f**king serious? Options

[rnicron]

I seriously got fucking warned for quoting pictures of Culver's?
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...p;#entry2932094
On top of that, it was 4 days ago. Obviously it wasn't hurting that much.

Wtf? Eat my shit, Ruth.

[Insurmountable]

Yes, we have made it a rule to warn anyone that quotes images without taking out the tags. Its been a rule for a very long time, and everyone should know it by now.

Getting warned up to 10% acts as a verbal warning, once you get your warning level raised to 20% is when you will lose your official member status.

[rnicron]

LMAO that's ridiculous. I'm so sorry for quoting Dee's posted about a fast food restaurant, Ruth. I swear it'll never happen again! Please forgive me!

[rnicron]

On top of that, it was 4 days ago. Obviously it wasn't hurting that much.

Also, do your job. I shouldn't have to look through my posts to see when I quoted an image because it was 4 days ago.

[rnicron]

Consistency, right?

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...t&p=2933611
Why weren't they warned, rather they simply got a "next time you'll get warned" quote?

[Elba]

I thought that rule only applied to MP?

[rnicron]

AIM

[rnicron]

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...t&p=2934516
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...t&p=2934529

That girl better have been warned...TWICE!

[TiffanyFactorial]

whoa whoa whoa, i did not know this was a rule, don't go dragging me into this. this is your problem not mine. you're the official member. i just recently started posting posts in the forum. i did not know that this was a rule, calm yourself. your warning will probably disappear in a couple of days.

ESPECIALLY since everyone has been doing it.

[tokyo-rose]

Tiffany, please don't double-post. Use the Edit link at the bottom of your post.

The warning system applies to members who have been here long enough to know the rules, and to all forums, not only Members' Photos. However, it's listed in the community guidelines, so ideally all members should abide by the rule and not quote images.

[Tramatize]

whoa whoa whoa, i did not know this was a rule, don't go dragging me into this. this is your problem not mine. you're the official member. i just recently started posting posts in the forum. i did not know that this was a rule, calm yourself. your warning will probably disappear in a couple of days.

ESPECIALLY since everyone has been doing it.

well if he gotta warning for it why should you? i mean he didnt know either.
what makes you so special?

edit; Oh nevermind, i read synesthesia's post.

[rnicron]

The warning system applies to members who have been here long enough to know the rules, and to all forums, not only Members' Photos. However, it's listed in the community guidelines, so ideally all members should abide by the rule and not quote images.

That's where you're wrong. Take off my warning.

[tokyo-rose]

Just so we're all clear: Starting from today, all People Staffers will warn members who quote images even though they know better than to do that. Remove the image tags for them, then raise their warning level.

[rnicron]

Which is posted Backstage, dumbass. Can I see Backstage? I don't think so. Take off my warning.

[tokyo-rose]

I quoted that post in the previous Members' Photos as well, and I just edited the OP in the current version with it.

[rnicron]

I GOT WARNED FOR A POST IN FOOD, NOT MEMBERS' PHOTOS!

[rnicron]

Point proven. Take off my warning.

[TiffanyFactorial]

please don't double-post. Use the Edit link at the bottom of your post.

i'm sorry, why is it that you can't double post? is it like spam or something? or does it take up some sort of bandwidth deal?

and the whole images in quotes, what's the reason why we can't do that? is it for some sort of organization purpose or for all the kids who have dial up? because that's just ridiculous.


edit and i'm confused, does this only apply to Member's Photos or the entire community board now?! because you should remove spencer's warning if you're saying that this only applies to Member's photos when he did this in the food's thread.

[tokyo-rose]

Yeah, it constitutes spam.

Spencer, I couldn't lower your warning level even if I wanted to since I have to wait a while before I can do that.

[rnicron]

Well get someone that can. kthanx

[tokyo-rose]

One of the administrators can do so if they wish when they get online.

Tiffany, spam is addressed here.

[Elba]

It's not in the community guidelines. Also, if it's in that CG updates topic, it should be ADDED to the actually CG. I only see that rule in the MP threads.

[tokyo-rose]

I updated the community guidelines and FAQs already.

[kryogenix]

So why do you guys delete shit that isn't against the rules?

[Insurmountable]

Well what exactly was deleted? Do you remember what you posted, sorry I didn't see it and I don't have access to the Trash Can.

Nothing, EVER should be deleted. No complete post should ever be deleted, no matter how bad it is. The best thing to do is to remove the harsh things out of it and leave the rest of it. We have done this in the past, if anything we shouldn't even touch the post to leave "evidence".


Personally I thought the thumbing of images and removing image tags was only to Member photos, since its where the problem is mainly. But if its going to the rest of the forum, then I don't think there is anything wrong with it, but I don't think anyone should be warned except after TODAY, after it has been announced that everyone will receive a warning if they are found not taking out image tags or thumbing larger images.

I think this rule should go for everyone, we have the rules at the top of the forums, and its not like a 10% raised warning is that big of a deal, so it should apply to everyone. Although, officials, you should no better by now.

[rnicron]

I updated the community guidelines and FAQs already.

If you had to do that, there should be no reason as to why I should receive a lowered warning level.

[Insurmountable]

I think the way we should solve this.

Today, it has been announced that the staff will warn any member that fails to remove images tags or thumb larger images on the forums. And the community guidelines have been updated as well.

SO any punishments that were given before this, should be removed.

[superstitious]

Correct and his warning level has been reduced accordingly.

[Insurmountable]

Great, so is there any other problem now?

[Elba]

So this is definitely a forum-wide rule? Why weren't we told this before?

[superstitious]

The CG's should have been updated, they weren't.

It's a good idea to look over them periodically, as individual announcements are not made every time the guidelines are updated. Of course in this case, it wouldn't have helped, which is why I lowered Spencer's warn level.

Thinking about it, there should be a way to communicate changes. I just don't want a new thread every time something happens or something is changed. I'll think on it. If you guys have some suggestions as to how to alert people of changes, I'm all ears, I love suggestions.

The only thing I can think of right now is informing people that it's a rule the first time they violate a newer guideline (and point out the guideline). Then after that, issue a warning.

I've had a lot going on in my personal life and haven't had a lot of time to do things online, so I'll take responsibility for the CG's not getting updated.

[Insurmountable]

Why not post in the quick announcements thread? o_O

[tokyo-rose]

Or here: http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=194493

[superstitious]

Or here: http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=194493

Good grief. lol I really have far too much on my mind.

[TiffanyFactorial]

Cristy, thanks for the rules thing. but you've yet to answer my question of why it's such a big deal that you have to take the img code out when quoting. i'm just curious that's all. and did this whole img quoting thing just apply when spencer got warned or has it always been the rule?


EDIT; Never mind, i understand. alright so it is a forum wide thing now. that's nice to know, after making an example out of someone.

[Elba]

So why did Ruth warn Spencer when no one was told you guys were going to be enforcing member photo thread rules in the food forum?

[karmakiller]

I thought that the rule was already announced. But now that everyone's up to date on it, I think it should go for ALL members, not just OMs. I don't really think it's fair that people get warned the first time they do it.

[tokyo-rose]

Cristy, thanks for the rules thing. but you've yet to answer my question of why it's such a big deal that you have to take the img code out when quoting. i'm just curious that's all. and did this whole img quoting thing just apply when spencer got warned or has it always been the rule?

There was a lot of discussion about that a while back. It's just more convenient when loading pages, and it saves space. If everyone quoted an image that they wanted to talk about, there would be a lot more scrolling to do, which would be annoying. Also, it's silly to quote an image that's directly or a few posts above yours when you could just say, "[Username], [comment here]" or quote their text but not the image. It's been the rule for a long time.

Dee, Rebecca said that here:

The only thing I can think of right now is informing people that it's a rule the first time they violate a newer guideline (and point out the guideline). Then after that, issue a warning.

[superstitious]

So why did Ruth warn Spencer when no one was told you guys were going to be enforcing member photo thread rules in the food forum?

Miscommunication and the lack of following up. I've already apologized for not updating the CG's when they should have been and have lowered Spencer's warn level.

[Melissa]

Wasn't it Ruth who thought it wasn't a big deal in the first place? Way to be inconsistent. That said, I don't see why it's such a big deal. If it's getting out of hands, don't People Staff have the ability to edit them out? Someone should get a PM first before s/he has his warning automatically raised. And instead of getting up in everyone's asses with warnings, I don't understand why People Staff can't just do their jobs and edit when half the new People Staff don't do shit anyways.

And dude, it's not like there's SO MANY images anywhere else in the forums other than pictures. It's a stupid rule.

Oh, also, yknow how when you quote somebody who's quoted somebody else, but in your quote, the quote that s/he quoted doesn't show up? Is there anyway micron can format it so when you quote somebody, the image tags automatically disappear?

[TiffanyFactorial]

OH! a really good way is to either notify everyone by inbox or maybe when they enter the forum a little pop-up like the ones you guys created for new PMs comes up and announces the new rule. and they just have to click a little checkbox that will mean that they read it and understand the new rule. if they continue to make that mistake that happens to be against the rule, a warning will result. good idea? yeah? well i'm only suggesting this because i'm pretty sure not everyone will take the time to read a thread but if it's a popup, they'll have to.

Is there anyway micron can format it so when you quote somebody, the image tags automatically disappear?

i was about to ask the same thing!

[tokyo-rose]

Yes, but that's why we all started to be consistent about the rule as of May 2nd. Just because People Staff has the power to edit people's posts for them doesn't mean they should have to clean up after members who know not to quote images and are too lazy to edit the image tags out.

I've brought that up before. It would be nice to have images appear in URL format instead of as images in quoted replies.

[Tung]

....

this isn't even a problem in 10+ forums i go to. people quote images all the damn time.

[rnicron]

Yes, but that's why we all started to be consistent about the rule as of May 2nd. Just because People Staff has the power to edit people's posts for them doesn't mean they should have to clean up after members who know not to quote images and are too lazy to edit the image tags out.

I've brought that up before. It would be nice to have images appear in URL format instead of as images in quoted replies.

Consistent as of May 2nd? Bullshit. I linked you to 2 posts that had quoted images in them that were made AFTER May 2nd. And they were only edited because I said something. I would call that far from consistent.

[tokyo-rose]

I didn't see those replies.

[rnicron]

Then it's not consistent.

[Tung]

That's why you guys need staff members who are consistent and actually check ALL parts of the CC, and not just 1-2 subforums. *cough cough*

[TiffanyFactorial]

That's why you guys need staff members who are consistent and actually check ALL parts of the CC, and not just 1-2 subforums. *cough cough*

true that. but i'm guessing there are just too many threads that they can't keep up?

[rnicron]

true that. but i'm guessing there are just too many threads that they can't keep up?

Hardly a reason.

[TiffanyFactorial]

then they're randomly selecting threads they find could have posts that they may be able to edit and are too lazy to do their job. oh never mind, that just gets back to what tung was saying. they need to their darn jobs.

[transcendentalis...]

Wasn't it Ruth who thought it wasn't a big deal in the first place? Way to be inconsistent. That said, I don't see why it's such a big deal. If it's getting out of hands, don't People Staff have the ability to edit them out? Someone should get a PM first before s/he has his warning automatically raised. And instead of getting up in everyone's asses with warnings, I don't understand why People Staff can't just do their jobs and edit when half the new People Staff don't do shit anyways.

quote me.
i'm pretty sure last time this was brought up outside of backstage, i was with the "no quoting images unless it's on a different page" gang.

[rnicron]

quote me.
i'm pretty sure last time this was brought up outside of backstage, i was with the "no quoting images unless it's on a different page" gang.

She asked a question, not stated a fact. Stop being such a bitch about everything.

[Elba]

What's on a different page for you isn't on a different page for everyone else. Tung's post where he quoted Jane's picture was on the same page, for me, as Jane's post.

[transcendentalis...]

She asked a question, not stated a fact. Stop being such a bitch about everything.

I guess you didn't understand my reply, so to be more direct: no, it wasn't... unless I was misinterpreted.

and honestly, Spencer, I could say the same thing to you. All I did was remove your image tags and issue you a warning, which was taken down shortly - I could've gotten all up in your face with that PM harrassing you for not taking down img tags which has been kind of a rule for a while, but I didn't, all right?

I'm not a perfect mod, obviously, since I didn't see your posts (or any others that I've missed) 24 hours or however many hours after the post was made... and I don't catch things right away, and I'm not always online when stuff happens, but hell. I don't stalk the forums looking for trouble to "resolve" and image tags to remove.

[rnicron]

and honestly, Spencer, I could say the same thing to you. All I did was remove your image tags and issue you a warning, which was taken down shortly - I could've gotten all up in your face with that PM harrassing you for not taking down img tags which has been kind of a rule for a while, but I didn't, all right?

No, it's not all right. You're a bitch. It was taken down shortly after because I had to ASK for it to be taken down. You can't hold us accountable for a rule that isn't posted in the "rules".

Go ahead and PM me harassing messages. You're not all you make yourself out to be. Go complain about me Backstage or something like half of the other mods do.

[datass]

what does it mean by "been here long enough", there's some gray area there

[tokyo-rose]

Being active before the "no quoting images" rule was instated, I suppose. Also, members who have discussed the rule have acknowledged its existence, so that counts too.

[Elba]

Discrimination, imo.

[transcendentalis...]

No, it's not all right. You're a bitch. It was taken down shortly after because I had to ASK for it to be taken down. You can't hold us accountable for a rule that isn't posted in the "rules".

Go ahead and PM me harassing messages. You're not all you make yourself out to be. Go complain about me Backstage or something like half of the other mods do.

That was a misunderstanding. You can look the word up if you want.

If I bitch about you, it'll be on aim, not in the CC/RC/backstage or anywhere on CB... and I'm really not on aim all that much. If it really bothers you that I don't talk about you enough, I'll try and make more of an effort.

[rnicron]

Being active before the "no quoting images" rule was instated, I suppose. Also, members who have discussed the rule have acknowledged its existence, so that counts too.

That's like me saying Ruth should be more approachable because she's on staff, but is she? No.

[rnicron]

That was a misunderstanding. You can look the word up if you want.

If I bitch about you, it'll be on aim, not in the CC/RC/backstage or anywhere on CB... and I'm really not on aim all that much. If it really bothers you that I don't talk about you enough, I'll try and make more of an effort.

Right-o, Suzzette.

[karmakiller]

Why is this still an issue if it's already been resolved?

It's like a dog chasing it's own tail. We're not getting anywhere, just repeating the same things over and over. The rules have been updated the warn has been dropped.

[Elba]

I haven't seen an apology.

[Gigi]

It only takes 15 seconds to edit a post if an image has been quoted. Just do it. You guys are moderators. I had to pick up after everyone's shit back then too.

These rules are retarded. I think, rather than being so nitpicky about QUOTING IMAGES, that you should focus on more important issues like getting that stick out of your ass.

[Elba]

OMG, GIGI

[LetMePost]

Stop.

Reason for edit: wow, okay no more please.

[Gigi]

lol, Elba, just sayin'.

There are pictures of naked ladies lying around and you guys worry about regular, contributing members quoting images?! There is a serious imbalance of priorities here.

EDIT Hey, it got fixed. Thanks Dani. :) I think that was you, anyway.

[Tung]

gigi4admin

[libertie]

lol, Elba, just sayin'.

There are pictures of naked ladies lying around and you guys worry about regular, contributing members quoting images?! There is a serious imbalance of priorities here.

EDIT Hey, it got fixed. Thanks Dani. :) I think that was you, anyway.

Yeah, that was me. I'm on Skype but keep coming back and seeing them. :P

[TiffanyFactorial]

why isn't gigi admin?! she makes so much sense.

[rnicron]

why isn't gigi admin?! she makes so much sense.

Absolutely no offense to Gigi, but that's the problem around here. Everyone is like "oh so and so is SO OUTSPOKEN! they should be on staff!! omfg!" and then they get hired and do a full 360.

[superstitious]

I asked Jusun both Backstage and via PM if quoting images is a site related issue. If it is not, perhaps we can do away with this. I can't promise anything, but I did want to let you know that this has been communicated.

[Gigi]

Absolutely no offense to Gigi, but that's the problem around here. Everyone is like "oh so and so is SO OUTSPOKEN! they should be on staff!! omfg!" and then they get hired and do a full 360.

Don't worry, none taken. I don't want to be, nor do I think I would be, a good admin. Keep in mind, of the two people who brought it up, one of them was Tung, and the other person's only been active for 4 days.

No offense Tung.

[brooklyneast05]

this image quoting argument is dumb to me. i can't figure out why we spend so much time arguing over it. i hope we can just get rid of this stupid rule so we can move on to bitching about something more interesting.

[absinthe]

You know what else is stupid? People that do stupid shit, get f**ked for it, and proceed to fight tooth and nail about said offense using petty ass arguments, and then proceed to act as though they've won the Nobel f**king Peace Prize when assholing their way through their offense.

They're f**king rules on a forum board. Why you guys spend so much of your time bitching and whining about them is beyond me. Work with them, work around them, enjoy the board. But then again -- this kind of shitbag behavior is probably what you enjoy the most.

On the other hand, wtf at warning Spencer 4 days later. His ass should've been on the burner day 1. And as for this new member, old member crap, wtf? Are new members not capable of reading rules? Ridiculous. I can see an instance in which new members might be given leeway, but this isn't one of them. They're new, not stupid.

[DoubleJ]

I honestly think that when someone joins the site, the CG should be forwarded to their inbox, or should be posted when the staff greets a person. This way, we can clear any confusion about who knows what.

[Heathasm]

Absolutely no offense to Gigi, but that's the problem around here. Everyone is like "oh so and so is SO OUTSPOKEN! they should be on staff!! omfg!" and then they get hired and do a full 360.

LOL iawtc

You know what else is stupid? People that do stupid shit, get f**ked for it, and proceed to fight tooth and nail about said offense using petty ass arguments, and then proceed to act as though they've won the Nobel f**king Peace Prize when assholing their way through their offense.

They're f**king rules on a forum board. Why you guys spend so much of your time bitching and whining about them is beyond me. Work with them, work around them, enjoy the board. But then again -- this kind of shitbag behavior is probably what you enjoy the most.

On the other hand, wtf at warning Spencer 4 days later. His ass should've been on the burner day 1. And as for this new member, old member crap, wtf? Are new members not capable of reading rules? Ridiculous. I can see an instance in which new members might be given leeway, but this isn't one of them. They're new, not stupid.

did trish type that for you?

[absinthe]

maybe someone else usually has to form all your intelligent responses, but that was all me, thx.

[Elba]

I honestly think that when someone joins the site, the CG should be forwarded to their inbox, or should be posted when the staff greets a person. This way, we can clear any confusion about who knows what.

I think all new members receive an automatic PM from micron with a link to the community guidelines.

[tokyo-rose]

I think all new members receive an automatic PM from micron with a link to the community guidelines.

Right, they do. But the link needs to be updated.

Hi Wo0yaPo0ya,
Welcome to createBlog.com! Please take this time to read the community guidelines found in the Announcements forum. Hope you have fun and remember to come back again and again, we'll miss you if you don't!

Regards,
The CreateBlog Team
Ps. Don't forget to introduce yourself!
PPs. And tell your friends about this site!
PPPs. Show your support by joining our Xanga Blogring!

[rnicron]

You know what else is stupid? People that do stupid shit, get f**ked for it, and proceed to fight tooth and nail about said offense using petty ass arguments, and then proceed to act as though they've won the Nobel f**king Peace Prize when assholing their way through their offense.

They're f**king rules on a forum board. Why you guys spend so much of your time bitching and whining about them is beyond me. Work with them, work around them, enjoy the board. But then again -- this kind of shitbag behavior is probably what you enjoy the most.

On the other hand, wtf at warning Spencer 4 days later. His ass should've been on the burner day 1. And as for this new member, old member crap, wtf? Are new members not capable of reading rules? Ridiculous. I can see an instance in which new members might be given leeway, but this isn't one of them. They're new, not stupid.

Vagina, vagina, vagina.

[Melissa]

Right.

Laws are laws. So gay people should stop whining about wanting their marriage rights and stfu. We should stop fighting to legalize marijuana because, dude, it's against the law so just accept it. Let's NEVER challenge rules because that's the correct, conducive way to think in a growing community.

I hope you never go into politics.

Some rules are stupid, outdated, and should never have been made in the first place. It's our right as a community to complain about them and try to promote change.

[Gigi]

I know that rules matter and that they should never be broken on purpose, but I think the problem here is the emphasis on the wrong type of rules and the punishments that accompany them. Problems that are trivial get too much attention, and some of the staff dwell on these trivial issues to make it look like they're actually doing something. Yes, guys, it is that apparent.

I realize that I am not very active around cB anymore, but my point is still relevant and worth mentioning. cB shouldn't be about nitpicking at tiny, unimportant things. If anything, I'd just like to see the staff more involved in anything at all.

I mean, if you told me to name people on the staff, I would be at a loss for words. Surely, even for a semi-active member like myself, it would be extremely easy for me to name the mods? But it's not. Right now, without reference, I can only come up with the admins, head staff and Holly. That's partly because they've been around for the longest (and also tend to be the most helpful). Just the other day, looking through the forums, I though, "Who the hell is sparrowdust?" No offense to Ruth. I actually had to do some poking around the forums just to find out. That's just sort of ridiculous.

[brooklyneast05]

yeah for real. i don't think of the majority of the staff being that active really


active to me meaning being around the boards and interacting as if they were a member, not "modding" (whatever that means).

[DoubleJ]

Ahh, the infamous smiley!

[brooklyneast05]

that smiley makes me think of holly's posts for some reason

[DoubleJ]

That makes me think of when Christina makes fun of it!

[tokyo-rose]

active to me meaning being around the boards and interacting as if they were a member, not "modding" (whatever that means).

There was an issue with that regarding Jane's modding, though. Someone was saying that she posted as a member rather than acting as a staff member.

[rnicron]

It's everyone, Sarah. Name a good 5 people on staff with forum presence.

On top of that, the staff is really clique-y. It's like Backstage is a hiding ground for you, or even a safe haven. If you haven't noticed, every time someone steps down and it's made public, I could most likely count on every staff member to post and be like "ah man you broke our _____ gang" or "dammit now who's going to be the t in our bithasdf gang?". It's pretty much ridiculous. Granted, us as MEMBERS are clique-y, but we're just that, members. It seems like you all are more at doing things behind the scenes, rather than in public.

[brooklyneast05]

There was an issue with that regarding Jane's modding, though. Someone was saying that she posted as a member rather than acting as a staff member.

well i don't think that complaint was from me. i thought that i posted as a member while on staff. i don't have a problem with staff acting like members( i mean, you know, since they are) unless they are neglecting their job. the staff really doesn't have much of a job around here right now cause the forums are slow as hell. the staff right now just doesn't seem that interested in the community. i mean not that i blame them, considering i don't think cb is all that interesting at the moment. i'm just saying that it seems like staff is doing more replying to stuff than just normal posting or something.

[miyashu]

well i don't think that complaint was from me. i thought that i posted as a member while on staff. i don't have a problem with staff acting like members( i mean, you know, since they are) unless they are neglecting their job. the staff really doesn't have much of a job around here right now cause the forums are slow as hell. the staff right now just doesn't seem that interested in the community. i mean not that i blame them, considering i don't think cb is all that interesting at the moment. i'm just saying that it seems like staff is doing more replying to stuff than just normal posting or something.

jc, i understand what you're saying and looking back at my recent activity, i've only been 'active' in the support center and it's been making me feel very distant from everyone. i also think it's important that staff members interact with the community rather than just do their jobs. otherwise, like gigi said, no one will know who you are.

[absinthe]

Right.

Laws are laws. So gay people should stop whining about wanting their marriage rights and stfu. We should stop fighting to legalize marijuana because, dude, it's against the law so just accept it. Let's NEVER challenge rules because that's the correct, conducive way to think in a growing community.

I hope you never go into politics.

Some rules are stupid, outdated, and should never have been made in the first place. It's our right as a community to complain about them and try to promote change.

This coming from the person who loves throwing around the phrase, "it's just the internet!" Consistent. Consistently hypocritical.

And, ROFL -- if you take cB rules as seriously as real life laws, then you're pretty f**king stupid.

[Melissa]

It was a comparison; maybe you should not take everything people say literally. And excuse me, how is "it's just the internet" and "what's wrong with challenging rules?" two contradicting statements? If you're gonna go through your life just blindly following rules, that's fine with me, but excuse me if I'd like to advocate change once in a while - in real life AND on the internet.

[absinthe]

Blind follower? I think not. It's more like I know which battles to choose. And as for you being hypocritical -- maybe you should look at the bigger picture.

Your penchant for throwing around, "it's just the internet!" type phrases versus your need to "advocate change" on just the internet are exceedingly hypocritical.

[Elba]

I don't think Melissa cares much about the rule, she just didn't see how it was such a big deal. So I don't understand how you can go off calling her a hypocrite when she's not bitching half as much as Spencer is about this.

[absinthe]

If that's the way she feels, then we're in agreement. But apparently, since we're on opposite sides, she doesn't.

And I wasn't even referring to her in the first place.

And I'd say the reason I called her a hypocrite was pretty valid.

[*paperplane*]

Anisha, was this battle really worth choosing? You may not have started it, but you're still in it.

[absinthe]

What kinda pointless question is that?

[*paperplane*]

A really pointless one? But probably no more pointless than the rest of this.

[absinthe]

A really pointless one? But probably no more pointless than the rest of this.

THANK YOU. My point exactly.