FISA & obama Options

[brooklyneast05]

Fifteen months of heated debate in Congress came to an end on Thursday when the Foreign Intelligence Security Act (FISA) was signed into law by President Bush. The law that passed the senate on Wednesday by a vote of 69 to 28 included the controversial amendment that provided immunity for telecommunication companies that cooperated with the NSA's warrant-less wire-tapping program.

The FISA debate was especially bitter for Democrats, who were split on the issue. "In a Democrat-controlled Congress... We're about to grant immunity to companies that are alleged to have participated in the administration's lawlessness?" Democratic Senator Feingold, who leads a coalition with Senator Leahy against the bill, asked congress. The FISA bill has been heralded a triumph for the Bush administration and a serious loss for the Democratic Party, especially Senator Obama who during the full swing of the primary in January, vowed to filibuster any bill that included retroactive immunity for telecommunication companies.

Obama reneged on this promise, and instead voted in favor of FISA.

how do the obama supporters feel about this?



this plus his change of position on public campaign financing. i'm not feeling it.

[superstitious]

I try not to have knee-jerk reactions to things, but this definitely makes my eyes open a bit wider, if that makes some sense.

I can understand, to some extent, having a change of heart on certain matters, but this is pretty big. It's also not the best timing to flip flop. That last thing Obama needs is a Kerry comparison right now and right now, Kerry just popped in my mind.

[salcha4u]

Yea, I'm smelling a Kerry rerun too.
Looks like he's igniting skepticism...who knows what other change he promises to bring if he wins the election. The economy is going down and he's not going to be fulfilling all of them, lots of people are going to be disappointeddddd.


Here's the note from Barack:

I want to take this opportunity to speak directly to those of you who oppose my decision to support the FISA compromise.

This was not an easy call for me. I know that the FISA bill that passed the House is far from perfect. I wouldn't have drafted the legislation like this, and it does not resolve all of the concerns that we have about President Bush's abuse of executive power. It grants retroactive immunity to telecommunications companies that may have violated the law by cooperating with the Bush Administration's program of warrantless wiretapping. This potentially weakens the deterrent effect of the law and removes an important tool for the American people to demand accountability for past abuses. That's why I support striking Title II from the bill, and will work with Chris Dodd, Jeff Bingaman and others in an effort to remove this provision in the Senate.

But I also believe that the compromise bill is far better than the Protect America Act that I voted against last year. The exclusivity provision makes it clear to any President or telecommunications company that no law supersedes the authority of the FISA court. In a dangerous world, government must have the authority to collect the intelligence we need to protect the American people. But in a free society, that authority cannot be unlimited. As I've said many times, an independent monitor must watch the watchers to prevent abuses and to protect the civil liberties of the American people. This compromise law assures that the FISA court has that responsibility

The Inspectors General report also provides a real mechanism for accountability and should not be discounted. It will allow a close look at past misconduct without hurdles that would exist in federal court because of classification issues. The (PDF)recent investigation uncovering the illegal politicization of Justice Department hiring sets a strong example of the accountability that can come from a tough and thorough IG report.

The ability to monitor and track individuals who want to attack the United States is a vital counter-terrorism tool, and I'm persuaded that it is necessary to keep the American people safe -- particularly since certain electronic surveillance orders will begin to expire later this summer. Given the choice between voting for an improved yet imperfect bill, and losing important surveillance tools, I've chosen to support the current compromise. I do so with the firm intention -- once I’m sworn in as President -- to have my Attorney General conduct a comprehensive review of all our surveillance programs, and to make further recommendations on any steps needed to preserve civil liberties and to prevent executive branch abuse in the future.

Now, I understand why some of you feel differently about the current bill, and I'm happy to take my lumps on this side and elsewhere. For the truth is that your organizing, your activism and your passion is an important reason why this bill is better than previous versions. No tool has been more important in focusing peoples' attention on the abuses of executive power in this Administration than the active and sustained engagement of American citizens. That holds true -- not just on wiretapping, but on a range of issues where Washington has let the American people down.

I learned long ago, when working as an organizer on the South Side of Chicago, that when citizens join their voices together, they can hold their leaders accountable. I'm not exempt from that. I'm certainly not perfect, and expect to be held accountable too. I cannot promise to agree with you on every issue. But I do promise to listen to your concerns, take them seriously, and seek to earn your ongoing support to change the country. That is why we have built the largest grassroots campaign in the history of presidential politics, and that is the kind of White House that I intend to run as President of the United States -- a White House that takes the Constitution seriously, conducts the peoples' business out in the open, welcomes and listens to dissenting views, and asks you to play your part in shaping our country’s destiny.

Democracy cannot exist without strong differences. And going forward, some of you may decide that my FISA position is a deal breaker. That's ok. But I think it is worth pointing out that our agreement on the vast majority of issues that matter outweighs the differences we may have. After all, the choice in this election could not be clearer. Whether it is the economy, foreign policy, or the Supreme Court, my opponent has embraced the failed course of the last eight years, while I want to take this country in a new direction. Make no mistake: if John McCain is elected, the fundamental direction of this country that we love will not change. But if we come together, we have an historic opportunity to chart a new course, a better course.

So I appreciate the feedback through my.barackobama.com, and I look forward to continuing the conversation in the months and years to come. Together, we have a lot of work to do.

[brooklyneast05]

Yea, I'm smelling a Kerry rerun too.
Looks like he's igniting skepticism...who knows what other change he promises to bring if he wins the election. The economy is going down and he's not going to be fulfilling all of them, lots of people are going to be disappointeddddd.
Here's the note from Barack:

yeah, this right here isn't change, it's more of the same bullshit we've been seeing for years now.

i'm all for the whole change message, but who isn't? the presidents support is like 17% now or something, obviously the majority are for change. the thing is that i'm not seeing any clear definition of this "change" so far. the message has been good up to this point, but from here on out i think it's going to wear thin because a lot of people are gonna want him to start defining it. change is too general, everyone can just imagine the change they personally wanna see and project that onto obama.

flip flopping is far from "new school politics".



the senates 69 to 28 vote on this is more disappointing than obama's personal flip flop though to me.

n a dangerous world, government must have the authority to collect the intelligence we need to protect the American people.

man, i hate this sentence.

[salcha4u]

On troop withdrawals:
“My guiding approach continues to be that we’ve got to make sure that our troops are safe and that Iraq is stable.”
- Obama

Hahaha hmm, he didn't mention anything about stability before bringing troops home.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.