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anime-essence
post May 31 2008, 08:15 PM
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First vexel - Amy Winehouse
^This is not a finished product; I'm just starting and need help.

Yes I've read tutorials on this process by searching online, here, on deviantart.com, and vexels.net (cannot post because its closing), however I need the expertise of those who have created a vexel before. Any advice would be appreciated.

So I decided to ask those here who have had an on-hands experience with vectoring/vexeling on the basics.

I created the basic lineart, base layers, some details that need improvement such as the hair, earrings, and neck down.
*I really need help with the layers on the face like techniques that will make her look real (shadow/lighting/etc).

I'm a bit lost at the moment and need advice on how to continue/redo the skin - Am I doing ok ay?Changes? Removal? Sucky!!?
How do I layer to make the skin appear real?

If you are knowledgeable please reply, from one designer to another. thumbsup.gif
 
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post May 31 2008, 08:27 PM
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I think your problem here is that you don't have enough contrast. I can see the layers if I squint. It's good that you are using more layers, but you're not utilizing the different tones between layers that create depth. You need contrast.

If you've read some of the tutorials or tips, probably one of the 'cardinal rules' of vexelling is never to sample skin tone from the actual reference picture - I say you throw that rule out the window. Sampling skin tones from the actual picture will guide you in terms of using realistic colours and shades of the colours. The important thing is to really smooth out the skin texture so that you get a more "average" colour (instead of one of those rogue blue dots or something). That can be accomplished by using a "Smart Blur" filter on the image. Make sure you do this on a new layer, though.

If you do it well enough, you can create something very realistic. I haven't finished many vexels, mind you, only because I'm lazy, but I do think I'm good with skin so my advice is credible. For example, I've done this by sampling skin colours:


However, I also think that the vexel you've got going on right now is more graphic and uses less realism, so I would say, for this one, to focus on creating more contrast. Make your top layers lighter than they are now. For a lineart-heavy vexel, even shading with gradients would be nice (although I'm no one to ask about that; I'm horrible!).

Everything else looks really amazing, though, especially for your first!
 
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post May 31 2008, 08:34 PM
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I've read about contrast but I fear that I'll make the skin look horrible... really really horrible. I know vexelling is time consuming and I've only just begin.

Thanks for the skin advice. I'm fairly new at this concept so please be patient with me. I've seen other vexels that use lineart but I know that the one that I made makes it less-vexel and more graphic. I'm hoping the contrast tips you gave me will help me improve it.

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post May 31 2008, 10:23 PM
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Well you should be comforted by the fact that right now your line-art is good. Adding contrast can be a little scary because you have to jump from a lighter colour to a darker colour, and it can be difficult to make it look realistic and gradual.

A really easy thing to do is to, first of all, use layers that have more contrast, and if you think it looks bad, add an layer "in-between" two layers that looks like it takes up the middle bit between two layers. Fill that layer with the colour from the top layer, and set that layer's opacity to 50%. This will be the mid-colour between the two layers, creating a seamless transition. You can do this multiple times for a vexel for extra realism. I have no idea if that made sense btw.

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Just out of curiosity, how did you determine what colours you used for the skin?
 
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post May 31 2008, 10:29 PM
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^ The angle of the picture shouldn't affect the outcome of a vexel. At all. Unless you're a serious noob. If you're successful it looks a lot better.

But yeah, retouching the picture would help a lot. If you're lazy just do a quick smart blur.

 
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post Jun 1 2008, 10:24 AM
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QUOTE(gigiopolis @ May 31 2008, 10:23 PM) *
Just out of curiosity, how did you determine what colours you used for the skin?


I just went by what worked; I changed it according to "dark skin" and "pale" - just something in between.

^I know she looks kind of pasty still. _unsure.gif

What color would you suggest?
 
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post Jun 1 2008, 02:06 PM
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Well, I know some people have up some colour schemes you can borrow for your vexel, but like I said before, the most direct way to learn about colours and their tones is to directly sample them from the original.
 
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post Jun 1 2008, 05:24 PM
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I've done some contrast/shading today and I think I'm doing well.

Thanks for you help. I think I can take it from here. biggrin.gif
 
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