Has anyone else ever felt this way? Options

[stay infinite]

Personally, I'm usually pretty forgiving. I forgive and move on but when something ends up being a bit unfair and some people start to act really biased towards others and not keep it equal is when I get in the middle of things.

I've always really noticed how some staff members take advantage of being on staff. How they can do anything but go back and yell at someone for doing the same thing they just did or punish the person for doing it; Or how they can go against the rules and then the other staff members see it and never bother to say something because of the fear of getting torn to shreds or even members afraid of saying anything because they know it will never go through and just be solved.

I don't know who all has ever been punished for name calling or have a good talking to about sarcastic and comments that weren't necessary but I know plenty have.

Well just in the past day I've had these comments:


Oh and have you ever kind of had one of those semi conversations in the anonymous shout outs and then have some mod come and break it up because it was against the rules and then go back and see that they as well had conversations in there?

Example:
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...3908&st=150




I'm all about equality and when thats not happening then its not fair. Of course mods have more abilities and responsibilities on this site but there is no reason that they should get away with breaking the rules. I'm sure I could find more examples if I looked hard enough but those are just recent things that were easy to find.

Anyone agree?

[*WHIMSICAL 0NE*]

I honestly don't think the things he said are that bad. James can be blunt, but it's not like he was saying profane things. While it doesn't set a great example, it's not really bashing as it more him stating his opinion. Saying that he doesn't care isn't member bashing in my opinion

[stay infinite]

^Exactly, everyone keeps saying "oh thats just James" but everyone knows regular members would have been looked at differently.

[*Duchess of Dork*]

Yes, that definitely needs to be toned down.

[stay infinite]

So whats going to be done about it?


I really don't mean to bring up so many bad points to you all, I just find them and think that this should all be done and treated equally. If I come off that I've really had some attitude or hatred towards the staff, I really don't. I care about this place just as much as you all and I don't want to see it fall apart.

[radhikaeatsraman]

^And what are we going to do about this?

To solve this problem, we could allow members to report staff members that are acting up to administrators, since admins can warn/suspend everyone if need be. The reporting system would allow the admin(s) to look into the situation without everyone taking advantage of it.

[*WHIMSICAL 0NE*]

Just 'cause he's staff doesn't mean he speaks for ALL the staff. The same rules should apply for staff as they do for members...

[stay infinite]

^Thats what I was saying in my first post Deary

^^Rawtheekuh - You know as much as I would love for that to work, I just have this feeling like it won't. Maybe its because I don't really trust the current admins.

[*WHIMSICAL 0NE*]

Gotta have a little faith. My post was more in response to rawtheekuh's post. Obviously, the admins wouldn't be admins if everyone didn't trust them.

[stay infinite]

Thats not really true, everyone has secrets. And personally I don't trust them and I mean you can't say everyone trusts Rebecca its not like the community picked her to be the new admins, Mona said she could have her place. Same goes for Kiera so Rebecca doesn't feel hurt or anything.

[*WHIMSICAL 0NE*]

I didn't say that everyone trusts her. -Shrugs- I've never had an issue with her, so I don't have a reason to not trust her.

[stay infinite]

Gotta have a little faith. My post was more in response to rawtheekuh's post. Obviously, the admins wouldn't be admins if everyone didn't trust them.

Maybe I took it the wrong way?

[*disco infiltrator*]

I disagree with implementing a moderator warning system. Moderators shouldn't need to be warned because they shouldn't do anything to warrant a slap on the wrist.

[stay infinite]

^So what happens when they do?

[*disco infiltrator*]

Admins tell them not to, if they do it again slightly (if they do the same thing again then fire), they are severely watched and told off, do it again, fired. I'm all for stricter mod requirements, but that might be just me...

[*WHIMSICAL 0NE*]

Maybe I took it the wrong way?

Meaning that there's obviously at least one person who thought that they would do good as an admin.

[stay infinite]

Nah at this point, it was down to two people to get the pick and with some hidden secrets and confusion with in the staff and stuff I think it just played out like it did.

Admins tell them not to, if they do it again slightly (if they do the same thing again then fire), they are severely watched and told off, do it again, fired. I'm all for stricter mod requirements, but that might be just me...

Okay so why wasn't something this simple being done before? Thats like the Admins job is to watch the other staff members.

[*Duchess of Dork*]

Thats not really true, everyone has secrets. And personally I don't trust them and I mean you can't say everyone trusts Rebecca its not like the community picked her to be the new admins, Mona said she could have her place. Same goes for Kiera so Rebecca doesn't feel hurt or anything.

Not hurt and I'm not touching your "trust" comment because you have every right to feel the way feel, regardless of whether or not anyone has actually deserved any type of mistrust.

To get back on point though, this has been brought up, yet again and people will be held responsible and held to the same standard as anyone else in the Community as far as rules are concerned.

Thanks for your feedback. :]

[Simba]

I disagree with implementing a moderator warning system. Moderators shouldn't need to be warned because they shouldn't do anything to warrant a slap on the wrist.

^So what happens when they do?

Ok, this is strictly theory, but it seems as if the moderators get an extra stretch when they do something questionable. After all, demotion is a rather big deal. You don't want to feel like you're demoting something for something as small as spamming. However, it seems the motto these days is "we're humans too, and also prone to mistakes," and that everything is an excusable mistake these days.

[*disco infiltrator*]

Was that a suggestion, or were you trying to say that's what happens?

Suggestion, cause like...no one really gets "fired". They just step down. I think only one person has ever really been fired for acting up consistently.

[stay infinite]

Ok, this is strictly theory, but it seems as if the moderators get an extra stretch when they do something questionable. After all, demotion is a rather big deal. You don't want to feel like you're demoting something for something as small as spamming. However, it seems the motto these days is "we're humans too, and also prone to mistakes," and that everything is an excusable mistake these days.

Okay so the regular members shouldn't be punished, because I mean HEY were all humans and we make mistakes.


^I was put on leave for a month? And I probably wouldn't have been but from talking to people recently it was the poor communication.

[Simba]

Sure.

I'm not suggesting anything at all. It was a mere observation + theory.

[stay infinite]

Yep I know AC, and thanks for it

[Spirited Away]

I'm sorry (not really), but people take things too seriously. Why must other moderators or administrators get involved with personal problems one member/mod have with another member/mod? Since when did cB moderators become your mother, "fighting your fight for you"? This is not even a fight, it's one person's feelings getting hurt somehow (most likely, he/she's not innocent either) and using the other's moderator's status as leverage to throw them down. If moderators cannot see this, then for shame!


Okay, I don't know what the hell's going on here, but unless that mod is saying "I'm using my modly powers/status to hurt your feelings", then keep the fact that they're a mod out of it. Don't use it as an excuse. Just because they're a mod doesn't mean they can't be sarcastic or be mean to someone if that someone's deserving.

Being "people staff" doesn't mean you have to be everyone's best friend, damn it.

[*Podomaht*]

hello, everyone.

[stay infinite]

^Ello

Being "people staff" doesn't mean you have to be everyone's best friend, damn it.

yea, I'm well aware of that. But if they don't have to abide by the rules then I don't see why members do or why the moderators have to have their own set of rules too if they can just sit back and break them.

[Spirited Away]

^Ello
yea, I'm well aware of that. But if they don't have to abide by the rules then I don't see why members do or why the moderators have to have their own set of rules too if they can just sit back and break them.

That's very true, but such a problem can be solve so easily.

Rules are meant to be broken, and they will be broken faster than you can sneeze when those rules are shoved down everyone's throats. I'm not condoning that cB should forgo rules/guidelines, no, I am saying that everyone is smart enough (or should be smart enough) to use his/her discretion. When this is realized but a member or a moderator is still being a jerk, then demote him/her or warning, whatever.

What rules were being violated here? Member bashing or spam (iono)? For the sake of reminding me the guidelines, will someone define for me what member bashing is to cB?

[stay infinite]

it says something but I do remember name calling as one thing. And its like yea its really easy Spirited Away (Name please? ) but its like I don't really think the staff has it to really fire someone its never really happen.

I think that should happen though, and its sounds like a simple solution and better then PMing the admins.

[Spirited Away]

Hi, my name's Christy. (Yes, I said it people...=) inside joke)... a/k/a Fae, a/k/a Fae Fae, a/k/a uninspiredfae.

From what I understand, cB had fired staff before and not to mention it has "forced" a number of staff out of their positions. If those with the power to make decisions do not make decisions as their job requires, then how are they in the position to do so? This is a general, even hypothetical question, if you want, that's not directed towards anyone. How are violations being judged anyway? If a moderator is being mean according to a couple of people personally don't like him/her, that isn't fair punishment. This is where discretion comes in.

I forgot what my poin was or what the topic is... sorry for going off tangent folks.

[*Intercourse.*]

Nice to meet you Christy

Well then what should they do if discretion comes in?

[Spirited Away]

Hi there.

What is the question? As in, what should who do in what situation that requires discretion?

I will try to use my discretion to present a solution. Decisions based on discretions are not paved in cement so... to each his own.

[*Intercourse.*]

^haha no I just meant like should situations like that where the person doesn't like the other person and goes as far as breaking the rules should they still get punished for the rules they break even if its some personal issue?

[Spirited Away]

Oh, good question.

If this were two members, I suppose it makes sense that mods encourage them to work out their personal issues outside of cB or in private, but not force them either, because moderators are not meant to be tyrants unless the situation is that dire.

If the situation is still personal, and one is a moderator and one is a member, then why is a mod is the one being scrutenized when the other member is equally guilty? Shouldn't other moderators still use the same discretion mentioned prior to be fair? Just because one's a mod shouldn't mean he/she's a paragon of virtue.


Hell, if that's the case then no one should be a mod... haha. (i'm trying to entertain myself here... ignore this and the previous sentence).

[*Intercourse.*]

No since in apologizing, everyone needs a good laugh once in a while

Yea I agree with what your saying. The staff did come to a point where people needed to work out their problems but I guess it never really worked out. It worked out some things but not all of the things. People pick and choose who they dislike around here which is kind of weird.

But hmm I don't know what else to say anymore, I think that sleep is starting to take over me.



[Oh I don't know if you noticed but I'm the create yourself too, this account was banned so I had to get it unbanned.]

[Spirited Away]

Oh... haha. okay... i wondered where that person went. gotcha.

sleep is the last thing i want to do, but the first thing i need to do.. i have a long work day tomorrow. thanks for reminding me.

I completely understand that there are personal issues involved here. Some problems are just not meant to be worked out. These problems are good for cB though, because a "community driven site" shouldn't be one without problems and with everyone happy all the time (that's just creepy). Problems make people appreciate each other more, and if not each other, then the people around them. Only when it goes too far should moderators get involved though.

[*Intercourse.*]

^Completely agree.

Sorry for reminding you of your day tomorrow Hope you make it the best possible.

[Spirited Away]

Haha we all must face reality some time, mine is now. Thanks.

Goodnight.

[*I Viddy Horrorshow*]

I agree that mods should be held to the same standards as members.

However, nothing I said was anything I would have given a verbal warning for. Especially in that context.

The issue isn't to do with whether or not I'm a mod. That's a pointless example. It's whether or not those two comments would have been warn worthy at all. Which they weren't.

[misoshiru]

It's not like James hasn't talked like that since the beginning, how many years ago? Shouldn't something like this be brought up in Mod Performance anyways?

[*Intercourse.*]

Uh well I talked to another mod about it and they said it was good enough to just make a topic.

[*relaxdontrelapse*]

well i think they were wrong because it wasn't warranted for its own topic, nor is it anything that is that big of a deal. so he called you a name. if josh did this, like he did to others when he was here, you'd be standing beside him saying it's not a big deal. move on. whether you hate james because of what he said or not, move on. you shouldn't get mad over things that the boyfriend you defend so much used to do.

[*Intercourse.*]

uhm actually I really never defended Josh.
What Josh did on here was his problem not mine.

[*relaxdontrelapse*]

i guess i saw things differently