A Gay Idea Options

[pandora]

Christine Pham: i just thought of the most awesome thing
Christine Pham: if all the gays in the US came together and created a religion around being gay
Christine Pham: they technically would be able to get married
Christine Pham: BECAUSE
Christine Pham: otherwise it would be religious persecution to disallow them from getting married
Christine Pham: and NO COUNTRY wants to do that hahahahhahaa
toyadelfuego: hahahahha that's freakin genius
Christine Pham: and ANYONE can create a religion about anything.

Go.

[Spirited Away]

Too much trouble when the same logic can apply to drug addicts, baby killers, gay bashers, the KKK, rapists...etc.

[pandamonium]

Too much trouble when the same logic can apply to drug addicts, baby killers, gay bashers, the KKK, rapists...etc.

true that. but this is for gay people, its okay for straight drug addicts to marry.

[Spirited Away]

true that. but this is for gay people, its okay for straight drug addicts to marry.

come again?

[fameONE]

true that. but this is for gay people, its okay for straight drug addicts to marry.

That made me smile.

If marriage is holy matrimony between a male and a female, why is it that aetheists are able to get married? Are they horrible people?

If you really break it down, marriage is a piece of paper and a lot of responsibility. I don't want to downplay the significance of love and marriage, but on paper, marriage is just legal binding. Why exclude gay people?

[pandora]

come again?

i think what they meant was that no one is disallowing rapists and drugees from getting married.

[Spirited Away]

i think what they meant was that no one is disallowing rapists and drugees from getting married.

Oh. Thanks.

true that. but this is for gay people, its okay for straight drug addicts to marry.

What I meant is a religion for drug addicts to be able to use and abuse drugs as they like. It doesn't have to be druggies.

What about incest? How about a religion for brothers and sisters to be able to get married?

If marriage is holy matrimony between a male and a female, why is it that aetheists are able to get married? Are they horrible people?

If you really break it down, marriage is a piece of paper and a lot of responsibility. I don't want to downplay the significance of love and marriage, but on paper, marriage is just legal binding. Why exclude gay people?

True.

[pandamonium]

come again?

LOL maybe i misunderstood you. but were you trying to say the same thing goes for drug addicts and baby killers, that they could form a religion together...?

If that is what you were implying in your post then my response was, that its okay for two baby killers and two drug addicts to marry cause if they are straight, so then they wouldnt have to form another religion cause they can get married anyway.

[pandora]

the point here is not that they can create a religion. the point is tat if they did, they would be able to get married.

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sorry, i didnt read that very thoroughly. haha.

well as far as incest goes, we've always got the Mormons, right?

[fameONE]

But you know how the fem ones are, its never enough and they'll bitch. The Chris Crocker's of the world will bitch about it.

[*Steven*]

come again?

That's what she said.

[Simba]

Oh, the religion excuse was a classic back in the day.


HOMEWORK IS AGAINST MY RELIGION, SORRY.

[absinthe]

Would it really be considered religious persecution though? Technically when straight couples get married, it doesn't really matter how or through which customs since they still have to register. Unless it was a stipulation that all gay people upon assuming said faith were required to get married, in which case, they could -- just not in the eyes of the law.

I don't think its possible for a religion to stipulate that they have to be legally married because then the issue of WHICH legal law they were actually following would come into play since there isn't an international law.

I can't believe I just put that much thought into this.

[missnh]

Many gay people want to get married b/c they want the rights that married people have. I'm not sure exactly what they are, but it has to do with money, taxes, etc. What does the government offer to specific religions? --Nothing. That is why this idea would be pointless and not get anything done. :3

[pandora]

actually its not that they would be offering them to specific religions. the point was that every one who belongs to a certain religion can get married under their own particular church. if gay people came together, built a religion and a church, the government would have no choice but to allow them to be married because otherwise it would be religious persecution to deny them that.

[Just_Dream]

What about incest? How about a religion for brothers and sisters to be able to get married?

Incest is not only deemed as immoral by many (or some), but there is also the issue of bloodlines where hereditary disorders come into play. That's why there were kings and queens with bloodlines that died off so quickly because incest became dangerous. Although I believe cousins can marry. I'm not exactly sure though.


As for the gains of homosexual marriage:

• The right to adopt. It is seem as a much more stable environment for adopted children if they have two parents. Although one parent can adopt, with the case of a homosexual individual wanting to adopt, the standards are set differently.
• Marriage license - Since it's a legal binding, some (or most, if not all) people see it as proof that they are legally married.

That's all I can think of now. I will edit this later.

[jesusisthebestth...]

If marriage is holy matrimony between a male and a female, why is it that aetheists are able to get married? Are they horrible people?

I've always agreed with this notion. I guess it's worse to be gay than it is to be atheist

[MissFits]

^ You've always agreed that atheists are horrible people?

[*Steven*]

I've always agreed with this notion. I guess it's worse to be gay than it is to be atheist

Wow you're pretty far out there.

[fameONE]

Wow you're pretty far out there.

She seemed to have misunderstood my post.

[DoubleJ]

The government would find some way to stop it just because they can. I agree that if they can find a way to get it done, get err done.

[hilaryhashandcuf...]

We need gay rights in this country,
but the problem with this is that I highly doubt everybody in the gay community would be okay with it.
I know many gay people who aren't even concerned with marriage...
it's just not a big deal to them.

And there is another problem with this - gays need the same rights everybody else has, and that's where marriage comes into play, as many of you before me have pointed out but I'm too lazy to quote.

There will always be a toggling between right and wrong with the issue, but I do think that at the moment pushing it is a must.

[Spirited Away]

For the record, I'm refuting this for the sake of debate, not that I condone incest or that I am anti-gay marriage.

1. Incest is not only deemed as immoral by many (or some),

2. but there is also the issue of bloodlines where hereditary disorders come into play.

3. That's why there were kings and queens with bloodlines that died off so quickly because incest became dangerous.

4. Although I believe cousins can marry. I'm not exactly sure though.

1. Homosexuality is also deemed as immoral by many (or some).
2. Health issues of HIV and other STDs are prominent in the gay community.
3. Whereas there is no true bloodlines to speak of when a gay couple marries.
4. As there are restrictions on homosexual marriage, there are also restrictions on cousins marrying each other. Please elaborate on your problem on this point.

5. The right to adopt. It is seem as a much more stable environment for adopted children if they have two parents. Although one parent can adopt, with the case of a homosexual individual wanting to adopt, the standards are set differently.

6. Marriage license - Since it's a legal binding, some (or most, if not all) people see it as proof that they are legally married.
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That's all I can think of now. I will edit this later.

5. While adoption laws vary State to State, the fact is that the option to adopt is available to joint or single adoption (depending on the State). I only know of one State (Florida) that completely ban adoption by homosexuals.

6. I'm not married so I'm not savvy on all benefits of being "legally married", but legality of marriage serves tax, medical benefits purposes. If a couple tells me that they're married, I'll take their word for it. They don't need to show me papers or anything to prove that they are. A legally binding document means shit these day aside from their compensation and pecuniary values. If the focus is on those things, and such are the basis of the pro-homosexual marriage argument, then marriage is damned all together.

Let me step outside of my devi's advocate role for a second to clarify my stance. Tax and medical and health benefits (death benefits) are ALL VERY legit reasons for homosexual to get married. As a single adult who can no longer enjoy lower tax and medical benefits of my parents, I understand completely the importance of having those available to any group of people.


On another note, calling marriage a "holy matrimony" is rather prejudicial, not to mention confining. By that definition, those who did not married by church, or some religious authority are not considered married. We all know that to be false.

[xcocoaxmuffinx]

oh gosh gay marriage. I hate this topic....why cant we all just live free from ANY predjudice? I thought this was AMERICA! In my opinion the way the government put this issue out there was because they new that americans would go crazy over it. I think its just a distraction from all the bigger problems there are in the world. I mean gas prices are still up, we're in a war thats completely pointless right now, people are dying every day from diseases we can't cure, children are starving, STD's are running wild so why the hell are we so concerned over who a person marries? And being bisexual [and attracted mostly to woman, although im dating a man] I understand the homosexual communities concern because what if one day I fall in love with a beautiful woman and we want to get married, why can't we? Is it because its not the "christian" thing to do? Or is it just different? Is it so awful that I'm attracted to the same sex?

[JokeInsideJoke]

i really dont care, im not gay. and i dont think i ever will be.

[brooklyneast05]

i really dont care, im not gay. and i dont think i ever will be.

yeah, you shouldn't think of anyone but yourself. as long as you have your rights, who cares right?

[JokeInsideJoke]

sadly, yes, that is the way most people are. im not proud of it, but ill admitt it.
and you are in a grouchy mood today.

[brooklyneast05]

no...it's debate, get out if you don't wanna be criticized for saying stuff like that. disagreeing with you has nothing to do with my mood. if you didn't have your rights, you'd want people to be sympathetic to that, but you aren't sympathetic to someone else being treated unfairly. messed up

[Melie]

well, i feel that this country should not outcast gays in america like they are a bad breed or something. they are humans, with rights and feelings. all of this debate is probably putting a toll on their lives and daily activity. i'll add to this more later...

[*Steven*]

well, i feel that this country should not outcast gays in america like they are a bad breed or something. they are humans, with rights and feelings. all of this debate is probably putting a toll on their lives and daily activity. i'll add to this more later...

Hold that thought! I'm going to call my senator and have him spread this among the bicameral legislature! They'll certainly hate gays now!

[JokeInsideJoke]

no...it's debate, get out if you don't wanna be criticized for saying stuff like that. disagreeing with you has nothing to do with my mood. if you didn't have your rights, you'd want people to be sympathetic to that, but you aren't sympathetic to someone else being treated unfairly. messed up

I NEVER SAID I WASNT SYMPATHETIC! you are taking my words out of content! im not mad at being criticized! i never said anything about not likeing gay people. i understand that they are people with fealings! all i was saying is that im NOT gay!

[pandora]

and that has what to do with the debate?

[breakingdawn]

I NEVER SAID I WASNT SYMPATHETIC! you are taking my words out of content! im not mad at being criticized! i never said anything about not likeing gay people. i understand that they are people with fealings! all i was saying is that im NOT gay!

You're right, you just said that you didn't really care.

[brooklyneast05]

I NEVER SAID I WASNT SYMPATHETIC! you are taking my words out of content! im not mad at being criticized! i never said anything about not likeing gay people. i understand that they are people with fealings! all i was saying is that im NOT gay!

shut the f**k up, nobody cares, go post in the sandbox or something

[fameONE]

Relax, everyone.

Despite any apparent ignorance, there is no use allowing frustration to detonate like an M67 fragmentation grenade, throwin' shrapnel in every direction and possibly hitting bystanders.

The mellow smiley is a godsend. Lets move on and get on with the debate.

[Just_Dream]

For the record, I'm refuting this for the sake of debate, not that I condone incest or that I am anti-gay marriage.

Wait I'm confused - are you taking what I said and debating against it? Because if so, I mentioned the incest part only to say why people are against incest, not why people are against homosexuality. In any case, I am all for multiculturalism, as I have not mentioned anything against it. If I misinterpreted what you meant, then I apologize for that.

Ah I did not know of the tax benefits and such, but thank you for clarifying that.

[Melie]

Hold that thought! I'm going to call my senator and have him spread this among the bicameral legislature! They'll certainly hate gays now!

lol...you nerd!

well, as i was saying, i wish that the gov't could just stop being such hypocrites and just leave them alone.

i forgot what i was gonna say because my daughter interrupted me. but, that was pretty much my point.

[*Steven*]

lol...you nerd!

well, as i was saying, i wish that the gov't could just stop being such hypocrites and just leave them alone.

i forgot what i was gonna say because my daughter interrupted me. but, that was pretty much my point.

You're a bad person. Premarital sex = no no. You're going to hell.

[Melie]

ehh...at least you'll be joining me

[brooklyneast05]

steven isn't going to hell

[Melie]

ahhh...you must be the guy that holds his dingaling when he goes wee wee huh?

[brooklyneast05]

wow i thought you couldn't get any lamer than your reply to elba. what are you talking about? how does that reply make sense to me saying he isn't going to hell

[transcendentalis...]

dudes, cut down on the spam plz. and if you really gotta do the whole member bashing business, be subtle and have more content to your post than that.

kbai

[Melie]

sorry if i'm lame...i wasn't raised in this millenium so i'm not up to speed with the new lingo. but i dont really care what you think of me: both of you. all i know is that this topic was about homosexuality and yet, you guys wanna throw insults at me.

[missnh]

ahhh...you must be the guy that holds his dingaling when he goes wee wee huh?

I'm just curious as to what you mean by this? Most men do have to hold their dicks while they are pissing, so they don't look like fools and urinate into their mouths and draw yellow, drippy doodles over the wall. I understand if your toilet has rotting feces and urination all over it b/c you cannot control where you aim your garbage, but please, how is that an insult?

[Melie]

# Topics are not to bash others.
# Immature behaviors/comments will not be tolerated.

as "head staff" i would've expected more from you.

[missnh]

# Topics are not to bash others.
# Immature behaviors/comments will not be tolerated.

as "head staff" i would've expected more from you.

My dear, JC is an amazing Head Staffer. As an Official Designer, I expect more from YOU!

[brooklyneast05]

# Topics are not to bash others.
# Immature behaviors/comments will not be tolerated.

as "head staff" i would've expected more from you.

as a 27 year old, i would have have expected more from you

[Melie]

interesting because i dont even remember why you're even trying to insult me in the first place. you had nothing to do with the conversation and yet you still want to put me down. that's looking out for yo boy who insulted me like he knew me. you should get all of your facts before you start jumping to conclusions.

[brooklyneast05]

all i said was that he wasn't going to hell, and then you jumped all over me for that statement. what did i do that was so awful again?

[missnh]

I just wanted to join in on the fun! D:

[b]armymelietorres[/b]: oh i know...i just enjoy this back and forth with them...as long as they don't take it personally

I'm sorry that you're taking this all so personally!

[Melie]

well, i'm very sorry if i seem as if i jumped to conclusions myself. i'm still a little offended in what he said to me. i apologize. i know i shouldn't take it out on you but you were in the chat room when he said what he said, but you did not respond so i was disappointed that you didn't say anything. so, again, i'm sorry. it's ok to insult my intelligence or even my work. but to insult my looks is another thing. maybe i was suppose to be clear about that.

[brooklyneast05]

well, i'm very sorry if i seem as if i jumped to conclusions myself. i'm still a little offended in what he said to me. i apologize. i know i shouldn't take it out on you but you were in the chat room when he said what he said, but you did not respond so i was disappointed that you didn't say anything. so, again, i'm sorry.

well you're a big girl, surely you can handle yourself. it's not my job to defend everyone, esp in the chat room. you're probably gonna be disappointed in me a lot if that's what you expect from me =/

[Melie]

you know what? you're right...i'm gonna let it go and move on to the topic at hand

[*Steven*]

well you're a big girl

[xcocoaxmuffinx]

OKAY well obviously im the only gay person talking on this topic so why dont you just listen to me huh? Okay I'm BISEXUAL and I have dated more woman than men and I am very much attracted to woman. ITS THAT SIMPLE. You all are turning a debate into a immature little fight, LETS BE MATURE HERE...I've endured so much teasing and dissaproval for my orientation, and aparently people here are no better than my family, ex friends, co workers and everyone else who has discriminated against me like I was doing something WRONG. Just GROW THE f*CK up...and stop talking about something that you OBVIOUSLY know nothing about.

[brooklyneast05]

OKAY well obviously im the only gay person talking on this topic so why dont you just listen to me huh? Okay I'm BISEXUAL and I have dated more woman than men and I am very much attracted to woman. ITS THAT SIMPLE. You all are turning a debate into a immature little fight, LETS BE MATURE HERE...I've endured so much teasing and dissaproval for my orientation, and aparently people here are no better than my family, ex friends, co workers and everyone else who has discriminated against me like I was doing something WRONG. Just GROW THE f*CK up...and stop talking about something that you OBVIOUSLY know nothing about.

WHAT DO YOU WANT? A TROPHY?

[xcocoaxmuffinx]

I WANT YOU TO SHUT THE F*CK UP ABOUT TOPICS WHERE YOUR OPINION REALLY DOESN'T MATTER. IMMATURITY DOESN'T SUIT ANYONE. GROW UP.

[*Steven*]

OKAY well obviously im the only gay person talking on this topic so why dont you just listen to me huh? Okay I'm BISEXUAL and I have dated more woman than men and I am very much attracted to woman. ITS THAT SIMPLE. You all are turning a debate into a immature little fight, LETS BE MATURE HERE...I've endured so much teasing and dissaproval for my orientation, and aparently people here are no better than my family, ex friends, co workers and everyone else who has discriminated against me like I was doing something WRONG. Just GROW THE f*CK up...and stop talking about something that you OBVIOUSLY know nothing about.

Because sarcasm/trolling means I hate gays. Are you into black women? Cocoa muffs, maybe?

[misoshiru]

OKAY well obviously im the only gay person talking on this topic so why dont you just listen to me huh? Okay I'm BISEXUAL and I have dated more woman than men and I am very much attracted to woman. ITS THAT SIMPLE. You all are turning a debate into a immature little fight, LETS BE MATURE HERE...I've endured so much teasing and dissaproval for my orientation, and aparently people here are no better than my family, ex friends, co workers and everyone else who has discriminated against me like I was doing something WRONG. Just GROW THE f*CK up...and stop talking about something that you OBVIOUSLY know nothing about.

you're not gay if you're bisexual.

[brooklyneast05]

I WANT YOU TO SHUT THE F*CK UP ABOUT TOPICS WHERE YOUR OPINION REALLY DOESN'T MATTER. IMMATURITY DOESN'T SUIT ANYONE. GROW UP.

why doesn't my opinion matter? i have to be gay before i can have an opinion?

[*Steven*]

I WANT YOU TO SHUT THE F*CK UP ABOUT TOPICS WHERE YOUR OPINION REALLY DOESN'T MATTER. IMMATURITY DOESN'T SUIT ANYONE. GROW UP.

Grow up? If I talk in all caps, does that make me mature/grown up? If I curse at people and demand they do something, does that make me mature/grown up? If I pronounce that I'm both gay and bi-sexual, does that make me grown up?

[fameONE]

OKAY well obviously im the only gay person talking on this topic so why dont you just listen to me huh? Okay I'm BISEXUAL and I have dated more woman than men and I am very much attracted to woman. ITS THAT SIMPLE. You all are turning a debate into a immature little fight, LETS BE MATURE HERE...I've endured so much teasing and dissaproval for my orientation, and aparently people here are no better than my family, ex friends, co workers and everyone else who has discriminated against me like I was doing something WRONG. Just GROW THE f*CK up...and stop talking about something that you OBVIOUSLY know nothing about.

Where the hell did that come from? No need to get defensive. Iverson is on the court, you're in the bleachers. I doubt he'll come over to break your ankles.

Ignore the drama and don't fuel it with your own angst. Please, be stoic in this discussion. Being bisexual, its important for you to voice your claims legitimately, or else you'll torn to pieces in this chat.

[xcocoaxmuffinx]

Im sorry, I just had an awful day at work I really didn't mean to act so immature. I just really hate it when people take these types of issues lightly and joke about them, because it really isn't a joke I've had 2 friends commit suicide because they endured so much descrimination. I am again sorry for my choice of words.

[brooklyneast05]

i still don't get what you got so offended over

[xcocoaxmuffinx]

honestly, thats just how i am-im overly sensitive over certain topics.

[fameONE]

honestly, thats just how i am-im overly sensitive over certain topics.

Clean slate.

[pandora]

Im sorry, I just had an awful day at work I really didn't mean to act so immature. I just really hate it when people take these types of issues lightly and joke about them, because it really isn't a joke I've had 2 friends commit suicide because they endured so much descrimination. I am again sorry for my choice of words.

I'm bisexual, and yknow sometimes you just have to roll with the punches. If you can't make fun of yourself sometimes, then you're being entirely too dramatic.

[Just_Dream]

I just really hate it when people take these types of issues lightly and joke about them, because it really isn't a joke

Of course it's not a joke. That's why it's in the Debate forum. Maybe you're one of the very few/rare people who get Debate confused with Sandbox?


Once again, bad choice of words by insinuating that people here are taking issues "lightly". We wouldn't be debating over it if it's something to be taken lightly.

Oh and it's hypocritical for someone (someone being YOU) who feels like they don't get the respect they deserve because of their sexual orientation, to be here telling us to shut up. KTHXBYE.

[S-Majere]

I'm bisexual, and yknow sometimes you just have to roll with the punches. If you can't make fun of yourself sometimes, then you're being entirely too dramatic.

Oooo, Trish.

Gay marriage has fallen by 50% in the UK. The article I've linked you to thar suggests the figure is a 'normalising' process, whereas others remain sceptical that with a finite number of gay partnerships in the UK, the figure will continue to drop. There's also discussion that homosexual partnerships do not need their relationship to be recognised by law.

Live and let live.

[Spirited Away]

Wait I'm confused - are you taking what I said and debating against it? Because if so, I mentioned the incest part only to say why people are against incest, not why people are against homosexuality. In any case, I am all for multiculturalism, as I have not mentioned anything against it. If I misinterpreted what you meant, then I apologize for that.

Ah I did not know of the tax benefits and such, but thank you for clarifying that.

Yes, I refuted what you said. You mentioned problems with incest and I wanted to point out that homosexual communities face similar problems. Thus, it follows the line of debate that if homosexuals can form a religion to offset governmental restrictions, people who practice incest (or any other "abnormal" conduct) can do the same. We'll have chaos if everyone and their mother decide that hiding behind religion will solve all problems.

I say they do it like the civil rights movement and wait out for the rest of humanity to catch up. We don't need another religion to screw us over.


Yea, no problem on the tax thing. Enjoy your tax refunds while you can, I'll tell you that I'm not thrilled having to pay for taxes this year instead of getting a check. Being taxed as an independent single adult SUCKS.

[kryogenix]

Hello friends, I'm back, for today at least.

You don't need to create a new religion to have a gay marriage. The United Church of Christ supports Gay Marriage.

The thing is, there are two types of marriage: marriage in the church and marriage in the state. The government deals with government in the state, the church deals with government in the church. Two separate things. So if your church allows gay marriage, it doesn't mean that you can apply for a marriage certificate from the government. Likewise, if your government supports gay marriage, it doesn't mean your religion has to recognize it.

Debate over.

[*Steven*]

Hello Kryo.

[fameONE]

Hello friends, I'm back, for today at least.

You don't need to create a new religion to have a gay marriage. The United Church of Christ supports Gay Marriage.

The thing is, there are two types of marriage: marriage in the church and marriage in the state. The government deals with government in the state, the church deals with government in the church. Two separate things. So if your church allows gay marriage, it doesn't mean that you can apply for a marriage certificate from the government. Likewise, if your government supports gay marriage, it doesn't mean your religion has to recognize it.

Debate over.

You still didn't conjure up a scheme to have gay marriage honored by the government universally.

Debate re-opened.

[*Steven*]

Stephen Colbert had a gay lobbyist on his show 2 days ago. The lobbyist mentioned that the "Don't Ask Don't Tell" wasn't working. Colbert followed up w/ a , "Well, I haven't been asking, but you're sure as hell telling!"

I don't recall ever asking either ^.^ Not to say I have an issue w/ gays or gay marriage or any of that who hah, just saw it as a valid point.

BTW, the sultans play creole.

[kryogenix]

You still didn't conjure up a scheme to have gay marriage honored by the government universally.

Debate re-opened.

Who says I'd want that Just addressing the issue in the OP.

[Spirited Away]

Hello friends, I'm back, for today at least.

You don't need to create a new religion to have a gay marriage. The United Church of Christ supports Gay Marriage.

The thing is, there are two types of marriage: marriage in the church and marriage in the state. The government deals with government in the state, the church deals with government in the church. Two separate things. So if your church allows gay marriage, it doesn't mean that you can apply for a marriage certificate from the government. Likewise, if your government supports gay marriage, it doesn't mean your religion has to recognize it.

Debate over.

Yea, okay. Good one.