Annoyed, accepted and rejected.. why both? Options

[rockable]

Right.. heres my story.
Quite recently I got into Createblog again, and as my graphical talents have improved a little, have started uploading some of my better graphics. I noticed that the moderators seemed to be nicer than before, and commented on a lot of the things I submitted, which I was really happy about. I started gaining more confidence in my ability and over the past few weeks have made some of the best uncoded layouts ive made in a long time.
Anyway, I sign on today to see if I have anymore new comments, and I see I have 4 messages, which baffled me.

So I look, and I read that 3 of my icons which were accepted, have now been rejected, because of a font being unreadable, or the image being too soft or grainy. Looking at these icons, I can see if you look really closely, with your face a few inches away from the screen, then indeed it does look a little grainy. But if you look at it from a normal distance, it looks fine. And most people arent particually fussed anyway!
And WHAT THE HELL?! I was told this is really blurry and out of focus, and it isnt clear:

In my opinion it isnt really blurry, really out of focus (correct me if im wrong. It might just be that as im long sighted I cant see it as well as others..) However, I can see its a little grainy.. BUT SHE DIDNT SAY THAT!

NOW IM SORRY I cant buy the most perfect software. I can clearly see that not EVERYONES graphics are perfect on here.

And I also want to mention the people that moderate our graphics. Each time I submit something in a group, it is done by different person. Now I totally understand that CreateBlog is really popular and gets loads of submissions, but all the people who moderate these seem to have different qualities in mind? So i get told one thing by one mod, I do it for another icon so that its perfect, and then another mod tells me something else. Why not have just one moderator, that knows exactly what is right and wrong? Instead of loads of people. Lots of people means lots of opinions. One mod may like it, while another may not.. you see?
I also notice that my worst icons get accepted. What the hell is with that?
And ALSO (sorry about all the also's) one of the moderaters that accepted a few of my graphics, commented on basically all of my things. But after I read messages from her this morning, I looked through all of my graphics to make sure they were up to standard, and I notice that all the comments from her on all the icons she had commented on had gone! I only have one comment from her on a banner now, and I know for a FACT I had more than one comment from her. HELL, I even thing she commented on one of the graphics she accepted and then rejected!

And why reject a graphic a few days after its accepted?! You either accept it or you dont..! It cant been good one day and not the next! I thought this was over (You remember a while back when there was a massive clearout? Well basically all my graphics that were accepted, were rejected, apart from 1, which was the worst icon i ever made.. WTH?!) and that the mods were better now!

Im really sorry for the majorly long post, but im pretty upset that what I was told to be a good icon, was rejected a few days after acceptance. And you know what.. its put me off createblog again. Im sick of it. Most people who randomly browse createblog, just want a nice icon and whatnot. I remember when I first found it and I knew nothing about graphic, I didnt even notice the quality..!
Createblog just seems to be one big competition between designers now. Even some of the most favourite graphics arent the best quality in the world.. doesnt this tell you something?

Kudos to anyone who reads this, and again, sorry for the majorly long post, but I just need to vent my anger.

Graphic mods: I do respect the work you do..and that it takes time to go through all submisions, but if its not good enough.. why accept it in the first place..? You obviously didnt see any problem when you accepted it, so obviously the "problem" isnt all that noticeable after all.

[datass]

aww
i've seen you come back, it sucks that you're leaving now because of the crappy mods around here. i think it was you who posted really nice photos. see, mods here are just a popularity contest.

[seductionlayouts]

I totally agree. Some things of mine got accepted, then rejected again. And its irritating. Or some things get rejected, I fix them to their standards, and the first one I put up gets accepted a week later, and the same layout I worked extra hard on and recoded gets denied. Whats up with that? I think we need some new MODs cause this is irritating as hell.

[rockable]

aww
i've seen you come back, it sucks that you're leaving now because of the crappy mods around here. i think it was you who posted really nice photos. see, mods here are just a popularity contest.

Yes, if your talking about my greek photos. :) You liked the peacock one. :)
And I may not leave completely. Just not submit so many graphics until im "perfect". Ill use the forum. :)

[libertie]

I went through some of your stuff that had been rejected, and I actually accepted some of the ones that I thought were good and had already received positive responses from some of the members. Natalia (manny-the-dino), I apologize for going over your head and I appreciate you owning up to what you thought was a mistake, so please don't take it personally.

I apologize for the back-and-forth over the submissions, this is something that I don't like to see happening. We are working on getting closer to being on the same page; however, I am sorry to say that it won't always be that way - there are some mods who will review things differently. In the future, though, as I've said in another thread, design staff will not go into the queue and reject something that another mod has accepted. If they feel like it should be done, they will bring it up to a head staff member or administrator, and if that upper staff member feels like it honestly should be rejected, they will take care of it - however, I don't want to see this happening anymore. Unless it's a really big deal, all decisions will be final.

[tokyo-rose]

aww
i've seen you come back, it sucks that you're leaving now because of the crappy mods around here. i think it was you who posted really nice photos. see, mods here are just a popularity contest.

This doesn't have to do with the quality of the moderators. It has to do with, yes, all the non-People Staff staffies being on the same page in terms of acceptance standards. Currently we're trying to coordinate those Backstage. As Dani (libertie) said, we are going to stop having one mod accept something but have a different mod reject it. Instead, accepting and rejecting a particular submission will be done by the same moderator to promote consistency.

[manny-the-dino]

I went through some of your stuff that had been rejected, and I actually accepted some of the ones that I thought were good and had already received positive responses from some of the members. Natalia (manny-the-dino), I apologize for going over your head and I appreciate you owning up to what you thought was a mistake, so please don't take it personally.

I apologize for the back-and-forth over the submissions, this is something that I don't like to see happening. We are working on getting closer to being on the same page; however, I am sorry to say that it won't always be that way - there are some mods who will review things differently. In the future, though, as I've said in another thread, design staff will not go into the queue and reject something that another mod has accepted. If they feel like it should be done, they will bring it up to a head staff member or administrator, and if that upper staff member feels like it honestly should be rejected, they will take care of it - however, I don't want to see this happening anymore. Unless it's a really big deal, all decisions will be final.

no it's okay Dani. don't worry.



but to address your post, fazzyfaye, yes i did accept some of your stuff & rejected it. i apologized for that but we had to do some "house cleaning" as some have said. in order to see the grainyness/blurness of the graphic you posted you do have to really look at it, but if it doesn't meet our standards, we can't accept it. it "basically has to perfect" as one mod told me. just please read through our standards before making or submitting anything.

and as for me deleting my comments from your graphics, i honestly didn't. i really didn't. why would i do that? i mean if i accept your graphics, comment them, delete my comments, & reject your graphics... i don't see the use of doing that. it just makes no sense.

[synatribe]

see as you can see I wasnt the only person who is overwhelminly annoyed with this kind of practice by the mods, I rarealy even want to contribute to this community anymore because it gets really annoying when for a couple days you get really nice comments and messages then all of a sudden it just abruptly stops because ONE person dosent like it and that ONE person gets the prvallage of getting MOD. I hate it when people message me asking "oo where did this or that layout go, I cant seem to find it" I have to reply "sorry it was rejected" - then I have to pull up the code individually for ever person who asks, after my incident I have seriously lost ALOT of interest in contributing to this community anymore unless I get REALLY bored, and I have already seen ALOT of post, threads like this already and since this is thread came after my thread I am disappointed to see that the mods are partly just completely ignoring my opinion from my HOT thread. NICE JOB SERIOUSLY, KUDOS X 100

- sorry Im usually not like this but this whole accpeting and rejecting this is getting on my nerves and I just need to vent . :/

[manny-the-dino]

see as you can see I wasnt the only person who is overwhelminly annoyed with this kind of practice by the mods, I rarealy even want to contribute to this community anymore because it gets really annoying when for a couple days you get really nice comments and messages then all of a sudden it just abruptly stops because ONE person dosent like it and that ONE person gets the prvallage of getting MOD. I hate it when people message me asking "oo where did this or that layout go, I cant seem to find it" I have to reply "sorry it was rejected" - then I have to pull up the code individually for ever person who asks, after my incident I have seriously lost ALOT of interest in contributing to this community anymore unless I get REALLY bored, and I have already seen ALOT of post, threads like this already and since this is thread came after my thread I am disappointed to see that the mods are partly just completely ignoring my opinion from my HOT thread. NICE JOB SERIOUSLY, KUDOS X 100

- sorry Im usually not like this but this whole accpeting and rejecting this is getting on my nerves and I just need to vent . :/

yes i know this get annoying but it's not that one mod doesn't like it, it's that we have renforce our standards. please don't feel discouraged from subitting your designs. if you're a little iffy on them, just post in the Showcase Booth to get opinions. yay? yay.

[heyo-captain-jac...]

yes i know this get annoying but it's not that one mod doesn't like it, it's that we have renforce our standards. please don't feel discouraged from subitting your designs. if you're a little iffy on them, just post in the Showcase Booth to get opinions. yay? yay.

Because that solves everything.

Are the standards of some set higher than others? Because that's not how it should run.


My solution: Democracy. Have the mods vote if something needs to be deleted.

[rnicron]

My solution: Democracy. Have the mods vote if something needs to be deleted.

Or everyone could just shut the fuck up and not get so butthurt and make 12 million topics over this was accepted and now it's rejected. It's even more annoying to see this constant bitching.

DEAL WITH IT! It happens!

[heyo-captain-jac...]

That would be simpler, but how many people do you think are actually going to do that?

[rnicron]

That would be simpler, but how many people do you think are actually going to do that?

None, because they'd rather get all butthurt and cry for attention, claiming they'll never submit again. Who really cares?

[heyo-captain-jac...]

Yeah strangely alot of people are like that.

I don't think anybody really cares if they will submit again. I don't even use the resource sections anymore.

[synatribe]

None, because they'd rather get all butthurt and cry for attention, claiming they'll never submit again. Who really cares?

why are you here on CB anyway? all you do is constant bitching, you dont even contribute layouts or anything [not that you have to ] but if you have so many things to complain about then why dont you just go to a different forum thats ment for you?

[heyo-captain-jac...]

^Like 4chan?

[rnicron]

why are you here on CB anyway? all you do is constant bitching, you dont even contribute layouts or anything [not that you have to ] but if you have so many things to complain about then why dont you just go to a different forum thats ment for you?

Truth =/= constant bitching

[heyo-captain-jac...]

The internet legends live on 4chan.

[synatribe]

well then go to a forum where they actually care about you truthful opinions

[rnicron]

And what you're doing is different how?

[heyo-captain-jac...]

Really were all doing the same thing. Talking from the safety of our own homes.

Some of us just do it differently.

[synatribe]

I dont bitch about how every single thing on createblog is not up to my standards, and Im not asd blunt, only when I need to be, but your blunt in the most unnessary situations.

[rnicron]

Doesn't it seem like you're ripping off a post I just made?

Why does this question always come up? Apparently, were all here to pass time. So, why does it matter what one does with their time? If anything, we should ask if you have anything better to do than constantly bitch about what other people do with their time because it's not up to your standards as a superior.

Please continue when you can formulate your own ideas.

[synatribe]

Doesn't it seem like you're ripping off a post I just made?
Please continue when you can formulate your own ideas.

??

[libertie]

Kevin, I'm sorry if you feel like you've been ignored. I believe I posted in the topic you made, although I can't find it now. However, you're right, this is an issue that keeps being brought up - all I can do is apologize and say that I don't want it happening to this degree anymore. If you'll look at my posts in both this thread in the other one, I think you'll see that this is not so much the fault of the newer mods. They're simply doing what they've been told, and I was unaware that it had gone this far.

Nat, the person who told you that submissions basically have to be perfect was wrong. I hate to look at it that way, because around here I have never rejected something because of one little thing like a single stray jagged line that only I would notice. Of course our standards should be high, but we honestly need to know when to let things slide.

[rnicron]

??

EXACTLY

Nice chatting with you.

[synatribe]

Doesn't it seem like you're ripping off a post I just made?
Please continue when you can formulate your own ideas.

its you attitude not what you do on ur free time

[heyo-captain-jac...]

^x2 You kinda lost it there. You can do better.

[synatribe]

theres no point of dealing with him anyway, no one pays attention to him unless like in my situation I was annoyed or like in you situation XTC you were just interested in our chatter :]

[rnicron]

its you attitude not what you do on ur free time

I'd like to pretend you didn't just post that because it had absolutely nothing to do with what you quoted, so we'll let it slide.

Seeing that I have a lot of enrollment stuff to catch up on tomorrow, I'll let you sleep on this. Let me know if you can pull anything else out of your ass. Goodnight.

theres no point of dealing with him anyway, no one pays attention to him unless like in my situation I was annoyed or like in you situation XTC you were just interested in our chatter :]

As for that, please start naming 5 people who actually know of you.

Again, goodnight. I don't mean to pull a Tama.

[synatribe]

I'd like to pretend you didn't just post that because it had absolutely nothing to do with what you quoted, so we'll let it slide.

Seeing that I have a lot of enrollment stuff to catch up on tomorrow, I'll let you sleep on this. Let me know if you can pull anything else out of your ass. Goodnight.

its just the truth but goodnight to you too:]

[rnicron]

The truth for...what exactly? You totally pulled that out of thin air, trying to make a jab out of nothing.

You make it so tempting to stay up and bicker with.

[synatribe]

Why does this question always come up? Apparently, were all here to pass time. So, why does it matter what one does with their time? If anything, we should ask if you have anything better to do than constantly bitch about what other people do with their time because it's not up to your standards as a superior.

apparently you seem to have forgotten your own post :]

[rnicron]

Except I was quoting a post to prove that you indeed were taking almost every point made in it. It had no other value besides that.

[synatribe]

I dont bitch about how every single thing on createblog is not up to my standards, and Im not asd blunt, only when I need to be, but your blunt in the most unnessary situations.

are you done?, I have more important things to do, if you want me to keep repeating myslef, pm me dont make me spam this thread.

[rnicron]

I love when people make excuses like having better things to do. Aside from that, you haven't repeated yourself once, nor have you provided a nice rebuttal.

Run along...I know you've run out of things to say. I'm sure you'll try to start something again and I'll be there, waiting. Later, kid.

[heyo-captain-jac...]

Kevin, what time is it where you live?

If I had better things to do... Well its 1:13 AM.

[synatribe]

post Today, 01:11 AM


I love it to , but I have a research prentation tomorrow and as you can see my time is above, later:] lets continue tomorrow :] if I ran out of things to say I make it obvious but Im not planning on failing my presnetation due to your ignorance :]

[libertie]

Also, I love how people like to make such a bold statement that ALL of the staff members are doing a horrible job, but rather than addressing that they choose to spend their time in an argument that clearly isn't going anywhere.

[rnicron]

Ignorance...and that's why you continue to post.

[heyo-captain-jac...]

Aah sleep is that better thing to do. Sleep is nice sometimes. I should probably do that soon. I have to be up at 6.

[rnicron]

Also, I love how people like to make such a bold statement that ALL of the staff members are doing a horrible job, but rather than addressing that they choose to spend their time in an argument that clearly isn't going anywhere.

Example?

[libertie]

see as you can see I wasnt the only person who is overwhelminly annoyed with this kind of practice by the mods, I rarealy even want to contribute to this community anymore because it gets really annoying when for a couple days you get really nice comments and messages then all of a sudden it just abruptly stops because ONE person dosent like it and that ONE person gets the prvallage of getting MOD.
(...)
I am disappointed to see that the mods are partly just completely ignoring my opinion from my HOT thread. NICE JOB SERIOUSLY, KUDOS X 100

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...t&p=2945231






Just seriously, if you're gonna put so much effort into complaining about something, when somebody puts an EQUAL amount of effort (if not more) into acknowledging your post, don't just ignore them. It's counterproductive and a bit hypocritical.

[heyo-captain-jac...]

Well Kevin is probably just upset?

[libertie]

That is a good possibility, and I understand that. I calmly responded to him as well as the other two people with the same complaint today, and I have done so in the past. I honestly am not happy about the situation, either; however, it certainly doesn't help matters to say such things about staff but then not acknowledge it when you do get a response from a staff member - a staff member, by the way, whom you've not even had queue issues with in the past.

I am not trying to be snippy with you here, Kevin, I'm just trying to understand you.

[synatribe]

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...t&p=2945231
Just seriously, if you're gonna put so much effort into complaining about something, when somebody puts an EQUAL amount of effort (if not more) into acknowledging your post, don't just ignore them. It's counterproductive and a bit hypocritical.

okay seriously this is going nowhere, I never planned on getting in this whole thing with spencer if you read the post closely, I stated my opinion that I thought this whole accepting rejecting thing was gettin out of hand because not so long ago I posted and Im sorry libertie but when did you ever acknowledge my post?


EDIT:

Kevin, I'm sorry if you feel like you've been ignored. I believe I posted in the topic you made, although I can't find it now. However, you're right, this is an issue that keeps being brought up - all I can do is apologize and say that I don't want it happening to this degree anymore. If you'll look at my posts in both this thread in the other one, I think you'll see that this is not so much the fault of the newer mods. They're simply doing what they've been told, and I was unaware that it had gone this far.

Nat, the person who told you that submissions basically have to be perfect was wrong. I hate to look at it that way, because around here I have never rejected something because of one little thing like a single stray jagged line that only I would notice. Of course our standards should be high, but we honestly need to know when to let things slide.

oo Im sorry I missed your post, im sorry thanks for understanding cause I brought this up and insurmontable said that it would be talked about with the the head and admins but seein thus thread today I was just annoyed that this problem keeps arising, Im sorry I tend to overlook things especially on these forums I wasnt trying ignore you :]

This post has been edited by SkyliteX: May 27 2008, 01:29 AM

[libertie]

Oh man, seriously? =\

I need to start typing in bold faced red font or something. xD

Top of the page. :)
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...t&p=2945297

[rnicron]

Nevermind. I skipped that post.

[heyo-captain-jac...]

I would be upset if my stuff got rejected over misinformed staff.

[synatribe]

I would be upset if my stuff got rejected over misinformed staff.

thank XTC, Im more annoyed then upset, its because people pm or email me asking for like the codes to layouts that have been rejected and I dont like being rude so most of the time I give them the code but when i get really lazy I just say I lost the entire layout in general lol :]

[libertie]

It's not a problem, and I realize you said what you did before I addressed your post. However, when you made your post, I had already responded multiple times to the other things that had been posted today. Seeing all the mod bashing when I have spent most of my day pouring through every post in these topics today, trying to make sure that everyone was heard, acknowledged, and received a proper response from me - that was a bit of a slap in the face. Honestly, I've been a staff member for a very long time, and I am one of the people who usually does not receive negative OR positive feedback (I just pretty much get ignored). That's okay - I usually don't mind, and stuff people say around here usually doesn't get to me like this. I guess today was different - I mean, there are people around here that work pretty hard, and how can you possibly say that no one is doing their job properly when there are people who are genuinely attempting to solve problems?

Anyway, this is not a mod defense thread, and I realize that. I hope we are on the same page now about this - I have brought it up backstage and I hope the rule is pretty clear to all of us now. To reiterate if you haven't heard, from now on, decisions are final on the Design Staff level. If for any reason a Design Staffer feels like something needs to be rejected, they will bring it up with both the original reviewer and an upper staff member. If an upper staff member is not involved, no action will be taken. Also, we won't just go rejecting things at the drop of a hat - unless there is something seriously wrong with it, once it's been accepted, it's accepted.

[synatribe]

^ okay thanks but like you said I think I kinda just forgot about you when I did the staff member thing :/ *sorry* I'll change my vote:] because I do see you working very hard in the community

[heyo-captain-jac...]

[rockable]

I seem to have started a war on here. Im really sorry.
Thankyou for answering my questions. I really respect everyone who works at createblog, and I didnt mean to cause an uproar because of my confusion.

Or everyone could just shut the f**k up and not get so butthurt and make 12 million topics over this was accepted and now it's rejected. It's even more annoying to see this constant bitching.

DEAL WITH IT! It happens!

Spencer: Im not someone who goes of crying because something is rejected. I understand if its not up to standard, and I deal with it. I dont usually make a fuss, but as I really genuinely couldnt see the problem, and I was confused about all the changing of opinions about the submitted graphics, I thought I would post my concern.
I hope you understand me now, and can see that im not just some stupid kid making a fuss.

Plus.. Libertie had a look at them, and has accepted them because there wasnt a problem afterall.


To Natalia: Sorry, I didnt realise you were only a few weeks into being staff. Congratulations.
I have no grudge against you at all. :) I was just really confused as to why it was first a good icon, which then turned to being unacceptable. Of course, I didnt know you were fairly new at that point, and I respect your judgement. :)
As to the comments matter, I dont know where they have gone.. But I know I had a comment from you on basically everything, because I remember thinking how nice you were.

Anyhow.. peace.

[emberfly]

The mods are always doing stuff like that.

[libertie]

^I appreciate the thought as always, emberfly, but I have to ask if you managed to read any of the responses in this topic before making your comment. I apologize for sounding impatient, but please consider the fact that your comment doesn't add anything to the topic and gives no way for proof that you've read a single post but the first one. If you had read the topic, you would have seen explained many times that we are in the process of "teaching" our almost 100% new Design Staff team in the way of clearing out the queue properly. I would think that a move like this would be appreciated by the community; however, with some people I guess no one will ever be satisfied. Anyway, I am sad to say that (as with any "business" that hires new employees) we do ask for a small amount of patience from the community while we try to make sure they are getting the right information - it's difficult when said information comes from so many different sources, I know, but please at least try to understand that it's not as simple as some of you make it out to be.

rockable - Haha, you confused me! I remembered you having another username and you changed it on me this morning. xD You don't have to apologize for anything; I appreciate you raising a concern, and we by absolutely no means discourage people giving us negative feedback when we deserve it. I'm glad we got everything sorted out, though, and thanks for being so patient with us - your attitude in all of this, even in your slightly "upset" posts, has been really refreshing. :)

[emberfly]

I read everyone single one

Even the staff members that have been on staff for quite a while do this. I'm not complaining.. I'm simply saying that the same thing that happened to Rockable happened to me and most of the people who submit to cb.

[libertie]

Like I said, feedback (negative or positive) is appreciated. However, being that I've posted a solution to this problem in multiple (okay, I think two) feedback threads, don't you think it would've been more constructive to respond to that rather than saying "yeah they do this all the time"?

To reiterate if you haven't heard, from now on, decisions are final on the Design Staff level. If for any reason a Design Staffer feels like something needs to be rejected, they will bring it up with both the original reviewer and an upper staff member. If an upper staff member is not involved, no action will be taken. Also, we won't just go rejecting things at the drop of a hat - unless there is something seriously wrong with it, once it's been accepted, it's accepted.

Even if you said something as hateful as "Yeah we'll see if THAT actually happens" it would have been more helpful than "yeah it happens all the time even though one of the staff members said it won't happen anymore so what I'm saying holds no weight".

Anyway, I understand now that what you said perhaps wasn't meant in an entirely negative way. Sorry, I guess based on what you typed there it wasn't very clear and just came off as slightly snappy when I read it (I thought it was more meant as a jab, but based on your explanation, it might have been intended more as an "explanation" of some sort to the original poster?) - however, do you kind of maybe see where I'm coming from as well?

[emberfly]

yep. I understand.

[rockable]

rockable - Haha, you confused me! I remembered you having another username and you changed it on me this morning. xD You don't have to apologize for anything; I appreciate you raising a concern, and we by absolutely no means discourage people giving us negative feedback when we deserve it. I'm glad we got everything sorted out, though, and thanks for being so patient with us - your attitude in all of this, even in your slightly "upset" posts, has been really refreshing. :)

hehe, sorry. fazzyfaye was too childish. Ive had that name the whole time and didnt realise I could change it. :P
Phew, thats ok. I dont mean to be awkward. :P

And can this post be closed before any more arguements break out in it? haha.

[libertie]

Haha, yes. I'll go ahead and move this to the resolved forum since your particular issue has been resolved. =]