Are atheists angry?, Be respectful please. Options

[shortnsweet88]

Me and a friend of mine like to get into deep discussions about religion and so on and so forth. Just so that ya'll know where I stand, I am a christian...non denominational. I dont completely believe in certain aspects of organized religion...church is not my forte much lately. Anyways, to the point...

We were discussing how it seems to us that atheists seem to be angry. Either at Christians or just at the world in general. I like to do research on different religions and have explored many different options. I am simply inquiring about atheists just so I can understand more.

Do you think atheists are angry?
Are you atheist? Are you angry?

Explain why and tell me a little about what you believe so that I can understand.

Once again, please be respectful in everything you say and do me a favor and put a little thought into it...dont respond with a simple statement like "christians are hypocrites" or something like that.

Thanks...

[misoshiru]

I'm agnostic. I used to be Christian, until I realized that many of my beliefs clashed with Christian beliefs. The only reason I'm agnostic is because I feel that there is some sort of greater being out there, that caused the Big Bang, the creation of the world, the breakup of pangaea, evolution and humans.

But am I angry? Definitely not. I don't need to have faith in a divine being to be happy. My parents are atheist, and neither of them are angry people.


Let me ask you. Why do you think atheists are angry?

[shortnsweet88]

Well, one thing I was afraid of is that my question would come off as being judgmental of all atheists. Which...I am not. It seems though that all of my friends or all of the people I have met who are atheist seem to be angry. Mostly at Christians. I just want to learn a little more. I want to, more than anything try to help not do what is making them so angry. I like being open minded and looking at things from other peoples point of view. Thank you so much for your input!

[misoshiru]

But I don't understand why you think the majority of atheists are angry? Where's the evidence that shows that atheists are angry?

And by saying atheists, are you talking about people who don't believe in any type of god or just people who don't believe in a Christian God? For example, do you think Muslims are angry? Or Buddhists are angry?

[shortnsweet88]

No. Atheism is a religion in a sense. Its a seperate thing. To get a bit deeper into what I think is that its good to believe in some form of a God. And, I will say this once more, I am not against atheists...this was a form of research for me. I do not actually find other religions angry for the most part. I didnt say I have evidence...but the majority, if not all, of the atheists I have met and other people have met...have seemed to have some vendetta againsts christians and life in general sometimes. Its not even a generalization really...I'm trying to get some helpful feedback from an atheist who might have had a bad experience with another religion or a person from another religion or just with anything.

[misoshiru]

Well then, how is this a debate if we're not really debating about how atheists are angry and instead that a lot of atheists you've encountered appear to be "angry" and want to talk to other Christians about it?


I can tell you that I've had bad experiences with Christianity, being a former Christian myself. It was suffocating. I went to a Christian school for 8 years and I was literally brainwashed into believing that if I weren't Christian, everyone in the school would hate me, that everyone in general would hate me. When you're 6 and you're told that everyone will hate you if you don't believe in God is rather traumatizing. I was told that evolution is a lie and abortion is killing babies. That what George W. Bush is doing is completely right. But isn't it also mass murder? Think of how many innocent Iraqis have died.

Christians don't believe in murder, yet many still support capital punishment. Where is the justification in that? Doesn't the Bible tell you that when someone hits you, you just turn the other cheek? Or did George W. invade Iraq with "an eye for an eye"?

[shortnsweet88]

Well this is in the debate forum because I figured someone would have some sort of response that would turn this into a big issue...and second of all...i dont really see anywhere else thats completely appropriate to put it...so unless someone moves this...I'm quite content with it being in the debate section.

Also, I have to say i know the feeling of having christianity pushed on you...which is why I started being interested in other religions in the first place...I did, in the end...make my own decision to continue being a christian because I strongly believe in all of the stuff associated with it.


As far as your George Bush comment goes, I must say this...in the Bible there were wars...there will always be fights...in revelation it talks about wars in the end times...wars are not unbiblical. Also I would like to point out that this man has had it tough from the second he stepped into office and as much as everybody has to say to correct him I dont think they could handle pressure nearly as well as he can. Also, its really a lose, lose situation with him...some people wanted him to go into war sooner...and they are mad...some people dont believe in war and they are mad...but in the end...he is the president after all and I'm sure he knows just a couple more things than any of us do. Although you think of it as mass murdering...in reality its defense...we are defending ourselves. If someone comes into your house with a gun to your head...you are not just going to stand there and let them shoot it...you are going to fight back. The scripture "turn the other cheek" is taken out of context so frequently. I believe it to mean almost mentally...when someone is mean to you...just let them be...


OH and also...I dont personally believe in capital punishment. "let he who is without sin cast the first stone". A human being should not have the authority to punish another man's wrong doings in such a harsh way.

[alysaphobia]

If you define atheism as the abscence of a belief in a god(s), I am atheist- and I'm not particularly angry at the world.
I can kind of see what you're getting at though- some of my "atheist" friends are more the type to be "angry at the world" and tend to be ex-Christians. You know, the "teenage ranting, angst-y types". This is a pretty big generalization, but I'm guessing this might be what you're describing as the angry atheists?

Anyways, my situation- my mother is Shinto (Buddhist, basically) and my father is Christian. They never pushed their beliefs on me, so I never really went to church weekly or learned about my mother's beliefs either. I just grew up able to form my own opinions about the world around me. I didn't "become" atheist as a result of negative interaction with other religions or people of other religions, I was just able to form my own opinions about the world around me and never found a need for a belief in a greater "force" or deity to live through my life.

[misoshiru]

I understand what you're talking about, but you're still not showing me the "angry" types of atheists. Are you talking about angsty teenagers who're all emo and "i hate the world"?

[Mystic Eyes]

Why would Atheists be angry. It's more of an individual thing than a group thing.

[*kryogenix*]

I'm agnostic. I used to be Christian, until I realized that many of my beliefs clashed with Christian beliefs. The only reason I'm agnostic is because I feel that there is some sort of greater being out there, that caused the Big Bang, the creation of the world, the breakup of pangaea, evolution and humans.

But am I angry? Definitely not. I don't need to have faith in a divine being to be happy. My parents are atheist, and neither of them are angry people.
Let me ask you. Why do you think atheists are angry?

That's not agnosticism.

[*steve330*]

That's not agnosticism.

Deism imo.
I'm a Deist, but went through transitions of atheism/agnosticism. During none of those times was I ever an angry person. I have always like to think of myself as one of the nicest people in my family, and one of the nicest people around friends etc. I can be rude to strangers that don't give off a very amiable first impression. I won't intentionally be rude to anyone though. Unfortunately I still go to church due to the fact that I have younger brothers that look up to me etc and I don't want them to make their decision based on what I've done, rather let them come to the choice on their own.

But yeah, to answer your question, I would say no atheists are not angry people. I would say they are people who reject religion as it has been preached, and would rather just kinda forget about it all.

[shortnsweet88]

I have actually gotten a lot of helpful responses thank yall.

[Mulder]

Do you think atheists are angry?
Are you atheist? Are you angry?

That's a generalization, and a stereotype. Would you be offended if I said "why are all christians so pushy?" "why do they all want to save us?" ?

[31miracles]

I guess I'm atheists.
I don't believe in any spiritual thing.
And I'm not angry.
I enjoy life as it comes

The way I see it,
you die,
I die,
we all die,
so there's nothing to be scared of,
since we all end up the same.

[kimmytree]

Well, one thing I was afraid of is that my question would come off as being judgmental of all atheists. Which...I am not. It seems though that all of my friends or all of the people I have met who are atheist seem to be angry. Mostly at Christians. I just want to learn a little more. I want to, more than anything try to help not do what is making them so angry. I like being open minded and looking at things from other peoples point of view. Thank you so much for your input!

I dont think athiests are "angry", I think they are annoyed/irritated more than anything else, the same way a Christian would feel about a non-believer. At least that's how it's been for me lately. I'm actually Agnostic... I'm basically in misoshiru's situation, except my parents arent really Athiest... they're loosely Baptist.

But back to the whole angry thing. I'm not angry at Christians at all. I'm glad they have something to have faith in and live for. I just sometimes feel like they dont understand things the way I do. Not that I'm totally right, but it's normal for a person to think they are right concerning something like religion. So I guess Athiests just dont get why Christians dont see things the way they do.

[misoshiru]

That's not agnosticism.

I don't believe in a God, in the terms of a Christian god or Allah existing. It may be possible that a greater being exists and there's no way for humans to find out. Perhaps a greater being exists and maybe it doesn't.

[shortnsweet88]

That's a generalization, and a stereotype. Would you be offended if I said "why are all christians so pushy?" "why do they all want to save us?" ?

No, first of all I hear that quite often and second of all if someone stated a point clearly that it seems to them christians are coming off as pushy and they are interested in why...then I would not be offended. I will not repeat the same thing again and again...so it was not meant as a stereotype...you can take it or leave it.

[bat19]

I've already given a similiar reply to another topic but I will repeat the main points.

I don't think it's possiblle for there to be a god. Creationists give the argument that it's just not possible we're here out of the blue, that there has to be some grand scheme behind everything. What they rarely question and never give a rational answer to is the creation of God. The answer they always give is "Well, you need to have faith." Faith in what? If I need to have faith in God, why can't you have faith in the big bang theory. This has to be why "Atheists" appear so angry. Believers have a sense of superiority because they believe they have the answer to the question of our existence. What they really have is an easy way out because it is just too hard to believe that we are in fact not special and just an abherration of nature. It is a hard fact to swallow, that we are just another step of the evolution of the universe. It has always been the dream of all humans to be Gods. We've always assumed we were the supreme beings which is why it is so hard for people to believe we came from less intelligent creatures. Well, believe it. We are not supreme beings, we only use 10% of our brains and most don't use that. I know that the majority of people who actually read this will just blow it off as conjecture and guesswork, but that is exactly what ALL religion is. Guessing. No one knows anything for sure except that all logical evidence points to evolution, not higher powers. Realism, not magic. I find it so funny that the church has decreed things like Pokemon evil because it promotes evolution, or Harry Potter because witchcraft is evil, yet they believe in a magic God who is able to do anything he wants. Whatever, I'm not angry at any one type of religion, they're all stupid. That might make me sound like an ignorant ass, but that's exactly what these jesus freaks sound to me. And yes, Christians are extremely hypocritical. Their "golden rule" is "Do Unto Others..." yet every uptight Christian conservative I know has nothing but bad things to say about teenage mothers, or people on welfare, or drug users. I have bad things to say about them too, but at least I'm open about it. I don't pretend to love them publicly and hate them privately, I'll hate them whenever I want regardless. So I guess that's the answer to your question.

Atheists appear angry because they are not held back by any misguided beliefs that teach them to love the things they should hate.

About Me:

1. I'm not gonna say I approve of abortion, but I'm not against it.
2. I'm completely for the death penalty and I think we should have stricter punishments on rapists and Child molesters.
3. I don't care too much about the environment, as long as any dumping occurs in the ocean and not in rivers and lakes that people swim in.
4. I'm for stem-cell research and I think the idea that it's murder is just completely retarded. Anyone who doesn't agree with Stem-cell research has obviously never had a life threatening disease or know anyone with one, and if they do, then they are just heartless motherf**kers who's opinion shouldn't even matter.
5. I'm for Gay marriage. I think it's a common misconception that the gay people on tv or at the supermarket who wear belly shirts and whore themselves out represent the entire gay community and I'm sure they don't like those people at all.
6. I don't care about George Bush, he's just another figurehead who's only real job is to be the person we fling our blame and our insults at. He's just the president, he doesn't come up with all this shit himself. If we all stopped blaming people, maybe we could work at helping the situation.
7. I'm not gonna say I'm for the war, but I would say I would be more inclined to agree if someone would just state our true reasons for going. Just someone, anyone in the political field just have the balls to stand up and say we went in for the oil. Just be f**kin honest for once.

Anyway, I hope the three people who actually read through this whole post understand where I'm coming from and I hope I adequately answered the question.

[shortnsweet88]

I have to say that you have given me my favorite response yet. As far as your beliefs go...because I am a christian, I obviously have an argument for every point you mentioned. I do want to thank you though for taking the time to actually explain yourself and stay on topic rather then using this subject to argue over which forum I should have placed this in.

What I believe in response to what you have said:

-I believe in God because this is my point of view. If you believe in God and you are not some hypocritical son of a bitch who walks around judging everybody for their flaws...but you believe in the Bible and you worry about your own flaws rather than thoes around you...you will live a farely good life. You will have good morals...and you will have the beauty of the idea of believing in this amazing being greater than ourselves and a man who once died just so that you could live happily in heaven. If, as christians, we are wrong...then the worst thing that will happen is that we will rot...having lived decent lives. However...lets turn the tables for a second...what if christians are right? or buddhists are right? or so on and so forth...what will happen to you?

-I have to agree that some christians can be hypocritical...annoyingly hypocritical..however, its the same as saying all atheists are angry...its true for some..and not for others.

-I am stronly apposed to abortion...however I would never ever condemn or judge a person who wishes to or has gotten an abortion. I just personally view it as an amazing potential for a human being...your future president that you are taking away his life before he even gets to live it...

-The death penalty is something a lot of christians actually are all for...I however, am against it. Bible time: "let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

-Environment...dont really care too much.

-Stem cell research...ashamed to admit that I dont know enough about it to choose one way or the other...

-Gay marriage should be legalized because...eh, its forcing them to "live in sin" by being together before they are married anyways...just let them be...

-George Bush is a stressed out man who has been given crap since the second he stepped into office and I think we should all just do ourselves a favor and step back and let him do his job until his term is over.

-I am not against wars at all.



Thank you for your response it was actually extremely helpful

[misoshiru]

environment? O_o

[*My Cinderella.*]

The definition from dictionary.com states,

Atheist, agnostic, infidel, skeptic refer to persons not inclined toward religious belief or a particular form of religious belief. An atheist is one who denies the existence of a deity or of divine beings. An agnostic is one who believes it impossible to know anything about God or about the creation of the universe and refrains from commitment to any religious doctrine. Infidel means an unbeliever, especially a nonbeliever in Islam or Christianity. A skeptic doubts and is critical of all accepted doctrines and creeds.

I don't think that atheist are necessarily angry. I mean, its possible that they just view life in their own "realistic" sense, where things are run and happen without spiritual beings mapping out what we do and what we will do.

[kimmytree]

-I am stronly apposed to abortion...however I would never ever condemn or judge a person who wishes to or has gotten an abortion. I just personally view it as an amazing potential for a human being...your future president that you are taking away his life before he even gets to live it...

So you hate abortions, but you still think that they should be allowed, since it's a womans right? I dont think anyone in the right mind, Christian or not, loves or encourages them.

-Environment...dont really care too much.

You dont care about the environment? What, do you believe that God will take care of everything or something?

-George Bush is a stressed out man who has been given crap since the second he stepped into office and I think we should all just do ourselves a favor and step back and let him do his job until his term is over.

Yeah, that'd be the easiest thing to do, but what if a person strongly disagrees with what the President is doing? So it's okay to go along with something, even though you might believe that what he's doing is wrong? He deserves our respect, but just because he's "the President" doesnt mean we should always think everything he does is right. It's like that with every President, both Republicans and Democrats.

I hope I dont seem like I'm attacking you. I'm just wondering what you're views are.

[*mishyerr*]

Yes, atheists are spiteful people who have no meaning in their imaginary-God-less lives.





-_-"

[cori-catastrophe]

well, i wouldn't say all athiests are. that'd be a bit judgemental, would it not?
however, i do know an older lady who's an athiest and she is angry. her brother-in-law used to beat his wife and kids and then go out in public and talk about how godly he was and how much faith he had. i hate to say it, but you're right about most christians being hypocritical. we're not all like that, but some christians are just so close-minded that they refuse to believe anything else exept their own ideas. it's those so-called "christians" that give us a bad name. i must say, i've really researched on the topic and there are good arguments on both sides. people liek to have control.

[elaboratedream]

Atheists aren't all angry. I mean, sure there are some of those former christian "I'm just atheist because I'm pissed off at my christian parents" teenagers... but that's not a good representation of atheists.
There are plenty of kind, helpful atheists who volunteer and do all that stuff. Atheists who, since they don't believe that some god will do it for them, help others themselves. They do things much more practical than sit at home and pray for some god to make everything right. They do something that will actually help people.

But most of the time, when atheists seem angry at christians or w/e its because christians are such assholes to them. Christians think that everyone, no matter how good they are, is evil if they don't believe in god and jesus and all that crap. (Not saying ALL christians have this viewpoint, just a lot of them)
Christians also have this tendancy to be close-minded, judgemental bigots.
Plenty of them stand outside abortion clinics yelling at everyone who goes in telling them they're baby-killers, that they're such horrible people, assume they must be sluts who just have sex with anything that moves... some of them protest at soldier's funerals. Almost all of them hate gay people, or at least tell them that they're horrible sinners. They have this tendancy to be a bit hypocritical...
I went to catholic school for almost my entire life. I have read almost every verse of all four gospels. I know what their bible teaches. And I know that most "christians" don't practice it.

I personally tend to be a bit... annoyed, for lack of a better word, at christians because of that hypocrisy. They slam the bible in your face... after horribly twisting it around... and they don't even follow the most important teachings.

I dont hate all christians, and I'm not angry at them as a huge group. I don't like the ones who are hypocritical, and I think everyone can understand that.

I am an atheist. I am not angry. I enjoy life, I enjoy things around me. I am generally a friendly person.
However, I won't let people talk shit about me, I do get angry when people judge people, and hypocrits annoy the hell out of me.

[cori-catastrophe]

Atheists aren't all angry. I mean, sure there are some of those former christian "I'm just atheist because I'm pissed off at my christian parents" teenagers... but that's not a good representation of atheists.
There are plenty of kind, helpful atheists who volunteer and do all that stuff. Atheists who, since they don't believe that some god will do it for them, help others themselves. They do things much more practical than sit at home and pray for some god to make everything right. They do something that will actually help people.

But most of the time, when atheists seem angry at christians or w/e its because christians are such assholes to them. Christians think that everyone, no matter how good they are, is evil if they don't believe in god and jesus and all that crap. (Not saying ALL christians have this viewpoint, just a lot of them)
Christians also have this tendancy to be close-minded, judgemental bigots.
Plenty of them stand outside abortion clinics yelling at everyone who goes in telling them they're baby-killers, that they're such horrible people, assume they must be sluts who just have sex with anything that moves... some of them protest at soldier's funerals. Almost all of them hate gay people, or at least tell them that they're horrible sinners. They have this tendancy to be a bit hypocritical...
I went to catholic school for almost my entire life. I have read almost every verse of all four gospels. I know what their bible teaches. And I know that most "christians" don't practice it.

I personally tend to be a bit... annoyed, for lack of a better word, at christians because of that hypocrisy. They slam the bible in your face... after horribly twisting it around... and they don't even follow the most important teachings.

I dont hate all christians, and I'm not angry at them as a huge group. I don't like the ones who are hypocritical, and I think everyone can understand that.

I am an atheist. I am not angry. I enjoy life, I enjoy things around me. I am generally a friendly person.
However, I won't let people talk shit about me, I do get angry when people judge people, and hypocrits annoy the hell out of me.

i agree with most of what you're saying, but you do understand that you are calling christians hyprocritical when you're saying a majority of us are like that?
i'm a christian and i disagree with alot of the normal christian beliefs. i don't think that anyone is better than me, no matter what their religion. i am for aboritions. i am for gay marriage. i am open-minded. i don't try to force my religion apon others.
i've only heard of one "christian"9you can't really call them that) church(not so much) protesting at a soilder's funeral. and they were more of a cult than anything. not all christians are like that and society wants to judge all of us based on a few whom claim to be christian. but we get called hypocrits.

[viugiufgjhfhjfhg...]

Me and a friend of mine like to get into deep discussions about religion and so on and so forth. Just so that ya'll know where I stand, I am a christian...non denominational. I dont completely believe in certain aspects of organized religion...church is not my forte much lately. Anyways, to the point...

We were discussing how it seems to us that atheists seem to be angry. Either at Christians or just at the world in general. I like to do research on different religions and have explored many different options. I am simply inquiring about atheists just so I can understand more.

Do you think atheists are angry?
Are you atheist? Are you angry?

Explain why and tell me a little about what you believe so that I can understand.

Once again, please be respectful in everything you say and do me a favor and put a little thought into it...dont respond with a simple statement like "christians are hypocrites" or something like that.

Thanks...

I am positioned rather close to atheist thesis, philosophically speaking. Although it is true that I do consider myself an agnostic because I haven't a solid theory that allows me to disregard the idea of a superior deity. Yet.

I don't consider this view of the world to be influenced, nor have originated from anger. I started to develop it when I first took philosophy and ethics classes way back when I was 14; I then inquired further by reading the works of the authors I did learn about in school and drawing my own conclusions.

Emotions may have been involved with this process of learning at one point or another, discarding this thought entirely seems to be foolish to me. However it would be even more foolish to have based an entire philosophy on something as volatile as human feelings are.

Now, if what you are talking about is getting pissed off when confronting someone in a debate then that would be an entirely different thing. That's a matter of patience, willpower, and ability to dialogue.

[*Mercy*]

Im catholic.
As much as many of my beliefs are non catholic.I still stand by my God.And if I do get sent to hell for beliving that the church shouldent have a say so for birth control or premarrital sex then so be it.

As for atheists.I have found many of them to be angry bitter people.Do I think that they all are like that?No Certainly not.Because the ones that I know are only atheist because it displeases there parents or because its cool to them.

I can see why you might think or wonder that.Unfortunatly its jsut a stereotype that alot of people I guess feed into.

[Jamwllms]

Over here in Great Britain, Atheism is rather common. At least where I am. My parents are certainly not religious, and neither am I Atheist to "Spite" them. I don't know anyone who is Atheist just to annoy their parents. They're that way because they don't believe in an entity. Let's face it, if they believed in it, I doubt they would deny it to annoy their parents, would they?

I'm not a particulary angry atheist. Although, I will tell you that one of the reasons some atheists might be angry, is because of religion itself. Some don't like the idea of people living their lives a certain way with various restriction because there might be an invisible man living in the sky. It all seems a bit daft, don't you think?

That's my interpretation, anyhow.


- James.

[NYCin2009]

Are there no "angry" Christians, Buddhists or whatever?

Religion is very interesting, but an aspect of it that I don't like is that it is often used to classify and judge people. I don't think that being atheist means you are angry. Everyone is angry at times. What is important is that everyone is happy with whatever beliefs that may have and that they are willing to accept that not everyone agrees with them. Also, just because someone may not believe in an after life doesn't mean that they don't want to make good out of life and be happy. Christians critizing athiests beliefs is just as bad as athiests being mad at Christians for believing what they do.

I am not all that religious but consider myself to be christian.

[xKatt]

Over here in Great Britain, Atheism is rather common. At least where I am. My parents are certainly not religious, and neither am I Atheist to "Spite" them. I don't know anyone who is Atheist just to annoy their parents. They're that way because they don't believe in an entity. Let's face it, if they believed in it, I doubt they would deny it to annoy their parents, would they?

I'm not a particulary angry atheist. Although, I will tell you that one of the reasons some atheists might be angry, is because of religion itself. Some don't like the idea of people living their lives a certain way with various restriction because there might be an invisible man living in the sky. It all seems a bit daft, don't you think?

That's my interpretation, anyhow.
- James.

We were just talking about how Atheism is rampant in Europe in World Geo, haha. Sorry just had to say that.

Um... I wouldn't say I'm angry, but these are some contributing factors to why an Atheist might be "angry":

1) Everything is going wrong for them, so they feel God is being unjust to them and in turn hate or disblieve in God. Hate = anger.
2) They're Atheist to defy the mainstream, be rebellious or to stir controversy (these Atheists will later convert to a mainstream religion once they've been tormented enough by their peers). Controversy = anger.
3) They don't have faith in anything and don't have anything to fall back on or consult for help.

Yeah, Atheists tend to have a bad connotation. Like a believer versus a nonbeliever. Obviously the nonbeliever is left with a negative connotation. Not all Atheists are angry, but I've noticed that a lot of them are. And sometimes I wonder if they're angry because they're Atheist or they're Atheist because they're angry.

Interesting topic though.

[oxymrncparadx]

Personally, I once was an atheist and wasn't very angry. Well, not hateful angry. It just depends. I've seen people who were atheists and minded their own business and I've seen atheists who were pissed off at just seeing a church.

[bat19]

Dont forget that Christianity is very much on its way out. The reason I stopped "believing" was I realized that the way I thought about Christianity then is exactly how the Greeks thought of their religion, and then I thought of how crazy I figured that religion to be. That led me to research other religions such as Islamic and Indian religions. The once great religions of the past are now no more than fictitious fanciful stories, but to those who followed(most more adamantly than any christian alive today) these gods and goddesses were serious and they whole-heartedly believed in their wrath. Even most christians today dont think the old testament happened, they think it is just a book of stories to guide us through our lives, and in that sense they are right. But was there ever a man named moses who parted a sea? No, thats incredibly stupid. In the modern world where basically everyone lives in sin, even if they dont want to admit it, the stories of God and Jesus are being ripped apart by science and discovery. Was there ever a man named Jesus? Yes, thats been proven more than once. Could he do miracles though? No. And we as a people are slowly learning that fact, that we are alone in this world. But the possibilty of life elsewhere grows ever more realistic. Im not gonna flat out say there are aliens in spaceships and such, but it is a possibility and in my mind is an even greater possibility than an omnipotent invisible presence that holds the divine power of creation and destruction which he can use at a whim. Believe what you want, I wont look down on you. My best friends in life are christians, good for them. They have something to look forward to. I however try to make a paradise out of the life I live now.

[NoSex]

I'm the greatest, most "fervent", atheist I know...
I'm also the happiest person I know. Not too angry.
Not to mention, haven't any of you ever watched Sesame Street? "It ain't bad to be mad," mother f**kers. Anger is a natural and healthy human emotion: directed in an appropriate and meaningful manner it can be very useful and virtuous. You fail by assuming anger is inherently a bad and destructive emotion. Weak.

[MrStrife]

I think it depends on the person, not their faith. Sorry, I didn't mean to make it sound that close-minded.

[illriginal]

I'm the greatest, most "fervent", atheist I know...
I'm also the happiest person I know. Not too angry.
Not to mention, haven't any of you ever watched Sesame Street? "It ain't bad to be mad," mother f**kers. Anger is a natural and healthy human emotion: directed in an appropriate and meaningful manner it can be very useful and virtuous. You fail by assuming anger is inherently a bad and destructive emotion. Weak.

How about Monks? Monks don't express anger, but they could be angry/mad and just not express it visually. But then again, Tibetans teach that anger IS destructive.

And by your philosophy, Buddhists fail and they're weak as well... lol

But I would like to say, when I step into the middle of the ring full of atheist, I'm like Muhammad Ali, my strikes flow like a butterfly and sting like a bee. Thus causing Atheist to be furiously silly

[voguelove]

well, it depends on the question youre asking.

im atheist, and i would say...yes, im angry. i stopped believing in god or respecting the christian religion the day my mom committed suicide (i was 9). i knew the two reasons why she did it: because she was highly depressed, and because she wanted to be with god more than anything. she longed for heaven/god even more than she longed to be with her 9 year old child. im angry at "him" for taking the one important thing away from me. im angry at "him" for all my tortureous teen years. and i blame "him" for the relationship with my dad.

however, overall, my "hatred" towards religion isnt as harsh. i do hate when religious citizens criticize my decision. it's a decision and it's mine. respect it. i used to be really good friends with one of my neighbors..but once her parents found out i had no religious preference, they banner her from me. seriously, what am i going to do? not believing does not mean im a bad influence whatsoever.

[MrStrife]

Do you not have doubts about your higher power sometimes? A religion based on faith that was created thousands & thousands of years ago when the standard of living was ridiculous and nobody spoke their mind without fear of getting their heads chopped off. If a person went to church all his life and suddenly realized that the religion isn't what he believes in, but was what he was taught to believe since he was a child, I think that'd be reason enough to set someone off.

[MrStrife]

Do you not have doubts about your higher power sometimes? A religion based on faith that was created thousands & thousands of years ago when the standard of living was ridiculous and nobody spoke their mind without fear of getting their heads chopped off. If a person went to church all his life and suddenly realized that the religion isn't what he believes in, but was what he was taught to believe since he was a child, I think that'd be reason enough to set someone off.

sorry about double posting.

[sadolakced acid]

it all starts with fear.

[illriginal]

well, it depends on the question youre asking.

im atheist, and i would say...yes, im angry. i stopped believing in god or respecting the christian religion the day my mom committed suicide (i was 9). i knew the two reasons why she did it: because she was highly depressed, and because she wanted to be with god more than anything. she longed for heaven/god even more than she longed to be with her 9 year old child. im angry at "him" for taking the one important thing away from me. im angry at "him" for all my tortureous teen years. and i blame "him" for the relationship with my dad.

however, overall, my "hatred" towards religion isnt as harsh. i do hate when religious citizens criticize my decision. it's a decision and it's mine. respect it. i used to be really good friends with one of my neighbors..but once her parents found out i had no religious preference, they banner her from me. seriously, what am i going to do? not believing does not mean im a bad influence whatsoever.

Wait... so you're an atheist not because of science, but because you blame God for taking a family member from you? Damn.

1: There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was blameless and upright, one who feared God, and turned away from evil.

2: There were born to him seven sons and three daughters.

3: He had seven thousand sheep, three thousand camels, five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she-asses, and very many servants; so that this man was the greatest of all the people of the east.

4: His sons used to go and hold a feast in the house of each on his day; and they would send and invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them.

5: And when the days of the feast had run their course, Job would send and sanctify them, and he would rise early in the morning and offer burnt offerings according to the number of them all; for Job said, "It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts." Thus Job did continually.

6: Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.

7: The LORD said to Satan, "Whence have you come?" Satan answered the LORD, "From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it."

8: And the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil?"

9: Then Satan answered the LORD, "Does Job fear God for nought?

10: Hast thou not put a hedge about him and his house and all that he has, on every side? Thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land.

11: But put forth thy hand now, and touch all that he has, and he will curse thee to thy face."

12: And the LORD said to Satan, "Behold, all that he has is in your power; only upon himself do not put forth your hand." So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.

13: Now there was a day when his sons and daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house;

14: and there came a messenger to Job, and said, "The oxen were plowing and the asses feeding beside them;

15: and the Sabe'ans fell upon them and took them, and slew the servants with the edge of the sword; and I alone have escaped to tell you."

16: While he was yet speaking, there came another, and said, "The fire of God fell from heaven and burned up the sheep and the servants, and consumed them; and I alone have escaped to tell you."

17: While he was yet speaking, there came another, and said, "The Chalde'ans formed three companies, and made a raid upon the camels and took them, and slew the servants with the edge of the sword; and I alone have escaped to tell you."

18: While he was yet speaking, there came another, and said, "Your sons and daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house;

19: and behold, a great wind came across the wilderness, and struck the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young people, and they are dead; and I alone have escaped to tell you."

20: Then Job arose, and rent his robe, and shaved his head, and fell upon the ground, and worshiped.

21: And he said, "Naked I came from my mother's womb, and naked shall I return; the LORD gave, and the LORD has taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD."

22: In all this Job did not sin or charge God with wrong.

[illriginal]

it all starts with fear.

I fear God... and God only. No human nor object shall ever strike fear into my heart/mind.

[sadolakced acid]

and it ends with suffering.

[illriginal]

and it ends with suffering.

Explain your childish philosophy.
It starts with fear and ends in suffering. What starts with fear and what ends in suffering.

Actually nevermind, I don't care. At least the righteous will look forward to death and meeting with God sooner. After "suffering" comes death :)

[Joss-eh-lime]

the people i know that are truly angry associate themselves with different groups such as deism, atheism, and christianity

so, really i think the religous belief a person chooses has a little to do with how angry they are, but it mainly depends on each person's personal experience with religion and their own assumptions and ideas.

[illriginal]

the people i know that are truly angry associate themselves with different groups such as deism, atheism, and christianity

so, really i think the religous belief a person chooses has a little to do with how angry they are, but it mainly depends on each person their personal experience with religion and their own assumptions and ideas.

Well there's only two kinds of Atheist.
The faithless pussified humans who blame God for everything and anything that doesn't go their way because they think God is their servant of some sort. (no pun intended voguelove)

And the atheist who actually look at the human logic of things and see that there's no proof in their eyes that God exists.

[xKatt]

Well there's only two kinds of Atheist.
The faithless pussified humans who blame God for everything and anything that doesn't go their way because they think God is their servant of some sort. (no pun intended voguelove)

And the atheist who actually look at the human logic of things and see that there's no proof in their eyes that God exists.

Wait ... how can an Atheist blame God for everything and anything that doesn't go their way? A = no Theist = God. They don't believe in God. Period.

[illriginal]

Wait ... how can an Atheist blame God for everything and anything that doesn't go their way? A = no Theist = God. They don't believe in God. Period.

Uh... voguelove would fall into the atheist who blamed God for everything and anything etc... and became unfaithful/atheist.

Meaning at first the person was faithful and God loving or even wasn't so religious/agnostic. Something went bad one day or a series of events happened and they blamed God for all the negative things that had happened. Thus becoming an atheist out of spite.

It's not hard to understand my post, is it?

[xKatt]

Uh... voguelove would fall into the atheist who blamed God for everything and anything etc... and became unfaithful/atheist.

Meaning at first the person was faithful and God loving or even wasn't so religious/agnostic. Something went bad one day or a series of events happened and they blamed God for all the negative things that had happened. Thus becoming an atheist out of spite.

It's not hard to understand my post, is it?

Ah, got it.

Can't someone be a combination of the both?

[illriginal]

Ah, got it.

Can't someone be a combination of the both?

Of course, they go from faithful to faithless, then at some point of their life they'll start to study religion and science and see that science has a logic (human at that) of which denies the existence of God.

[uninspiredfae]

The righteous do not fear death, but one do not need religion to be righteous.

[illriginal]

The righteous do not fear death, but one do not need religion to be righteous.

lol who said anything bout religion?

I don't get it, is there a series of letters you guys are decoding in my posts that mentions religion(s) somewhere in my post and I don't realize it? What's with the religious conspiracy?

Those who have faith and devote their lives to the almighty creator, the all merciful, the father of all that exists, the King of Kings... are righteous.

[uninspiredfae]

What?

[illriginal]

What?

Nothin, it's not important, trust me.

[uninspiredfae]

Oh, okay.

[sadolakced acid]

Explain your childish philosophy.
It starts with fear and ends in suffering. What starts with fear and what ends in suffering.

Actually nevermind, I don't care. At least the righteous will look forward to death and meeting with God sooner. After "suffering" comes death :)

a wise man once said:
"Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."

that's how it starts with fear and ends with suffering.
this is no mere childish philosophy.

[illriginal]

Oh, okay.

Are you familiar with, "George Ivanovich Gurdjieff"? Or "P.D.Ouspensky"?
Two books to read: "In Search Of The Miraculous" and "Meetings With A Remarkable Man"

You'll find out how interesting err... complicated I am, it's a good place to start

And I understand you don't have much time to read because of Law. My girl's in the same situation, she'll be going to Law school in 1 year, and she's already trying to get ahead of the game.

a wise man once said:
"Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."

that's how it starts with fear and ends with suffering.
this is no mere childish philosophy.

Oh my... you're quoting Yoda? Just a quick question though:
Who or what is in fear, and of what?
Who or what is angered, and why?
And who or what is led to hatred, and why?

Hurry before I the path of the Darkside consumes me!!!

[voguelove]

Wait... so you're an atheist not because of science, but because you blame God for taking a family member from you? Damn.

And the atheist who actually look at the human logic of things and see that there's no proof in their eyes that God exists.

well, theres obviously some sort of information that i left out of my post. and yes, i'd have to agree with your second quote more than i do with your first.

not only have i had 8 years to think about this incident, but i've also dug deeper and found myself believing only because i dont think there's anything to believe.

personally, im forced to believe that "what can be touched, or seen is real." have i seen this "god?" no. has "he" helped others, maybe?" yes. but i havent seen it.

also, it makes no sense to say that "he" created the heavens and the earth in 7 days. didnt scientists already research that topic and say it couldnt be done? maybe if those 7 days stood for something else (thousands of years) could it have happened. and obviously..thats called evolution. nonetheless, it definitely makes much more sense to say that we evolved from apes than to say that all of us come from WHITE parents. and yes, ive been told from a particular CBer that adam and eve had some sort of magic hidden up their sleeves with the ability to have children from other races. uhh, bs? if that could happen in the past, why doesnt it happen again? has there even been a time in moden day when a woman delievers a baby of a totally difference race than who she is or who the father is? mm, not that i know of.

[uninspiredfae]

It shames me to admit that I do not read much outside of the authors I've previously mentioned because I want to go through all of their works before moving on. Even then, I haven't finished reading. I try not to just read one aspect or their philosophy, I try to get the bigger picture. Take Nietzche, for example, I've only perused Anti-Christ and Good and Evil and we both know he's written more than that. I tend to study the writers themselves by reading the works, more so then study their beliefs by reading them. Because from my experience, their main points isn't to tell us what to think or how to process our thoughts, they simply give (and convince us that there is) a different perspective on what to think and how to process. Period. A "higher man" would be able to think for himself, not let someone else think for him. I would read more to move on to the authors you suggested, but time doesn't allow much.

[illriginal]

personally, im forced to believe that "what can be touched, or seen is real." have i seen this "god?" no. has "he" helped others, maybe?" yes. but i havent seen it.

I fully understand, God reveals to us in many different manners/ways, many of them we don't realize. You'll know when one day you have something sort of an epiphany and you just drop down to your knees and thank God for opening all your eyes. In my case, this is what happened to me.

also, it makes no sense to say that "he" created the heavens and the earth in 7 days. didnt scientists already research that topic and say it couldnt be done? maybe if those 7 days stood for something else (thousands of years) could it have happened. and obviously..thats called evolution. nonetheless, it definitely makes much more sense to say that we evolved from apes than to say that all of us come from WHITE parents.

Well it's funny you mention the Thousands of years lol. Because from my belief it is claimed that 1 Day to God is a 1000 years.

Well the thing is, religion and atheist are stubborn. Because for some reason, they cannot fathom the idea that creation and evolution coexists. There has to be a creator, because without the creation of some sort of object, there couldn't be existence of anything. Things just don't happen unless it was created and designed to do so.

Who exactly was white? Adam and Eve wasn't the first people on this Earth. They were the first people with a God they recognized. The purpose of Adam and Eve was to procreate a race of humans of which followed the Laws of God and Nature.
The latest discoveries was of giant human-like bones 10-16 feet tall and almost twice the width of modern day humans skeletons, here's some existing proof and I'll source of course:




Source: http://paranormal.about.com/od/mysteriousr.../a/aa060605.htm
http://biblefacts.org/myth/giant.html

7+ Feet Tall Human Skeletons
Source: http://www.stevequayle.com/Giants/N.Am/New....of.giants.html


Source: http://www.burlingtonnews.net/giantsb.html

Many more sources of discoveries:
Source: http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Lagoon/1345/giants.html
http://www.theaaca.com/membersbios/bio_cain4.htm

A Highly Reputable Source In Science; Topic - Little People Civilization:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sciencenow/3209/01-ask.html

This is also a good read:
http://www.stevequayle.com/books/gen6cover.html

The point I'm making is, that people misunderstand the Bible, Qur'an, Torah, etc... And it's not their fault. When you purchase a book, you most likely know the genre of the book. Such as fiction, non-fiction, Philosophy, etc...

The Holy Books are non-fictional, but they're written in parables, riddle-like, with a lot of symbolism.

and yes, ive been told from a particular CBer that adam and eve had some sort of magic hidden up their sleeves with the ability to have children from other races. uhh, bs? if that could happen in the past, why doesnt it happen again? has there even been a time in moden day when a woman delievers a baby of a totally difference race than who she is or who the father is? mm, not that i know of.

Heh this argument is cute, my lil cousin once asked a similar question (no offense to you of course). Remember how I mentioned Intelligent By Design/creation and evolution coexists? Well here's the simple answer to your different races and different languages. Evolution.
For example, here's one source which explains the Evolution of Skin types and skin color: http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/doi/ab...3.070203.143955

Remember people have the freewill to move to any part of the world where other people already exist, with different traits, those who are naturally selected to adapt with their environment (the big picture, their region)

So lets say family A. moved to the region of what is now called Africa, and family B. stayed in their part of the region which is now the Middle East. Both families are of the same traits (Adam And Eve).

After 100's even thousands of years family A. would have evolved from having Middle Eastern traits to having either a mixture of Middle Eastern and African traits.
While family B. who never left their region, were already naturally selected to adapt to their environment/region, so their traits never change.

Also keep in mind there was already different languages. Because the people who derived from Adam and Eve, the God lovers, they all spoke 1 language. They looked the same (until evolution stepped in). But then there was the "human-like people (not exactly human but had similar human traits), that already existed prior to the creation of Adam and Eve. The people who were not of Adam and Eve already evolved to have different traits from other regions of the world, and especially different from the blood line of Adam and Eve.

But Language then split up even more. During the time of when the people (the people who derived from Adam And Eve) of Babylon were building the Tower of Babel (The Gate Of God) God came down and punished the people by changing their language and confusing them. Causing them to panic and scatter about.

So only those who had the same language would unite and procreate a civilization of which would have the same physical human traits (Adam And Eve traits).

Biblical/Scientific study: http://www.ldolphin.org/babel.html

Now we have 1,600 languages I believe? I'm not certain. So that should answer your post, you can ask me anything else and I'll try my best to answer it.

And don't worry, I'm not tryin to convert you, just tryin to get you to see a different reality/perspective, using both Creation and Evolution

[kimmytree]

^

Also keep in mind there was already different languages. Because the people who derived from Adam and Eve, the God lovers, they all spoke 1 language. They looked the same (until evolution stepped in). But then there was the "human-like people (not exactly human but had similar human traits), that already existed prior to the creation of Adam and Eve. The people who were not of Adam and Eve already evolved to have different traits from other regions of the world, and especially different from the blood line of Adam and Eve.

Woah, so you're saying that a different species of man existed prior to Adam and Eve? Is that just a theory of yours, or is that what you actually believe?

So are you assuming that creation took place over a period of thousands/millions of years instead of 6 days? And that the other species was first here prior to the "6th day"? Interesting.

[xKatt]

God's days = 1000 human years? Didn't I hear that somewhere?

Sorry if this is irrelevent. I think this whole topic is going astray from the initial question: Are Atheists angry?

[sadolakced acid]

Are they afraid?

Because if they were, then we could rightly conclude that they are angry.

However, it doesn't appear that way to me. To me, it is the theist that is afraid of either god, or the afterlife.

that makes the theist angry. Which leads to their hatred of atheists. And the suffering of atheists.

[datass]

I'm atheist, and I'm generally happy without thinking much about religion and God.

[illriginal]

Are they afraid?

Because if they were, then we could rightly conclude that they are angry.

However, it doesn't appear that way to me. To me, it is the theist that is afraid of either god, or the afterlife.

that makes the theist angry. Which leads to their hatred of atheists. And the suffering of atheists.

Well what do Atheist generally feel when they believe there's no afterlife, it's just pitch black nothingness for eternity? Who knows.. I don't even know what Atheist believe if there's no afterlife.

Do they believe in ghosts? or Uhm... reincarnation?

[xKatt]

Well what do Atheist generally feel when they believe there's no afterlife, it's just pitch black nothingness for eternity? Who knows.. I don't even know what Atheist believe if there's no afterlife.

Do they believe in ghosts? or Uhm... reincarnation?

Atheists don't believe in God. Beliefs in the afterlife, ghosts, reincarnation, all that depends on the person. Atheism isn't a unified religion, so you can't say all Atheists believe one thing or another.

[illriginal]

Atheists don't believe in God. Beliefs in the afterlife, ghosts, reincarnation, all that depends on the person. Atheism isn't a unified religion, so you can't say all Atheists believe one thing or another.

Ah so atheist don't believe in God, but they may believe in an afterlife, reincarnation, ghosts etc... am I understanding this right?

[kimmytree]

Well what do Atheist generally feel when they believe there's no afterlife, it's just pitch black nothingness for eternity? Who knows.. I don't even know what Atheist believe if there's no afterlife.

Do they believe in ghosts? or Uhm... reincarnation?

You must not know much about religion then.

Most believe we just cease to exist. I dont think that's anything to be afraid of.

[illriginal]

You must not know much about religion then.

Most believe we just cease to exist. I dont think that's anything to be afraid of.

Naw I just see atheist existing trying to prove a point against anything that seems religious, such as ghosts/spirits/souls, reincarnation, and afterlife etc... all of these are in conjunction with religion/God.

Or am I wrong, since I must not know much about religion?

Wait... why did you even say that? That I must not know much about religion, that didn't even make sense it had no relations to what you quoted.

[kimmytree]

^ I was being somewhat sarcastic. But I've never heard of someone thinking/wondering if Atheists believe in Reincarnation or not. I wasnt trying to insult your intelligence or anything.

[xKatt]

You must not know much about religion then.

Most believe we just cease to exist. I dont think that's anything to be afraid of.

Tamacracker had a good question. I don't see how asking it would mean that he didn't know much about religion. And as much as I hate to say it, he does know a lot.

And just so you know, Buddhism is atheistic in that they don't believe in a God at all, only symbolic gods. But they also believe in reincarnation (cycle of Samsara), so if you were trying to get at Atheists believing only that they rot in the ground, you're wrong...

I think people are saying Atheism describes an entire religion. Actually, you can be Atheist and Taoist or Atheist and Confucianist. Atheist is just a word that means you don't believe in a God.

[illriginal]

Tamacracker had a good question. I don't see how asking it would mean that he didn't know much about religion. And as much as I hate to say it, he does know a lot.

And just so you know, Buddhism is atheistic in that they don't believe in a God at all, only symbolic gods. But they also believe in reincarnation (cycle of Samsara), so if you were trying to get at Atheists believing only that they rot in the ground, you're wrong...

I think people are saying Atheism describes an entire religion. Actually, you can be Atheist and Taoist or Atheist and Confucianist. Atheist is just a word that means you don't believe in a God.

Oh I understand Atheist don't believe in God, I just thought they didn't believe in God and religion or anything associated with them, such as Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Astrology, etc...
Thought Atheist's religion would have been philosophy and science if anything.

But I just learned a new thing :P
thanks for the knowledge!

[illriginal]

^ I was being somewhat sarcastic. But I've never heard of someone thinking/wondering if Atheists believe in Reincarnation or not. I wasnt trying to insult your intelligence or anything.

I'm very detailed oriented, I must know everything of everything as much as humanly possible. My mind is meant for something more than sexual thoughts, who's the best actor, who's the best musician etc.. I don't like having an idle mind, or a mind full of useless thoughts. Useless meaning it has nothing to do with my personal life in order to advance.

[sadolakced acid]

aren't we special.

anyways; are atheists afraid?

[*Flair*]

I actually think that believers are the angry ones. They insult you for not believing in God and whatnot. Atheists, Agnostics ... aren't afraid, we're happy people.

[illriginal]

aren't we special.

anyways; are atheists afraid?

Yep I guess so, once you become a mature adult, you'll see what's really important, wishfully at least.

[Simba]

I actually think that believers are the angry ones. They insult you for not believing in God and whatnot. Atheists, Agnostics ... aren't afraid, we're happy people.

Yeah, it could go both ways.

I know kids who's moms won't let your hang out with them if you're not Christian. Or they get disappointed at you or something.

And then I there are probably atheists out there that get annoyed.

[uninspiredfae]

Yep I guess so, once you become a mature adult, you'll see what's really important, wishfully at least.

What does becoming an adult has to do with this?

[xKatt]

Yep I guess so, once you become a mature adult, you'll see what's really important, wishfully at least.

"What's really important" doesn't always include religion...

"What's really important" (at least to me) = education, money, family, friends, reaching my personal goals.

And as for "Are Atheists angry?" or "Are Atheists afraid?", stop generalising. One Atheist might be afraid and one Atheist might not. It's like if I said:

Bikers are rough.

One biker might rob stores and get in fights when another one lives with his parents and cries whenever he watches animal rescue shows on Animal Planet. And then both go to the bar at 11 at night and get smashed where you're sitting there thinking "I better not mess with that guy!"

Sure there's some Atheists that are angry with their life, so they stop believing in God, but then there's your regular old neighbor who's a counselor of the girl scout troupe and head of the PTA who's perfectly content with a life without God.

[illriginal]

"What's really important" doesn't always include religion...

"What's really important" (at least to me) = education, money, family, friends, reaching my personal goals.

Eeek... where do you guys keep seeing me post something about religion? xKatt, this is what I was speakin of importance:

I'm very detailed oriented, I must know everything of everything as much as humanly possible. My mind is meant for something more than sexual thoughts, who's the best actor, who's the best musician etc.. I don't like having an idle mind, or a mind full of useless thoughts. Useless meaning it has nothing to do with my personal life in order to advance.

See... nothing about religion lol
Just expanding your mind for the sake of your wisdom, that's all.

[sadolakced acid]

Yep I guess so, once you become a mature adult, you'll see what's really important, wishfully at least.

well, once you become one, you let me know how that turns out, alright?

[NoSex]

well, once you become one, you let me know how that turns out, alright?

Oh, shit! Ka-Boom!

[illriginal]

well, once you become one, you let me know how that turns out, alright?

Don't worry I already have been... you're just too retardedly (yes made up word just for you) immature to realize it.

[Simba]

OK, and we'll end that discussion on that note...

[voguelove]

theres a special about hell on abc's 20/20 next friday.


i thought it looked interesting.

[uninspiredfae]

Do you get a rush calling people uneducated, immature.... the likes?

[NoSex]

Do you get a rush calling people uneducated, immature.... the likes?

No, I think it's just his roids.

[illriginal]

Do you get a rush calling people uneducated, immature.... the likes?

Nah. It's comedy relief. Like the person right above me.. that person makes me laugh with a lot of their posts.

[*ersatz*]

Difference is, guy above you is funny.

[illriginal]

Difference is, guy above you is funny.

And that I agree with.

[Spirited Away]

Nah. It's comedy relief. Like the person right above me.. that person makes me laugh with a lot of their posts.

Interesting. You'd laugh at the expense of another... in a debate. No wonder many of these folks don't take you seriously.

[illriginal]

Interesting. You'd laugh at the expense of another... in a debate. No wonder many of these folks don't take you seriously.

Who cares, I don't. Out of everyone here, Arjuna is truly the only one I respect. Everyone else needs to catch up. And yes... a lot of the times I laugh at the expense of another, in a debate. A lot of times I wonder if these kids are smoking crack.

[*Mercy*]

Can we get back on topic please.


I really hate pulling out the beating stick again...

[xKatt]

Be respectful please.

^ In topic title.

[Spirited Away]

Ah well, it's only fair if you do... all the others are wondering if you're smoking something, too.

Back on topic? Is there anything else we should talk about that hasn't been said? *shrugs*

[CrotchetTheLeper]

Yes, atheists are spiteful people who have no meaning in their imaginary-God-less lives.
-_-"

Personally, I found that kinda offensive.

I am an atheist.
I was raised as a Roman Catholic, but there were many many times in my life (even as a very young child) that I doubted what the Church thought me.

I remember being six years old, and learning a lot about god in CCD. I would come home at night and read the bible and pray before bed, because I thought that if I wasn't "holy enough" for "God Almighty", I would be killed in my sleep, or just be punished by God someday, somehow. Everyone told me that god was forgiving, but I was young and didn't understand things fully.

Basically, I was scared into being "good and holy" because of religion.

Looking back, those were probably some of the most mentally traumatic times in my life; I was afraid of hell, afraid of the afterlife, I thought so much about death that it actually sent me into a form of depression.

As I grew older, I learned more about science; the earth, the sun, the universe, evolution, biology...
I found much more joy and amazement in these things than I ever had with Religion. Religion seemed so old fashioned, so naive, so... Ignorant. So I kinda gave up on it for a while.

Then, last summer, I spent my vacation out in Yellowstone National Park & the Deserts in Utah... And I guess you could say I was "enlightened".

I really got to see, for the first time in my life, some of the most insane, spectacular and powerful forces of nature. I really came to see & understand how truly insignificant humans were on this planet. We've been existing on this earth for merely a blip in time. We're so small, so... Irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

& Maybe some people find that to be sad. I don't know. Maybe it makes some poeple angry; maybe that's why people think "atheists are angry".

All I know is, the thought that I was just a microscopic blip in the grand scheme of things - comforted me.

There was no mistake that I could make that would alter the universe. There was nothing that I could (or would) do to damn me to an eternal hell. I wasn't that important. Why was I so special?

And this made me happy. I was at peace. I felt free. I could just be myself, go with the flow, and not have to worry about things so much.

So, no. I am an atheist, but I am not angry at the world.

I love the world & the universe and everything else out there more than any ancient religion that a human could try and shove down my throat.

Basically, I don't believe that Humans could possibly understand the way everything works. They couldn't possibly come close to understanding any god, or any other great power.

We are small. We know very little. We need to just go with it and try to take care of what we have.

[xKatt]

Yes, atheists are spiteful people who have no meaning in their imaginary-God-less lives.
-_-"

I really hope that you were being sarcastic or facetious or something.

Otherwise, I've just lost a shitload of respect for you.

[*ersatz*]

She was being SO BLATANTLY sarcastic. See the little emoticon guy? He's frustrated at the people who ACTUALLY think that.

Loosen your panties, people.

[xKatt]

She was being SO BLATANTLY sarcastic. See the little emoticon guy? He's frustrated at the people who ACTUALLY think that.

Loosen your panties, people.

Ook, cool. It's hard to tell over the internet. I read peoples' facial expressions and tone of voice.