Hell.... Is it real?, Yes or no?... Listen to this. Options

[illriginal]

A geological group who drilled a hole about 14.4 kilometers deep in the crust of the earth are saying that they heard human screams. Screams have been heard from the condemned souls from earth’s deepest hole. Terrified scientists are afraid they have let loose the evil powers of hell up to the earth’s surface.

"The information we are gathering is so surprising, that we are sincerely afraid of what we might find down there," stated Mr. Azzacov, the manager of the project to drill a 14.4 kilometer hole in remote Siberia.The geologists were dumbfounded. After they had drilled several kilometers through the earth’s crust, the drill bit suddenly began to rotate wildly. "There is only one explanation—that the deep center of the earth is hollow," the surprised Azzacov explained.

The second surprise was the high temperature they discovered in the earth’s center. "The calculations indicate the given temperature was about 1,100 degrees Celsius, or over 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit," Dr. Azzacov points out. "This is far more then we expected. It seems almost like an inferno of fire is brutally going on in the center of the earth."
Supposedly this sound clip is actually real/legitimate. Pretty much Russian scientists drilled a hole in Siberia back in 1977.


The last discovery was nevertheless the most shocking to our ears, so much so that the scientists are afraid to continue the project. We tried to listen to the earth’s movements at certain intervals with supersensitive microphones, which were let down through the hole. What we heard turned those logically thinking scientists into a trembling ruins. It was a sometimes a weak, but high pitched sound which we thought to be coming from our own equipment," explained Dr. Azzacov. "But after some adjustments we comprehended that indeed the sound came from the earth’s interior. We could hardly believe our own ears. We heard a human voice, screaming in pain. Even though one voice was discernible, we could hear thousands, perhaps millions, in the background, of suffering souls screaming. After this ghastly discovery, about half of the scientists quit because of fear. Hopefully, that which is down there will stay there," Dr. Azzacov added.

Fake? What do you believe?

I can cross reference this to where God sends Satan to Earth before Earth is fully completed in development. If we were to implement science to this, this is basically the core that satan resides in.

[marielamuneka]

I didnt read all of that but i started too and it reminded me of
the "23 minutes in hell" thing on youtube. and then also some thing i heard i think in florida in a body of water some guy went deep below and heard screams of souls and all that shit and supposidly its the hole to hell.. i dont know.

[illriginal]

Yeh only reason why I'm questioning this is because Art Bell, who's a very intelligent man could not debunk this for the life of him. He took to the time to speak to some of the scientists and they all agreed that the sound bite is truly legitimate.

[marielamuneka]

That shit probably is real. You seen the clip/video 23 minutes in hell or something.. this guy talks about it, its disturbing.
But yeah whatever, wherever Hell is.. I know it's real whether, hell is what were living on(earth) or under earths whatever.. its real. We just dont know where..

[heyo-captain-jac...]

They must have drilled to Darfur.

[foxx]

Wow, from what i've read so far, i can believe this somewhat, but it just seems too far fetched for me. But, with all the proof they provide us with, its pulling me both ways.
I can't say exactly what i believe right now, but it seems somewhat legitimate.

[Melissa]

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/d/drilltohellfacts.htm

Do you believe everything you read? This story's considered an urban legend.

Heaven and Hell isn't somewhere that you can reach on earth. You don't seriously believe that heaven resides in the clouds, do you? Hell, while its existence can be questioned, definitely doesn't reside in the core of this earth.

[tokyo-rose]

Fake? What do you believe?

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/d/drilltohellfacts.htm

I believe that you should have checked this story out more carefully before posting in Debate. :/

[Amaranthus]

You know, I vary sometimes between skepticism and instantaneous belief.

But to me it sounded as though it was a clip from "South Park" being played over and over again.


Personally I've always believed that Heaven and Hell were in Outer Space. Idky.


Also, what bothered me the most about the 2nd video was that they were so avid in convincing us that we needed to say this prayer and repent blah blah blah...
He mispelled several words and didnt use proper sentence structure-which bothers me.

[S-Majere]

I don't think Hell could be a physical place; or rather not one that can exist in this 'reality', if you will. The idea that the Earth is filled in the middle with tormented bad guys, demons and Lucifer himself is just...silly. It's like suggesting Heaven was found on the moon by astronauts who heard hymns up there during the moon landings.

I think it's more likely the "screams" were a natural phenomenon. It's hot and wild down there, after all. But er, not THAT hot or wild.

[brooklyneast05]

It's like suggesting Heaven was found on the moon by astronauts who heard hymns up there during the moon landings.

[jesusisthebestth...]

I believe in heaven and therefore, I believe in hell. However, from reading the article and listening to the video I cannot tell if they were drilling to hell or in a busy high school cafeteria.

[illriginal]

I believe that you should have checked this story out more carefully before posting in Debate. :/

Could it be possible that someone's just trying to downplay the authenticity of it? Just like people try to down play the fact that UFOs are real, and there was once life on the moon?....

And I'm not speakin conspiracies, since they were disclosed to the American public just recently.


By the way, the 2nd clip is Art Bell speaking. Art Bell would never put his credibility on the line. He's been a talk show host for over 20 years lol.

As for the person who typed up the script on the 2nd clip... we really can't use that against it. Also I see that some people say that it sounds like a bunch of people in a cafeteria... listen to it carefully.

[Reidar]

"...out of the midst of this incandescent cloud pillar a brilliant being with bat wings revealed itself with the words (in Russian): 'I have conquered'"

Aha. Just as I've been saying all along.

Let me pose this to you: have you ever seen this indescribable bat creature and Vladimir Putin in the same room together?

[NoSex]

Let me pose this to you: have you ever seen this indescribable bat creature and Vladimir Putin in the same room together?

Might as well ask him if he has ever really seen China, with his own two eyes...

The story is an often repeated, never substantiated, urban legend. That you didn't even try to do a simple google search on the authenticity of the story is embarrassing. This isn't even worth refutation, because... there, currently, is no legitimate evidence to comment on. Read a book.

[illriginal]

Might as well ask him if he has ever really seen China, with his own two eyes...

The story is an often repeated, never substantiated, urban legend. That you didn't even try to do a simple google search on the authenticity of the story is embarrassing. This isn't even worth refutation, because... there, currently, is no legitimate evidence to comment on. Read a book.

Should I read a book in the existence of hell or should I read about how to become atheist and just simply disregard anything and everything?


How about this, is there anything other than the claim of it being an urban legend, that refutes this? Or could we possibly claim that event being called an urban legend is just a way to down play and disregard it?

[Melissa]

If you google "drill a hole to hell" or something to that extent, you'll find pages upon pages that repeat that this story is an urban legend. If you read the website I posted, it explains that when they tried to go back and find the source of this claim, nothing substantial really came up.

//edit: Obviously, this event wasn't disregarded. People went back and tried to do further research on this event. And you claim to be religious, right? Most religious texts claim that heaven and hell can not be reached in the physical world.

[NoSex]

Should I read a book in the existence of hell or should I read about how to become atheist and just simply disregard anything and everything?

I've read numerous apologetic works, theological meditations, and have been a large part of a multitude of youth programs, church organizations, and religious studies. I'm not ignorant nor am I obnoxiously prejudice in my psychological selection. My honest suggestion: read both.

But, really, consider your position: you just posted an obvious urban legend as a serious debate. It's pathetic. You post, verbatim, a story that has only been repeated in completely non-scientific religious journals. Further, you cite "Art Bell" as a reputable defender of the story (though he has no qualifications, whatsoever. His celebrity is entirely based on the discussion of psuedo-science, protoscience, UFO's, and ghosts). It's a joke!

You need to stop reading this sort of stuff. You need to read things that seriously dispute the beliefs you already have (so feverishly) instilled in yourself. Here are my suggestions:

1. Pick up Thomas Paine's "The Age of Reason." (I really think you will like this a lot)
2. Read Betrand Russell's essay, "Why I Am Not a Christian."
3. Pick up George H. Smith's "Atheism: A Case Against God." (read it two times, make notes)
4. Pick up Richard Dawkin's "The God Delusion."

Do this for no one but yourself. Maybe you can grow as a human being, learn something.

[illriginal]

If you google "drill a hole to hell" or something to that extent, you'll find pages upon pages that repeat that this story is an urban legend. If you read the website I posted, it explains that when they tried to go back and find the source of this claim, nothing substantial really came up.

//edit: Obviously, this event wasn't disregarded. People went back and tried to do further research on this event. And you claim to be religious, right? Most religious texts claim that heaven and hell can not be reached in the physical world.

Yeah supposedly they spoke to an evangelist and he took the claim that it was false.

Which religious texts claim that hell or and heaven are NOT on/in earth?...

I could only assume that if hell and heaven did exist, then hell could possibly be on earth since Earth is satan's throne and has his free will to tempt people.

I've read numerous apologetic works, theological meditations, and have been a large part of a multitude of youth programs, church organizations, and religious studies. I'm not ignorant nor am I obnoxiously prejudice in my psychological selection. My honest suggestion: read both.

But, really, consider your position: you just posted an obvious urban legend as a serious debate. It's pathetic. You post, verbatim, a story that has only been repeated in completely non-scientific religious journals. Further, you cite "Art Bell" as a reputable defender of the story (though he has no qualifications, whatsoever. His celebrity is entirely based on the discussion of psuedo-science, protoscience, UFO's, and ghosts). It's a joke!

You need to stop reading this sort of stuff. You need to read things that seriously dispute the beliefs you already have (so feverishly) instilled in yourself. Here are my suggestions:

1. Pick up Thomas Paine's "The Age of Reason." (I really think you will like this a lot)
2. Read Betrand Russell's essay, "Why I Am Not a Christian."
3. Pick up George H. Smith's "Atheism: A Case Against God." (read it two times, make notes)
4. Pick up Richard Dawkin's "The God Delusion."

Do this for no one but yourself. Maybe you can grow as a human being, learn something.

So you didn't have anythin to refute the claim other than it's an urban legend, which is fine. I'm not sayin this clip is "real" but I find it hard that a person like Art Bell would just accept this as truth and not try to refute it. Art Bell is known to debunk and even make his callers look foolish.

So I assume you don't believe in UFOs?... heh.

And you want me to read books that'll try to convince me into abolishing God from my faith, and use human logic and reasoning through their philosophy as some sort of proof? Why would I read human philosophy take that thought or philosophical view as fact and disregard the very words of God... that's just twisted in my opinion.

Or it could simply be that these philosophers who are tryin to push God away from the people are just doin the work of satan... I mean since this is the point of satan's existence. To not depend on a God of any sort because it doesn't exist...

At the same time you tell me to learn the other side of things, I would recommend you take a close look into the disclosure/investigative reports about UFOs that were just recently released on CNN.

[Reidar]

Might as well ask him if he has ever really seen China, with his own two eyes...

If he hasn't, then China does not exist.

[Luna5]

I think it just depends on what you think as a person. Some people think earth is hell.

[ersatz]

This is the biggest crock of shit I've ever read.

[brooklyneast05]

This is the biggest crock of shit I've ever read.

[illriginal]

If he hasn't, then China does not exist.

LOL I gotta be an atheist to have that logic.

[synatribe]

ok honestly I think this is too fake, why? first of all 14.4 kilometers isnt the size of a penis, I dont think mics can go that low, secondly the man said it was 2000 degrees, metal obejects burn at 200 degrees, and Im sure that the mic melted before getting even halfway, another thing is 19 seconds is too long for a mic to survive in 2000 degrees, think about it , a volcano averages 1150 - 1350 degrees and if you put a mic in a volcano, it dosent even last a millisecond, let alone an entire 19 seconds, also the siberian scientist recorded exactly 19 seconds, how come there was no mic melting sounds? Also that sound is really easy to recreate if you took the time, that just sounds like a nazi camp with people beating the Jews [edited], also in the second email how do u know "RICK" isnt fake? the sender of the email? how come the video never shows the email? how do u know its not a script, Im not trying to offend anyones religion but I dont think people should fall so fastly, especially only after 2 videos, you never know what this society is capable of manipulating

[illriginal]

ok honestly I think this is too fake, why? first of all 14.4 kilometers isnt the size of a penis, I dont think mics can go that low, secondly the man said it was 2000 degrees, metal obejects burn at 200 degrees, and Im sure that the mic melted before getting even halfway, another thing is 19 seconds is too long for a mic to survive in 2000 degrees, think about it , a volcano averages 1150 - 1350 degrees and if you put a mic in a volcano, it dosent even last a millisecond, let alone an entire 19 seconds, also the siberian scientist recorded exactly 19 seconds, how come there was no mic melting sounds? Also that sound is really easy to recreate if you took the time, that just sounds like a nazi camp with people beating the Jews [edited], also in the second email how do u know "RICK" isnt fake? the sender of the email? how come the video never shows the email? how do u know its not a script, Im not trying to offend anyones religion but I dont think people should fall so fastly, especially only after 2 videos, you never know what this society is capable of manipulating

Well that's the point of puttin this up into debate... to get an idea from the crowd as a whole whether it's true or not. I do agree though with what you mentioned in terms of metal melting, it would be foolish of me to go even deeper by sayin, "well what if they used a metal of which could withstand". But again as I've stated, I don't claim this to be fact... I just want to know what you guys think.

[synatribe]

Well that's the point of puttin this up into debate... to get an idea from the crowd as a whole whether it's true or not. I do agree though with what you mentioned in terms of metal melting, it would be foolish of me to go even deeper by sayin, "well what if they used a metal of which could withstand". But again as I've stated, I don't claim this to be fact... I just want to know what you guys think.

yea, I dont think hell is fake, just these videos LOL :]

[Marlons]

Damn man. Creepy shit.

[NoSex]

If he hasn't, then China does not exist.

Solipsism isn't cool.

[Reidar]

It is when acting as blatantly obvious causticity.

[illriginal]

It is when acting as blatantly obvious causticity.

-.- He does this with all my posts no matter how contradicting it is to his views in the first place, there's always an excuse given and that makes him right every time (in his own mind)

[Reidar]

I didn't take that seriously, nor did he intend for me to. I'm (unfortunately) a few centuries too late for someone to earnestly believe me insinuating that the Russian president's secret alter-ego is a Hell-spawned bat creature.

Hm. That actually doesn't sound too farfetched, after rereading it.

[EddieV]

Heaven and Hell, if described in the literal sense is not part of the Earth but another dimension. Otherwise everytime we fly to space we'd see angels and our dead family members.

I can blast people to another dimension as well.

[illriginal]

Heaven and Hell, if described in the literal sense is not part of the Earth but another dimension.

What's your reference?...

[EddieV]

None, it's my own opinion on it. I don't care what everyone else thinks. Read my creed.

[illriginal]

None, it's my own opinion on it. I don't care what everyone else thinks. Read my creed.

Then what's the point of Daniel/Satan being thrown into the center of earth before earth was fully developed?

[EddieV]

Like I said, it may not be literal.

[illriginal]

Like I said, it may not be literal.

hm.. I was thinkin if it was literal from what I've understood, that then hell would actually be in the center of hell, not in another dimension, which is also plausible.

[NoSex]

So I assume you don't believe in UFOs?... heh.

I believe that there are phenomena that we might not fully understand right now - however, I don't believe that intra-stellar space aliens is any sort of explanation.

And you want me to read books that'll try to convince me into abolishing God from my faith, and use human logic and reasoning through their philosophy as some sort of proof? Why would I read human philosophy take that thought or philosophical view as fact and disregard the very words of God... that's just twisted in my opinion.

Or it could simply be that these philosophers who are tryin to push God away from the people are just doin the work of satan... I mean since this is the point of satan's existence. To not depend on a God of any sort because it doesn't exist...

How about you sincerely read them and honestly attempt a critique? All of this posturing just makes you look like a fat-headed psychopath. You so easily assume that the existence of god is real and that you are informed of such by the supposed "word of god," and, because of the fervor and zeal that you hold this opinion, you almost completely refuse to even consider alternative ideas. It's not, as you profess it to be, enlightening. Haven't you ever considered that you might be wrong?

At the same time you tell me to learn the other side of things, I would recommend you take a close look into the disclosure/investigative reports about UFOs that were just recently released on CNN.

I've read a good deal about the paranormal and UFOs in specific. I've come from a world of strangeness, where John Keel was a believable sort of guy. I'm not ignorant to these ideas, just as I am not ignorant to the ideas of religiosity. But, I still contend, that you seem hopelessly ignorant of any serious secular philosophy. In order to encourage you, I will seek out this CNN report. I hope that you change your mind and look into the books that I have presented to you.

[EddieV]

How about you sincerely read them and honestly attempt a critique? All of this posturing just makes you look like a fat-headed psychopath. You so easily assume that the existence of god is real and that you are informed of such by the supposed "word of god," and, because of the fervor and zeal that you hold this opinion, you almost completely refuse to even consider alternative ideas. It's not, as you profess it to be, enlightening. Haven't you ever considered that you might be wrong?

As much as I disagree on many aspects these books explain I'd still have to say he's right on this one. Even though it may mislead you from your faith, these books do deserve to be read. Why? Because one very important thing for Islam is to do research. See how you can prove these books wrong.

If you decide not to read these and do research, it shows you're closed minded. As much as I don't agree with what Nate says, he seems to read up on much more than you do.

[illriginal]

As much as I disagree on many aspects these books explain I'd still have to say he's right on this one. Even though it may mislead you from your faith, these books do deserve to be read. Why? Because one very important thing for Islam is to do research. See how you can prove these books wrong.

If you decide not to read these and do research, it shows you're closed minded. As much as I don't agree with what Nate says, he seems to read up on much more than you do.

In a sense you can't really prove philosophy wrong, because that's all that it is. It's a long hard thought of something(s) that is in their personal perspective. You can only give your opinion about it but what good is debating/questioning philosophy if it's other than what the interpretation of the philosophical view. I read philosophy and highly enjoy it, but it's mainly Eastern philosophy, I don't appreciate much of the Western philosophies. Regardless it either better helps me understand life or it's just some philosophical view that doesn't mean much to me.

Above that philosophy is only respected when it meets your criteria.. or in other words if you can relate to it. If you don't relate to it in any sense... then you just simply disregard it and move on, or am I wrong?

And that's fine that you believe someone reads more than I do... I'm not gonna sit here and challenge someone into who reads what, how much of it, how fast, and so on... doesn't matter to me. What does matter is authenticity/legitimacy, and the interpretations, everything else fails.

[NoSex]

In a sense you can't really prove philosophy wrong, because that's all that it is. It's a long hard thought of something(s) that is in their personal perspective.

Much of what I presented to you is more scientific than it is philosophical.

[EddieV]

Above that philosophy is only respected when it meets your criteria.. or in other words if you can relate to it. If you don't relate to it in any sense... then you just simply disregard it and move on, or am I wrong?

I'd say you should at least look into it before disregarding it fully. Research a bit. Then if you don't agree, then stop reading. I think some things deserve to be read, it's why they're there. They wouldn't be well known for no reason.

...and I agree with a lot of Western philosophies as well as Eastern. Why? Because I choose my own philosophy and add it all together to suit my own needs, and to me, I believe that people shall do the same. I believe there's a couple of things in Western culture that you prefer over Eastern as well. You can't simply disagree with ALL of it.

But that's me.

Anyways we're kinda off subject. I believe the screaming while digging is a mere coincidence and isn't hell. I believe we also have the technology to find out if a visible hell really does exist. Just have to wait for some wacko to actually start going for it.

[illriginal]

Don't worry, I'm not automatically disregarding these philosophers. I've been looking for their books online for free. :P Free E-books ftw.

[Tweeti]

I believe in the Holy Bible, so yeah there is a hell.

[NoSex]

I believe in the Holy Bible, so yeah there is a hell.

Argument from authority.
Also, begging the question.

Learn to actually debate.

[IVIike]

I think it's real. It's really scary but it's kind of cool at the same time.

[illriginal]

I think it's real. It's really scary but it's kind of cool at the same time.

what?

[bitchface20]

hahaha see, you don't need religion to prove there is a hell, as like everything else, only science can prove such things.

and no, a hole in the ground, and probably schizophrenic diggers, around machines all day, that make noise that can play tricks on the brain and ears to sound like screaming, well there would be many explanation about the screams, heat means nothing. who says hell is even fiery? a bible? wheres the proof thats even real.

[Sandraaa]

LMFAO! HAHA! Very funny joke.

[synatribe]

told u it was fake
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/d/drilltohellfacts.htm

[aybaybay007]

oh god thats disturbing. i wanna ask them if they can throw my x boyfriend in that hole they drilled

[Kontroll]

First of all. It's fake. Check it out. Research it. Not that hard to find. It was spread around by people, and we all know what happens when the story comes to the last person. It changes. Dramatically.

To start. Hell is described in the Bible as a bottomless pit. And the center of the earth, as we know has a limit, and has little capacity for so many damned souls.

Secondly, Hell is a spiritual place, and therefore cannot exist in the physical. I've always thought about if the universe has no limit, then there cannot be a spiritual world, because there would be no room. But, in fact the universe does, and it gives me speculation that there is a possibility for a spiritual realm. But, I, at the moment, do not believe such a thing.

The first video got me going a little bit, but the chance of that ever happening is zero. That hole in the ground in Siberia is only a diamond mine. They haven't even gotten through the earth's crust as of yet.

So, think twice before you hear religious mumbo jumbo like this again.