The Problem With Women Today, Illustrated Options

[reality2008]

Take a look at this! Has anyone here read this before?
http://theproblemwithwomentoday-reality2008.blogspot.com/

[Rogue_Ewok]

That garbage? that was probably written by a poor hegemonic male who is desperately trying to stay dominant in society. All men can do is be nasty I suppose.

[reality2008]

That garbage? that was probably written by a poor hegemonic male who is desperately trying to stay dominant in society. All men can do is be nasty I suppose.

Uh, no, I'm not interested in the author. I'm interested in the content of the essay. Do you even know the difference? Plus using 'hegemonic' and 'dominant' in the same sentence is redundant. It's like saying 'the grass is green because it's green.'

[fameONE]

Uh, no, I'm not interested in the author. I'm interested in the content of the essay. Do you even know the difference? Plus using 'hegemonic' and 'dominant' in the same sentence is redundant. It's like saying 'the grass is green because it's green.'

Pwnage.

I read the essay. It's an interesting read, but nothing get me all worked up about.

[towntown2]

I read it.
Like fameONE, I didn't find it to be anything more than an interesting read.
Seems like there's a lot of pigeon-holing in the article, but I'm not bothered.

[Rogue_Ewok]

I'm interested in the content of the essay.

As I said, its garbage.

Plus using 'hegemonic' and 'dominant' in the same sentence is redundant. It's like saying 'the grass is green because it's green.'

If I had just said male, it could be taken that I was talking about all males, when it is clear that only a certain group are dominant. Its not redundant either, I'm implying that the domoinant male is trying to stay dominant. If I had said, "The dominant hegemonic male" that would be considered redundant.


The article was worthless. Trash. A disgrace to every hard working woman. And if you didnt get worked up about it you should know that there are people who actually think that about women, and until they are stopped we will never be equal.

[reality2008]

As I said, its garbage.
If I had just said male, it could be taken that I was talking about all males, when it is clear that only a certain group are dominant. Its not redundant either, I'm implying that the domoinant male is trying to stay dominant. If I had said, "The dominant hegemonic male" that would be considered redundant.
The article was worthless. Trash. A disgrace to every hard working woman. And if you didnt get worked up about it you should know that there are people who actually think that about women, and until they are stopped we will never be equal.

It looks like you're simply never going to understand why you were being redundant, but here's something you'll understand- Feminism is on the way OUT. It's done- over- and people are sick of it- including women themselves. After 40 years of this nonsense, women are finally waking up to realize that Feminist's directives are not in their own best interest or anyone's interest- especially children- shuffled off to miserable daycare centers, having to compete for the attention of an adult who is a stranger, which causes psychological damage for a lifetime. That's only the beginning of the damage done to our entire society. Read THIS: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2008/08/18...lawsuit_-2.html

[brooklyneast05]

After 40 years of this nonsense, women are finally waking up to realize that Feminists directives are not in their own best interest or anyones's interest- especially children- shuffled off to miserable daycare centers, having compete for the attention of an adult who ia a stranger, which causes psychological damage for a lifetime.

lol what?

i went to daycare some and i don't recall it to be anymore miserable that school itself where we all competed for the teacher's attention. should we not send our young children to school either? luckily for me, my mother is a teacher so i didn't have to endure summer vacations spent in any kind of day care. you know, not every family can afford to have a mother stay home rather than work. i would think it's much more miserable and damaging for a family to be in poverty than it would be to send your kids to a daycare for a couple years. (this isn't even taking into account single parents who really have no alternative) if you pick a good daycare, i don't see anything wrong with them. i actually think it's a good idea to send your kids to one at some point because it teaches you at a younger age to get along with other kids. when i started school i already had a couple of friends because of daycare.

i don't seem to be psychologically damaged due to attending one.


this "essay" is funny, i hope you're not being as serious as you seem.

[reality2008]

"..you know, not every family can afford to have a mother stay home rather than work."

Because of women entering the workplace en masse in the 1980's the prices of homes & vehicles EXPLODED- because women created the 'dual income' household. No one is going to charge 250K for a home if no one can afford it. So what women did was create an economy that now they are a slave to. So many women are now realizing they do NOT want to work & have nothing to prove- but it's too late- worse, women have weakened the job market by over-saturating it & lowering standards- making the U.S. a joke in the world economy a little more every day.

As far as daycare is concerned, studies have shown that children do suffer psychological problems due to being in daycare.

The essay may be 'funny' but I take the future of my country seriously- I guess you don't- so you & I have nothing in common. Have a nice day.

[brooklyneast05]

so what about the women who aren't mothers? they can't work either? they can't pursue things they are interested in? all the women who have done great things for our society should have been forced to stay home against their will instead of making improvements in things like science, medicine, every other field, ect ect?

if you take this "essay" or whatever outdated world view your proposing serious, then you obviously lack logic. so yes, i would agree that we have nothing in common.

i don't see why a woman shouldn't be able to pursue the same kind of career or achievements that i would.

As far as daycare is concerned, studies have shown that children do suffer psychological problems due to being in daycare.

do you actually have a source for this? oh well, even if you did, i'll still send my kids to daycare at some point probably because i thought it was good for me. i certainly won't force my wife to stay at home at all times if she doesn't want to.

[rawtheekuh]

THANK YOU, brooklyneast. As a feminist, I don't even want to waste my time arguing with this idiot. The only reason he's sitting on the internet posting crap like this is because he is threatened by strong, intelligent women who have accomplished a LOT in the world. Good god, we make up half the world population, what makes you think we can't accomplish anything?

[BiZR]

haha that was a funny post..
but u have to have a sense of humor
i suppose. although there are a lot of ugly women
out there..there are a lot of beautiful ones 2.
but of course i guess women could say the same for men right?

[reality2008]

so what about the women who aren't mothers? they can't work either? they can't pursue things they are interested in? all the women who have done great things for our society should have been forced to stay home against their will instead of making improvements in things like science, medicine, every other field, ect ect?

if you take this "essay" or whatever outdated world view your proposing serious, then you obviously lack logic. so yes, i would agree that we have nothing in common.

i don't see why a woman shouldn't be able to pursue the same kind of career or achievements that i would.
do you actually have a source for this? oh well, even if you did, i'll still send my kids to daycare at some point probably because i thought it was good for me. i certainly won't force my wife to stay at home at all times if she doesn't want to.

"Here's just one of many sources:

Study Links Child Care and Bad Behavior
Monday, March 26, 2007


WASHINGTON — Children who got quality child care before entering kindergarten had better vocabulary scores in the fifth grade than did youngsters who received lower quality care.

Also, the more time that children spent in child care, the more likely their sixth grade teachers were to report problem behavior.

The findings come from the largest study of child care and development conducted in the United States. The 1,364 children in the analysis had been tracked since birth as part of a study by the National Institutes of Health.

In the study's latest installment, being released Monday, researchers evaluated whether characteristics observed between kindergarten and third grade were still present in fifth grade or sixth grade. The researchers found that the vocabulary and behavior patterns did continue, though many other characteristics did dissipate.

The researchers said the increase in vocabulary and problem behaviors was small, and that parenting quality was a much more important predictor of child development.

In the study, child care was defined as care by anyone other than the child's mother who was regularly scheduled for at least 10 hours per week.

The researchers said the enduring effect of child care quality is consistent with other evidence showing that children's early experiences matter to their language development.

The long-term effect on behavior also may have a logical explanation, the researchers said.

"One possible reason why relations between center care and problem behavior may endure is that primary school teachers lack the training as well as the time to address behavior problems, given their primary focus on academics," the researchers said.

The study appears in the current issue of Child Development. The authors emphasized that the children's behavior was within a normal range and that it would be impossible to go into a classroom, and with no additional information, pick out those who had been in child care."

Even with proof you're still going to send your child to daycare? Not very bright are you? Most women are happy to stay at home & don't need to be 'forced.' What? So she can pursue her exciting 'carrer' at Wal-Mart? Wake up & turn off your stupid TV & look at the reality of your world. Most women don't have 'exciting' careers. Most people don't have 'exciting' careers & a child needs a full time mother- that's a real job. Wal-Mart will somehow find a way to struggle on. (HA)

[reality2008]

THANK YOU, brooklyneast. As a feminist, I don't even want to waste my time arguing with this idiot. The only reason he's sitting on the internet posting crap like this is because he is threatened by strong, intelligent women who have accomplished a LOT in the world. Good god, we make up half the world population, what makes you think we can't accomplish anything?

You're right, you would be wasting your time arguing with me, because anything you think is going to be wrong- so don't bother typing it. If you're a 'feminist'- that's just another way of saying 'mentally ill,' and you need help- get into therapy.

I work with women everyday & have been for 25 years in the corporate environment, so I know what I'm talking about, while you are an ignorant idiot with no experience in the real world- I can tell. Women haven't accomplished anything- everything has been done for them. I'm not 'intimidated' by 'strong' women, because there is no such thing. A strong women is just another way of saying 'obnoxious, confrontaional, idiot bitch. I know, I work with them everyday- but the good thing is that they always have a short attention span, and usually leave early and come in late- which is great! We get so much more work done when they're not here. (HA) All the women just get in the way! No, I feel repulsionfor them- look it up. Repulsion is completely different from fear. And I feel repulsion for you even through a computer. Bye bye future cat lady.

[rawtheekuh]

Someone ban his ass, please.

[brooklyneast05]

Even with proof you're still going to send your child to daycare? Not very bright are you? Most women are happy to stay at home & don't need to be 'forced.' What? So she can pursue her exciting 'carrer' at Wal-Mart? Wake up & turn off your stupid TV & look at the reality of your world. Most women don't have 'exciting' careers. Most people don't have 'exciting' careers & a child needs a full time mother- that's a real job. Wal-Mart will somehow find a way to struggle on. (HA)

you are a complete f**king idiot. yes that's right, i'm not going to change my position on day care because i read one article vs. my actual experience with it. you also haven't answered any of my questions about single parents or women who don't have children to begin with. if you're going to answer them in the same dumbass way you have answered everything else in this thread don't bother then. we can all see you're a nutcase without a clue.

...and a man who's scared of women being equal did a smarter woman take your job ?

[Rogue_Ewok]

Reality 2008, you need to get a higher education, you are obviously set back in the stone age.

Most women don't have 'exciting' careers. Most people don't have 'exciting' careers & a child needs a full time mother- that's a real job.

Just so you know, i'm on my way to having an exciting career. Also, who says women have to have kids? I dont ever want them, and neither does my guy. I'd rather live my own life and spoil myself and my man.

Women, and equal-minded men, lets just ignore this guy, he's a troll. He's probably some upper to middle class white kid that got dumped by a pretty and smart girl. Either that or he's a hick who was raised that women should stay in the kitchen and pop out babies.


ALSO... If this thread is to stay open, I believe it should be moved to debate or something.

[dustbunny]

Women haven't accomplished anything- everything has been done for them.

lol so all discoveries/accomplishments have resulted from the work of other people? is that what you're trying to say? I mean, what do you mean everything has been done for women? Female lawyers, doctors, whatever, have all reached their careers or positions...how then? Other people can't do their jobs for them, the women have their careers because of their own knowledge or skills, not because things were "done for them". I don't doubt that there have been such attempts to reach "promotions", but I also don't doubt the fact that should a woman reach a position through such a method, they'd most likely be too incompetent to keep their job anyhow.

I'm not 'intimidated' by 'strong' women, because there is no such thing. A strong women is just another way of saying 'obnoxious, confrontational, idiot bitch.

well here's the thing, what makes a strong professional male? being proactive? being stern and straightforward? being intelligent and creative? put those same qualities on a woman and all of a sudden they're "obnoxious, confrontational" and overconfident idiotic bitches who think and talk too much right?

...and a man who's scared of women being equal did a smarter woman take your job ?

no no he's just bitter that somehow after 25 years in the corporate world with no glorious result in sight, he's still stuck in some shitty workplace surrounded by estrogen :( so sad.

[Blyat]

not all women are like that
i think the author made is too dramatic

[reality2008]

you are a complete f**king idiot. yes that's right, i'm not going to change my position on day care because i read one article vs. my actual experience with it. you also haven't answered any of my questions about single parents or women who don't have children to begin with. if you're going to answer them in the same dumbass way you have answered everything else in this thread don't bother then. we can all see you're a nutcase without a clue.

...and a man who's scared of women being equal did a smarter woman take your job ?

Goddamm, just how pathetically stupid would someone have to be to actually think daycare is good for a child as opposed to staying at home during the day with their mother? Anyone with just basic common sense would know what's better. If you're that retarded, I'm surprized you can even read and write. I suppose it could also be your brainwashing- I read a lot about how people your age are so dumbed down they can't even leave mommy's house. Still live with mommy, don't you?

[reality2008]

lol so all discoveries/accomplishments have resulted from the work of other people? is that what you're trying to say? I mean, what do you mean everything has been done for women? Female lawyers, doctors, whatever, have all reached their careers or positions...how then? Other people can't do their jobs for them, the women have their careers because of their own knowledge or skills, not because things were "done for them". I don't doubt that there have been such attempts to reach "promotions", but I also don't doubt the fact that should a woman reach a position through such a method, they'd most likely be too incompetent to keep their job anyhow.
well here's the thing, what makes a strong professional male? being proactive? being stern and straightforward? being intelligent and creative? put those same qualities on a woman and all of a sudden they're "obnoxious, confrontational" and overconfident idiotic bitches who think and talk too much right?
no no he's just bitter that somehow after 25 years in the corporate world with no glorious result in sight, he's still stuck in some shitty workplace surrounded by estrogen :( so sad.

There are very, very, very few actual 'professional' women despite all of your brainwashing by TV. According to the Labor of Statistics last year (& every year) the No. 1 profession for women is 'assistant' or secretary. And the only reason women get decent jobs & keep them is through EOE and threats of lawsuits. You're young and ignorant- so pay attention & get educated about the REAL WORLD.

[xoxo_proud]

Sorry but I can't take anyone who says things like this seriously

"You must be a lonely, lonely human being."

You're obviously a simple-minded little bacteria. Do you actually think I walk around talking about nothing but the topic on this blog? I'm not a one-dimesional shell of an excuse for a human being like you; you are 'projecting.' If I want to get laid, of course I'm going to tell a woman whatever she wants to hear!

..I'll be creating the cure for cancer since I'm the educated one, you piece of shit!"

Slow down, genius, you're going to need get past the 6th grade level of education you are operating on (I can tell). (In reality, you'll just end up popping out some puppies from 3 different fathers & work at Wal-Mart.:)

How do you explain standardized testing? How is it women score just as well as men on the ACT and SAT? Is there some secret society where women are given all of the answers? Because, as a mooching member of society, I'd love to get ahead of the competition in any way possible (even if it means bribing the test administrator)

And hate to disapoint you, but I don't read any of those magazines on the blog. I enjoy activities other than shopping (writing, reading & theatre) and gossiping about other girls.

If they're going to insult every person who challenges their opinion (and not just the ones who insulted them first), then is there really any point of posting a controversial blog? Obviously, not everyone is going to agree.

[reality2008]

Sorry but I can't take anyone who says things like this seriously
How do you explain standardized testing? How is it women score just as well as men on the ACT and SAT? Is there some secret society where women are given all of the answers? Because, as a mooching member of society, I'd love to get ahead of the competition in any way possible (even if it means bribing the test administrator)

And hate to disapoint you, but I don't read any of those magazines on the blog. I enjoy activities other than shopping (writing, reading & theatre) and gossiping about other girls.

If they're going to insult every person who challenges their opinion (and not just the ones who insulted them first), then is there really any point of posting a controversial blog? Obviously, not everyone is going to agree.

Simple, dear, my father has been working in the educational system since 1963, first as a high school teacher for 25 years & then now is still teaching as a professor at a major university... and he's been explaining to me for 15 years now how ALL of the educational standards have been lowered to accomodate girls & minorities. Don't even take his word for it- you've got to stop being so tiny minded and realize that the U.S. ranks very, very low in education on an international scale!

The U.S. has become a joke because of all of the scoial engineering. Our high schools, colleges, & universities have become nothing but a hollow shell of themselves- nothing more than propaganda centers- churning out 22-year olf females with worthless liberal arts degrees that get them nowhere in the real world, thus the high rate of secretaries & office assistants. Trust me, I live in a college town & i meet them everyday (& work with them- unfortunately- they all have FU attitudes & a false sense of superiority with no substance or any corresponding intelligence to the world in which they live- they know nothing, except political correctness) You're never going to hear any of this anywhere in the media, because the news always has to be P.C. & someone (just like you) is going to become 'offended' by the truth. God, what a miserable world we now live in.

You're willing to bribe a test administrator just to get ahead? Well, there you go- there are your morals & that is so typical, and thus why so many are so dumbed down.

So then what do you read? iVillage? Enlighten me.

[brooklyneast05]

^lol wow

Goddamm, just how pathetically stupid would someone have to be to actually think daycare is good for a child as opposed to staying at home during the day with their mother? Anyone with just basic common sense would know what's better. If you're that retarded, I'm surprized you can even read and write. I suppose it could also be your brainwashing- I read a lot about how people your age are so dumbed down they can't even leave mommy's house. Still live with mommy, don't you?

no, i actually live about 1,500 miles from my mother, thanks.

[Rogue_Ewok]

The U.S. has become a joke because of all of the scoial engineering. Our high schools, colleges, & universities have become nothing but a hollow shell of themselves- nothing more than propaganda centers- churning out 22-year olf females with worthless liberal arts degrees that get them nowhere in the real world, thus the high rate of secretaries & office assistants.

Actually, the better a society does is based on how equal minded the sexes are. take the Scandanavian countries for instance, their government, education, and work standards are rated in the top 5 out of the whole world. This is because the sexes are treated almost perfectly equal, mom and dad share the same gender roles. if we raised our children to be this way there would be no more bigotry from men towards women, we'd all respect one another.

Also, reality2008, you keep mentioning the media and how its dumbiong down America. You are absolutely right! The women you see on tv do not represent real women at all. Real women are not dumb or ditzy, or all bitchy and catty.

One day women will be equal, with all the great jobs you keep saying we dont want (We want them but the dominant men in society keep using their resources to keep us from climbing the ladder of success. Ever heard of the glass ceiling?) and you will have to shut up and take it. So why dont you go back to b or something you troll.

[*paperplane*]

Simple, dear, my father has been working in the educational system since 1963, first as a high school teacher for 25 years & then now is still teaching as a professor at a major university... and he's been explaining to me for 15 years now how ALL of the educational standards have been lowered to accomodate girls & minorities. Don't even take his word for it- you've got to stop being so tiny minded and realize that the U.S. ranks very, very low in education on an international scale!

I really wanted to stay out of here, but this is too funny. You say standards have been lowered to accommodate (that's two m's, hun) women, and yet men are now the ones lagging behind.

Also, it should be noted, that many cultures that continue to treat their women like dirt are not exactly excelling in education either.

Perhaps you should put a little more stock into those worthless liberal arts educations and improve your English skills before taking it upon yourself to reeducate us.

[xoxo_proud]

You're willing to bribe a test administrator just to get ahead? Well, there you go- there are your morals & that is so typical, and thus why so many are so dumbed down.

I was being sarcastic.

What do I read? 1984, The Great Gatsby, Harry Potter, Plath, poetry, books on history, Shakespeare's plays, etc. Comments?

What about the men that get LAD? Are they worthless to?

Simple, dear, my father has been working in the educational system since 1963, first as a high school teacher for 25 years & then now is still teaching as a professor at a major university... and he's been explaining to me for 15 years now how ALL of the educational standards have been lowered to accomodate girls & minorities. Don't even take his word for it- you've got to stop being so tiny minded and realize that the U.S. ranks very, very low in education on an international scale!

If you except me to respect you, don't call me tiny minded. I'll reply to this post tomorrow.

[coconutter]

Not all women are secretaries and office assistants. Some have spent much time and hard work getting into higher ranking positions, and if that's what they're happy doing more power to them. Also, if stay at home mothers wish to take care of their children, that's fine too. Everyone has a right to do what they're comfortable doing, and some women want to focus on their career instead of having children, and some don't. It is no one's place to determine what a gender is supposed to do, therefore, women have the right to choose. Also, women working at Wal-Mart? Why does it matter where they work? Men work at Wal-Mart too. Having a job such as this is no more prestigious than a man working as a lawyer. Both of them do hard work, and that should be accounted for. They're not wasting time, they're partly doing what they want to do, and if men have that choice, women should too. All living beings are equal, and no amount of intelligence or strength can depreciate the value of life.

Not all women are what you call "whores". What can you define a "whore" as these days? Some one who has sex a lot, even in a committed relationship? Why can't men be defined as "whores" with such ease? A whore is more like being consistently promiscuous with many different men or women. However, a whore is not going out with friends and getting drunk and making some bad decisions. Nor is a whore someone who has sex with three or four different men or women. This word is too easily used these days, as is the word "
pervert", but that's another argument.

The education system is not being dumbed down for minorities and women, and that is a terrible and ill-thought out generalization. The value of education is decreasing because people are learning for money. If we only need to know certain things to go to college, get a degree, and go to work; why else would most people learn more than they have to? Certainly not for the enjoyment of seeking knowledge! Most every human being has the capacity to learn as much as they seek. The value of education is completely irrelevant to races or genders. However, it is relevant to the attitude of human beings, and with attitudes like yours, the educational value will continue to decrease.

Oh, and about the daycare thing, can one article with hardly any relevant evidence really support an argument strongly against daycares? I think not. Honestly, daycares are fine for children. They interact, play, learn things they can't at home, and learn to share. Mothers can't interact with children the way a child's peers can. So what if a child's behaviour is sometimes bad? It doesn't mean they've been tainted by daycares, it just means they're going through normal puberty and are growing up. I'm sure you have done stupid things in elementary/middle school regardless of your pre-school environment. Much of what you're saying is just ridiculous modern skepticism.

[brooklyneast05]

i love how ironic this thread is.

[coconutter]

^ why is it ironic?

[reality2008]

Actually, the better a society does is based on how equal minded the sexes are. take the Scandanavian countries for instance, their government, education, and work standards are rated in the top 5 out of the whole world. This is because the sexes are treated almost perfectly equal, mom and dad share the same gender roles. if we raised our children to be this way there would be no more bigotry from men towards women, we'd all respect one another.

Also, reality2008, you keep mentioning the media and how its dumbiong down America. You are absolutely right! The women you see on tv do not represent real women at all. Real women are not dumb or ditzy, or all bitchy and catty.

One day women will be equal, with all the great jobs you keep saying we dont want (We want them but the dominant men in society keep using their resources to keep us from climbing the ladder of success. Ever heard of the glass ceiling?) and you will have to shut up and take it. So why dont you go back to b or something you troll.

Haha- that's funny- you obviously don't even know that the reason Switzerland's educational system is ranked in the top five is because they actually segregate children according to their capacities. Plus, Scandanavian countries don't have a psychotic black & Hispanic population who attempt daily to turn their educational system into a joke as they do here- hating everything about the U.S. with a F.U. attitude that would make Charles Manson blush.

To equate a higher standard of education with a supposedly 'open' & socialist society illustrates how little thought you're putting into what you're even saying. China as a society treats it's women as second class citizens, always will and has for the last 10,000 years and has been been completely blowing us off the map educationally for a very, very long time & their economy is starting to surpass ours as well.

This is why it's important to be well read, with a corresponding comprehension of the world you live in- meanwhile all you can talk about is 'diversity' & 'equality' - empty rhetoric & junk soical science that is intellectually bankrupt with an extensive history of failure that you do not have the attention span to research.

Women simply blame men for their own incompetence and failures, meanwhile men have bent over backwards to do everything in their power to allow women into the workplace for decades... and it has been a dismal failure- a tanking economy, lowered standards, and industries fleeing the country because of EOE (that's right- only an insider like myself knows this- you'll never hear that on the news).

[coconutter]

This is why it's important to be well read, with a corresponding comprehension of the world you live in- meanwhile all you can talk about is 'diversity' & 'equality' - empty rhetoric & junk soical science that is intellectually bankrupt with an extensive history of failure that you do not have the attention span to research.

Women simply blame men for their own incompetence and failures, meanwhile men have bent over backwards to do everything in their power to allow women into the workplace for decades... and it has been a dismal failure- a tanking economy, lowered standards, and industries fleeing the country because of EOE (that's right- only an insider like myself knows this- you'll never hear that on the news).

Insulting someone in order to get a point across is along the lines of what you're arguing against. You don't seem very well read yourself, and although that's contradictory to what I said previously, at least I'm not arguing mindlessly.

Also, what exactly have women blamed men for, and how have men bent over backwards to allow women in the workplace? I'm pretty sure it took women years of protesting and negotiating to receive the equality they have now. Support your argument if you know it seems contradictory.

[reality2008]

I really wanted to stay out of here, but this is too funny. You say standards have been lowered to accommodate (that's two m's, hun) women, and yet men are now the ones lagging behind.

Also, it should be noted, that many cultures that continue to treat their women like dirt are not exactly excelling in education either.

Perhaps you should put a little more stock into those worthless liberal arts educations and improve your English skills before taking it upon yourself to reeducate us.

I knew someone was going to bring that up- do I have teach you everything? Public primary schools have become extremely hostile to boys- treating them as behaviorial problems for simply behaving as boys-hostile female teachers pressuring parents and school officials to put them on Ritalin for deacdes, etc., while the curriculum has become banal empty drivel with no substance or real world application- more suited for girls. This is why boys have lost interest in school as a whole starting in primary and are falling behind. But in the end it is a hollow 'victory' for girls because now the schools in the U.S. are a joke.

As far as cultures who treat their women as second class citizens and have a far better educational system than the U.S.- I guess you forgot about 25% of the world's population- China. Maybe you should slow down on gender studies along with worrying about pettiness like my typos- then maybe you would achieve more in life than moderator for a message board forum.

[reality2008]

Not all women are secretaries and office assistants. Some have spent much time and hard work getting into higher ranking positions, and if that's what they're happy doing more power to them. Also, if stay at home mothers wish to take care of their children, that's fine too. Everyone has a right to do what they're comfortable doing, and some women want to focus on their career instead of having children, and some don't. It is no one's place to determine what a gender is supposed to do, therefore, women have the right to choose. Also, women working at Wal-Mart? Why does it matter where they work? Men work at Wal-Mart too. Having a job such as this is no more prestigious than a man working as a lawyer. Both of them do hard work, and that should be accounted for. They're not wasting time, they're partly doing what they want to do, and if men have that choice, women should too. All living beings are equal, and no amount of intelligence or strength can depreciate the value of life.

Not all women are what you call "whores". What can you define a "whore" as these days? Some one who has sex a lot, even in a committed relationship? Why can't men be defined as "whores" with such ease? A whore is more like being consistently promiscuous with many different men or women. However, a whore is not going out with friends and getting drunk and making some bad decisions. Nor is a whore someone who has sex with three or four different men or women. This word is too easily used these days, as is the word "
pervert", but that's another argument.

The education system is not being dumbed down for minorities and women, and that is a terrible and ill-thought out generalization. The value of education is decreasing because people are learning for money. If we only need to know certain things to go to college, get a degree, and go to work; why else would most people learn more than they have to? Certainly not for the enjoyment of seeking knowledge! Most every human being has the capacity to learn as much as they seek. The value of education is completely irrelevant to races or genders. However, it is relevant to the attitude of human beings, and with attitudes like yours, the educational value will continue to decrease.

Oh, and about the daycare thing, can one article with hardly any relevant evidence really support an argument strongly against daycares? I think not. Honestly, daycares are fine for children. They interact, play, learn things they can't at home, and learn to share. Mothers can't interact with children the way a child's peers can. So what if a child's behaviour is sometimes bad? It doesn't mean they've been tainted by daycares, it just means they're going through normal puberty and are growing up. I'm sure you have done stupid things in elementary/middle school regardless of your pre-school environment. Much of what you're saying is just ridiculous modern skepticism.

I'm sorry, but how old are you? You sound like you're about 12. I don't converse with children on line. Either that, or you are so deeply confused that it would take years of re-education just to get you up to speed as a functional adult. Just to untangle the mountain of misconceptions you have here would require you to read a stack of books.

[coconutter]

I knew someone was going to bring that up- do I have teach you everything? Public primary schools have become extremely hostile to boys- treating them as behaviorial problems for simply behaving as boys-hostile female teachers pressuring parents and school officials to put them on Ritalinfor deacdes, etc., while the curriculum has becaome banal empty drivel with no substance or real world application- more suited for girls. This is why boys have lost interest in school as a whole starting in primary and are falling behind. But in the end it is a hollow 'victory' for girls because now the schools in the U.S. are a joke.

As far as cultures who treat their women as second class citizens and have a far better educational system than the U.S.- I guess you forgot about 25% of the world's population- China. Maybe you should slow down on gender studies along with worrying about pettiness like my typos- then maybe you would acheive more in life than moderator for a message baord forum.

Female teachers are not hostile to all boys, again, you're generalizing. Female teachers are hostile to boys AND GIRLS that are stubborn and unwilling to follow the rules.

Also, are you in any position to say which curriculum is more suited towards a gender? By the way you're typing, it's evident that you're not. Males aren't falling behind either, I see many males succeeding in school, and this is because they have respect for all teachers (male or female) and all curriculum choices whether they're suited for them or not. No curriculum is going to be suited to each individual student, it's unavoidable, unless a student has a private tutor. Every gender/race puts up with it, so it's not causing males to fall behind. It's all about the person's attitude. The reason China has such a wonderful education system is because those children slave to be in those top schools, they work hard because they have to. Both Chinese males and females study hard to get in these schools because they don't have the opportunities we have here. It makes sense.

Also, what makes your life accomplishments so wonderful that you must put down others whom you know nothing about besides being a "moderator on a message board forum". Trolling said message board forum is just as much as an accomplishment as being a moderator.

edit:

I'm sorry, but how old are you? You sound like you're about 12. I don't converse with children on line. Either that, or you are so deeply confused that it would take years of re-education just to get you up to speed as a functional adult. Just to untangle the mountain of misconceptions you have here would require you to read a stack of books.

Are you saying this because you're afraid to respond to what I said because you have no semi-legit response? Who cares if I'm 12? Every age has an opinion.

[reality2008]

Female teachers are not hostile to all boys, again, you're generalizing. Female teachers are hostile to boys AND GIRLS that are stubborn and unwilling to follow the rules.

Also, are you in any position to say which curriculum is more suited towards a gender? By the way you're typing, it's evident that you're not. Males aren't falling behind either, I see many males succeeding in school, and this is because they have respect for all teachers (male or female) and all curriculum choices whether they're suited for them or not. No curriculum is going to be suited to each individual student, it's unavoidable, unless a student has a private tutor. Every gender/race puts up with it, so it's not causing males to fall behind. It's all about the person's attitude. The reason China has such a wonderful education system is because those children slave to be in those top schools, they work hard because they have to. Both Chinese males and females study hard to get in these schools because they don't have the opportunities we have here. It makes sense.

Also, what makes your life accomplishments so wonderful that you must put down others whom you know nothing about besides being a "moderator on a message board forum". Trolling said message board forum is just as much as an accomplishment as being a moderator.

edit:

Are you saying this because you're afraid to respond to what I said because you have no semi-legit response? Who cares if I'm 12? Every age has an opinion.

I knew it.

[coconutter]

I knew it.

If you honestly believe I am 12, I think you need to go pick up a book.

Edit: Also, why no counterarguments? I think someone's afraid of the truth.

[*paperplane*]

This is not about relationships, moved to debate

[reality2008]

This is not about relationships, moved to debate

It turned into a debate, which is common on any message board thread about any topic.

[coconutter]

It turned into a debate, which is common on any message board thread about any topic.

It's not a debate for me, because you're too afraid to answer me.

Someone needs to learn how to stop making generalizations.

[*paperplane*]

It turned into a debate, it got moved to debate.

[reality2008]

It turned into a debate, it got moved to debate.

So what you're trying to say (and I'm having to explain for you because you're being repulsively catty & nauseatingly tedious) is that when a thread turns into a debate on this board, you move it to debate. And please spare me the 'you need to read he rules' line- I have a life. Fine- whatever- so you have the power equivalent to a lunch lady, "No, you can't have seconds on meatloaf, those are the rules of the cafeteria."

[coconutter]

So what you're trying to say (and I'm having to explain for you because you're being repulsively catty & nauseatingly tedious) is that when a thread turns into a debate on this board, you move it to debate. And please spare me the 'you need to read he rules' line- I have a life. Fine- whatever- so you have the power equivalent to a lunch lady, "No, you can't have seconds on meatloaf, those are the rules of the cafeteria."

Your lack of respect makes me understand why you're such a bigot.

Honestly, though, I'd like to see your response on what I've said. Your responses are interesting and very debatable. No, I'm not 12, nor a child, cut that shit out.

[transcendentalis...]

Worse, women will just simply start attacking you personally like a monkey throwing its feces when you try to criticize their insanity.

How is this quote from the given website related to reality2008's latest post?

You guys have fun. PEACE

[brooklyneast05]

How is this quote from the given website related to reality2008's latest post?

You guys have fun. PEACE

[reality2008]

Here's the two categories of U.S. females- the self absorbed entitlement princess with a grossly distorted sense of superiority- for what reason no ones's really sure.. & delusions she's a 'career' woman..


And then the raging psycho/confontational Femarroid from Hell


Both are venereally diseased sluts and any man would have to be out of his mind to actaully want to marry either one of these. Marriage.. that's just a joke in the U.S. anymore.

[coconutter]

You don't even deserve my responses.

Did you create that blog?

[Luna5]

One word- WHATEVER!

[Joss-eh-lime]

wow. how freakin lame

[reality2008]

Here we spotted some Feminists roaming for
food in their natural habitat- street protests.


"Excuse me, I'm going to
take an abortion break."

They want to be 'equal' with men, but first
that would require joining the human race.

[coconutter]

How is a human not a part of the human race?

It's impossible.

You have some serious issues no one can help with.

[reality2008]

[reality2008]

After Femarroid Fest we headed home an took a short cut
through the woods and OH MY GOD.. we spotted the...

[coconutter]

LOOOOOOL


Now I KNOW you're not being serious

[Tomates]

alrighty ive had enough of this.

You need mature some more. This article is obviously something you made since it says on the bottom by reality2008.
All your trying to do is make women look bad.

Hell of course women will make mistakes
and so will men.

Have you ever watched To catch a predator reality? well, have you?
If not all the people who have made their appearance have been men.
So when you think all women are "psychotic, dumbed down, violent, worthless, boozing STD infested whores"
Should we think of men as pedofiles who just want to get into young boys/girls pants?
Is that the kind of mark you would like us to make?

Seriously, this is something a 10 year old would do because they think girls are icky and have cooties, so yeah i consider you a pre-prepubescent 10 year old who needs to get their head out of the sand.

Also, daycare doesnt mess with children, if anything i belive it helps them communicate with others more instead of being anti-social and afraid of others.

they are inadvertantly sharing STD's with one another with the men they are sharing

Would you like to know how aids started? Well funny story, Shall i share it? Its quite easy to understand. AIDS started because of two guys who were happily in-love had sex, Im pretty sure you can figure the rest out and on how it spread to over 1 million of americans.
Want proof? Heres a link
http://www.rense.com/general68/gayex.htm
have a kick out of that

im sorry if you have had a bad run of women or your mother, but this is deffinatly something you shouldnt rash about

My friend was given up by his mother, he of course is mad at her about that even though he doesnt know her, but he isnt bashing out with ridiculous articles like you have done.

So in all i dont have much sympathy for you

[Rogue_Ewok]

I have to ask it, is this Rush Limbaugh? Hmm, I knew the show was crap Rush, but you have to go and spew garbage to a message board? Tough Times.

Anyway, since I'm a woman who obviously doesnt have an important life I should go buy some shoes or clean the toilet or something... maybe become heavy with child.

Since I wont ever amount to anything I better just quit my degree that I'm almost done with and throw away the full ride I got to go to NYU for grad school.

Guess I'd better give up fighting AIDs and for gay rights... I cant do anything to help after all.


And Mr. Republican (I'm sure) guy, please grow up. Silly little pictures prove nothing except your stupidity... but then again you already did that when you made your first post.

[reality2008]

alrighty ive had enough of this.

You need mature some more. This article is obviously something you made since it says on the bottom by reality2008.
All your trying to do is make women look bad.

Hell of course women will make mistakes
and so will men.

Have you ever watched To catch a predator reality? well, have you?
If not all the people who have made their appearance have been men.
So when you think all women are "psychotic, dumbed down, violent, worthless, boozing STD infested whores"
Should we think of men as pedofiles who just want to get into young boys/girls pants?
Is that the kind of mark you would like us to make?

Seriously, this is something a 10 year old would do because they think girls are icky and have cooties, so yeah i consider you a pre-prepubescent 10 year old who needs to get their head out of the sand.

Also, daycare doesnt mess with children, if anything i belive it helps them communicate with others more instead of being anti-social and afraid of others.
Would you like to know how aids started? Well funny story, Shall i share it? Its quite easy to understand. AIDS started because of two guys who were happily in-love had sex, Im pretty sure you can figure the rest out and on how it spread to over 1 million of americans.
Want proof? Heres a link
http://www.rense.com/general68/gayex.htm
have a kick out of that

im sorry if you have had a bad run of women or your mother, but this is deffinatly something you shouldnt rash about

My friend was given up by his mother, he of course is mad at her about that even though he doesnt know her, but he isnt bashing out with ridiculous articles like you have done.

So in all i dont have much sympathy for you

No, what's obvious is that I don't like American women because I've state that over and over. I don't like them because there is something wrong with me. I do not like them because they are not likable, I don't like the smell of dogshit either- that doesn't mean there is something wrong with me. Catching on yet?

[*paperplane*]

So what you're trying to say (and I'm having to explain for you because you're being repulsively catty & nauseatingly tedious) is that when a thread turns into a debate on this board, you move it to debate. And please spare me the 'you need to read he rules' line- I have a life. Fine- whatever- so you have the power equivalent to a lunch lady, "No, you can't have seconds on meatloaf, those are the rules of the cafeteria."

All I did was move the thread. I'm not trying to punish you for sparking debate. It's perfectly sensible that you should be so defensive about this.

Stop throwing around the "have a life" line. If that's the case, you really ought to find a better way to spend your precious free time than trying to anger people on the internet (amusing as it may be for the rest of us).

[Comptine]

You obviously suffered quite a bit from women. You probably bossed around and bitched at when you're at work. You probably got stung and rejected by women who thought they were too good for you.

Instead of making confrontational, idiotic, sexist, and demeaning rants, grow some cajones.

If a woman is acting like a bitch, tell her off.

A rude person is a rude person, whether their reproductive organs dangle or not.

[Tomates]

No, what's obvious is that I don't like American women because I've state that over and over. I don't like them because there is something wrong with me. I do not like them because they are not likable, I don't like the smell of dogshit either- that doesn't mean there is something wrong with me. Catching on yet?

I dont care that its just american women. They arent all bad for f**ks sake. Of course there are the few bitches here an there, trust me ive been around them plus i had my compltete feminist teacher last year who i just wanted to fall in a ditch.

Are you even from the United States?

[rawtheekuh]

Oh my god, somebody PLEASE CLOSE THIS FUCKING THREAD FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.
He is a troll who needs to be banned. He is member bashing, is being sexist, racist, and inflammatory.
Here are the debate rules:
# Topics are not to bash others.
# Immature behaviors/comments will not be tolerated.
# Please remember, not everyone thinks like you. People have their ways of thinking and perspectives. Let's respect each other's thoughts and responses.

Nicki, this thread shouldn't have been moved, it should have been closed a long time ago.

[reality2008]

Oh my god, somebody PLEASE CLOSE THIS FUCKING THREAD FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.
He is a troll who needs to be banned. He is member bashing, is being sexist, racist, and inflammatory.
Here are the debate rules:
# Topics are not to bash others.
# Immature behaviors/comments will not be tolerated.
# Please remember, not everyone thinks like you. People have their ways of thinking and perspectives. Let's respect each other's thoughts and responses.

Nicki, this thread shouldn't have been moved, it should have been closed a long time ago.

The truth hurts doesn't it? Well, you can't just try to block reality in real life, that's not how it works. And of course, who asked you to come here? Nobody cares that you don't like this thread. You're not even intelligent enough to make any kind of real response. Shoo, fly.

[reality2008]

I dont care that its just american women. They arent all bad for f**ks sake. Of course there are the few bitches here an there, trust me ive been around them plus i had my compltete feminist teacher last year who i just wanted to fall in a ditch.

Are you even from the United States?

I've lived here all my life. Besides this teacher, you act like you've never met a real, live American female before- like you live under a rock. Or maybe your standards of expectation for human behavior are just so low that you've come to consider these monsters 'normal' and that's just sad.

[coconutter]

The truth hurts doesn't it? Well, you can't just try to block reality in real life, that's not how it works. And of course, who asked you to come here? Nobody cares that you don't like this thread. You're not even intelligent enough to make any kind of real response. Shoo, fly.

You're being so hypocritical. I gave perfectly good responses and you didn't have the intelligence to respond to mine either. You said I sounded like I was 12, and you had no reason to believe that whatsoever. Honestly, no one asked for YOU to come to this forum and bash people. You need to shoo, fly.

AND STOP DOUBLE POSTING!

[karmakiller]

If you didn't want to hear and accept other people's opinions, then you shouldn't have made a topic about this.

I do not see this headed in any positive direction. You are correct when you say that this is not a debate, because it is merely based on your opinion. Everyone has a right to their opinion, and I could care less what your's is. Debates are based around fact. If this thread stays open, it's going to continue to be a back and forth. Perhaps you would be better off if you visited a site that is more directed towards your interest of hating women.

Topic Closed.