cB, Lenient or Strict? Options

[*steve330*]

Just came up out of curiosity. If you could have behavior changed in cB, would you want it to be stricter enforcement regarding bashing/fun(imo), or have it be more lenient. I'd post w/e but that might sugar coat the choices :)

Or would you rather it stay the same?

edit: Don't have to post your opinion either, anonymity ftw :)


My view of strict/lenient.

Strict : Crack down more on member bashing, keeping threads more to the point and less off topic.

Lenient : Allow deviation from the topic as long as it doesn't completely abandon the topic or resort to people fighting and only fighting with no regard to the topic. Allow people to voice their opinion (no matter how rude or mean).

Also, feel free to post your view on leniency/strictness.

[iDecay]

I don't even know what goes on here anymore. It's quite confusing, actually. From an outsider point of view, it's become a bit too lenient now.

[*SinfullySweet*]

Recently? The mods have been very lenient.

[*steve330*]

K added my views of lenient/strict for clarification

I'm not saying they haven't :) I'm just putting the poll up out of curiosity. :)

I see where you're coming from Thomas, but I think its more fun when things are a little more lenient. CBC, for instance, can not be moderated lol, and I have a jolly ol' time in there.

[*steve330*]

Create Blog Chat (AIM Chatroom where people chat away, including Staff, without worry about what they say and have a jolly ol' time :) )

[chibichi15]

I would say people could voice their opinions...but bashing would be out of line...so...same?? Any stricter and people get upset. Any more lenient and people will get offended with opinions. But that's just me.

[iDecay]

Too bad CBC people are actually COOL.

In CBC, people don't take everything too seriously and can take sarcasm. Some people aren't capable of doing that here.

[dustbunny]

wow, i just made it a three way tie o_O

[1angel3]

I voted same but I say a little bit of both because situation that goes on Cb don't have to be so strict on or so lenient. But when it comes to bashing we really need to be stricter on that.

HOW COME MY CB CHAT DON'T WORK?

[*steve330*]

Ohh. =\ I've never seen the CBC being moderated. But it's up to the user if they want to be bashed there since it's like the subdivision of cB community.

Because you can't moderate CBC. It's AIM, not cB. They have 0 power there. People speak their mind, are sarcastic, play games, make fun of people (in fun), discuss life, discuss how Suzzette likes guy's with 10" penises, etc etc.

[Simba]

Because you can't moderate CBC. It's AIM, not cB.

Heh, it was actually "moderated" at one point. But that's a whole 'nother story. =P

[*steve330*]

Yeah but the more exposure to the room you have, the more used to it you get, the more welcome you are. I was so awkward feeling my first time there, but now I come and people practically worship me I'm so clever and just that damn cool ;)

In all seriousness, it's kind of like cB. The people who are here, more active, more known, have a larger reputation, get listened to more than new members. It's not that people do it on purpose, just how things happen.

Usually when I go to the CBC it's the same people, like Tina, she's always there. But even you can see the problem if the the community forums were treated to the equivalent of CBC.

By no means am I suggesting that it should be as anarchic as CBC :) Also CBC has dull moments, and fun moments. When there are a bunch of people, it tends to move much quicker and is more fun/passes time when you're bored :)
CBC > SANDBOX :D But that's just imho.

[*steve330*]

I'm just alluding to CBC, not saying that's how things have to be! Jesus Suzzette, dare I tell your Canadian friend you want to hang out?

[*steve330*]

Please don't spam ;) Oh shit I'm being sarcastically strict :(

[iDecay]

I like how I'm used as an example of a CBC regular. We are fun people. Yo, prove Suzzette's "pussy theory" correct! I'm lonelyyyy.

[*steve330*]

But if I go into CBC I'll get sucked in and do less work than I am now :(

[Simba]

"cBC is a helluva drug." -- Rick James

[*Elba*]

I like the leniency. It's fun.

[*steve330*]

^Yeah, like a couple nights ago :)

I mean, that was very wrong of you.

[*Elba*]

I know. Shame on me. Shame on you. Shame on all of us

[*steve330*]

But especially shame on Spencer!

[*Elba*]

Yeah, he started it.

[*steve330*]

Su "10 inch" zzette, is that over the counter or prescription?

[YaGurlSukedMe2SL...]

discuss how Suzzette likes guy's with 10" penises, etc etc.

Yeah you forgot to say 10" Chodes.

Heh, it was actually "moderated" at one point. But that's a whole 'nother story. =P

Lol Frickin Josh, foo banned me, least I wasn't a soccer ball like Mel and Steph though.

[*kryogenix*]

I wouldn't say lenient or strict, though I voted strict anyway. The mod staff is just incompetent in general. They'll crack down on shit that doesn't need moderation, then they will let stuff that actually does need to be removed through, and then claim that since they did that, it balances out. Two wrongs don't make a right, Einsteins.

[moninja]

If people want a way to "voice their opinion (no matter how rude or mean)." Maybe we should create a "Non-anonymous Shoutouts" topic

that just leads to bashing, and stuff...

i don't know.

[*mzkandi*]

Don't we have a direct shoutouts thread in the sandbox.....

[*steve330*]

^As in the report/ban things? Or wha?

[*kryogenix*]

Some people like transparency so that people can't be two faced liars behind people's backs.

[*SayBloodyMary*]

cB started to go downhill the second Jusun used the word 'leniency' out loud.

It's not that either CONCEPT is flawed, particularly, it is just that when people think they know what they are getting, they blame everything that goes wrong on the status quo.

cB doesn't need to be one way or the other, and the most helpful thing would be if people certainly sopped using, and ideally stopped thinking in, those terms

[xKatt]

Whoops I accidentally put "strict" because I thought the question was "What is cB?"

[brooklyneast05]

Whoops I accidentally put "strict" because I thought the question was "What is cB?"

good one!

[*kryogenix*]

cB started to go downhill the second Jusun used the word 'leniency' out loud.

It's not that either CONCEPT is flawed, particularly, it is just that when people think they know what they are getting, they blame everything that goes wrong on the status quo.

cB doesn't need to be one way or the other, and the most helpful thing would be if people certainly sopped using, and ideally stopped thinking in, those terms

See, we agree. The mod should be judged as incompetent or competent. And clearly, they're incompetent.

[*Mercy*]

Whoops I accidentally put "strict" because I thought the question was "What is cB?"

Wow arent you the cheeky one..

Anyway..
It would be nicer experience if everyone wasnt beating each other up over being "cB's Next forum troll".

Its lame really.

[*Sandraaa*]

I actually like the way cB is right now.

[xKatt]

I'm annoyed with all the kids on this site that can't seem to see the fine line between funny and annoying.

There's people that are funny because they say things that make sense like Steve and James (sometimes).

And then there's the dickheads that just go about their day insulting everyone and no one is laughing except for them.

I think mods are strict when they crack down on the former.

[*SayBloodyMary*]

See, we agree. The mod should be judged as incompetent or competent. And clearly, they're incompetent.

I don't think I've ever particularly disagreed with you about that. I just think you've gone about it in a way which isn't cndusive to getting the results you want. I also don't quite understand why you consitantly refer to the staff as if we were one entity.

[chibichi15]

I also don't quite understand why you consitantly refer to the staff as if we were one entity.

Maybe because it's easy to think that the staff moderates in one way instead of thinking there are different opinions and views between you guys.

[PINKLollyPOP]

i think they are fine except about member bashing. they are great about taking care of the spammer and such. but take care of those who bash. it's sad that people have nothing better to do than make fun of others. but in my opinion, the only reason they are mean is to cover up their own insecurities!

[EmoEyelinerx]

I think that cB is doing a pretty good job at stopping spammers but member bashing on the other hand..that needs to be stopped. Its pretty said that some people have to make fun of others just to have fun.

[*kryogenix*]

I don't think I've ever particularly disagreed with you about that. I just think you've gone about it in a way which isn't cndusive to getting the results you want. I also don't quite understand why you consitantly refer to the staff as if we were one entity.

You are a team. You guys lose together. Divided you fall. The staff always assumes they are right, even when the staff has had a history of being wrong to punish me time and time again. I don't think I've seen anyone on the staff say "now wait just a minute, let's not rush into judgment since we've been owned like a billion times already."

[*SayBloodyMary*]

So, we lose together, and fall if we're divided? I'll take the hard place, please.

The reason why I tend to assume I'm right has nothing to do with the fact that I happen to be on staff. It's because I think I'm right. Simple as that. The 'staff team' hasn't wronged you; you yourself have made individual complaints about Kaycee and Suzzette (off the top of my head), and based on this collection have made vague assertation that the staff as a whole is incompetant as a unit.

And, to be honest, I don't really think you've 'owned' anything. You've been in the right, and in the wrong, as have individual members of staff. Yes, there are those who have perhaps rushed to judgement. But the reason why you don't see anyone say 'let's not rush to judgement' is because it isn't the kind of think one says out loud. And, because the staff is comprised of individuals, those who rush in tend to get there first, ahead of more thought out posts, and this makes the situation much harder to resolve, because like you said, 'divided we fall.' The ideal would be to have mods sit around and discss everything before one person presents a clear position, without other people jumping in here and there with side thoughts.

However, this takes time, and it isn't easy to do when one has calls that members are being 'ignored,' or that there is a giant conspiracy, and so forth.

[*steve330*]

I think there will always be the staff member that simply assumes they're in the right and views consultation as silly and a waste of time, though. Ideally people would make sure others agreed and make sure it wasn't just a personal feeling or bias against the individual, but *shrug*

Ideally, communism would work too, but then you have to take into effect human nature, which fux0rs it over.

[*SayBloodyMary*]

I don't think it is so much a question of viewing consultation as a waste of time in and of itself, but rather that there is an advantage in replying as quickly as possible, if you know what I mean. So it gets overlooked, rather than directly devalued.

[*steve330*]

Yeah I understand that, but I also think that assumptions that one is doing the right thing plays into it big time as well, especially when there's no one online to consult.

[moninja]

I'm annoyed with all the kids on this site that can't seem to see the fine line between funny and annoying.

aren't you a kid too?

[iDecay]

I like to think of myself as a young woman.

[*steve330*]

A gross young woman imo

[brooklyneast05]

aren't you a kid too?

wondered the same thing myself

[*SayBloodyMary*]

Yeah I understand that, but I also think that assumptions that one is doing the right thing plays into it big time as well, especially when there's no one online to consult.

Well yea. But that kind of goes without saying, because when does anyone, mod, member, or psycho killer clown ever act under the assumption that what they are doing is the WRONG thing?

aren't you a kid too?

I don't think that was anywhere close to being the point...

[*steve330*]

Well yea. But that kind of goes without saying, because when does anyone, mod, member, or psycho killer clown ever act under the assumption that what they are doing is the WRONG thing?

Personal Biases/Irrational Judgment

[iDecay]

Shut up, Steven. You know you love it.

I don't think that was anywhere close to being the point...

I think what she meant was that she doesn't have the right to call them 'kids' if she is one.

[*SayBloodyMary*]

^ Oh. Well that's fairly inane then, isn't it.

Well, that's only true if they consider that they HOLD a personal bias, or that their judgement is irrational.

[*steve330*]

True, but it isn't unnatural to hold those feelings against belligerent individuals, I consider it pretty human. I guess ya gotta just push those feelings to the side when deciding what best fits the situation.

[iDecay]

^ It's hard to do that with such stubborn people.

There goes James making me have to look up words in the dictionary again.

[*SayBloodyMary*]

True, but it isn't unnatural to hold those feelings against belligerent individuals, I consider it pretty human. I guess ya gotta just push those feelings to the side when deciding what best fits the situation.

Well obviously it's natural, but given that everyone does it, it ought to more or less cancel itself out in our minds...

[*steve330*]

What do you mean? I got confused on the cancel out part

[Rachel]

If people want a way to "voice their opinion (no matter how rude or mean)." Maybe we should create a "Non-anonymous Shoutouts" topic

We tried that, and it was shut down for people's feelings getting hurt.

[*steve330*]

E-feelings imo.

[Rachel]

E-rep!

[*steve330*]

And of course, e-thugs.

[*Mercy*]

E-feelings imo.

No one likes to hear that they suck online or in person..lol

[*SayBloodyMary*]

What do you mean? I got confused on the cancel out part

I just meant that because we know that everyone acts on the assumption that they are doing the right thing, and that that may result in rashness, there is not point in applying that theory to individuals, because it is equally true of everyone else.

[*steve330*]

I just meant that because we know that everyone acts on the assumption that they are doing the right thing, and that that may result in rashness, there is not point in applying that theory to individuals, because it is equally true of everyone else.

I don't necessarily agree with that. While I see where you're coming from, I think there will always be people that thing things through rationally and not emotionally before passing judgment regarding punishment/consequences. But as to the vast majority, I see your point as valid.

[*superstitious*]

I don't necessarily agree with that. While I see where you're coming from, I think there will always be people that thing things through rationally and not emotionally before passing judgment regarding punishment/consequences. But as to the vast majority, I see your point as valid.

I am going to agree with Steve somewhat. I do not believe that everyone has this perpetual knee-jerk reaction to things. Sometimes it happens - you hit the panic button, you have to rush off and do something so you want to take care of it quickly or you simply make an error. It does happen. So while a judgement may or may not be the best one, or the right one, that doesn't mean that there should always be an insta-gavel approach to moderating.

[*steve330*]

Damn poll made me think you posted something new :(

[*Elba*]

Don't you just hate that... haha.

[*steve330*]

I know right, it's like woot something new to read, and possibly argue with! Oh wait, someone just voted and didn't respond :(

[*steve330*]

I know wtf it's been even the whole time. I think someone's going and making accounts just to vote to keep it even.

[*superstitious*]

could be 666...

[*davinci*]

Lenient : Allow deviation from the topic as long as it doesn't completely abandon the topic or resort to people fighting and only fighting with no regard to the topic. Allow people to voice their opinion (no matter how rude or mean).

That is pretty much what has been happening recently.

So I don't understand comments such as 'omg the mods are such nazis and uptight assholes. they need to be less lenient and not have sticks up their asses.' (Not directed at you.) WHAT THE HELL DO YOU MEAN BY LENIENT? They are lenient. Be specific.

Anyway, I just broke the tie.

[*steve330*]

Suzzette buys 2 foot bananas.

[*Elba*]

Bump

You guys are lame.

[*tripvertigo*]

It depends on each member that they deal with. They dont actually treat everyone equally. there's favoritism and there are also vendettas.

Personally I think the whole system is corrupt.

[*tripvertigo*]

The rules are initially enforced equally. When you disobey them over and over and over again and create a reputation for yourself, people have to look at you more closely and your punishments will get more severe.

If a member is spamming, I might warn them. After that they might get the picture.

But if a member constantly spams, and they have already been warned numerous times before--a warning isn't going to do it. They have earned a more severe punishment. Their posts will probably be set to be previewed by other moderators, or disabled.

You earn your own spot.

nah, i'm not convinced. sorry.