MOD WARNING SYSTEM Options

[*kryogenix*]

I have been a victim of moderator abuse TWICE (three times if you count the one I'm bringing up about the cosplay thread) now only recently.

I think there should be a mod warning system in place, where users can vote against a moderator's action and then once they abuse their powers to a certain point, they get kicked off the team.

Cause I'm sick of it.

[*Podomaht*]

I'm at 20% on my warning, bitches!


-edit

Arjuna would be the first to go.

[Simba]

You know, as much as you guys dislike the current set of moderators, I'm surprised you guys haven't posted in Moderator Performance all that much.

[*kryogenix*]

I dunno, I think after the bajillionth time of saying the mods make the internet serious business, I gave up on being direct.

[*Podomaht*]

You know, as much as you guys dislike the current set of moderators, I'm surprised you guys haven't posted in Moderator Performance all that much.

The picture in your signature is extremely annoyingly large.

Setting the shutter speed to low and then putting it in black and white with text all over the place does not make it artistic in anyway. Stop.

[HakunaMatata]

The Feedback forum is what protesting warnings are for, but we do ask the users to bring specific evidence that the warning was not warranted.

A voting system, though, would simply become a popularity vote in which the warned will gather up a bunch of friends to vote against the moderator. If the mod is clearly and continually abusing his or her powers, I'm sure one of the Head Staff or Admins would take notice.

[*Podomaht*]

20%, bitches!

[*kryogenix*]

The Feedback forum is what protesting warnings are for, but we do ask the users to bring specific evidence that the warning was not warranted.

A voting system, though, would simply become a popularity vote in which the warned will gather up a bunch of friends to vote against the moderator. If the mod is clearly and continually abusing his or her powers, I'm sure one of the Head Staff or Admins would take notice.

OBVIOUSLY they're not taking notice. And wouldn't a popular vote make more sense, because the mods can just be friends with the admin and headstaff, so there's only a few votes, versus potentially hundreds of votes.

Here's evidence where I was abused, you guys acknowledged it.

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=173301
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=174209

The third abuse is being contested, and I will win again.

[Simba]

You know, as two ex-mods, I really would think that you guys would handle this better than you are now.

You two have first hand experience of what it's like to be a moderator "back then." You guys always talk about how horrible this generation of moderators are and how much better the moderators were back then.

So guys, how did you do it? And don't give me a garbage answer like "by not having our panties so twisted."


James, I'm going to have to say that you should be cleared in all the cases you've mentioned. (The second should matter much, though. That was a mere misunderstanding.)

[*Podomaht*]

I tend not to be so uptight with the rules on closing threads, because I try to understand the OP instead of closing it and acting hardcore demonstrating my awesome click powers.

That's one thing.

Ask me more, grasshopper; and I will teach thee the art of not having your panties in a bunch.

[*kryogenix*]

How many misunderstandings am I going to be involved in until you guys get it right?

How I'd do it? No, that's not what this topic is about, stop trying to derail the discussion. Otherwise I'd have to give you a spam warning.

[*Podomaht*]

How many misunderstandings am I going to be involved in until you guys get it right?

How I'd do it? No, that's not what this topic is about, stop trying to derail the discussion. Otherwise I'd have to give you a spam warning.

omfg pwnt.

here's where arjuna posts a stupid forum picture, trying to be witty.

[Simba]

How many misunderstandings am I going to be involved in until you guys get it right?

How I'd do it? No, that's not what this topic is about, stop trying to derail the discussion. Otherwise I'd have to give you a spam warning.

You know, James, at this point I suggest you do individual critiques of the current moderators rather than generalizing us. Maybe I'm speaking for myself, but I've honestly been trying to understand you guys. Why do you think I practically testified for you in the case of your warning?

If you genuinely cared about the leadership of createBlog, I would think you would have done more while you were a moderator the last time around and try to directly improve the staff rather than complaining about it all the time.

[*kryogenix*]

I led by example.

'Nuff said.

[*Duchess of Dork*]

I would REALLY like to hear someone besides you two (kryogenix and Podomaht) provide some feedback.

Don't take this the wrong way, but it's as if it's becoming the kryogenix and Podomaht show.

Please, if other cB Members have issues, PLEASE give feedback.

We are imperfect human beings doing the best job we can. I honestly don't see anyone else giving us this much criticism other than you two. Mostly Kryo and Podomaht jumping in on his behalf (which isn't an insult, by the way, just an observation).

Criticism in bulk given by one person doesn't make the criticism more profound. We get that you don't like the staff. We get that you don't like how we handle things.

In addition to what Suzzette has said, I honestly don't know what else you want from us.

[*kryogenix*]

If a moderator was really getting out of hand, the Admins and Head Staff would put a stop to it before they started really "abusing their powers". It HAS been done before.

Then why isn't it being done now? I feel like I'm being unfairly targeted. Three times and there hasn't been anything done?

Perhaps you only feel that the mods are being abusive because it's your own personal situation? Moderator actions that are not strictly by rule, are up to a moderator's personal judgement. They were selected to be on the team because they were exceptional members, so I see no point in other members voting on their actions.

I dunno, THREE TIMES in a short time span from one mod is very suspicious to me.

I think there is favoritism and just trusting the staff to moderate themselves is not very fair.

I would REALLY like to hear someone besides you two (kryogenix and Podomaht) provide some feedback.

Don't take this the wrong way, but it's as if it's becoming the kryogenix and Podomaht show.

Please, if other cB Members have issues, PLEASE give feedback.

We are imperfect human beings doing the best job we can. I honestly don't see anyone else giving us this much criticism other than you two. Mostly Kryo and Podomaht jumping in on his behalf (which isn't an insult, by the way, just an observation).

Criticism in bulk given by one person doesn't make the criticism more profound. We get that you don't like the staff. We get that you don't like how we handle things.

In addition to what Suzzette has said, I honestly don't know what else you want from us.

I guess people understand that we are the spokespersons for this movement. Perhaps they aren't as outspoken as we are. Too many cooks spoils the broth.

[HakunaMatata]

Abuse? Abuse? I acknowledged that I had made a mistake in your examples. I was not abusing my power. I did not purposely say "Oh, look, Kryo has a topic, I think I'll close his topic." NO. I made mistakes, Kryo, not abuses.

[*kryogenix*]

I dunno. It doesn't seem like coincidence when it's three times in such a short period of time.

If you admit to your mistakes, I want to know why someone who is so error prone was named to staff.

[*The Markster*]

Then why isn't it being done now? I feel like I'm being unfairly targeted. Three times and there hasn't been anything done?

Sorry for popping out of nowhere here, but I just personally think a lot of people find your posts just .. off and irrelevant. And that "nappy headed ho" stuff was just getting really irritating. K resume.

[*kryogenix*]

Sorry for popping out of nowhere here, but I just personally think a lot of people find your posts just .. off and irrelevant. And that "nappy headed ho" stuff was just getting really irritating. K resume.

Unfortunately (well rather, fortunately), right isn't decided by the majority.

[*The Markster*]

Unfortunately (well rather, fortunately), right isn't decided by the majority.

That never fails to be true.
I just felt like stating my personal opinion.

Hmm, have you been trying to test us with your stupid posts/topics?

[*kryogenix*]

That never fails to be true.
I just felt like stating my personal opinion.

Hmm, have you been trying to test us with your stupid posts/topics?

According to Arjuna, that's member bashing. You have been reported.

[*The Markster*]

According to Arjuna, that's member bashing. You have been reported.

Thanks.
Dude. You should try to apply for the CB moderator team.

[HakunaMatata]

This is not the place for arguing, everyone please remember:

PERSONAL ATTACKS
Flaming, trolling, member bashing-you name it-will not be tolerated here. If you're making an argument, it's always better to retort with reason and composure. Personal attacks are childish and have no place in these forums.

[*kryogenix*]

Thanks.
Dude. You should try to apply for the CB moderator team.

There's a reason I quit. Now if you would stop posting off topic, that would be great.

[*AngelicEyz00*]

The picture in your signature is extremely annoyingly large.

Setting the shutter speed to low and then putting it in black and white with text all over the place does not make it artistic in anyway. Stop.

ROFL

[moorepocket]

we wouldn't abuse it, if the members don't deserve it. But when a member crosses the line, then they will be warn. If continously, then we'll use more, for lacks of better words, punisment.

[KissMe2408]

what about.. .just, getting better mods.

[*digital.fragrance*]

^ would you like to elaborate more?

[moorepocket]

who would you say to make a "Better" mod?

[*AngelicEyz00*]

who would you say to make a "Better" mod?

Elba!

[xtrancie]

According to Arjuna, that's member bashing. You have been reported.

According to common sense, it's stating the obvious ;)

[*Podomaht*]

According to common sense, it's stating the obvious ;)

Your tone is condescending. That's bashing.

Reporting.

[xtrancie]

Your tone is condescending. That's bashing.

Reporting.

XD feel free =D

[*The Markster*]

Your tone is condescending. That's bashing.

Reporting.

Ooh, condescending. Reminds me of air condition.

Btw, you can report me, too, like your partner kyrogenix (sp?) did.

[*Podomaht*]

Ooh, condescending. Reminds me of air condition.

Btw, you can report me, too, like your partner kyrogenix (sp?) did.

No, I don't want to. You're just a cock anyways.

[*The Markster*]

No, I don't want to. You're just a cock anyways.

Then .. you're a CHICKEN.

Btw mods, I'm not arguing. I'm just going way off-topic. x]

[*Podomaht*]

Then .. you're a CHICKEN.

Btw mods, I'm not arguing. I'm just going way off-topic. x]

You have no idea how stupid you sounded typing that.

[*Podomaht*]

Anyways.

We need to have a warning system.

[xtrancie]

No, I don't want to. You're just a cock anyways.

You must be a pussy cat then XD

sorry brownsugar kinda gotta to reply that one it's just too funnie to resist XD

[demolished]

We went over this issue about a year ago or two.

Member will take disadvantage of mod by voting them off by "disliking"

[*My Cinderella.*]

I agree. I feel that personal dislikes will weigh out what really should be done.

[technicolour]

A "warning system" will only fuel certain people's vendetta's against the mods.

You're wanting to give a whole bunch of immature people the power to warn someone. You go ballistic with the reporting, one can only wonder what you'd do with a warning system.

[*Podomaht*]

Wow, as if the mods are any more mature than the rest of us.

[*Libertie*]

You know, I'll jump in and say something here - I don't think you're entirely wrong in what you're aiming at. I also don't think it's as bad as what you're saying, but I can agree that a lot of mod actions that have been directed at you recently have been because of a lack of communication. People have been too quick to move, close, warn, without understanding the meaning behind your posts. Just because people don't "get it" doesn't necessarily mean it's spam.

Realizing that a lot of our staff members are young, they've been trusted with a responsibility that requires some of them to be more mature than their actual age. That being said, I think our staff members are mature enough to handle it. The problem is the misconception of the term "mature". Being mature doesn't mean performing as many mod actions as possible, it's knowing WHEN to perform these actions that counts, as well as being consistent in how they are carried out. I think we can work on this, and I think as they get settled into their roles (this WAS a very recent hiring session, after all, it was only about a month ago, if I remember correctly) we'll have a more pleasant interaction between mods/members.

Without dismissing your idea completely, James, I'm interested in hearing more about your idea as far as how the system works, and how, if it were implemented, we would prevent members voting mods down simply because they were angry about something. It's easy to feel like you're being treated unfairly when you're on the receiving end, is all I'm saying.

[*kryogenix*]

A "warning system" will only fuel certain people's vendetta's against the mods.

You're wanting to give a whole bunch of immature people the power to warn someone. You go ballistic with the reporting, one can only wonder what you'd do with a warning system.

Then what about the mod vendettas against users?

Ballistic? I'm doing my part to help the community! Now that you guys have defined what is warn worthy, I've been vigilant in finding posts that go against these definitions.

[*Podomaht*]

You know, I'll jump in and say something here - I don't think you're entirely wrong in what you're aiming at. I also don't think it's as bad as what you're saying, but I can agree that a lot of mod actions that have been directed at you recently have been because of a lack of communication. People have been too quick to move, close, warn, without understanding the meaning behind your posts. Just because people don't "get it" doesn't necessarily mean it's spam.

Realizing that a lot of our staff members are young, they've been trusted with a responsibility that requires some of them to be more mature than their actual age. That being said, I think our staff members are mature enough to handle it. The problem is the misconception of the term "mature". Being mature doesn't mean performing as many mod actions as possible, it's knowing WHEN to perform these actions that counts, as well as being consistent in how they are carried out. I think we can work on this, and I think as they get settled into their roles (this WAS a very recent hiring session, after all, it was only about a month ago, if I remember correctly) we'll have a more pleasant interaction between mods/members.

Without dismissing your idea completely, James, I'm interested in hearing more about your idea as far as how the system works, and how, if it were implemented, we would prevent members voting mods down simply because they were angry about something. It's easy to feel like you're being treated unfairly when you're on the receiving end, is all I'm saying.

Now there's a mod I can semi-agree with.

Honestly, it's just the choice of the mods. Most of them aren't 'mature' enough to handle the power of what to close, and what to warn about. Half the threads that are closed don't need to be and 90% of the actions most of the mods take on behalf of assuming things are in fact, wrong.

[*Duchess of Dork*]

Then what about the mod vendettas against users?

Ballistic? I'm doing my part to help the community! Now that you guys have defined what is warn worthy, I've been vigilant in finding posts that go against these definitions.

Oh gosh, no one (that I know of) has a vendetta against anyone.

Honestly, it's just the choice of the mods. Most of them aren't 'mature' enough to handle the power of what to close, and what to warn about. Half the threads that are closed don't need to be and 90% of the actions most of the mods take on behalf of assuming things are in fact, wrong.

Well you know, part of that might be because of the youth factor (both in age and in the amount of time on staff).

Something that has been definitely brought up Backstage (hope it's ok for me to say this) is the idea of communicating with someone prior to closing (unless it's something blatent, like advertisting). Typically what is desired is for the person that has made a thread that seems like it should be closed to get a PM, to ask them what's up. I think a lot of premature closing of threads could be solved that way. Now on the chance that someone's PM box is full (and to acknowledge something Kryo has said before, of course it's your choice rather or not to clean out your inbox), what would be great is if someone were to respond in that thread and just ask. It never hurts to ask.

[*kryogenix*]

Oh gosh, no one (that I know of) has a vendetta against anyone.

Funny, because I don't know of any specific user-mod vendettas either. But we still seem to be having problems...

[*Duchess of Dork*]

For some reason there's just this strange lack of communication lately. I think that we all want the same thing though, right? That is, we all want to have fun here, post around and be able to discuss things? There's this sense of you don't like me and I don't like you, which I don't think has any real basis. A lot of this is really poor communication. I've actually talked to people Backstage about what Dani just recently said here, a while ago.

Staff knows that now that they need to make an attempt to communicate, prior to closing threads if it is something of a gray area to them. Typically this should be done via PM. If that isn't possible, then in-thread and before it is closed. Now this hasn't been made into a rule, but I'm hoping it will be thought of as a standard. If someone doesn't respond back, then there isn't much they can do about that, but at least the door to communicating has been opened.

[*mzkandi*]

Realizing that a lot of our staff members are young, they've been trusted with a responsibility that requires some of them to be more mature than their actual age. That being said, I think our staff members are mature enough to handle it. The problem is the misconception of the term "mature". Being mature doesn't mean performing as many mod actions as possible, it's knowing WHEN to perform these actions that counts, as well as being consistent in how they are carried out. I think we can work on this, and I think as they get settled into their roles (this WAS a very recent hiring session, after all, it was only about a month ago, if I remember correctly) we'll have a more pleasant interaction between mods/members.

If I were of the age you were refering to I would be a tad insulted. Also, I'm aware you haven't been around much (as I haven't either) so you may be slightly misinformed about the whole scope of things(?) Humans make mistakes. We all do, and in this instance I don't think it has anything to do with someone's age or lack of maturity or whatever. Sorry, but I'm a bit thrown off by that.

[*Libertie*]

I wasn't implying that some of our mods are too young to be able to handle it, I thought that was clear, actually. What I was trying to say was that while we have a lot of young people on staff, I think we've chosen a good group that is mature enough to handle the responsibility despite their age. I never said that our mods were too young or immature, I was actually saying quite the opposite. Perhaps my wording was off, but it was meant as a compliment. This topic was started (as well as others) because a lot of people have doubts about the competency of our staff members, and with that I was expressing my support for them.

Anyway, as far as importance goes, that was a small portion of my post. My big point was what I said about miscommunication. I hope nobody took what I said as an insult, because that's not at all how I meant it to come across. I think Rebecca and I are on the same page with regards to how mod actions should be carried out. Too many times have I seen someone mention "Hmm, maybe we should do ___" and then another mod coming across it and responding, "YES! You're absolutely right! As a matter of fact, I'll do that right now!" without giving it a second thought. I'm simply saying that some of these things aren't as simple as that, they need more thought and more discussion.

[radhikaeatsraman]

Realizing that a lot of our staff members are young, they've been trusted with a responsibility that requires some of them to be more mature than their actual age. That being said, I think our staff members are mature enough to handle it. The problem is the misconception of the term "mature". Being mature doesn't mean performing as many mod actions as possible, it's knowing WHEN to perform these actions that counts, as well as being consistent in how they are carried out. I think we can work on this, and I think as they get settled into their roles (this WAS a very recent hiring session, after all, it was only about a month ago, if I remember correctly) we'll have a more pleasant interaction between mods/members.

What hiring session?

[*kryogenix*]

What hiring session?

Oh snap!

[*mzkandi*]

I wasn't implying that some of our mods are too young to be able to handle it, I thought that was clear, actually. What I was trying to say was that while we have a lot of young people on staff, I think we've chosen a good group that is mature enough to handle the responsibility despite their age. I never said that our mods were too young or immature, I was actually saying quite the opposite. Perhaps my wording was off, but it was meant as a compliment. This topic was started (as well as others) because a lot of people have doubts about the competency of our staff members, and with that I was expressing my support for them.

Anyway, as far as importance goes, that was a small portion of my post. My big point was what I said about miscommunication. I hope nobody took what I said as an insult, because that's not at all how I meant it to come across. I think Rebecca and I are on the same page with regards to how mod actions should be carried out. Too many times have I seen someone mention "Hmm, maybe we should do ___" and then another mod coming across it and responding, "YES! You're absolutely right! As a matter of fact, I'll do that right now!" without giving it a second thought. I'm simply saying that some of these things aren't as simple as that, they need more thought and more discussion.

Yeah, you're wording seemed off because I was trying to think back to where age was a factor mentioned in this whole incident. I gotcha now, though.

[*Podomaht*]

Yeah, you're wording seemed off because I was trying to think back to where age was a factor mentioned in this whole incident. I gotcha now, though.

Prime example of assuming things!

[*Libertie*]

What hiring session?

The recent one, where Kaycee, kryo, Michael, James, Anna, and crew (sorry, I can't remember you all) were hired, is the one I'm referring to.

edit; It was mid-January. It was recent, but apparently not as recent as I thought. Time flies when you're busy, I guess. :P

[KissMe2408]

^ would you like to elaborate more?

basically,

there shouldn't have to be a mod warning system.
pretty effin ridiculous, especially on a teen forum.
if people think there is a need for such a system,
then it might be better to just get better people
on the job.
however, i really don't think this is the case.
i mean, yeah, staff has gone downhill, a lot.
but i don't think there is really a need for a mod
warning system, that's pretty ridiculous.

more goes along the lines of mods aren't perfect.
and people shouldn't f**kin expect them to be perfect either.
cb doesn't need another system or set of rules,
i think it's gone downhill because it's become so uptight.

[*Podomaht*]

basically,

there shouldn't have to be a mod warning system.
pretty effin ridiculous, especially on a teen forum.
if people think there is a need for such a system,
then it might be better to just get better people
on the job.
however, i really don't think this is the case.
i mean, yeah, staff has gone downhill, a lot.
but i don't think there is really a need for a mod
warning system, that's pretty ridiculous.

more goes along the lines of mods aren't perfect.
and people shouldn't f**kin expect them to be perfect either.
cb doesn't need another system or set of rules,
i think it's gone downhill because it's become so uptight.

Stop writing your sentences like you're writing verses for a poem.

[*AngelicEyz00*]

Yeah bitches, loosen up.

[*Libertie*]

i mean, yeah, staff has gone downhill, a lot.

Man, sometimes this stuff comes out of left field without any clue as to what sparked that feeling. I mean, I can see where you would think that the staff can be too uptight, because I feel that way too sometimes, but to say that we've gone downhill.. I wish we could stop generalizing because I'd like to know if you mean the staff as a whole or a few specific members.

Back to the "uptight" statement, I'd take it a step further and say that I don't think it's so much that we're too uptight as we (the general we, yes, I'm generalizing) 1) take things personally way too easily, 2) are easily irritated, and 3) are often too insecure. These are normal human traits, but in a position of authority they are things that need to be overcome, meaning they're things we should all be aware of and working on. If we're not, things like "quick, thoughtless decision-making" and "he made me mad so I closed his thread" will happen. We just need to be aware of these things, like I said, and think them through before we do something.

What I've always said with regards to my method of moderating is that in most cases, it's best to do NOTHING. By nothing, I mean don't move/close/warn/suspend. Keeping an eye on a topic is okay, posting in it to settle things down if it gets out of hand is okay, but a topic should only be closed if it's for an obvious reason. Same thing with warnings. If we're taking some sort of mod action, we should be thinking, "wait a sec, is it really that bad that I need to be doing this?" In most cases, the answer is probably no, and nobody will be hurt if we let it slide unless you have a solid rule to back up whatever it is you're doing. Jeez, I know we've been around in circles on the leniency thing, and I know often people will not be satisfied, but why does it HAVE to be so damn strict?

With that in mind, some of the recent "controversial" topics have been closed for valid reasons, and while you may have been right in starting the argument to begin with, you did take it far enough to merit a warning. That's only fair. I know you're trying to make a point, and believe me, I can agree with a lot of the things you're saying, it's just the way you're making the point that's getting you "punished", or harrassed, as you tend to put it.

I dunno, though, I've been knocked on a couple of times recently for inactivity, so maybe I should start moving/closing/warning/danismashing (oh, a disclaimer, that was a joke, self-deprication, and all). :P

[KissMe2408]

just to clear things up quickly,
yeah have no problems with the staff or whatever.
just meant staff going downhill as a whole.
but i think i just think that because i'm so used
to our old staff and stuff. forgive me, lol,
that's just me. i miss the old days, but
the staff is doing well now.
and the uptightness, yeah it's just kinda one of
those things you can't change at this point.
again, not necessarily all the mods faults either.
9/10 times mods were forced to take action
because members were gettting out of hand.
but yeah, good job ya'll. lol i don't know what else
to really say. just, that a mod warning system
is ridiculous, just yeah. . . just not needed.
but yeah, no problems with anyone just to point that out.

i'll write my responses in the form of stanzas if i want, podomaht.
i suggest you piss off and be overly critical somewhere else =)

[stay infinite]

Yea the staff as a whole has gone downhill and I agree with Katie.

It just seems that the more staff put on and stuff and the uptightness comes from all these teens that just take this being on staff thing way to seriously. Jusun doesn't even want you guys to fill as if this is a job but that you really want to do this and if your way to serious about this site your going to ruin it for yourself. The staff all need to loosen up and not care as much. Don't care less so much that it will make the site fall apart but enough that your not ruining it and making more and more people hate being here because of it.

[*Podomaht*]

just to clear things up quickly,
yeah have no problems with the staff or whatever.
just meant staff going downhill as a whole.
but i think i just think that because i'm so used
to our old staff and stuff. forgive me, lol,
that's just me. i miss the old days, but
the staff is doing well now.
and the uptightness, yeah it's just kinda one of
those things you can't change at this point.
again, not necessarily all the mods faults either.
9/10 times mods were forced to take action
because members were gettting out of hand.
but yeah, good job ya'll. lol i don't know what else
to really say. just, that a mod warning system
is ridiculous, just yeah. . . just not needed.
but yeah, no problems with anyone just to point that out.

i'll write my responses in the form of stanzas if i want, podomaht.
i suggest you piss off and be overly critical somewhere else =)

Suggestion not taken.

[radhikaeatsraman]

The recent one, where Kaycee, kryo, Michael, James, Anna, and crew (sorry, I can't remember you all) were hired, is the one I'm referring to.

edit; It was mid-January. It was recent, but apparently not as recent as I thought. Time flies when you're busy, I guess. :P

Actually, I was being sarcastic. I don't think you caught that. The reason I said that was because it wasn't a proper hiring session and not every member was given the chance to apply.

[viugiufgjhfhjfhg...]

Reviewing the conflictive rules and modifying them if needed seems a far more easy, fast and realistic solution than creating and implementing a new warning system.

For example, the Controversy Rule. It could be transformed into a rule against Trolling and abuse; two concepts that are less vague and easier to identify.

[Simba]

I could go with something like that.

[*kryogenix*]

There was not when I was rehired, and when Diana, Anna and Kristina have been promoted.

Gee, I wonder why.

[*AngelicEyz00*]

You know why

[*Libertie*]

Actually, I was being sarcastic. I don't think you caught that. The reason I said that was because it wasn't a proper hiring session and not every member was given the chance to apply.

That's fine, but it doesn't matter, because that's not what I was talking about. You apparently missed that I was referring to an actual hiring session. That's okay.

But fine, though, we'll go off on another subject. True, this recent hiring was not a proper hiring session.. okay. That's not an argument, though, because there has always been the accomodation that people can be randomly appointed if needed. I hate to compare this to real life, but if a workplace has a couple positions open, they don't have to put up a now hiring sign or hold a job fair. It's perfectly acceptable to just hire someone else and fill the spot. If you want to argue about the random hirings, argue the rule, not the action.

On another subject, I've never been to another forum that holds "hiring sessions" like this. Many forums will just let their mods pick a new staff member whenever the wills strikes them, and MOST forums don't even allow the staff members input, it's just a random appointment by an admin. The fact that so member input is so appreciated here was a pretty big shock to me. I guess the point I'm trying to make is, why is it such a big deal?

[Spirited Away]

That's a good point. If everyone can agree that old cB was fun cB, I remember that fun cB involved Jusun appointing people and after that mods were voting on mods... and what's going on now? Is cB still fun?

idk.

[*Duchess of Dork*]

Well, I think it's pretty clear that many people do not find cB fun at all anymore. That's really unfortunate, I think we all can agree on that.

How that affects a Mod Warning System? If people feel like they don't have any freedom here, or feel uncomfortable here then that does affect the fun quota. It's about balance and for one reason another, there is relatively little balance here.

Does that mean we should create a Mod Warning System? Well, it may be early and I may not have had enough coffee yet, but don't we have one? I know that there have been a few mistakes lately, mistakes I think people have learned from. Besides that though. Oh wait a minute, I reread the first post:

I have been a victim of moderator abuse TWICE (three times if you count the one I'm bringing up about the cosplay thread) now only recently.

I think there should be a mod warning system in place, where users can vote against a moderator's action and then once they abuse their powers to a certain point, they get kicked off the team.

Cause I'm sick of it.

I have to ask, to you honestly think it's abuse, or mistakes?

[Just_Dream]

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[begin reminiscence]
I remember when I PMed Jusun asking if I could be a mod and BAM it happened!
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Forgive me if I start going off tangent:

Dani - Your activity was questioned? If anything, you seem more active than I ever was when I was an admin while I was still active (Now I feel guilty =X). And this is coming from me, who doesn't really log on as much, but I LURK a lot of the times.

Since I was a former admin (I feel special when I say that... :P), for what you said, Dani, about doing "nothing" in most cases in regards to actual modding (moving/closing/etc.), I did the same. In the past, I would used the search feature a lot. Since I was active, I knew which topics were duplicates or were semi-relevant, and I would merge them together. Instead of having a thread closed, perhaps it could be merged. And it wouldn't change the other topic, since newer posts are at the end. It's also a great way to bump up old topics, especially those that were (maybe still are?) worthy topics that sparked great discussion. I say this because it doesn't seem like some threads were being merged, in the past (like a month ago). Maybe I'll go look some up as I come across any.

I mean, some of the topics now do spark discussion and all, but not to the extent where people actually READ all the posts. As people have mentioned before (was it Michael--mipadi-- who mentioned it quite a while ago?), there's members who just post ONCE in the thread and don't even look back, nor do they realizie that plenty of their posts are duplicates of others, saying the exact same without realizing it.

As for the warning system... I guess I don't have much to say about that part, since I never actually warned anyone in the past.

[*Podomaht*]

It's because everyone is too serious with CB. CB is not a job, don't put it on your resume, nerds.


Less moderating and more fun. It's simple.

[*kryogenix*]

Well, I think it's pretty clear that many people do not find cB fun at all anymore. That's really unfortunate, I think we all can agree on that.

Breakthrough of the century!

How that affects a Mod Warning System? If people feel like they don't have any freedom here, or feel uncomfortable here then that does affect the fun quota. It's about balance and for one reason another, there is relatively little balance here.

Does that mean we should create a Mod Warning System? Well, it may be early and I may not have had enough coffee yet, but don't we have one? I know that there have been a few mistakes lately, mistakes I think people have learned from. Besides that though. Oh wait a minute, I reread the first post:
I have to ask, to you honestly think it's abuse, or mistakes?

I dunno, based on the talk backstage it seems like you guys all had your eyes on me. And then when three "mistakes" are made targeting me, it kinda says something...

[*I Viddy Horrorshow*]

It's because everyone is too serious with CB. CB is not a job, don't put it on your resume, nerds.
Less moderating and more fun. It's simple.

And of course, being deliberately obnoxious is the best way to get people to have fun...

[*Podomaht*]

And of course, being deliberately obnoxious is the best way to get people to have fun...

Hippy.

[viugiufgjhfhjfhg...]

Still partial to trim the fat from the present rules; make them simpler and clearer, and get rid of those that are unnecessary or already covered by another rule.

I would prefer to have rules that are easier to follow and to act upon than to have to babysit the babysitters that babysit the babysitters that are babysitting the babysitters in the first place.

It would be less stressful for everybody.

[*Duchess of Dork*]

Still partial to trim the fat from the present rules; make them simpler and clearer, and get rid of those that are unnecessary or already covered by another rule.

I would prefer to have rules that are easier to follow and to act upon than to have to babysit the babysitters that babysit the babysitters that are babysitting the babysitters in the first place.

It would be less stressful for everybody.

Indeed it would be and is something that believe me, is getting reviewed.

By the way, thanks for giving constructive criticism and suggestions. It's very appreciated.

[*kryogenix*]

And of course, being deliberately obnoxious is the best way to get people to have fun...

Actually it's a little more fun now, so I guess it is.

[*mona lisa*]

I don't think a mod warning system is going to be useful. Things shouldn't be made any more complicated than they have to be.

I agree that modifying rules (such as controversy, spamming, pointless topics, trolling...) to make them clearer would be better. It isn't a problem of anyone having a 'vendetta' against others; it's just different views on how to carry out/enforce rules.

[*kryogenix*]

I don't think a mod warning system is going to be useful. Things shouldn't be made any more complicated than they have to be.

I agree that modifying rules (such as controversy, spamming, pointless topics, trolling...) to make them clearer would be better. It isn't a problem of anyone having a 'vendetta' against others; it's just different views on how to carry out/enforce rules.

Even when they're consistently wrong on how they enforce the rules?

[viugiufgjhfhjfhg...]

Even when they're consistently wrong on how they enforce the rules?

There always will be human errors, although with better tools and practical experience the number and significance of said mistakes can be lessened.

And by the way, the "errors" we're talking about here are pretty tame keeping the whole lot of possibilities in mind. Which doesn't mean they shouldn't be dealt with, though. Was just stating the obvious, kinda.

[*kryogenix*]

There always will be human errors, although with better tools and practical experience the number and significance of said mistakes can be lessened.

And by the way, the "errors" we're talking about here are pretty tame keeping the whole lot of possibilities in mind. Which doesn't mean they shouldn't be dealt with, though. Was just stating the obvious, kinda.

We have a wrongdoing (three actually). We have a motive. I dunno, it just adds up to me. What's the coincidence that someone makes three mistakes in such a short period time involving the same person?

And if this person is so error prone, why are they on staff?

[viugiufgjhfhjfhg...]

We have a wrongdoing (three actually). We have a motive. I dunno, it just adds up to me. What's the coincidence that someone makes three mistakes in such a short period time involving the same person?

And if this person is so error prone, why are they on staff?

Depends on what the person found on the receiving end is doing, also mostly. Also on how it's being done, when and why.

As far as mod statistics go, I haven't really been enough to notice consistent misdoing on the staff's side. Then again, I am not around too much.

[*AngelicEyz00*]

I think we should be able to impeach the useless ones.