on abortion. His "punishment" answer to the question (which was him dodging the question of when does life begin rather than an answer) reflects this extreme view.

This was during the exhausting primary season, he mispoke. He doesnt seriously claim that there are 57 states and if you think he did you are just ignorant.

I hope you have this same view when McCain misspeaks.

Do you even know that story? Biden had given that speech before, and has always cited the quote that he used. He forgot to cit it just one.

Which is still plagiarism...

I guess since republicans dont really have anything bad to say they have to jump on trivial stupid crapp like this.

#1, I'm not a republican, and I'm not voting McCain. Nice job assuming. #2 nice job skipping my first criticism and claiming I have nothing to say.

But while we're pointing fingers, it's awesome how since the liberals don't have dirt on Palin, they go after her daughter.