Is homosexuality determined at birth, or is it a choice? Options

[ernestprongs]

Theories?


If this has already been mentioned, delete, thank you.

[*Steven*]

I've never seen it, and if it has been mentioned it's kinda old, so this post is fine.

I'm not quite sure when homosexuality is deterimed. I know the government lists it as a mental disorder, and the churches sure as hell don't think it's normal, but I don't think it makes someone sick, or weird, or anything like that. I think it's a personal choice, and for those institutions that aren't very accepting of gays, just don't go around letting people know, easy as that. They generally go w/ the don't ask don't tell thing anyhow.

[Amaranthus]

I'm not quite sure, actually. I don't know if it's a personal choice, seeing as though most people can't help what they're attracted. But I don't think it's determined by birth in the fact that someone'sDestined! for homosexuality.

What's most likely is that liking someone of the same gender is completely natural for them, and for some reason others of a different orientation think they're diabolical or something. Kind of absurd if you ask me.

[*Uronacid*]

I think that it's a mental retardation. I pity homosexuals because they cannot reproduce. Well, they can reproduce, but I mean. They can't enjoy tits or vaginas the same way straight people can. It's just unfortunate. How can someone choose such a horrible fate. They must be born with it. It's the only way. I take gays into my arms like sick children and say, "It's ok, I love you. The world just doesn't understand."

I kiss their foreheads, and hold them close. They are the the children I never had. They are the forgotten ones. The ones who were cast aside for the way they were born. The ones that need the most love. The ones who will lead a life of persecution. In some ways they are more like Christ (the persecution part) than any of us.

[jesusisthebestth...]

i dont find homosexuality to be a choice nor do i believe it is determined at birth, i do however find it to be a learned behavior.

[omgomgKATHY]

I think that it's a mental retardation. I pity homosexuals because they cannot reproduce. Well, they can reproduce, but I mean. They can't enjoy tits or vaginas the same way straight people can. It's just unfortunate. How can someone choose such a horrible fate. They must be born with it. It's the only way. I take gays into my arms like sick children and say, "It's ok, I love you. The world just doesn't understand."

I kiss their foreheads, and hold them close. They are the the children I never had. They are the forgotten ones. The ones who were cast aside for the way they were born. The ones that need the most love. The ones who will lead a life of persecution. In some ways they are more like Christ (the persecution part) than any of us.

that's...uhh...something.

[sheridan_whitesi...]

It's determined by a great number of factors, hormones, genes, and environment. It's probably sensitive to initial development conditions and it's impossible to predict. Small irregularities pile up exponentially so it acts in a random way. Now, most of these perturbations don't result in homosexuality, but with some probability, it happens. That, that's chaos theory.

[demolished]

I dont believe in homosexuality. to me, they are just struggling through mental phrase reguardless of how they are okay or not okay with their orientation. I'm not closeminded. this is what i believe since homosexuality has been going on through many centuries.

And, i'm not against anyone who considered themselves homosexuals. honestly, i dont care about your orientation. whatever float my boats.

[omgomgKATHY]

^whatever floats their boat?

[*Uronacid*]

Guys, haven't you ever felt the slightest urge to shove a pole up your ass. I mean, I get that sensation all the time. I just don't tell anyone because I'm embarrassed. *blush*

You see, Gay people are super heroes. They are a group of people willing to admit to this. Not many people have the kind of balls that it takes to openly come out and say, "I'M A POLE SITTER!", or, "I FUCK MEN!" No, most people will turn their head in secret shame while mumbling, "We're just friends...", when in reality they want to be so much more than that.... lovers.... fuckers... sex... symbiotic masturbation.... fisting.... anus penetration.... H3's....

The truth is, if you're gay there is a homo-gland in your anus. if it's not there then you're probably just a sick bastard. It's called gland R574. You don't hear about this gland often. It was found by members of a Catholic Church campaign against homosexuality. They were out to prove that homosexuality wasn't caused by genes. What they found was shocking. The gland actually produced hormones that forced men to feel for other men. This is why the Catholic Church now requires you go through a cavity search before becoming a priest. They cannot afford another "touching of the little boys" incident.

Dan Brown (Author of the "Davinci Code") was going to include this in his book, but decided not to after repeated death threats from a Catholic Church clergy. So much for free speech.

[ReggieM]

rofl uronacid ur a funny guy.

[Kontroll]

It's nothing more than a sexual preference. It's the same with people who like to have sex with children. Some guys like skinny girls, some like 'em fat. Same difference. Nothing more.

[*Uronacid*]

It's nothing more than a sexual preference. It's the same with people who like to have sex with children. Some guys like skinny girls, some like 'em fat. Same difference. Nothing more.

I love them, I can't believe you would compare Homosexuals to Pedophiles. I'm going to have my army of young homosexuals rip out their G571's and squeeze the juice into a glass. We will force you to drink it. In it's raw form it is a very strong mind altering substance, Prostantious Extraction. Then you will see the light.

[Tung]

I don't know. but people here on cB thinks im gay =[ . i'm not gay, i think, or am i ;D

[cyb3r0ptik]

to everybody that thinks that gay men=anal sex...
wrong...

85% of homosexual men do NOT engage in anal sex. giving or receiving.
and not all of that 85% are actual givers of oral sex either, just receivers.

Homosexuality is not natural? Much like eyeglasses, polyester, and birth control are not natural.
Obviously gay parents will raise gay children because straight parents only raise straight children.
Children can never succeed without both male and female role models at home. That's why single parents are forbidden to raise children.


off the subject, sorry.

there have been studies that have shown, not PROVEN, but shown that the stress and the hormones that a mother produces while pregnant can have a predetermined orientation on the child. too much testosterone for a female, too much estrogen for a male, etc.

i find it hard to believe that people can think it's a choice to be gay. like it's a choice to be outed by more than a good 75% of society. to worry and fear about if somebody is going to tie you up and beat you and leave you for death out in a field because of who you happen to be attracted to.
it's hard to believe that people can choose to be gay, and hated by their parents, their friends. where they choose to sometimes lead a double lifestyle because they're afraid of people finding out they're gay.

[*Uronacid*]

to everybody that thinks that gay men=anal sex...
wrong...

85% of homosexual men do NOT engage in anal sex. giving or receiving.
and not all of that 85% are actual givers of oral sex either, just receivers.

Homosexuality is not natural? Much like eyeglasses, polyester, and birth control are not natural.
Obviously gay parents will raise gay children because straight parents only raise straight children.
Children can never succeed without both male and female role models at home. That's why single parents are forbidden to raise children.
off the subject, sorry.

there have been studies that have shown, not PROVEN, but shown that the stress and the hormones that a mother produces while pregnant can have a predetermined orientation on the child. too much testosterone for a female, too much estrogen for a male, etc.

i find it hard to believe that people can think it's a choice to be gay. like it's a choice to be outed by more than a good 75% of society. to worry and fear about if somebody is going to tie you up and beat you and leave you for death out in a field because of who you happen to be attracted to.
it's hard to believe that people can choose to be gay, and hated by their parents, their friends. where they choose to sometimes lead a double lifestyle because they're afraid of people finding out they're gay.

Oh my goodness, if you say there are tests then show us the tests. If you don't have the proof then you're just another idiot quoting someone, who quoted someone else, who quoted someone else, who quoted someone else who may have made it up.

[*Michelle*]

Why specifically at birth?

Most of us, "homo" or "hetero", do not realize our sexual attractions until later in life.

[cyb3r0ptik]

Oh my goodness, if you say there are tests then show us the tests. If you don't have the proof then you're just another idiot quoting someone, who quoted someone else, who quoted someone else, who quoted someone else who may have made it up.

well... first there's this... possible nsfw due to written words
not proof, but definitely the opinion of plenty of people
Clicky
click on *see results*

aaaaaaaaaand there's this possible NSFW due to written words
Clicky


As i mentioned in my first post on this subject, it's not PROOF, but there have been studies.

Now you've seen a poll on do all gay men have anal sex (more than half answered have said no)
and a study.

Doesn't mean the study is PROOF... just means it's been administered.
Like I previously stated. Twice now.

Thnx.

[kimmytree]

I think it's both. I think some people can be born with certain traits... but then again I think they can be influenced by their surroundings. So I guess some people are born gay, and some just choose to be.

[*Sandraaa*]

Homosexuality to me is a choice and is also determined. I think there are people who chose to be gay just because the lifestyle suits them. Then again, I think there are those who've been attracted to the same sex all their lives ... well not literally but still.

I'm blabbing. Yeah.

[pinacoolada]

I think that it's a mental retardation. I pity homosexuals because they cannot reproduce. Well, they can reproduce, but I mean. They can't enjoy tits or vaginas the same way straight people can. It's just unfortunate. How can someone choose such a horrible fate. They must be born with it. It's the only way. I take gays into my arms like sick children and say, "It's ok, I love you. The world just doesn't understand."

I kiss their foreheads, and hold them close. They are the the children I never had. They are the forgotten ones. The ones who were cast aside for the way they were born. The ones that need the most love. The ones who will lead a life of persecution. In some ways they are more like Christ (the persecution part) than any of us.

You seriously have problems.
But that was funny...in a weird way.

[madgamer]

I think its learn behavior of how you were raise when you grew up like how girls plays with barbies and how guys play with power rangers are whatever. Your parents shaped you the way you are. Or it can be in your genes, an experiment shown that a rats injected with testerone end up to be more hornier.

[xKatt]

I think that it's a mental retardation. I pity homosexuals because they cannot reproduce. Well, they can reproduce, but I mean. They can't enjoy tits or vaginas the same way straight people can. It's just unfortunate. How can someone choose such a horrible fate. They must be born with it. It's the only way. I take gays into my arms like sick children and say, "It's ok, I love you. The world just doesn't understand."

I kiss their foreheads, and hold them close. They are the the children I never had. They are the forgotten ones. The ones who were cast aside for the way they were born. The ones that need the most love. The ones who will lead a life of persecution. In some ways they are more like Christ (the persecution part) than any of us.

Wow. I don't even know what to say about this post, ahah. It's just bizarre and wrong on so many levels.

[Joss-eh-lime]

its a choice.
a lifestyle
no one was born that way.

[*Uronacid*]

If I were to post seriously:

I would have to say it's got something to do with the society you're brought up in. Society is becoming more and more accepting of homosexuals, and as society slowly begins to decide that homosexuality is "normal" (in quotes due to the fact that normal is relative to the individual) you will see more and more homosexuals sprout up.

There is was obviously a shortage of homosexuals 30 years ago compared to the number of homosexuals sprouting out of the woodwork today. One could make the argument "They never had a chance to sprout up because everyone was hating on them", but at the same time "If they didn't have a choice then why didn't you hear about them revolting against society the way they do today 30 years ago?"

Another thing, homosexuality is determined at birth then why aren't homosexuals a dieing breed? People have been on the earth for thousands of years... possibly millions (if you believe in evolution). Natural selection is a reality in both points of view. If homosexuality is a gene or birth anomaly (to refrain from saying defect) then why is homosexuality increasing in popularity instead of decreasing in popularity.

As a homosexual, you're obviously not reproducing. It doesn't make any sense. Think about it, an entire tier of humanity that doesn't reproduce is increasing in size? Get f**king real, that goes against the laws of nature. This lifestyle would have disappeared ages ago if homosexuality was determined at birth.

[demolished]

^
who cares. we'll use nano tech to use a homo sperms and female eggs.

kiddin.

you do make a point about future humanity.

[kimmytree]

As a homosexual, you're obviously not reproducing. It doesn't make any sense. Think about it, an entire tier of humanity that doesn't reproduce is increasing in size? Get f**king real, that goes against the laws of nature. This lifestyle would have disappeared ages ago if homosexuality was determined at birth.

But how is that any different from being born with any other defect? The number of homosexuals is increasing, just like our total population is. I really dont get your point.

[*Sandraaa*]

^ I didn't get that either. Josh, please elaborate.

[*Uronacid*]

Ok, just think, for thousands of years people have had this "gene". These people with the gay gene inside them would slowly disappear. Less of their kids would have kids, less of their kids would have kids, and so on and do forth. Eventually the gene would become so watered down that it would only pop up in some rare cases or cease to exist, because GENES HAVE TO BE PASSED ON.

If this gay gene causes you to be attracted to people of the same sex, you're obviously going to be far less likely to reproduce. Gay people can't have biological kids with each other and tis' emotionally upsetting to see your partner make love to someone else, that's why they adopt. If Gay people aren't passing their genes on, eventually that gay gene will simply become a rare case or cease to exist because it can't be passed on due to the fact that you can't preform gay sex to have children.

This gay thing is far to rampant to be considered a birth defect or a gene. It's growing. More and more people are accepting homosexuality every single day. Society is becoming more accepting of the homosexual lifestyle, and the homosexual population is growing... see the connection. It's the setting you grow up in, the people who raise you, the children in school, the teachers you have, the media, etc... whatever it is, the more accepting society becomes of homosexuality, the more homosexuals are popping up and out of the wood work.

It's like the world is smacking you people in the face with a big giant sign that says:

YOU FCKING IDIOTS, WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO LEARN THAT WHEN SOCIETY ACCEPTS A CERTAIN TYPE OF BEHAVIOR PEOPLE ARE GOING TO MIMIC THAT BEHAVIOR! PEOPLE WANT TO BE ACCEPTED!

And you aren't reading it...

[*Steven*]

^That and the whole thing where until recently people hated gays, and in many times and places, gays were treated like shit, and even killed. That would kinda kill the chances of a gay gene spreading too.

[*Uronacid*]

^That and the whole thing where until recently people hated gays, and in many times and places, gays were treated like shit, and even killed. That would kinda kill the chances of a gay gene spreading too.

OMG FOR REAL!

[kimmytree]

Ok, just think, for thousands of years people have had this "gene". These people with the gay gene inside them would slowly disappear. Less of their kids would have kids, less of their kids would have kids, and so on and do forth. Eventually the gene would become so watered down that it would only pop up in some rare cases or cease to exist, because GENES HAVE TO BE PASSED ON.

If this gay gene causes you to be attracted to people of the same sex, you're obviously going to be far less likely to reproduce. Gay people can't have biological kids with each other and tis' emotionally upsetting to see your partner make love to someone else, that's why they adopt. If Gay people aren't passing their genes on, eventually that gay gene will simply become a rare case or cease to exist because it can't be passed on due to the fact that you can't preform gay sex to have children.

This gay thing is far to rampant to be considered a birth defect or a gene. It's growing. More and more people are accepting homosexuality every single day. Society is becoming more accepting of the homosexual lifestyle, and the homosexual population is growing... see the connection. It's the setting you grow up in, the people who raise you, the children in school, the teachers you have, the media, etc... whatever it is, the more accepting society becomes of homosexuality, the more homosexuals are popping up and out of the wood work.

It's like the world is smacking you people in the face with a big giant sign that says:

YOU FCKING IDIOTS, WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO LEARN THAT WHEN SOCIETY ACCEPTS A CERTAIN TYPE OF BEHAVIOR PEOPLE ARE GOING TO MIMIC THAT BEHAVIOR! PEOPLE WANT TO BE ACCEPTED!

And you aren't reading it...

Omfg, are you retarded?
Who says its a gene that's passed on? I think its more of a mutation, or something that goes wrong. It's no different than being mentally retarded, or having any other kind of mental problem. And who says the percentage of gays in the population is rising? They're just more accepted now. 50 years ago alot of people would hide their homosexuality, and get married. They'd *try* to live straight, just because being gay wasnt acceptable.

[*Steven*]

So gays are mutants and have a problem? Not just a different preference? Nurture > Nature sometimes.

[*Michelle*]

Ok, just think, for thousands of years people have had this "gene". These people with the gay gene inside them would slowly disappear. Less of their kids would have kids, less of their kids would have kids, and so on and do forth. Eventually the gene would become so watered down that it would only pop up in some rare cases or cease to exist, because GENES HAVE TO BE PASSED ON.

If this gay gene causes you to be attracted to people of the same sex, you're obviously going to be far less likely to reproduce. Gay people can't have biological kids with each other and tis' emotionally upsetting to see your partner make love to someone else, that's why they adopt. If Gay people aren't passing their genes on, eventually that gay gene will simply become a rare case or cease to exist because it can't be passed on due to the fact that you can't preform gay sex to have children.

This gay thing is far to rampant to be considered a birth defect or a gene. It's growing. More and more people are accepting homosexuality every single day. Society is becoming more accepting of the homosexual lifestyle, and the homosexual population is growing... see the connection. It's the setting you grow up in, the people who raise you, the children in school, the teachers you have, the media, etc... whatever it is, the more accepting society becomes of homosexuality, the more homosexuals are popping up and out of the wood work.

It's like the world is smacking you people in the face with a big giant sign that says:

YOU FCKING IDIOTS, WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO LEARN THAT WHEN SOCIETY ACCEPTS A CERTAIN TYPE OF BEHAVIOR PEOPLE ARE GOING TO MIMIC THAT BEHAVIOR! PEOPLE WANT TO BE ACCEPTED!

And you aren't reading it...

Oh, you mean kind of like on cB, how being a troll is super cool and admirable?

I completely understand, then.

[Dreamers]

I agree with one person on a point they said "Enviorment might influence it too."

My parents think gays should be shot n everything, yet I, after being around a bunch of bi's, gays, and 'bi-curious' people, have leaned AWAY from the fact homosexuality is wrong, and have come to accept it. Now, whether I'M bi is yet to be decided, but each day it's getting more and more etched into my mind that being bi, gay, lesbian, etc. is fine.

Sure, we need straight people or we'll die out, but love comes in all shapes and forms and so do people. Environment, teachings, PERHAPS genes, personal choice... It's a mixture of things IMO.

[*Uronacid*]

Oh, you mean kind of like on cB, how being a troll is super cool and admirable?

I completely understand, then.

Michelle, I'm going to have to ask you to stick to the subject. Either that you're you need to go sit in the time out chair. Maybe put your head down on your desk. Yeah, sit in "time out" and put your head down. If your feedback was constructive then you would have said something to this effect:

Guys, Josh is a Troll. He's only trying to get you started. It's true. Sometimes he will even inflame you by stating falsified information. You see, just sits in his office chair while working from his cubicle and posts things just to get under your skin while he has nothing to do for his own entertainment. You see, the only trouble is that without people like him to provide drama on this site... createblog will become a boring place.

You're comments weren't appreciated. I think you should go hate yourself. I was rejected when I was nice to the community. I guess I just enjoy being mean. ;]

[*Podomaht*]

Omfg, are you retarded?
Who says its a gene that's passed on? I think its more of a mutation, or something that goes wrong. It's no different than being mentally retarded, or having any other kind of mental problem. And who says the percentage of gays in the population is rising? They're just more accepted now. 50 years ago alot of people would hide their homosexuality, and get married. They'd *try* to live straight, just because being gay wasnt acceptable.

you're a f**king idiot.

[*Michelle*]

Michelle, I'm going to have to ask you to stick to the subject. Either that you're you need to go sit in the time out chair. Maybe put your head down on your desk. Yeah, sit in "time out" and put your head down. If your feedback was constructive then you would have said something to this effect:

Guys, Josh is a Troll. He's only trying to get you started. It's true. Sometimes he will even inflame you by stating falsified information. You see, just sits in his office chair while working from his cubicle and posts things just to get under your skin while he has nothing to do for his own entertainment. You see, the only trouble is that without people like him to provide drama on this site... createblog will become a boring place.

You're comments weren't appreciated. I think you should go hate yourself. I was rejected when I was nice to the community. I guess I just enjoy being mean. ;]

Oh, boo hoo. People were completely bitches and dicks to me when I first joined cB. Why don't we all cry about the e-abuse we received and slit our wrists D':

The only person that gets under my skin is Steven. :]

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[VaeVictis]

I don't believe it's a choice at all.

People can't help who they are attracted to. It's like me (assuming you're straight) coming up to you and telling you to choose to like the same gender.

Oh, sure, I'm sure homosexual people could go out with people of the opposite gender if they wanted to hide their sexuality, but they wouldn't enjoy it, as I said above, it'd be just like a straight person going out with another man or woman.

Also, if homosexuality was a choice, why would people choose it? I have nothing against gays, but if I had a choice whether to be gay or straight, I'd choose being straight, as would most people, I think.

So obviously homosexuality cannot be a choice, because there are so many gay people in our community.

Also, I hear all the time about people who are extremely depressed when they discover they're gay.

Note the key word. Discover. They're not depressed when they CHOOSE to be gay, they're depressed when they discover they ARE gay.

Also, if it is a choice, why would these depressed people choose it? And if they were just curious, why, after realising that homosexuality is not for them, wouldn't they just change back into a heterosexual?

[LoveDanceSoul]

I think it could be both. Some guys that are now gay as well as women, experimented at one point in time and slowly fell into that lifestyle. Some homosexuals, on the otherhand, might be actually wired different when it comes to hormones. There are also some gay men that grew up without a father figure and are looking for love from a man. There are tons of different scenarios. Even though personally i dont agree with the lifestyle, I know not to judge them.

[*Uronacid*]

Oh, boo hoo. People were completely bitches and dicks to me when I first joined cB. Why don't we all cry about the e-abuse we received and slit our wrists D':

The only person that gets under my skin is Steven. :]

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Haha!! LMAO

[*Podomaht*]

Oh, boo hoo. People were completely bitches and dicks to me when I first joined cB. Why don't we all cry about the e-abuse we received and slit our wrists D':

The only person that gets under my skin is Steven. :]

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So how far have you two gone?

[Comptine]

Ok, just think, for thousands of years people have had this "gene". These people with the gay gene inside them would slowly disappear. Less of their kids would have kids, less of their kids would have kids, and so on and do forth. Eventually the gene would become so watered down that it would only pop up in some rare cases or cease to exist, because GENES HAVE TO BE PASSED ON.

If this gay gene causes you to be attracted to people of the same sex, you're obviously going to be far less likely to reproduce. Gay people can't have biological kids with each other and tis' emotionally upsetting to see your partner make love to someone else, that's why they adopt. If Gay people aren't passing their genes on, eventually that gay gene will simply become a rare case or cease to exist because it can't be passed on due to the fact that you can't preform gay sex to have children.

This gay thing is far to rampant to be considered a birth defect or a gene. It's growing. More and more people are accepting homosexuality every single day. Society is becoming more accepting of the homosexual lifestyle, and the homosexual population is growing... see the connection. It's the setting you grow up in, the people who raise you, the children in school, the teachers you have, the media, etc... whatever it is, the more accepting society becomes of homosexuality, the more homosexuals are popping up and out of the wood work.

It's like the world is smacking you people in the face with a big giant sign that says:

YOU FCKING IDIOTS, WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO LEARN THAT WHEN SOCIETY ACCEPTS A CERTAIN TYPE OF BEHAVIOR PEOPLE ARE GOING TO MIMIC THAT BEHAVIOR! PEOPLE WANT TO BE ACCEPTED!

And you aren't reading it...

Yes, people watch TV and see that society is becoming more accepting of homosexuality and go, "Maybe, I'll be homosexual now cause it's easy or because it's the newest fad." Homosexuality is still the minority, it's still the outcast of society. People still discriminate against them.

All of us have genes that aren't necessarily ON. For example, we all have genes that help us with communication and human language. In some people, the gene somehow, inexplicably, turn off. So all of us may have a gene that determines sexual preferences and whether it's ON or OFF can change the orientation.

And so what if more people are coming out? Before they had to hide it from prejudical assholes like you. But now, they feel like they can be themselves.

Unless you're getting it up the butt from one of them, stop spewing your homophobic and racist rants.

[*Michelle*]

So how far have you two gone?

Podo, that is personal information that, only if Steven AND I both willingly agree to share, I will discuss with you via PM.

Thanks!

[DarkImpressions]

I would say determined at birth.

[NoSex]

Ok, just think, for thousands of years people have had this "gene". These people with the gay gene inside them would slowly disappear. Less of their kids would have kids, less of their kids would have kids, and so on and do forth. Eventually the gene would become so watered down that it would only pop up in some rare cases or cease to exist, because GENES HAVE TO BE PASSED ON.

If this gay gene causes you to be attracted to people of the same sex, you're obviously going to be far less likely to reproduce. Gay people can't have biological kids with each other and tis' emotionally upsetting to see your partner make love to someone else, that's why they adopt. If Gay people aren't passing their genes on, eventually that gay gene will simply become a rare case or cease to exist because it can't be passed on due to the fact that you can't preform gay sex to have children.

This gay thing is far to rampant to be considered a birth defect or a gene. It's growing. More and more people are accepting homosexuality every single day. Society is becoming more accepting of the homosexual lifestyle, and the homosexual population is growing... see the connection. It's the setting you grow up in, the people who raise you, the children in school, the teachers you have, the media, etc... whatever it is, the more accepting society becomes of homosexuality, the more homosexuals are popping up and out of the wood work.

It's like the world is smacking you people in the face with a big giant sign that says:

YOU FCKING IDIOTS, WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO LEARN THAT WHEN SOCIETY ACCEPTS A CERTAIN TYPE OF BEHAVIOR PEOPLE ARE GOING TO MIMIC THAT BEHAVIOR! PEOPLE WANT TO BE ACCEPTED!

And you aren't reading it...

Wow, you don't know f**k about genetics.
Moron.

Secondly, your interpretation of data sucks.

[*Uronacid*]

Wow, you don't know f**k about genetics.
Moron.

Secondly, your interpretation of data sucks.

Wow, stop talking out your ass. You just shot out two statements with nothing to back them up but your integrity (which is quite low at the moment).

Also, why do you like the Blare Witch Project? It only lowers your integrity even more. People will disregard your opinions because they see how much of a slut you are for that heap of trash that morons like to call a movie. Aside from being a movie with horrible lighting, effects, sound, and story line. A couple of meddling kids running through a forest on a cold winters night with a crazy woman that kills people and hangs stick men from trees... LAME.

The Blare Witch Project was a garbage movie that did nothing accept make way for, what very well may be, the worst sequel in history. The only movie placed in theaters that was on par with "Son of the Mask" and "Cat Woman", "The Blare Witch Project 2". I personally enjoyed "The Bare Wench Project" much more than The Blare Witch.

I think you should should fire up your VCR and watch Gladiator until your head explodes. The awe created from the awesomeness of that movie will resonate your tiny skull until it appears to spontaneously combust (It will only appear to spontaneously combust because others won't know that it wasn't spontaneous). This movie is so much better than a grade -Z movie with a plot about as exciting as a frozen jimmy dean.

You would really like that show Ghost Hunters. The plot is very similar, the camera is just as shitty, there are just as many ghosts, but the sound is better and the subjects are plumbers. These hilarious plumbers will dazzle you with catchphrases like, "Dude, Run!", or, "When in doubt, Get out!", as they go from plunging toilets by day to hunting ghosts in state penitentiaries by night. It's like a healthy mix between The Super Mario Brothers, Ghost Busters, and (ugh... sucks) The Blare Witch Project.

Suck a Fuck Nate. ;]

[NoSex]

Wow, stop talking out your ass. You just shot out two statements with nothing to back them up but your integrity (which is quite low at the moment).

Also, why do you like the Blare Witch Project? It only lowers your integrity even more. People will disregard your opinions because they see how much of a slut you are for that heap of trash that morons like to call a movie. Aside from being a movie with horrible lighting, effects, sound, and story line. A couple of meddling kids running through a forest on a cold winters night with a crazy woman that kills people and hangs stick men from trees... LAME.

The Blare Witch Project was a garbage movie that did nothing accept make way for, what very well may be, the worst sequel in history. The only movie placed in theaters that was on par with "Son of the Mask" and "Cat Woman", "The Blare Witch Project 2". I personally enjoyed "The Bare Wench Project" much more than The Blare Witch.

I think you should should fire up your VCR and watch Gladiator until your head explodes. The awe created from the awesomeness of that movie will resonate your tiny skull until it appears to spontaneously combust (It will only appear to spontaneously combust because others won't know that it wasn't spontaneous). This movie is so much better than a grade -Z movie with a plot about as exciting as a frozen jimmy dean.

You would really like that show Ghost Hunters. The plot is very similar, the camera is just as shitty, there are just as many ghosts, but the sound is better and the subjects are plumbers. These hilarious plumbers will dazzle you with catchphrases like, "Dude, Run!", or, "When in doubt, Get out!", as they go from plunging toilets by day to hunting ghosts in state penitentiaries by night. It's like a healthy mix between The Super Mario Brothers, Ghost Busters, and (ugh... sucks) The Blare Witch Project.

Suck a Fuck Nate. ;]

You like Gladiator.

[*Uronacid*]

You like Gladiator.

And you like the Bare Wench Project.

[Kontroll]

I don't understand why everyone is still talking about this. You're all a bunch of kids. Do you think a topic on cB is going to determine whether f*gs are determined from birth or choice. Are you scientists? No. Not even close.

Leave it up to them. They're working on it. So, just shut your damn mouths and sit back and not worry about it.

[*Uronacid*]

I don't understand why everyone is still talking about this. You're all a bunch of kids. Do you think a topic on cB is going to determine whether f*gs are determined from birth or choice. Are you scientists? No. Not even close.

Leave it up to them. They're working on it. So, just shut your damn mouths and sit back and not worry about it.

Go fuck yourself, we want to argue.

[EmoEyelinerx]

I think that it would be a choice or in some cases, a learned behavor.

[*Uronacid*]

I think that it would be a choice or in some cases, a learned behavor.

But you aren't debating... why do you think that?

[MissFits]

It's determined in the womb.

There are gay animals, and gay bugs.

If it happens naturally in mother nature, what is stopping it from happening naturally in humans?

It is DISGUSTING how some people can look at it like an illness, and that is the main problem with organized religion.
I hate close minded people.

[*Uronacid*]

It's determined in the womb.

There are gay animals, and gay bugs.

If it happens naturally in mother nature, what is stopping it from happening naturally in humans?

It is DISGUSTING how some people can look at it like an illness, and that is the main problem with organized religion.
I hate close minded people.

Gay bugs?

I think it's a mental problem. My pastor told me it was a sin. He told me to open my mind to the idea of gay people not being born gay. He told me to let the idea of homosexuality being a choice enter into my open mind. He told me this while he was showing homosexual deeds to me so I could know which ones are sins.

He said that even Satan hates homosexuals. He said that Satan's number was 666 and not 44. He says that Satan turns the up the thermostat in hell when he sees a gay. This is why I burn gay bugs with a magnifying glass. I believe him. I think that he is a very nice man.

He said that my body is a temple unto the Lord. He said, "Would God want a Penis inside the back door of his temple?" This makes sense to me because I wouldn't want a giant penis in the back door of my house. Why would God want a giant penis in his back-door? I want to be more like God. I would probably beat it out that penis with a newspaper, just like a dirty stray dog. I would say, "No! Get out!"

I think that he has opened my mind, and you are a liar. You are feeding the world with lies. Bugs don't have penis. How can you tell a bug sexual orientation. If you open your mind you will know this.

You should be a gay for saying this. Jesus is in your heart. You just have to look around at nature. Just look at all the trees. You will believe.

[jammylise]

I think it could be both.
At birth and by choice.

because someone could be born liking the same sex but later not really be into it i guess

[MissFits]

Gay bugs?

I think it's a mental problem. My pastor told me it was a sin. He told me to open my mind to the idea of gay people not being born gay. He told me to let the idea of homosexuality being a choice enter into my open mind. He told me this while he was showing homosexual deeds to me so I could know which ones are sins.

He said that even Satan hates homosexuals. He said that Satan's number was 666 and not 44. He says that Satan turns the up the thermostat in hell when he sees a gay. This is why I burn gay bugs with a magnifying glass. I believe him. I think that he is a very nice man.

He said that my body is a temple unto the Lord. He said, "Would God want a Penis inside the back door of his temple?" This makes sense to me because I wouldn't want a giant penis in the back door of my house. Why would God want a giant penis in his back-door? I want to be more like God. I would probably beat it out that penis with a newspaper, just like a dirty stray dog. I would say, "No! Get out!"

I think that he has opened my mind, and you are a liar. You are feeding the world with lies. Bugs don't have penis. How can you tell a bug sexual orientation. If you open your mind you will know this.

You should be a gay for saying this. Jesus is in your heart. You just have to look around at nature. Just look at all the trees. You will believe.

I would like it to be known that he wrote me a message telling me he replied, because this was so important I had to read it.


How dare you call me a liar. Just because you're priest showed you some gay porn to "open your mind" to Jesus doesn't mean it's true!
Have you ever seen Jesus, or seen god, or seen someone be sent to hell for being gay. NO YOU HAVEN'T. I have seen gay dogs, and gay monkeys with my own f*cking eyes.

People like you that try to force your religion on people are sick. That is a learned behavior and it is disgusting. America is the land of the free, and just because Christians don't believe in gay marriage doesn't mean it's wrong. Not everyone in America is a Christian, so not everyone should have to follow Christian principals. That's why most people come to America, to free themselves from religious persecution, only to receive it here. It's sick and wrong, and we as Americans need to realize this.

Now, for the truth. Your priest is a sick, sick man. He showed you gay acts to show you what was wrong? That's wrong. That will mess up anyone if shoved down their throat long enough. (no pun intended )

I am not offended by anything you say to me. Saying I "should be a gay" is just dumb. You need to arm yourself with more than what your mighty priest tells you before you try to tell me how it is.

If you believe in God so much, and want to be like him QUIT BASHING PEOPLE FOR THE WAY THEY LIVE THEIR LIVES. If you are right, God will come and teach all us "sinners" a lesson himself. SO LET HIM DO IT! If he is as powerful as they teach you he doesn't need some young dumb-@ss sticking up for him.

[cyb3r0ptik]

I would like it to be known that he wrote me a message telling me he replied, because this was so important I had to read it.
How dare you call me a liar. Just because you're priest showed you some gay porn to "open your mind" to Jesus doesn't mean it's true!
Have you ever seen Jesus, or seen god, or seen someone be sent to hell for being gay. NO YOU HAVEN'T. I have seen gay dogs, and gay monkeys with my own f*cking eyes.

People like you that try to force your religion on people are sick. That is a learned behavior and it is disgusting. America is the land of the free, and just because Christians don't believe in gay marriage doesn't mean it's wrong. Not everyone in America is a Christian, so not everyone should have to follow Christian principals. That's why most people come to America, to free themselves from religious persecution, only to receive it here. It's sick and wrong, and we as Americans need to realize this.

Now, for the truth. Your priest is a sick, sick man. He showed you gay acts to show you what was wrong? That's wrong. That will mess up anyone if shoved down their throat long enough. (no pun intended )

I am not offended by anything you say to me. Saying I "should be a gay" is just dumb. You need to arm yourself with more than what your mighty priest tells you before you try to tell me how it is.

If you believe in God so much, and want to be like him QUIT BASHING PEOPLE FOR THE WAY THEY LIVE THEIR LIVES. If you are right, God will come and teach all us "sinners" a lesson himself. SO LET HIM DO IT! If he is as powerful as they teach you he doesn't need some young dumb-@ss sticking up for him.

Shazam!

Win.

[brooklyneast05]

I would like it to be known that he wrote me a message telling me he replied, because this was so important I had to read it.

ha yea, that's kinda lame
kinda like..
the rest of ur post

How dare you call me a liar. Just because you're priest showed you some gay porn to "open your mind" to Jesus doesn't mean it's true!
Have you ever seen Jesus, or seen god, or seen someone be sent to hell for being gay. NO YOU HAVEN'T. I have seen gay dogs, and gay monkeys with my own f*cking eyes.

People like you that try to force your religion on people are sick. That is a learned behavior and it is disgusting. America is the land of the free, and just because Christians don't believe in gay marriage doesn't mean it's wrong. Not everyone in America is a Christian, so not everyone should have to follow Christian principals. That's why most people come to America, to free themselves from religious persecution, only to receive it here. It's sick and wrong, and we as Americans need to realize this.

Now, for the truth. Your priest is a sick, sick man. He showed you gay acts to show you what was wrong? That's wrong. That will mess up anyone if shoved down their throat long enough. (no pun intended )

I am not offended by anything you say to me. Saying I "should be a gay" is just dumb. You need to arm yourself with more than what your mighty priest tells you before you try to tell me how it is.

If you believe in God so much, and want to be like him QUIT BASHING PEOPLE FOR THE WAY THEY LIVE THEIR LIVES. If you are right, God will come and teach all us "sinners" a lesson himself. SO LET HIM DO IT! If he is as powerful as they teach you he doesn't need some young dumb-@ss sticking up for him.

i mean this is just dandy and all but i don't see how u can read uronacid's post and think he's being completely serious and get so offended, and yea bla bla bla u said "i am not offended by anything you say to me". yea well the length of ur post makes it seem otherwise

DOES NOBODY KNOW BULLSHIT WHEN THEY READ IT?

You need to arm yourself with more than what your mighty priest tells you before you try to tell me how it is.

this is SO right, he should have armed himself with a real defense on this matter, such as the sexuality of bugs


for the most part, i think it's a learned behavior.
and i don't understand a lot of people(not all) who "come out" and all the sudden act different, in a way that fits more into the gay stereotype of how gay people should act. that's extremely ridiculous to me, i don't see why a gay man would act all that much different than a straight man in normal day to day routines. i know gay guys who u wouldn't know they were gay...and that's how i think it should be. i'm not saying they should hide anything, i just don't think it needs to be thrown in everyones face that OMG THEY'RE GAY. if it's "not a big deal" then why the f**k act like it is. i think i'm off subject, but oh well, i think it's a learned behavior more than anything

[cyb3r0ptik]

ha yea, that's kinda lame
kinda like..
the rest of ur post
i mean this is just dandy and all but i don't see how u can read uronacid's post and think he's being completely serious and get so offended, and yea bla bla bla u said "i am not offended by anything you say to me". yea well the length of ur post makes it seem otherwise

DOES NOBODY KNOW BULLSHIT WHEN THEY READ IT?
this is SO right, he should have armed himself with a real defense on this matter, such as the sexuality of bugs
for the most part, i think it's a learned behavior.
and i don't understand a lot of people(not all) who "come out" and all the sudden act different, in a way that fits more into the gay stereotype of how gay people should act. that's extremely ridiculous to me, i don't see why a gay man would act all that much different than a straight man in normal day to day routines. i know gay guys who u wouldn't know they were gay...and that's how i think it should be. i'm not saying they should hide anything, i just don't think it needs to be thrown in everyones face that OMG THEY'RE GAY. if it's "not a big deal" then why the f**k act like it is. i think i'm off subject, but oh well, i think it's a learned behavior more than anything

being gay, not so much a choice.
acting out your gaydom... THATs the choice.

[brooklyneast05]

being gay, not so much a choice.
acting out your gaydom... THATs the choice.

very true
but when people choose to act out their "gaydom" it makes me feel it's more a learned behavior than anything
makes it seem like it's for attention and that it needs to be evident they are aren't straight

[cyb3r0ptik]

very true
but when people choose to act out their "gaydom" it makes me feel it's more a learned behavior than anything
makes it seem like it's for attention and that it needs to be evident they are aren't straight

so let me understand this...

a straight person, acting straight, and kissing on a member of the opposite sex, and being girly when they're a girl, and masculine when they're a guy is NOT learned behaviour...
a girl who preferrs to play sports and be "one of the guys" is NOT showing off learned behaviour, she's just a "tomboy"...
they aren't doing anything for attention, they're just expressing themselves in the way THEY like to express themselves.

but if a guy is attracted to the same sex, and expresses himself in a femanine way, it's a learned behaviour, or a way to get attention, because it's not the social norm?
just because he acts different?


well i guess all those kids who express themselves by their clothing style, or through painting, singing, or creative writing, or other means of expression are all products of "learned behaviour" and not doing something that just might come naturally to them.

or are expressivly gay people exempt from this, because of their sexual orientation?

[brooklyneast05]

so let me understand this...

a straight person, acting straight, and kissing on a member of the opposite sex, and being girly when they're a girl, and masculine when they're a guy is NOT learned behaviour...
a girl who preferrs to play sports and be "one of the guys" is NOT showing off learned behaviour, she's just a "tomboy"...
they aren't doing anything for attention, they're just expressing themselves in the way THEY like to express themselves.

but if a guy is attracted to the same sex, and expresses himself in a femanine way, it's a learned behaviour, or a way to get attention, because it's not the social norm?
just because he acts different?
well i guess all those kids who express themselves by their clothing style, or through painting, singing, or creative writing, or other means of expression are all products of "learned behaviour" and not doing something that just might come naturally to them.

or are expressivly gay people exempt from this, because of their sexual orientation?

did u read my post?
i specifically said people who "come out" and all the sudden act a different way that fits into the gay stereotype

i don't know what to say because i don't think we're even talking about the same thing

[cyb3r0ptik]

did u read my post?
i specifically said people who "come out" and all the sudden act a different way that fits into the gay stereotype

i don't know what to say because i don't think we're even talking about the same thing

when people come out, it's like a weight lifted off thier shoulders, and they feel that they can finally be who they are without feeling restricted.

-- yes i read your post, you just weren't specific to what you meant by . when they act out their gaydom, it makes you feel like it's a learned behaviour.
i took it as them being gay is a learned behaviour, and them acting who they are is a learned behaviour.--

[brooklyneast05]

i guess it's the feminine thing i don't get
i get that SOME guys are more feminine than others, but i don't get why so many gay guys are.
i don't get why the majority of gay guys wouldn't just act like the majority of straight guys in normal day to day conversations and what not

who knows
i don't get it
maybe someday ill understand

[MissFits]

i guess it's the feminine thing i don't get
i get that SOME guys are more feminine than others, but i don't get why so many gay guys are.
i don't get why the majority of gay guys wouldn't just act like the majority of straight guys in normal day to day conversations and what not

who knows
i don't get it
maybe someday ill understand

I would say it's half and half.
It might even be safe to say that MOST gay guys act like "normal" guys.

The ones you notice, are the ones that are flamboyant.
The ones that aren't flamboyant are overlooked, because they seem so "normal"

[cyb3r0ptik]

i guess it's the feminine thing i don't get
i get that SOME guys are more feminine than others, but i don't get why so many gay guys are.
i don't get why the majority of gay guys wouldn't just act like the majority of straight guys in normal day to day conversations and what not

who knows
i don't get it
maybe someday ill understand

because that's who they are.

plain and simple.

there's nothing more TO understand.

[*Uronacid*]

I would like it to be known that he wrote me a message telling me he replied, because this was so important I had to read it.
How dare you call me a liar. Just because you're priest showed you some gay porn to "open your mind" to Jesus doesn't mean it's true!
Have you ever seen Jesus, or seen god, or seen someone be sent to hell for being gay. NO YOU HAVEN'T. I have seen gay dogs, and gay monkeys with my own f*cking eyes.

People like you that try to force your religion on people are sick. That is a learned behavior and it is disgusting. America is the land of the free, and just because Christians don't believe in gay marriage doesn't mean it's wrong. Not everyone in America is a Christian, so not everyone should have to follow Christian principals. That's why most people come to America, to free themselves from religious persecution, only to receive it here. It's sick and wrong, and we as Americans need to realize this.

Now, for the truth. Your priest is a sick, sick man. He showed you gay acts to show you what was wrong? That's wrong. That will mess up anyone if shoved down their throat long enough. (no pun intended )

I am not offended by anything you say to me. Saying I "should be a gay" is just dumb. You need to arm yourself with more than what your mighty priest tells you before you try to tell me how it is.

If you believe in God so much, and want to be like him QUIT BASHING PEOPLE FOR THE WAY THEY LIVE THEIR LIVES. If you are right, God will come and teach all us "sinners" a lesson himself. SO LET HIM DO IT! If he is as powerful as they teach you he doesn't need some young dumb-@ss sticking up for him.

Jesus said that you will reap what you sow. Have you hear this? No, I do not think you have. You see the farmer was a man, and he was not gay. If Jesus was not gay then how can't homosexuality be a choice? Amen brother. You need to open your eye to truth of the Book. People will see you and your point of view. They say you are a dumb gay. Now, I try to be serious about things.

I try to love you as a brother in Christ, and you are persecuting me. You are persecuting me for all that has been done at calvary. My pastor has said that this will happen. You should repent of your sin. You are helping others goto burn in fire of hell. Do you want to burn.

Also, you are the one who is ignorant. I said Pastor, and I did not say priest. Learn your school. I goto very good school in Hong Kong, and I am very proud to be in America now. One thing I do not like about America is gay. Homosexual is very wrong here. People are waving rainbow, and rainbow is a sign that God would never flood the earth, but now gay is flooding America. This you cannot deny.

You are a liar. I do not bash people for gay. They are putting penis in back door of God's temple. I would not want Penis in my back door. What do you you say to that?

because that's who they are.

plain and simple.

there's nothing more TO understand.

You are evil. My pastor says you look like Satan, but not to fear. He says that you may have cancer from no eyebrow hair. Some say to pierce your skin is a sin. You're sinning. You are putting holes in the temple. What if someone put a hole in your house? You look like cow from Hong Kong. My mother is laughing. She says you are very Indian. This is a bad insult in my country. We say Indian are primitive. We do not value a primitive opinion.

[cyb3r0ptik]

Jesus said that you will reap what you sow. Have you hear this? No, I do not think you have. You see the farmer was a man, and he was not gay. If Jesus was not gay then how can't homosexuality be a choice? Amen brother. You need to open your eye to truth of the Book. People will see you and your point of view. They say you are a dumb gay. Now, I try to be serious about things.

I try to love you as a brother in Christ, and you are persecuting me. You are persecuting me for all that has been done at calvary. My pastor has said that this will happen. You should repent of your sin. You are helping others goto burn in fire of hell. Do you want to burn.

Also, you are the one who is ignorant. I said Pastor, and I did not say priest. Learn your school. I goto very good school in Hong Kong, and I am very proud to be in America now. One thing I do not like about America is gay. Homosexual is very wrong here. People are waving rainbow, and rainbow is a sign that God would never flood the earth, but now gay is flooding America. This you cannot deny.

You are a liar. I do not bash people for gay. They are putting penis in back door of God's temple. I would not want Penis in my back door. What do you you say to that?

and you need to learn that pushing religion on people, is not very religious.
Jesus also said "let he who is WITHOUT sin cast the first stone".

and since every human is born with "original sin", and in the eyes of the bible, everybody sins somehow, whether it be taking the lords name in vain, or getting a piercing, or whatever other random thing is condemned by the bible, you're with sin by persocuting somebody who is gay.

why? because you're judging them. you have no right to judge somebody on anything. only god does. so saying that gays are wrong because the bible says so, you're wrong because you're not God who can make the decision saying that they're wrong.

and.. as for this little gem..

You are evil. My pastor says you look like Satan, but not to fear. He says that you may have cancer from no eyebrow hair. Some say to pierce your skin is a sin. You're sinning. You are putting holes in the temple. What if someone put a hole in your house? You look like cow from Hong Kong. My mother is laughing. She says you are very Indian. This is a bad insult in my country. We say Indian are primitive. We do not value a primitive opinion.

Nice try, kid.
I am native indian. not eastern indian.
your christian beliefs killed my people, and yet i do not hold YOU accountable for that.
I am evil for sins far beyond shaving my eyebrows and piercing my face and tattooing my body.
my cancer will come from cigarette smoking, not from shaving my eyebrows.
if somebody put a hole in my house? they're called windows.

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

hi mom!!

i r satan.
i will eat your babies and rub tartar sauce on them for flavor.
mmmmmm.

try again. keep the topic on homosexuality.
not me, and my beliefs, and my own sins.

you're still being unchristianlike.

[Kontroll]

cyberdick, I agrees with the dark homo man. He raises good point, my people are not smart. We chew tobacco of the blue fox guide and smoke the peace pipe till we eat many doritos and twinkies under the harvest moons night. Then we send our men out for a spirit journey, where they learn the ways of the wampum and the white woman. The white woman is a devil temptress with her pink vaginal ways, but she teaches man how to be man of the Iroche tribe. We then go to kill buffalo's in a street full of the white demon, and drink until we gamble. Once we gamble money away to casino, we drink. We then drink. After that we drink. Then we smoke more of peace pipe. Then we drink again and rape until we can no rape more. We then kill white men, and drink, and rape, and gamble.

We no gay.

[cyb3r0ptik]

cyberdick, I agrees with the dark homo man. He raises good point, my people are not smart. We chew tobacco of the blue fox guide and smoke the peace pipe till we eat many doritos and twinkies under the harvest moons night. Then we send our men out for a spirit journey, where they learn the ways of the wampum and the white woman. The white woman is a devil temptress with her pink vaginal ways, but she teaches man how to be man of the Iroche tribe. We then go to kill buffalo's in a street full of the white demon, and drink until we gamble. Once we gamble money away to casino, we drink. We then drink. After that we drink. Then we smoke more of peace pipe. Then we drink again and rape until we can no rape more. We then kill white men, and drink, and rape, and gamble.

We no gay.

uhhhhhh...
aside from that whole thing seeming to be making fun of me, but just not making any sense at all....

i never said you were gay.

[*Uronacid*]

uhhhhhh...
aside from that whole thing seeming to be making fun of me, but just not making any sense at all....

i never said you were gay.

You implied it. This is offensive to me. I cannot believe that you did this. It is because you are not Christian, or it is because you are just a gay? How do you like this? Do you like being called gay. You are gay, and you will burn.

You believe in gravity, but can you see this? You believe in wind, but can you see this. You believe in space, but can you see this? You need faith. You need to see this you gay.

You do not understand. I am not sin. I do not have sin because I am from China. In China we do not believe this is sin.

[MissFits]

Jesus said that you will reap what you sow. Have you hear this? No, I do not think you have. You see the farmer was a man, and he was not gay. If Jesus was not gay then how can't homosexuality be a choice? Amen brother. You need to open your eye to truth of the Book. People will see you and your point of view. They say you are a dumb gay. Now, I try to be serious about things.

I try to love you as a brother in Christ, and you are persecuting me. You are persecuting me for all that has been done at calvary. My pastor has said that this will happen. You should repent of your sin. You are helping others goto burn in fire of hell. Do you want to burn.

Also, you are the one who is ignorant. I said Pastor, and I did not say priest. Learn your school. I goto very good school in Hong Kong, and I am very proud to be in America now. One thing I do not like about America is gay. Homosexual is very wrong here. People are waving rainbow, and rainbow is a sign that God would never flood the earth, but now gay is flooding America. This you cannot deny.

I went to church almost all of my life. I have read what the bible has to say, and I have heard priests use and abuse it to fit what they think is a Christian lifestyle. Homosexuality is not flooding America by any means. It's starting to become more socially acceptable to be gay and that, my friend, is a great thing.

As I said before, God is said to be a powerful man, so let him tell people how to live. If we are wrong he will exact his revenge on his own. I am sure he can do if he could make all of humanity.

I am left to wonder if you are kidding, or if their are really people in the world that are this ignorant.

[*Insurmountable*]

OMFG your ignorant at the fact that you really think hes serious..
Did you happen to miss this post?

ha yea, that's kinda lame
kinda like..
the rest of ur post
i mean this is just dandy and all but i don't see how u can read uronacid's post and think he's being completely serious and get so offended, and yea bla bla bla u said "i am not offended by anything you say to me". yea well the length of ur post makes it seem otherwise

DOES NOBODY KNOW BULLSHIT WHEN THEY READ IT?
this is SO right, he should have armed himself with a real defense on this matter, such as the sexuality of bugs
for the most part, i think it's a learned behavior.
and i don't understand a lot of people(not all) who "come out" and all the sudden act different, in a way that fits more into the gay stereotype of how gay people should act. that's extremely ridiculous to me, i don't see why a gay man would act all that much different than a straight man in normal day to day routines. i know gay guys who u wouldn't know they were gay...and that's how i think it should be. i'm not saying they should hide anything, i just don't think it needs to be thrown in everyones face that OMG THEY'RE GAY. if it's "not a big deal" then why the f**k act like it is. i think i'm off subject, but oh well, i think it's a learned behavior more than anything

Its a choice.
I don't see how the hell it can be determined at birth o_O *baby comes out of vagina in doctors hands* Oh here you go you have a new gay baby boy, congratulations.

[brooklyneast05]

*baby comes out of vagina in doctors hands* Oh here you go you have a new gay baby boy, congratulations.

lmao

[MissFits]

It can take years for things like food and drug allergies to manifest, so even though that's always been in your body it isn't always apparent. Same concept for gay people.

It's not a learned behavior. There are things that you might identify with, but it doesn't mean that they taught you to be gay.

[brooklyneast05]

It's not a learned behavior.

u state it like it's a fact

[Joss-eh-lime]

yeah, it's definitely a choice.
whether conscious or subconscious, its a choice to live a lifestyle that pretty much goes against nature.

[MissFits]

u state it like it's a fact

I believe this very strongly. I know it's not a learned behavior.

yeah, it's definitely a choice.
whether conscious or subconscious, its a choice to live a lifestyle that pretty much goes against nature.

How does that go against nature if animals do it?

[brooklyneast05]

I believe this very strongly. I know it's not a learned behavior.
How does that go against nature if animals do it?

how do u know it's not?

[MissFits]

Because it happens naturally in nature.

No matter how many gay people a dog is surrounded by, it will never learn to be gay. A dog, or a monkey, will be gay because they are wired that way. Some people are wired that same way.

[brooklyneast05]

we aren't dogs
we aren't talking about if homosexuality is a choice for dogs
we're talking about humans

what's normal for an animal isn't necessarily normal for a human, and they often do things for different reasons than humans. ever heard of male dogs mounting each other as a way of showing dominance? not necessarily for sexual pleasure. just because a dog performs a "homosexual act" doesn't mean that dog is gay, or that it prefers male dogs, because the same dog would probably do the same thing with a female. it's ridiculous to base ur opinion off what animals do, because sexual orientation in animals and sexual orientation in humans are completely different.

[MissFits]

But, you are saying it is a learned behavior. That's not possible if animals don't learn it. Even some pigs are gay, and they are the closest thing to humans in the animal world. Something like 3 or 4 chromosomes off.

Anyhoo. Scientist are starting to find that they can detect hormonal imbalances in the womb (I believe it was stated previously in this post). They are actually trying to cure being gay. They wouldn't be able to do that if it were a learned behavior.

[*Insurmountable*]

we aren't dogs
we aren't talking about if homosexuality is a choice for dogs
we're talking about humans

what's normal for an animal isn't necessarily normal for a human, and they often do things for different reasons than humans. ever heard of male dogs mounting each other as a way of showing dominance? not necessarily for sexual pleasure. just because a dog performs a "homosexual act" doesn't mean that dog is gay, or that it prefers male dogs, because the same dog would probably do the same thing with a female. it's ridiculous to base ur opinion off what animals do, because sexual orientation in animals and sexual orientation in humans are completely different.

omfg, thank you!


Personally I think its by the experiences you go through in life that kind of affect what orientation you are. I mean think about it.

A woman is raped by a guy she may have been closed to and once straight but after so a traumatic trauma she just doesn't want to be with men or trust them because something like that happened so she turns over to women because it seems like she can trust them more.

I'm no ignorant, but I can't possibly understand how the hell theres a gay gene.

[brooklyneast05]

But, you are saying it is a learned behavior. That's not possible if animals don't learn it. Even some pigs are gay, and they are the closest thing to humans in the animal world. Something like 3 or 4 chromosomes off.

Anyhoo. Scientist are starting to find that they can detect hormonal imbalances in the womb (I believe it was stated previously in this post). They are actually trying to cure being gay. They wouldn't be able to do that if it were a learned behavior.

^ so ur saying being gay is something that needs to be cured? it's a disease?


once again, just because an animal engages in a homosexual act doesn't mean that animal is gay. it doesn't go around looking for only same sex partners. i don't care what pigs do, WE AREN'T PIGS. pigs have completely different lifestyles than humans. don't u see a difference between homosexuality in animals and humans? are our chromosomes similar? yeah. is anything else in our lifestyle similar? no not really

I'm no ignorant, but I can't possibly understand how the hell theres a gay gene.

me eitherrrrrrrrr

[MissFits]

I am not saying that, scientist are saying that.

Don't kill the messenger, but being gay is not really accepted in America, so of course they want to "fix" all gay people.

[*Uronacid*]

OMFG your ignorant at the fact that you really think hes serious..
Did you happen to miss this post?
Its a choice.
I don't see how the hell it can be determined at birth o_O *baby comes out of vagina in doctors hands* Oh here you go you have a new gay baby boy, congratulations.

LMAO

I am not saying that, scientist are saying that.

Don't kill the messenger, but being gay is not really accepted in America, so of course they want to "fix" all gay people.

Alright, I'll stop acting Chinese, and tell you off. You are an ignorant bitch. Stop it already. Gay people should stop trying to press this "I'm born gay" issue, and just accept that they want to be gay. I personally could care less if you or anyone you know is a homosexual. In fact, I don't mind homosexuals at all. At the same time, when in Rome. You don't goto the crypts and tell them your a blood. You play along, and try your best to fit in so you don't get your ass kicked. The only point I'm trying to make in saying this is:

If your going to be some flamboyant homosexual with tight pants and a pink shirt then you should just accept the fact that society doesn't take well to people who are clearly standing out. Why do you think people hang together in groups? Because they have similar ideas, they compliment each other. A flamboyant homosexual with a bunch of jocks would just seem out of place because it is out of place. They aren't going to accept this queer kid with a lisp. It's not because he's gay, it's just because he's a fucking alien to them.

Jeez, if you gay people want to fit in and hang out and be accepted by everyone then don't act like women because you're not going to fit in. I say this is because it is the reason people are bring up this whole "determined at birth issue". They don't want to accept that they made the choice to be different. They just want to prove they were born this way so they blame it on something that's not their fault. If they do this, people will have to "accept" them or become "racist". Just fucking admit to wanting the dick whether it's subconscious or not.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program.

1.

My first point, The articles you're talking about clearly state that their research into homosexuality being a "birth defect" are no-where near complete or close to proving any theory anyone might have about sexual orientation being determined in the womb. The very last paragraph in the article even states this:

"There are plenty of gay men who are first-borns, many straight men with older brothers and many women whose fingers give no clue to their sexual orientation."

In this Breedlove (the doctor who did this research) practically says, "My research doesn't mean shit at this point so don't take it to seriously right now." He has no proof that sexual orientation is determined by the hormones.

Androgen (The hormone that he believes may be the cause of homosexuality.) causes abnormalities in finger growth among men and is exposed more and more to fetuses as the number of child births in a single womb increase. There is no accurate way to measure exactly how much of this hormone a fetus is exposed to. Therefore he uses there finger size and number of siblings from a womb to determine an estimate.

Essentially, The final paragraph says that he is no where near proving this theory even though he would like to think it's true and finds it very fascinating that it could be.

In conclusion to this point, just because research is being done doesn't mean that it's complete. Just because someone is testing a theory doesn't mean that that theory is true. Stop throwing it in our faces that research is being done. We know it's being done, and we're fairly certain that it's going to be a waste of time. Don't base your argument on this vague bit of research. Fuck your research you ignorant little girl.

2.

My second point, just because a few animals fuck doesn't mean that homosexuality is determined at birth. Have you seen a dog that only fucks male dogs? I highly doubt it. What makes you think it's not just a stupid horny animal that wants to have sex with another animal regardless of it's sex. Men do that in prison all the time. They just want to use their fuck sticks.

Also, I have yet to see a "gay" bug... Hold up... Wait, thank you google...

3.

Thirdly, I would like to know:
If you think homosexuality is determined in genes. How would this gene pass itself on if caused an individual to have no desire to reproduce?

[NoSex]

^ so ur saying being gay is something that needs to be cured? it's a disease?
once again, just because an animal engages in a homosexual act doesn't mean that animal is gay. it doesn't go around looking for only same sex partners. i don't care what pigs do, WE AREN'T PIGS. pigs have completely different lifestyles than humans. don't u see a difference between homosexuality in animals and humans? are our chromosomes similar? yeah. is anything else in our lifestyle similar? no not really
me eitherrrrrrrrr

Actually, it has been observed in the laboratory and in nature that hundreds and hundreds of different animal species exhibit exclusive homosexual preference. This is to say that animals do not merely exhibit homosexual behavior. Rather, there are animals who are exclusively attracted to the same sex, despite all other variables being reasonably considered. Homosexuality is a natural phenomena. Given our observations and our knowledge of neurological functions, animals do not have a choice in regards to their sexual orientation.

We are more like animals than not. f**k, we are animals. Insofar as all the science suggests, sexual orientation is not a choice.

[*Uronacid*]

Actually, it has been observed in the laboratory and in nature that hundreds and hundreds of different animal species exhibit exclusive homosexual preference. This is to say that animals do not merely exhibit homosexual behavior. Rather, there are animals who are exclusively attracted to the same sex, despite all other variables being reasonably considered. Homosexuality is a natural phenomena. Given our observations and our knowledge of neurological functions, animals do not have a choice in regards to their sexual orientation.

We are more like animals than not. f**k, we are animals. Insofar as all the science suggests, sexual orientation is not a choice.

Many of the animals they talk about are animals that choose a mate, stick with it, and move on after their homosexual relationships. They are only exclusive for periods of time. Either way, these animals aren't able to be watched and are also suspected to have intercourse with the opposite sex too. For you to say that animals partake in exclusive homosexual relationships as if they do it over the course of their entire life is withholding the actual truth.

http://books.google.com/books?id=w76at4mOW...igEZNg#PPA50,M1

[*CowerPointyObjects*]

I'm no ignorant, but I can't possibly understand how the hell theres a gay gene.

Okay, so you're just closed-minded, then.

Josh, I am revolted that you are still spewing your shit in this topic after all these months. I should report you for what you said to that girl a couple of posts ago, too. Not to mention your racist comments. Holy shit, now I'm actually going to report you because you never cease to be a nasty little bugger.

Gay people should stop trying to press this "I'm born gay" issue, and just accept that they want to be gay. I personally could care less if you or anyone you know is a homosexual. In fact, I don't mind homosexuals at all. At the same time, when in Rome. You don't goto the crypts and tell them your a blood. You play along, and try your best to fit in so you don't get your ass kicked. The only point I'm trying to make in saying this is:

If your going to be some flamboyant homosexual with tight pants and a pink shirt then you should just accept the fact that society doesn't take well to people who are clearly standing out. Why do you think people hang together in groups? Because they have similar ideas, they compliment each other. A flamboyant homosexual with a bunch of jocks would just seem out of place because it is out of place. They aren't going to accept this queer kid with a lisp. It's not because he's gay, it's just because he's a f**king alien to them.

Please, make a less rational point next time. In what universe does it make sense to say that being gay is a choice because flamboyant gays don't fit in with jocks? First off, not every football player in existence is a narrow minded jackass; some actually have gay friends. Secondly, are you trying to suggest that they're trying to get mainstream society to reject them? Because that's just silly. As far as I can tell from your indecipherable bullshit about the blood and crypts, you're disproving your own 'point.' People don't try not to fit in, so it must be natural for them not to. By saying, "you play along, and try your best to fit in so you don't get your ass kicked," you're suggesting that homosexuals would actually have to play along to seem straight, which would make it a natural thing and not a choice, because in what way does it make sense to suggest that someone should try really hard not to fit in as they simultaneously pretend they do? I cannot believe how dense you are.

[brooklyneast05]

Okay, so you're just closed-minded, then.

Josh, I am revolted that you are still spewing your shitin this topic after all these months.

aug 27th through sept 23rd = "all these months"

geez josh, so many months u've been spewing ur shit in this topic


i'm so f**king tired
ill be back in the morning with a good post on this topic perhaps
i still don't think it's "determined at birth"

[*CowerPointyObjects*]

Who are you?

And by 'all these months,' I obviously don't mean this literal thread. There used to be a similar one or something. One way or another, we've been down this road before. But yeah, same shit spewed.

[brooklyneast05]

Who are you?

And by 'all these months,' I obviously don't mean this literal thread. There used to be a similar one or something. One way or another, we've been down this road before. But yeah, same shit spewed.

oh i get what u mean now
i only thought that since u said "in this topic"

and im jc, why?
who are u

[*Sandraaa*]

Can we all try to be civil and stop resorting to insults? It's called DEBATE. We're bound to have different opinions. With this said, Josh, you've been verbally warned.

[*Uronacid*]

Okay, so you're just closed-minded, then.

Josh, I am revolted that you are still spewing your shit in this topic after all these months. I should report you for what you said to that girl a couple of posts ago, too. Not to mention your racist comments. Holy shit, now I'm actually going to report you because you never cease to be a nasty little bugger.
Please, make a less rational point next time. In what universe does it make sense to say that being gay is a choice because flamboyant gays don't fit in with jocks? First off, not every football player in existence is a narrow minded jackass; some actually have gay friends. Secondly, are you trying to suggest that they're trying to get mainstream society to reject them? Because that's just silly. As far as I can tell from your indecipherable bullshit about the blood and crypts, you're disproving your own 'point.' People don't try not to fit in, so it must be natural for them not to. By saying, "you play along, and try your best to fit in so you don't get your ass kicked," you're suggesting that homosexuals would actually have to play along to seem straight, which would make it a natural thing and not a choice, because in what way does it make sense to suggest that someone should try really hard not to fit in as they simultaneously pretend they do? I cannot believe how dense you are.

So, you reported me for my opinion in a debate. Wow, you're 18 years old. Are you still in the "I'm gonna' tell the teacher on you!" phase? When are you going to learn that I don't give a fuck. Hey, while you're out there telling on me for my "ignorant" opinion why don't you go fuck yourself with a tampon. Tell them I said you're a cunt too. Oh, and would you like some cheese with that whine? xD

Also, I'm sorry it was so confusing for you. I was merely saying that if you're going to be a flamboyant gay then the chances of not being accepted are likely to be very high because barely anyone relate to your lifestyle.

I guess I feel like a large percentage of these flamboyant gays who aren't "accepted" want to blame it on genes or birth so they can place the fault of not being accepted on something other than themselves. I think that these "extreme" homosexuals should just accept the fact that many people aren't going to accept them because they are so blatantly different. I'll admit, the bloods and the crypts were extreme, but meh... I like extreme.

I'll try to be less extreme for your sake, sense you don't seem to understand. I'm sure the people who weren't going out of their way to tear my post to shreds would have understood it.

I'm sorry, a flamboyant gay probably wouldn't get accepted by Jocks. Not all Jocks are the same. I agree, but in general you aren't accepted by groups you cannot relate to (this includes myself).

I apologize for being such a narrow minded idiot. I'll tip toe around every bush I see from now on. Try not to put words in my mouth next time. You should probably stop shoving that stick up your ass. I've heard that if you shove it up to far, internal bleeding may occur. That may not be your period blood when your taking a shit. On the other hand and based upon the majority of your posts, you may just be on an eternal menstrual phase. Either way, you should definitely consult a doctor. ;]

I am revolted... no I'm not. I'm just laughing at you for being so upset. Oh, before you tell me you aren't upset and that you don't care, I guess I assumed you were upset because you took the time to sit there and tell me how insanely revolted you were.

Your favorite black homosexual,

Josh ????

oh i get what u mean now
i only thought that since u said "in this topic"

and im jc, why?
who are u

She is Menstruation. Find it in the dictionary, you'll see her face even though it's not in her profile. Watch out, she'll tear your bloody head off.

I am menstruation. No one rules the mencese like me; not this fuck, none of you little fucks out there. I AM THE CATAMENIA COMMANDER! When it comes down to takin' care of business, here's what I do. I grab it...then I put on my nose like this...and im like, "OH youz little fuck..."

^Click the tiny purple arrow to see where she wrote it.

Can we all try to be civil and stop resorting to insults? It's called DEBATE. We're bound to have different opinions. With this said, Josh, you've been verbally warned.

I was only playin... xD

[*Steven*]

Cower if you're going to report a post for being misguided and using mean words, you should probably make sure that you take out all your cussing and insults as well, because that just makes you look foolish.

[*Sandraaa*]

Steven, I fail to see where Cower used insults.

[*Steven*]

My bad, but if you're that offended by what he's saying, yet you still mention that he's "spewing shit" multiple times, w/e imo.

[*Sandraaa*]

I verbally warned him for the bitch comment not his opinion. I can warn someone for their opinions ...

[*Steven*]

I'm not talking about you sandra.