skateboarding is not a crime Options

[ReggieM]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH6AYVn2yw4


This was on go skateboarding day, luckily i didnt receive any of this treatment. But do u believe skateboarding is a crime and your opinion of the video.

[*karmakiller*]

Okay, well, I can't watch the video. But skateboarders have been taking crap for a really long time. I don't see the issue of why skateboarding isn't allowed. I think that as long as they are responsible (not jumping strollers or something) that it shouldn't be a huge issue. If they get hurt that should be their own problem and they shouldn't hold the city accountable. They could be doing much worse things.

[xKatt]

The video is remarkably biased. The skaters were breaking the law. Period. If you break the law, expect to be punished by the enforcers of the law.

And clearly it didn't show from the beginning. The cop most likely warned them numerous times before being forced to handcuff them. And did you not notice when the kids were trying to struggle from the policemens' grasp? How thick-headed do you have to be to do that? And then have the nerve to try and gain public sympathy through the internet? Or possibly to seem like cool rebels? Pathetic!!

Sorry, I'm firm believer in the law when it's reasonable and disallowing unruly kids from becoming public disturbances is perfectly reasonable to me.

As to why skating is illegal? It's a disruption! Do you know how annoying it is to be near roadkill from reckless skaters?

There are skate parks for a reason. Stay there and stop trying to be rebels.

[1angel3]

Skateboarding can be dangerous and many business don't allow skateboarder on their property because they don't want to be responsible if someone gets hurt. I guess thats why

[ReggieM]

yes, but there are thousands of other criminals doing much worse things than cops wasting time on skateboarders.

how many people would let anyone choke them for doing nothing?even a police officer. The girl didnt even do anything wrong she was just standing there!

[1angel3]

yes, but there are thousands of other criminals doing much worse things than cops wasting time on skateboarders.

how many people would let anyone choke them for doing nothing?even a police officer. The girl didnt even do anything wrong she was just standing there!

Ok maybe the cop was to harsh, he didn't have to treat them like they rob a bank or anything. But the kids know they wasn't allowed to skate their, yes he was to rough and I not really a fan of cops.

[xKatt]

yes, but there are thousands of other criminals doing much worse things than cops wasting time on skateboarders.

how many people would let anyone choke them for doing nothing?even a police officer. The girl didnt even do anything wrong she was just standing there!

There were no criminals there are the time. You can't use that justification (mainly because it's not a justification).

So next time you litter and a cop writes you a ticket, are you going to say "There are people murdering other people. Why don't you go after them and not me!? You're not doing your job right!"

The girl had a skateboard, so she was violating the law. Sure it wasn't necessary for him to put her in a headlock, but clearly she was trying to run away, so what else was he to do?

And running away from a cop is a big deal.

If you think this is police brutality, you haven't seen anything. This is just a bunch of spoiled teenagers who aren't used to being denied what they want.

Kids these days...

[*kryogenix*]

That girl is a retard. The cop is a bully. End of story.

[ReggieM]

The girl had a skateboard, so she was violating the law

having a skateboard is in no violation of any law.

i mean there not even teenagers yet havnt even hit puberty what cop has a right to choke a 13 yearold kids let alone a girl doing nothing.

They were breaking a city ordiance, not robbing a bank. This kind of force is completely unwarranted. Unless the kids had a gun pointed at the officer or took a swing, the cop was completely wrong in this situation.


Please edit rather than quadruple post next time. =P -- Arjuna

[1angel3]

^^ I agree

[ReggieM]

+0 skateboarding is not a crime am i right or am i right.

[*Mercy*]

Ive encountered some nuisance skateboarders,Plus you really shouldent be skating on public property like sidewalks and stairwells.Thats why they developed the concept of a skatepark with ramps and everything so the public wouldent be harrassed by this.

Though the cop was a bit of a bully so go figure.

[queen]

^ i agree. in this specific case, both were in the wrong. it was just a bad combination.

but in general, i think the law is pretty reasonable. it was put in place to keep pedestrians and drivers/passengers safe... i mean, as if the street wasn't crowded enough? i'm not hating on skaters though. i understand why they'd be upset, especially if they weren't harming anyone. but sometimes you just gotta understand why that law was put in place and accept it. unless you have a better idea o;

[ReggieM]

people dont skateboard on sidewalks they ride it there its just like a bike basically people just bias skateboarders because of the negative sterotypes.

the citys dont want to build more skateparks because its tax money.

[uninspiredfae]

people dont skateboard on sidewalks they ride it there its just like a bike basically people just bias skateboarders because of the negative sterotypes.

the citys dont want to build more skateparks because its tax money.

Are you kidding me? Are you speaking for all skateboarders out there? I personally had to kick out skateboarders on our PRIVATE PROPERTY at the YMCA because they were skating in behind of cars backing out of the parking lot, and in front of cars trying to park. I also got ran over by a skateboarder trying to do some stupid trick while jogging. Look, it's simple. You got cars, you got motocycles and bikes, you got skateboarders and then you have folks trying to walk. Cars aren't allowed to run into people and people aren't allowed to run in front of cars. With the same logic, cars aren't allowed to run over skateboarders but skateboarders shouldn't pop out of the blue and scare drivers to death.

At the Y, and many parking lots (such as the library, the mall...etc) there are old drivers (the ones that have slow reactions) and there are kids with permits driving their families. Seriously, crime or no crime, be smart and stay out of parking lots. Accidents happen.

If you want a skatepark.. PAY FOR IT.

[ReggieM]

i almost got hit by an motorized wheelchair while walking, why dont they just get of the street huh? and at the library to.
I walk fast so maybe i shouldnt be walking in the parking lot either.

[xKatt]

i almost got hit by an motorized wheelchair while walking, why dont they just get of the street huh? and at the library to.
I walk fast so maybe i shouldnt be walking in the parking lot either.

Oh wow you must think you've brought up a brilliant point here.

People in wheelchairs need wheelchairs. No one needs skateboards.

As for walking fast, I'm sure that when you walk, you're concentrating on where you're walking. And if you do bump into someone, it won't result in injury of any sort.

Skateboarders aren't watching where they're going. They're watching for the next thing they can grind on whether someone is in front of them or not. And generally, it's more difficult for skateboarders to stop or turn especially when they're moving fast.

It's a common courtesy to keep that out of public areas. And at least where I live there are plenty of skateparks. If not, you can go to your local Academy and purchase your own ramps and skate in your own private area.

[uninspiredfae]

i almost got hit by an motorized wheelchair while walking, why dont they just get of the street huh? and at the library to.
I walk fast so maybe i shouldnt be walking in the parking lot either.

Logic that suits a seven year-old. It's nice to be so young.

I suppose you ignored my observations that your skater friends would jump in front/back of vehicles many times their size? I haven't seen anyone stuck in a wheelchair attempt to do that yet.

If skaterboarders practice the same conscientous discipline, develope some common sense (for the sake of their safety and those around them), and follow the law they'd be no different than someone harmlessly riding a bike at the park. With that said, most skaters I've seen, and have the displeasure of meeting, lack both discipline and common sense (and courtesy). Thus, it follows that the law should limit their activities to designated areas.

Last but not least, SKATEBOARDING IS NOT A CRIME, IT'S A(N)MISHAP/ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN.

Have a nice day.

[sadolakced acid]

Skateboarding has always been part of the punk, anti-authority lifestyle, and as a result, the mere act of skateboarding is in itself seen as an act of defiance.

This can lead to harsher treatment of skateboarders, since cops view them as trouble makers.

Skateboarding is not inherently dangerous; bicycles, rollerblades, or even just feet can be equally dangerous (see parkour).

locally, we don't have much of a skateboarder problem. They stick to residential streets, and there are a few skateparks built. And while they will occasionally skate on the sidewalk of the local strip malls, i'm pretty most the ones who do so would crash into a wall first before knocking someone over, but i do understand not all skateboarders are that considerate.

However; i have one question for everyone hating skateboarders. In cities, bicycle messengers are often more dangerous than skateboarders, traveling at much faster speeds, weaving in and out of traffic and ignoring traffic rules. And yet bike messengers are allowed by cities, while skateboarders are eradicated.

[uninspiredfae]

Skateboarding has always been part of the punk, anti-authority lifestyle, and as a result, the mere act of skateboarding is in itself seen as an act of defiance.

This can lead to harsher treatment of skateboarders, since cops view them as trouble makers.

Skateboarding is not inherently dangerous; bicycles, rollerblades, or even just feet can be equally dangerous (see parkour).

locally, we don't have much of a skateboarder problem. They stick to residential streets, and there are a few skateparks built. And while they will occasionally skate on the sidewalk of the local strip malls, i'm pretty most the ones who do so would crash into a wall first before knocking someone over, but i do understand not all skateboarders are that considerate.

However; i have one question for everyone hating skateboarders. In cities, bicycle messengers are often more dangerous than skateboarders, traveling at much faster speeds, weaving in and out of traffic and ignoring traffic rules. And yet bike messengers are allowed by cities, while skateboarders are eradicated.

Again, skateboarders are not "inherent dangerous" and are as harmless as someone riding a bike if and only if they grow some common sense (among the other qualities I talked about). If only the ones that I had to kick out at the Y had the same consideration of crashing into the wall before they crashed into me... then I might have been a little more understanding. Unfortunately, not even a "I'm sorry" was uttered... just a laugh and he took off.

By saying that bike messengers are "allowed" I hope you're not saying that they are unrestricted, because the law does regulate their activity. Also, as a profession, their weaving in and out of traffic and ignoring traffic rules (though illegal because they do get fined) are insured. Accidents are unavoidable. For EVERYONE's safety, there is a "No Fault Law" that guarantees that everyone involved will be covered. Do skateboarders have the same safety guarantee? Or is my insurance going to cover the skateboarder when I hit him because he jumps in front/back of my vehicle? That is usually the case.

The Messenger Bike Manual states that those in this profession MUST OBEY TRAFFIC LAWS, or else they will be fined just as any other motorist who breaks the law =). There are designated bike messenger "where to ride" laws, and again, they will be fined if they don't follow the law. There are laws on "how to ride" even. A bike messenger's ticket works the same and cost the same as if they operate a car... etc.

Guess what? They're allowed, but they're restricted... and did I mention that it's a profession?

So.. why are skateboarders whining so much when all they do is get yelled at, get told to scram, and get a slap on the wrist when everyone else, gets it worse? Are they working when they make people's lives miserable? If they are, well, we'll just have to deal with it, and they would have to follow the law like the rest of us. If they are not, well... SCRAM!

[*Mercy*]

people dont skateboard on sidewalks they ride it there its just like a bike basically people just bias skateboarders because of the negative sterotypes.

the citys dont want to build more skateparks because its tax money.

Technically your not supposed to ride bikes on the sidewalk either.

[medic]

I cant stand this subject, if you own the property do what you want. If you don't GTFO. If you were to skateboard in the parking lot of Krogers and hit your head and you gain say a $200,000 dollar hospital bill for surgery, stay and transportation, guess who has to pay that bill? Krogers, its a god damn joke. If I ever catch a kid riding a skateboard in our driveway I will kill them, with everyone in the world sue happy, you have to cover your ass or you will wake up someday with NO money at all.

[tr1pp1n]

^ EXACTLY

even if the skater says he will not sue right, all of that goes right out the window when you have a nice fat medical bill at your door that insurance is refusing to cover.

[sadolakced acid]

skateboarding is banned by city ordinance many time.

bike messengers are only regulated.

see some disparity in treatment?

[uninspiredfae]

Disparity in insurance coverage, professional liability, fines... etc.

Disparity you say? Yea, I see some.



Hi Mr. Acid... we haven't butt heads in a while =). So, how you been? Aren't you going to Taiwan?

[ReggieM]

Skateboarders aren't watching where they're going. They're watching for the next thing they can grind on whether someone is in front of them or not. And generally, it's more difficult for skateboarders to stop or turn especially when they're moving fast.

not true at all its easy to stop unless u suck.i watch where im going, i dont try to grind everything i use it as transportation and im sure most other people do like the ones in college.

Last but not least, SKATEBOARDING IS NOT A CRIME, IT'S A(N)MISHAP/ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN.

so what is football or rugby then?


wtf who jumps in the back of vehicles that doesnt even make sense to me please explain.

i agree with s..acid thats all true

Again, skateboarders are not "inherent dangerous" and are as harmless as someone riding a bike if and only if they grow some common sense (among the other qualities I talked about). If only the ones that I had to kick out at the Y had the same consideration of crashing into the wall before they crashed into me... then I might have been a little more understanding. Unfortunately, not even a "I'm sorry" was uttered... just a laugh and he took off.

Genarilizin skateboarding on ones mans actions,SMART, maybe he was just a DICK, let alone riding a skateboard, that would be the first thing to come out my mouth.Hell i pick up my board when i go past the eldery. GTFO

Technically your not supposed to ride bikes on the sidewalk either.

exactofcking right they are only concerned with skaters, its KINDA(no flaming) LIKE/SIMILAR to a race issue.

I cant stand this subject, if you own the property do what you want. If you don't GTFO. If you were to skateboard in the parking lot of Krogers and hit your head and you gain say a $200,000 dollar hospital bill for surgery, stay and transportation, guess who has to pay that bill? Krogers, its a god damn joke. If I ever catch a kid riding a skateboard in our driveway I will kill them, with everyone in the world sue happy, you have to cover your ass or you will wake up someday with NO money at all.

ok if i own a store with stairs im tell all the people to GTFO so incase if they fall i wont get sued...People can sue for anything let them walk and fall cant they still sue?

[sadolakced acid]

yea, i am. i leave in about a week.

anyways; i am not aware that bicycles are required to have insurance.

Let's drop the bike messenger thing and go with just bikes. Anyone can ride a bicycle as dangerously as a bike messenger, and yet there would most certainly still be a disparity in treatment as compared with a skateboarder.

[WickedDreamer]

Although I definately believe those skatboarders should be punished because they were breaking the lay, the way the police officer handled the situation was inappropriate. Those kids could have been seriously hurt and I wouldn't be surprised if the two that were choked had muscles pulled in their neck.

True, they shouldn't have resisted the police officer... but being arrested for skateboarding? You get fined for running a red light, even if it's in a busy intersection... but you get arrested for skateboarding in a no skateboarding zone?

Okay, which is more likely to kill someone: a skateboard or a car.... hm.

I think their are faults on both sides, but maybe because I am a teen I am siding with the teens on this one.

[uninspiredfae]

not true at all its easy to stop unless u suck.i watch where im going, i dont try to grind everything i use it as transportation and im sure most other people do like the ones in college.
so what is football or rugby then?
wtf who jumps in the back of vehicles that doesnt even make sense to me please explain.

i agree with s..acid thats all true
Genarilizin skateboarding on ones mans actions,SMART, maybe he was just a DICK, let alone riding a skateboard, that would be the first thing to come out my mouth.Hell i pick up my board when i go past the eldery. GTFO
exactofcking right they are only concerned with skaters, its KINDA(no flaming) LIKE/SIMILAR to a race issue.
ok if i own a store with stairs im tell all the people to GTFO so incase if they fall i wont get sued...People can sue for anything let them walk and fall cant they still sue?

And you are the king of skateboarders and you speak for everyone and everyone who skateboard is a good skateboarder and no one sucks.. uh huh.

What about Rugby and Football? They're sports that are usually played in places where people don't have to tell them to GTFO. Do you see anyone complaining about them? What's there to complain about? Are they breaking any laws?

What did Mr. Acid say that you agree with?

Generalizing? Like you don't generalize when you think your skater friends are perfect angels who abide by the law? That logic is surely skewed, if not silly.

You think that people just pick on skateboarders because they're innocent and everyone's a jerk?

Everything is so simple in your world isn't it? From the way that you talked about suing people, I bet you've never even handled anything more than $10 because if you have, you wouldn't/shouldn't be able to talk like that. You probably never even gotten in car because you obviously don't worry about what goes on after an accident. You probably don't even understand the concept of insurance and liability. So because you don't know, I won't laugh at you for it. I'll just be patient.

[xKatt]

not true at all its easy to stop unless u suck.i watch where im going, i dont try to grind everything i use it as transportation and im sure most other people do like the ones in college.
so what is football or rugby then?
wtf who jumps in the back of vehicles that doesnt even make sense to me please explain.

1. If you're concerned about transportation, get a bike, learn to drive, take a bus, take a trolley, WALK. It's not imperative that you use a skateboard to get from point A to point B.

2. Football and rugby are sports... I think I missed the point of this argument.

3. If you really were such an amazing skater, you'd know the term called "skitching". It means grabbing on to the back of a vehicle in order to gain massive speed and most often turns into a bloody accident. It's really not uncommon.

[Simba]

3. If you really were such an amazing skater, you'd know the term called "skitching". It means grabbing on to the back of a vehicle in order to gain massive speed and most often turns into a bloody accident. It's really not uncommon.

Oh man... I did that one once. You bet I bailed when there was turn.

I don't recommend it.

[uninspiredfae]

There you have it. What is the term? Pwned? Yes, that's it.

Number three is an especially good point, Katt.

Seriously, it doesn't matter if the kid's on a skateboard or bike... doing that is... well... dangerous... and it proves that "recreations" like these must be regulated. A little discipline won't hurt.

I say "kid" but realize that I call people my age "kids", too.

[ReggieM]

And you are the king of skateboarders and you speak for everyone and everyone who skateboard is a good skateboarder and no one sucks.. uh huh.

no one sucks or are they dumb?You can say that about anything...

What about Rugby and Football? They're sports that are usually played in places where people don't have to tell them to GTFO. Do you see anyone complaining about them? What's there to complain about? Are they breaking any laws?

way to take it out of context, i was stating that they could hurt each other as easily as skateboarders could jumping off stairs.

Everything is so simple in your world isn't it? From the way that you talked about suing people, I bet you've never even handled anything more than $10 because if you have, you wouldn't/shouldn't be able to talk like that. You probably never even gotten in car because you obviously don't worry about what goes on after an accident. You probably don't even understand the concept of insurance and liability. So because you don't know, I won't laugh at you for it. I'll just be patient.

Havnt handled anything more than 10 dollars wtf are u talking about,i also have my license and drive everyday if ur trying to offend me please think of something that has to be true.I do understand insurance and liabilty...

1. If you're concerned about transportation, get a bike, learn to drive, take a bus, take a trolley, WALK. It's not imperative that you use a skateboard to get from point A to point B.

difference of a bike from a skateboard? bike proably being more dangerous and faster and more risky.Of course i dont have to take a skateboard but what happens if i wanna be eco friendly? i dont see how it not being imperative have to do with my topic at all.If i drive gas and college parking is horrendous. Why not look cool riding a skateboard from point a to b.

also skateboarding is a sport.argue.maybe in not this situation though.

oh yes i know what skitching is lol ty tony hawk games.And im sure people try that but thats just a responsibility issue.i have yet to see someone do that in my whole life besides me jokingly.anyone can abuse something by being stupid.

its like calling out the kids who jump of of houses,that isnt a valid point.

[uninspiredfae]

1. no one sucks or are they dumb?You can say that about anything...

2.way to take it out of context, i was stating that they could hurt each other as easily as skateboarders could jumping off stairs.

3. Havnt handled anything more than 10 dollars wtf are u talking about,i also have my license and drive everyday if ur trying to offend me please think of something that has to be true.I do understand insurance and liabilty...

4. difference of a bike from a skateboard? bike proably being more dangerous and faster and more risky.Of course i dont have to take a skateboard but what happens if i wanna be eco friendly? i dont see how it not being imperative have to do with my topic at all.If i drive gas and college parking is horrendous. Why not look cool riding a skateboard from point a to b.

5. also skateboarding is a sport.argue.maybe in not this situation though.

6. oh yes i know what skitching is lol ty tony hawk games.And im sure people try that but thats just a responsibility issue.i have yet to see someone do that in my whole life besides me jokingly.anyone can abuse something by being stupid.

its like calling out the kids who jump of of houses,that isnt a valid point.

1. What? You missed that point (like you have missed most points) entirely. Moving on.

2. And you missed the point, again. Let me spell out this one though because you tend to misunderstand a point and turn around and poke the person who poked it at you, but then they won't know what on earth you're saying. What we've been talking about isn't about kids getting hurt. Period. Let's get pass this silly "skateboarders get hurt just like everyone else can get hurt", because that isn't the main problem, it's just something supplemental.

The main problem is the breaking of laws, the disrespect of private property, and the abuse of public property. Are we in the clear now? Let me bold it again so we don't have to misunderstand each other again.

The main problem is the breaking of laws, the disrespect of private property, and the abuse of public property.

3. "Wtf" am I talking about? I'm talking about you not knowing anything that goes on when someone has an accident (the crashing into something kind, not the smelly kind). You don't know the concept of liability, or else you'd know who has that liability thrust upon them when an idiot decides to be an idiot on their property. Do you know what I'm talking about now?

4. And... you missed her point. Not surprising, but disappointing. I'll yield to her for spelling it out for you because it's not a point I brought up.

5. I do not doubt that skateboarding IS a sport, love. Even someone as old and reclusive as me (sarcasm) know of Tony Hawk. But you said so yourself, in this case, it's arguable if it's a sport. Even if someone can argue that it is a sport, one then has to ask if it's a "legal" sport.

6. Obviously, something's been abused (property)... or else we wouldn't be having this discussion.

By the by, I've seen videos of kids jumping off of houses. It is stupid, but if they're in their own houses, at least they're not doing something illegal and innocent property owners elsewhere don't have to be liable for their stupidity.

[xKatt]

1. no one sucks or are they dumb?You can say that about anything...

2.way to take it out of context, i was stating that they could hurt each other as easily as skateboarders could jumping off stairs.

3. Havnt handled anything more than 10 dollars wtf are u talking about,i also have my license and drive everyday if ur trying to offend me please think of something that has to be true.I do understand insurance and liabilty...

4. difference of a bike from a skateboard? bike proably being more dangerous and faster and more risky.Of course i dont have to take a skateboard but what happens if i wanna be eco friendly? i dont see how it not being imperative have to do with my topic at all.If i drive gas and college parking is horrendous. Why not look cool riding a skateboard from point a to b.

5. also skateboarding is a sport.argue.maybe in not this situation though.

6. oh yes i know what skitching is lol ty tony hawk games.And im sure people try that but thats just a responsibility issue.i have yet to see someone do that in my whole life besides me jokingly.anyone can abuse something by being stupid.

its like calling out the kids who jump of of houses,that isnt a valid point.

1. Okay, let's put the slang aside. Someone inexperienced who uses his skateboard as transportation will be more likely to get into an accident.

When a teenager gets granted his license for the first time, he is more likely to get in an accident than someone whose license was granted 20 years ago. That's why insurance is so much higher for young people.

That's not to say that someone that's had their license for 20 years is safe from accidents, but their insurance is a lot less because it's less likely for it to happen with experience.

My point? Not everyone with a skateboard knows how to control it.

2. When you sign up for a sport such as rugby or football, you are acknowledging the possibility (almost certainty) of getting hurt. These sports are played within enclosed areas where all the players are willingly and actively participating in the sport. As long as the players aren't tackling civilians, it's perfectly legal.

Take boxing for example, the point being to knock the other person out. Perfectly legal because both parties agree to it.

However, when you're skating, the person you're turning into roadkill most likely has not signed an agreement allowing this.

3. We're not trying to offend you. That's not the purpose of a debate.

4. You're right, bikes are a lot faster, but there are a number of things a bike has that a skateboard doesn't. First of all, BRAKES. Secondly, those cute little bells you can ring to tell someone you're coming. Thirdly, the ability to make sharp turns, decrease your speed and overall better control.

As far as being eco friendly, I'd encourage using a bike.

5. Yup, skateboarding is a sport, at least in my book. I'm not saying skateboarding in itself should be outlawed, but it should definitely only stay within areas where it's permitted.

6. Breaking city ordinance laws is showing a lack of responsibility.

[uninspiredfae]

Why are we on cB so early in the morning of a holiday? Here I am toting my lap top around at brunch. It's weird that I'm addicted again.

[xKatt]

Why are we on cB so early in the morning of a holiday? Here I am toting my lap top around at brunch. It's weird that I'm addicted again.

I'd be out somewhere, but it's thunderstorming outside.

(As you can see, I'm testing out different fonts, haha)

[uninspiredfae]

It's raining here, too.

[ReggieM]

i guess you guys win im the only one arguing =(. But alot of people do use skateboards as transportation just cuz its more portable and less expensive than a bike, which tends to get stolen. people dont use skateboards as transportation unless they know how to ride because if they dont they would be incredibly slow.

True that skateboarding on private property is illegal, but bmxers do it also.(not on same topic)and they should be punished.But signs say no skateboarding as the destroying of property not transportation, and in that video it looked like they were just skateboarding.

skateboarding on privat property is just a misdamenor,why would the cop use excessive force. so if he let them go what mighta happaned.Can a cop even touch you for a city ordinace?

[sadolakced acid]

the cop's use of force was justifed because they were fleeing law enforcement, to which police officers are allowed to chase and retrain you.

However; the chokeholds were a bit excessive, as was making them lie on the sidewalk.

[xKatt]

the cop's use of force was justifed because they were fleeing law enforcement, to which police officers are allowed to chase and retrain you.

However; the chokeholds were a bit excessive, as was making them lie on the sidewalk.

Agreed. I think those cops were just poorly trained. Any decent cop should be able to handcuff a child within 15 seconds without pinning him to the ground or putting him in a headlock.

[sadolakced acid]

from the way he was dressed, he looked more like a meter maid than a real cop.

[uninspiredfae]

i guess you guys win im the only one arguing =(. But alot of people do use skateboards as transportation just cuz its more portable and less expensive than a bike, which tends to get stolen. people dont use skateboards as transportation unless they know how to ride because if they dont they would be incredibly slow.

True that skateboarding on private property is illegal, but bmxers do it also.(not on same topic)and they should be punished.But signs say no skateboarding as the destroying of property not transportation, and in that video it looked like they were just skateboarding.

skateboarding on privat property is just a misdamenor,why would the cop use excessive force. so if he let them go what mighta happaned.Can a cop even touch you for a city ordinace?

bmxers should get punished if they violate the law; you're right on that and I agree. If the kid got punished for just innocently skateboarding on public property, then yes, that cop was way out of line. In fact, I do believe he got more rough than necessary.

I wouldn't believe what I see online too often though. I question the credibility of things like that. Why? There was a famous picture of a soldier executing a what seemed like an unarmed man. The soldier was condemned by many, including allies of that army. What we didn't know was that "unarmed" man is a cold-blooded killer, whose plots cost the lives of many civilians and bystanders.... The photographer had to apologize to the soldier for what he did many years later when he finally understood the consequences of it.

The point being... a picture don't always speak a thousand words. In this case that video could be a joke (like that crazy bride who cut off her own hair video) or it could be that the kid stole something or committed a crime and got caught. Or, it could be that the cop was in the wrong. We don't know for sure. However, because it cannot be validated, I don't see why we have to base our arguments on it.

See, why would the cop need to handcuff the them if they didn't commit a crime (the others being accessory to a crime)? You do know that cops could get in trouble if they cuff without reason, right?

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Edit... oh, haha, you all need to read the commments on the Video.

[*Moderator*]

Who puts a girl in a chokehold? Sorry I had to say it. I don't know, I guess they did break the law but I don't see the big deal in skateboarding, yeah you can get hurt skateboarding but you can get hurt just as easily doing something else.

[xKatt]

Who puts a girl in a chokehold? Sorry I had to say it. I don't know, I guess they did break the law but I don't see the big deal in skateboarding, yeah you can get hurt skateboarding but you can get hurt just as easily doing something else.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH6AYVn2yw4

2:03 - 2:13

What idiots. They can't even control a bunch of preteens. I'd have gotten a taser out if I were them. Those kids don't know what they're getting into. It's pathetic, really. Such disrespect to their elders and the law. Where are their parents?

[xburnoutx00]

I've seen that video and I don't think the kids shouldn't gotten in any trouble. I honestly don't see the big deal in skateboarding.

I've never seen a cop yell at someone who was riding a bike. My little brother rides a dirt bike on public streets and no cops say anything to him - but when it comes to skateboarding, the cops are all over that. I don't get it.

[xKatt]

^ ... Way to contribute nothing to the thread. How about reading one or two of the posts?

And don't you mean "should've", not "shouldn't"?

Skateboarding is against that city's ordinance laws. Therefore, it's punishable. Saying that kids shouldn't be punished for breaking the law doesn't make any sense.

[brooklyneast05]

[font=Georgia][color=#9932CC]^ ... Way to contribute nothing to the thread. How about reading one or two of the posts?

way to be a hypocrite
after two nights ago u told me that u go around and dont read posts, u just post to be posting

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...7764&st=325

just letting u know

[xKatt]

Lmao. Wow you must feel quite clever.

Just so you know, I'm active on the debate forums and have been since early '06 (this is a different account), so I rarely post without reading previous posts.

If you read through the posts on that thread, you could see I did contribute a lot to it, but I said I was done. I just came back to see what everyone was up to and decided to post something to keep myself busy.

Now stop making threads go off topic. Gosh!

[brooklyneast05]

oh ok
well im just going off what u told me
and that would be that u didn't know what we were talking about




and anyway
i've seen cops getting carried away and just want to show off in the moment.
but like a previous post said, i don't really trust the videos, since u can't really tell what all was going on. but if i was just going by the footage shown, i think tackling kids is a little too much for just skateboarding

[xburnoutx00]

^ ... Way to contribute nothing to the thread. How about reading one or two of the posts?

And don't you mean "should've", not "shouldn't"?

Skateboarding is against that city's ordinance laws. Therefore, it's punishable. Saying that kids shouldn't be punished for breaking the law doesn't make any sense.

It's against the law to ride a dirtbike on a public street - so that makes it punishable. I don't see cops chasing kids on dirtbikes. Only skateboards.

& where do you come off saying that I've contributed nothing to the thread? - not to go off topic but I'm curious.

EDIT ; I read the whole thread. :]]

[Spirited Away]

It's against the law to ride a dirtbike on a public street - so that makes it punishable. I don't see cops chasing kids on dirtbikes. Only skateboards.

& where do you come off saying that I've contributed nothing to the thread? - not to go off topic but I'm curious.

EDIT ; I read the whole thread. :]]

Just because you don't see it on YouTube doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Cops do chase after kids (and even adults) on dirt bikes riding on the street/sidewalk. Read some newspapers... or search google. I'm sure you'll "see" something.

And though the thread didn't mention "dirt bikes" specifically, we pretty much ruled that anyone abusing the law in this regard should be punished. Dirt bikes, bike messengers, skateboarders... the whole shebang. This is tiring.

Now, you can probably debate why you don't like these laws, that'll fly fine.

[xburnoutx00]

Uh - that wasn't what I was getting at. I was saying that around my town I see kids getting stopped by cops because of skateboards, but I have yet to see someone get stopped because of a dirtbike. I don't even see it in newspapers.

[xKatt]

It's against the law to ride a dirtbike on a public street - so that makes it punishable. I don't see cops chasing kids on dirtbikes. Only skateboards.

& where do you come off saying that I've contributed nothing to the thread? - not to go off topic but I'm curious.

EDIT ; I read the whole thread. :]]

Public streets are ideal for skaters because there's tons of stuff to grind on, jump over, etc. Dirt biking is for dirt. You probably don't see cops chasing after kids on dirtbikes because kids don't dirtbike on public streets. At least not where I live.

And I said that because you didn't say anything supporting your statement as to why you think the skateboarders shouldn't have gotten in trouble when it was already stated that it was legitimate that they get punished. If you have a problem with the law itself, you could've presented points about that.

Also, I'm quite sure that riding a bike is acceptable by most cities' ordinance laws. If it isn't in your city and your brother can get away with it while skaters don't, I'd understand why you're upset.

[xburnoutx00]

I'm not upset - but I am saying, my brother rides his dirtbike on a public street & he skateboards on a public street. He's gotten in trouble by the cops countless times for skateboarding - but never has he gotten in trouble for riding the bike.

[Spirited Away]

Oh, because I googled as soon as you mentioned dirt bikes, and I saw that there are adults and kids who have gotten in trouble for riding dirtbikes on public streets. So apparently, they do get in trouble. Maybe those cops that stalk your brother don't know the difference btw a regular bike and a dirt bike? *Shrugs*.

You said you never saw cops getting on people for riding bikes and I thought you meant that in general, not around your town. A misunderstanding, is all.

Basically, what we're getting at here is that if skateboarders (and the likes--dirt bikers included) follow the rules, then cops should have no business hunting them down like that. However, if they break the rules, they should be punished like any other lawbreaker.

[xburnoutx00]

Basically, what we're getting at here is that if skateboarders (and the likes--dirt bikers included) follow the rules, then cops should have no business hunting them down like that. However, if they break the rules, they should be punished like any other lawbreaker.

I agree with that .. I just don't really understand why skateboarders can't ride on the streets. People can ride a bike on the streets. It's whatever though, I don't do either. Ha.

[Spirited Away]

Wait... what? Skateboarders are subjected to the same laws bicyclists must adhere to generally. Where do you get that skateboarders are banned from skateboarding on streets? They are banned (and if not, should be) from private property, but I thought they're allowed on public streets so long as they do not pose a threat.

Which city ordinance says this?

[popoberry]

skateboarding can be a way of someone`s life, so it`s not a crime .

[Spirited Away]

skateboarding can be a way of someone`s life, so it`s not a crime .

smoking crack is a way of life... wow, let's free all the crack dealers, yo! they're not criminals, it's their way of life!

On a serious note, a lot of things can be argued to be "a way of life", but if that way of life disturbs private property and abuses public property, it's gotta go. Kick the habit, or be kicked.

[popoberry]

smoking crack is a way of life... wow, let's free all the crack dealers, yo! they're not criminals, it's their way of life!

On a serious note, a lot of things can be argued to be "a way of life", but if that way of life disturbs private property and abuses public property, it's gotta go. Kick the habit, or be kicked.

f**kinnn mocker . anyways yeah true but i doubt you kno any skaters that 'disturbs' your property or some shit . yeah think about it .

[Spirited Away]

f**kinnn mocker . anyways yeah true but i doubt you kno any skaters that 'disturbs' your property or some shit . yeah think about it .

Uh, I take it you didn't read the thread or else you'd be thinking differently. But good for you!

And I don't have to think about it. I just have to be informed on laws and read some newspapers. This shit's everywhere.

Sarcasm = Mocking? Yea... I guess. Sorry, dude.

[popoberry]

Uh, I take it you didn't read the thread or else you'd be thinking differently. But good for you!

And I don't have to think about it. I just have to be informed on laws and read some newspapers. This shit's everywhere.

Sarcasm = Mocking? Yea... I guess. Sorry, dude.

well no one wants your stupid sarcasm that isn`t even funny . go shit on a skateboard if you feel it`s so bad .

[Spirited Away]

Wow... "no one"... you speak for the world. That's cool. Anyway, the debate forum works a little differently than the rest of cB. I suggest you read the rules a little.

Logic actually has value here, so go buy some if you can't find any in your brain. Good night!

[popoberry]

the f**k cares i`m not saying 'no one' as literally . and you're a dumbass cuhz you can`t buy logic . and even if you can buy logic and shit you can`t ever you can`t even afford it . so shut up .

[*Sandraaa*]

Fae, QUIT arguing with him / her, it'll get you nowhere. Lmfao! I agree with you and Katt. You've said it all.

[Simba]

Dang ladies. Let's cool down a bit.

[ReggieM]

When it says no skating on a sign, does it mean no transportation or no hobbying as in doing tricks and stuff or both?

2.i thougt we didnt want global warming why are we wasting time kicking kids having fun not in gangs out of the sidewalk, when they could be driving or something.

[popoberry]

When it says no skating on a sign, does it mean no transportation or no hobbying as in doing tricks and stuff or both?

2.i thougt we didnt want global warming why are we wasting time kicking kids having fun not in gangs out of the sidewalk, when they could be driving or something.

they`re just saying to not skate in that area .

[xKatt]

well no one wants your stupid sarcasm that isn`t even funny . go shit on a skateboard if you feel it`s so bad .

...

LMAO.

Can someone remove this girl from the debate forum? She has the intelligence, maturity and debate skills of a gerbil.

[ReggieM]

yes skate as in.....?

[xburnoutx00]

Wait... what? Skateboarders are subjected to the same laws bicyclists must adhere to generally. Where do you get that skateboarders are banned from skateboarding on streets? They are banned (and if not, should be) from private property, but I thought they're allowed on public streets so long as they do not pose a threat.

Which city ordinance says this?

Skateboarders get in trouble for just skating around my neighborhood.
I must live in a really sheltered neighborhood from what I'm reading. We aren't allowed to do anything. Ha.

[Spirited Away]

the f**k cares i`m not saying 'no one' as literally . and you're a dumbass cuhz you can`t buy logic . and even if you can buy logic and shit you can`t ever you can`t even afford it . so shut up .

I take it you don't understand sarcasm so I'll leave you alone. I don't think you know the difference between what is literal and what is figurative anyway.

Fae, QUIT arguing with him / her, it'll get you nowhere. Lmfao! I agree with you and Katt. You've said it all.

Yes, enough with that. I was just having fun, Sandra. But I guess I better be the bigger person here.

Dang ladies. Let's cool down a bit.

Tell that to the one cussing up a storm there... but I'm done.

...

LMAO.

Can someone remove this girl from the debate forum? She has the intelligence, maturity and debate skills of a gerbil.

=) My thoughts exactly.

Skateboarders get in trouble for just skating around my neighborhood.
I must live in a really sheltered neighborhood from what I'm reading. We aren't allowed to do anything. Ha.

If your brother is skating in areas that are allowed and a cop jumped him, you better report that cop.

[demolished]

The video is remarkably biased. The skaters were breaking the law. Period. If you break the law, expect to be punished by the enforcers of the law.

And clearly it didn't show from the beginning. The cop most likely warned them numerous times before being forced to handcuff them. And did you not notice when the kids were trying to struggle from the policemens' grasp? How thick-headed do you have to be to do that? And then have the nerve to try and gain public sympathy through the internet? Or possibly to seem like cool rebels? Pathetic!!

Sorry, I'm firm believer in the law when it's reasonable and disallowing unruly kids from becoming public disturbances is perfectly reasonable to me.

As to why skating is illegal? It's a disruption! Do you know how annoying it is to be near roadkill from reckless skaters?

There are skate parks for a reason. Stay there and stop trying to be rebels.

Aren’t you a skater, katt?
I still remember your old username something like ruggedkatt? Something like that.

IMO, Skateboarding is perfectly okay as long you don’t ruin any property. If there a place designed for skateboarding, do whatever you want.



Honestly, I don’t like the sign saying, “no skateboarding”, because I skateboard and do not do any tricks that damage the property.

[Spirited Away]

Hmm, good point, but define "damage to property". You mean like physical, tangible damages?

[demolished]

Actually, don't grind or perform any tricks at all.
Don't do anything that touches people's property while performing tricks.

Just roll the skateboard. It's very simple.
It's pretty much like riding a bike, but safer than bike.

When performing a trick, you won't know if you'll create an obvious-looking damage. To be on the safe side, just don't disrespect owner's property.

Thanks for asking that question, fae.

[popoberry]

I take it you don't understand sarcasm so I'll leave you alone. I don't think you know the difference between what is literal and what is figurative anyway.

um actually i do know what sarcasm is . you just don`t know how to do it the right way . and shut the f**k up you think you`re some smart piece of shit huh ? dumbf**k .

[brooklyneast05]

um actually i do know what sarcasm is . you just don`t know how to do it the right way . and shut the f**k up you think you`re some smart piece of shit huh ? dumbf**k .

u needa calm down little girl

[popoberry]

u needa calm down little girl

sorry dude . this person is seriously bursting my bubble . thinks they a smart ass or summin` .

[brooklyneast05]

sorry dude . this person is seriously bursting my bubble . thinks they a smart ass or summin` .

they are smart
and making u look like an idiot
not that u need anyone to help u with that really though
i don't know that debate forums are the best place for u

[popoberry]

they are smart
and making u look like an idiot
not that u need anyone to help u with that really though
i don't know that debate forums are the best place for u

yeah well whatever . they`re just some stupid online freaks who don`t have emotion in what they`re saying .

[xburnoutx00]

then that makes you ...... ?

[popoberry]

then that makes you ...... ?

another one ? damn son what`s with this whole cb mafia ?? shit .

[*steve330*]

It's not so much a cB mafia rather a crusade against annoyance.

[xburnoutx00]

You brought this on yourself. Maybe you should just leave - you aren't very good at debates, let alone arguing on the internet. :]

[popoberry]

okay whatever . i`m over it .

[xburnoutx00]

lol.
anyway...

Actually, don't grind or perform any tricks at all.
Don't do anything that touches people's property while performing tricks.

Just roll the skateboard. It's very simple.
It's pretty much like riding a bike, but safer than bike.

When performing a trick, you won't know if you'll create an obvious-looking damage. To be on the safe side, just don't disrespect owner's property.

Thanks for asking that question, fae.

How is skateboarding safer then a bike? I've heard of more injuries from a skateboard then from a bike.

Just curious. :]

[popoberry]

oh yeah . and who cares if i did this shit in the debate forum . it could`ve been somewhere else and i still would`ve said the same shit to that ass . duece .

[xburnoutx00]

Here are the general forum rules that you must follow before you start any debate topics. Please make sure you've read and followed all directions.

* Topics are not to bash others.
* Immature behaviors/comments will not be tolerated.
* Please don't double post.
* Cussing is not allowed.
* All debate topics must be kept at a certain maturity level.
* Please remember, not everyone thinks like you. People have their ways of thinking and perspectives. Let's respect each other's thoughts and responses.
* Be nice.
* NEW! Polls are not allowed in debate forum. It's because debate aren't voting on sides. Debates are giving evidence to prove your own points. If everybody vote, there there'll be no point to debate.

This is it for now. If you fail to abide by these directions, the topics will be automatically closed.

Feel free to argue.

You've broken more then half of these.

[popoberry]

oh . i never read those so yeah . i`m over it gawd .

[xburnoutx00]

You've said that once. You're not contributing to this thread at all. I don't know why you're here.

[HakunaMatata]

Please end the off-topic bickering now.

[demolished]

lol.
anyway...



How is skateboarding safer then a bike? I've heard of more injuries from a skateboard then from a bike.

Just curious. :]

Oops. i was thinking of riding a bike on the sidewalk is unsafe for the surroundings.

The reason you hear more injuries from skateboarding is that generally, skaters perform many tricks. For bike … uhhhh, do you think bikers are able to perform in the street? I don’t think so. Haha. That's my guess.

If you want to master a trick, you naturally go through the pain, bruise, marks, scalps, and practice unless you’re a natural-born genius.

[xKatt]

Aren’t you a skater, katt?
I still remember your old username something like ruggedkatt? Something like that.

IMO, Skateboarding is perfectly okay as long you don’t ruin any property. If there a place designed for skateboarding, do whatever you want.



Honestly, I don’t like the sign saying, “no skateboarding”, because I skateboard and do not do any tricks that damage the property.

Wtf? I've never had an account called 'ruggedkatt'. And I've never skated in my life ahah. Wrong Katt.

[*Sandraaa*]

um actually i do know what sarcasm is . you just don`t know how to do it the right way . and shut the f**k up you think you`re some smart piece of shit huh ? dumbf**k .

Nobody's trying to be mean AT ALL. I've been quietly following this thread, which has been very interesting until you started posting. Nobody hates you (I think), they just want you out of this thread since you can't contribute meaningfully.

Please? Stop?

*sigh*

Anyway, it's obvious that skateboarding on the road is dangerous, hell, why would someone want to do that?
I am all up for the fine; if a skateboarder is found skating on forbidden premesis or on the street, he or she should be fined, not arrested. It should be considered as a soon-to-be accident. Prevention is better than cure.

What is wrong in skating in (how do you call it) skate area? Why expand or exaggerate things? Like someone said, you wouldn't find a boxer boxing on the sidewalk. To each sport it's own territory.

[xKatt]

The debate forum always needed some comic relief.