warning level Options

[*kryogenix*]

some nappy headed ho raised my warning level without explaining why. i don't know what i'm doing wrong.

[*StanleyThePanda*]

Maybe its all your "Nappy headed ho" posts, Don't say you dont know why.
But if you want a thorough explanation, you can PM her.

[*kryogenix*]

i did, but i can't understand why someone would warn someone without justifying it first. that's not behavior I would expect from a mod, that's something i'd expect from a nappy headed ho.

[*StanleyThePanda*]

^ *rolls eyes*
I believe she gave you a verbal warning, for all your spam-y posts. Yet you continued.
Does that not justify your warning?

[*kryogenix*]

spammy posts? everything i posted was relevant to the topic at hand. i'm no nappy headed ho.

[*StanleyThePanda*]

Not all of them were relevant, dear. Good, you PMed her. I, personally, believe that it was justified. You knew you were verbally warned and you knew that if you continued, you would be warned.

But I'm done with this now, Im off to bed.

[*kryogenix*]

You're not people staff, no one cares what you think. I think they were all relevant, even if they did talk about nappy headed hos.

[lostgrl16]

might the fact that you keep repeating "nappy headed hos" in every post trigger anything in your mind?

[*The Markster*]

Lol, I decided to look around his posts, and yeah, that phrase is all I see. And they really aren't relevant to the thread's topic either. I may not be a mod or anyone special, but that should give you a little justice in your warning level raise.

[*Monochrome.*]

Hmm. I belive mods reserve right to warn you without permision after all you were issued a verbal warning and you kept going like a 12 year old cheerleader talking about her day.

And dont you dare disregard kara's Mod position.Shes still a staff member even if she has no jurisdiction in the community center,Her opinion is still very valuble.

[*Duchess of Dork*]

Darn, I'm not the only one to tarnish your record?

James, I really think you know why you were warned. You kept pushing her buttons without any provocation. I realize that you may think it's all very entertaining and such, and that's great. However, she had plenty of justification for warning you. Considering the pictures you have posted lately, you're lucky you haven't been warned before now, quite frankly.

[*kryogenix*]

No, I don't understand why I was warned. There is no justification, the only warning given was that it was racist language, though I don't see how it's racist at all considering it wasn't targeted at any race. Of course, she went along with the warning anyway despite giving a garbage reason and failing to answer any of my questions.

You guys are inconsistent and erratic in your disciplinary procedures and you expect people to just go along with it. The fact of matter is my posts are completely fine and in context of the threads they were posted in. Sorry, I'm not just going to go along with it and there's there's nothing you can do about it to stop me, except getting it right and no, I don't give a shit about my record. If I was more immature, I'd make this much worse than it is right now, but as it is, I'm playing completely within the rules. If you want to take that away from me though, well, then I guess if you won't play by the rules then I won't either.

For now, I'll cease, since my it's obviously not been established that what I'm doing is wrong. Of course, I expect the mod team to learn something from this.

It's the weekend so we should all have some free time. Justify the warning, or apologize for the mistake. Because I'm not going to let it go. There's nothing wrong with saying nappy headed ho the way I did.

[*Duchess of Dork*]

Member Punishments

I. Verbal Warnings

1. Upon a violation of the community guidelines by a member, as determined by a moderator, said moderator will issue the member a verbal warning.
   • This verbal warning must be clearly stated, including the name of the member to whom it is being issued and the specific offence, both in the thread in question and by means of a personal message (PM).
2. All verbal warnings should be recorded in a thread backstage, for the reference of the staff.
   • All moderators are responsible for being aware of recorded verbal warnings and for adjusting subsequent punishments accordingly.
3. Verbal warnings will expire after two weeks, unless previously stated by the moderator responsible for issuing said verbal warning or a member fails to improve behavior, the latter in which case a moderator can raise a member's warning level.

II. Warning Levels

1. If, after a verbal warning has been issued, a member repeats the offence for which they were verbally warned, a member of staff may raise said member's official warning level.
   • Said member must be notified of this increase in warning level by means of a PM.
2. The warning level will be reduced after a period of time deemed appropriate by a staff member, based upon the behavior of the member in question.
   • Members must be notified again by means of a PM when their warning levels are reduced.
3. Upon being issued with a raised warning level, an official member, designer, or promoter will be demoted the status of member.
   • Members are eligible to reapply for official status upon the reduction of their warning level to 0%.

By Laws
If you'd like, forward the PM with the reasoning behind your warning and it'll be looked at and the communication issue(s) will be addressed with the moderator involved.

These are what I believe you have violated:

POINTLESS POSTS
To enhance the experience of these forums, please do not post just for the sake of posts counts. We care more about what you say than how many times you can hit the "add reply" button. This includes repeated posts (even in different threads), and anything unrelevant to the topic at hand.

CONTROVERSY
Think before you post. Everyone is different and everyone has different stances on certain issues. A little tact is never a bad thing. When you have an argument, it's better to post with reasoning justifying your views. Avoid saying things that creates or has the potential of creating controversy.

PERSONAL ATTACKS
Flaming, trolling, member bashing-you name it-will not be tolerated here. If you're making an argument, it's always better to retort with reason and composure. Personal attacks are childish and have no place in these forums.

You INTENTIONALLY egged her on. You know that. You can deny it all you want but I think most people will see that. You repeatedly post pointless threads/responses in the guise of "you just don't get it." That's fine and dandy, but I'll go ahead and quote something from the Lounge forum rules:

POINTLESS THREADS
Random topics that no one will be able to reply to in a productive manner or discuss will be closed. This includes topics like 'I'm bored', "Look at my pics", "Do u love me", topics whose sole intent is to insult someone. These forums are for discussion, not attention seeking.

So if it's clarity you want, perhaps that might help just a little.

By the way, I responded to your request, but got the following:

This message can not be sent because the recipient has their personal messenger disabled or their personal messenger inbox is full.

[*kryogenix*]

I'm not stupid and I take offense that you're treating me like this. I know the rules. What I don't understand is your interpretation of the rules. There's plenty of other topics which have titles that have nothing to do with the first post in them. That makes it a lot more random than my thread. How can you say that no one will be able to reply in a productive manner when it's been open for such a short time and no one has spammed in it. There are plenty of other threads that have been less productive than mine, but were left to remain open. Find a better explanation.

Let's quote the verbal warning.

That's ENOUGH, James. This is your verbal warning. Another one of that same racist remark, and your warning level will raised.

However, I argued that the remark is not in fact racist, which when taken in context to how I used it, it is not. Therefore it should have ended right here, or at least been discussed further, however she just disregarded that and went on warning anyway.

The fact of the matter is, any challenge to staff authority, even when it is within the rules, will be cited by the staff as posts no one wants or as unproductive. I think that the staff would be wise to try to iron out any misunderstandings. Cause I feel that I'm not the only one who has a problem with the way things are run around here.

Hmm, I suppose my box is full, but I don't mind bringing the conversation to public for the time being while I decide which things to delete. It helps keep things transparent in case any other members of the community want to chime in.

[*Duchess of Dork*]

I do not consider you stupid and I apologize if by me reposting rules gives you the impression that I do.

The reasons I listed are reasons I would have given. I should have communicated that more effectively.

However, considering that the man who has now made those words famous is considered to have made racist remarks, why wouldn't that same remark, made by you on several occasions also be considered racist? I don't want to insult your intelligence (or further insult it, I guess since I unwittingly have already) so I won't requote the "Controversy" rule.

It would have been better if a rule that was broken was actually stated in the PM.

Regarding your first paragraph - if that is in regard to the thread I closed, then the answer is no. I did not close it because the title had nothing to do with the thread. Since your box is full, I'll just post my response here:

reopen the krnxswat thread. move it to humor at least, since you guys feel that if you're not interested in something, no one else will be.

I disagree and I'm not going to reopen it. Take it to Mona or Kiera. I'm sorry. I've closed everythread that is member specific. See these two for example:

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=173135
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=173111

[*kryogenix*]

The controversy was in the way he used nappy headed hos, not in the phrase itself.

brownsugar made a series of threads in the lounge with the first names of a bunch of the members. I thought it would be ok if it was the same thing. If you want, I'll ask krnxswat if he's offended by it at all, and if he isn't, then there shouldn't be a problem.

The take it to someone else doesn't fly with me. The same thing happened last time I had a problem, you guys pretty much said "well, not my department" and passed the responsibility to someone else.

and haha, those threads are hilarious.

[*Duchess of Dork*]

I'm not trying to pass it on to someone else. I'm just standing firm with my decision. However, if someone higher up feels like that should be overridden, then so beit and I won't be offended.

Again, it wasn't about the topic title. I was clear in my response as to why it was closed.

[lostgrl16]

sorry to butt in duchess, but i personally think you're right. what imus said, didnt matter how or when he said it, it was still taken as racial, and still continue to be so. once in a while someone says it HAHA ok move on, but first of all imus is known to have said many racial remarks that the company didnt do much about and now they have people boycoting outside. i dont think there is any other way of saying that phrase without it be racial, especially when said over and over. the fact that this phrase is also popular right now doesnt make it non-racial either.

[*kryogenix*]

I'm not trying to pass it on to someone else. I'm just standing firm with my decision. However, if someone higher up feels like that should be overridden, then so beit and I won't be offended.

Again, it wasn't about the topic title. I was clear in my response as to why it was closed.

And I was clear that I question doing something when you don't know that it won't produce anything productive.

I love the logic here to. "Well I was the one who did the act in question, but I'm sure my superior can explain my own actions for me." Admit it, you're just waiting until I get bored of questioning.

Can you defend your call for a moratorium on nappy headed hos without trying to dodge it by sending me to someone else or copypastaing a wall of text for me?

sorry to butt in duchess, but i personally think you're right. what imus said, didnt matter how or when he said it, it was still taken as racial, and still continue to be so. once in a while someone says it HAHA ok move on, but first of all imus is known to have said many racial remarks that the company didnt do much about and now they have people boycoting outside. i dont think there is any other way of saying that phrase without it be racial, especially when said over and over. the fact that this phrase is also popular right now doesnt make it non-racial either.

fine then, I take your comment as racist and now I demand you apologize. see what happens when we punish people based on arbitrary perceptions?

another thing, the user Hakuna Matata was the one who raised my warning level. If anything, that username is more racist than mine, since Matata is used as a racial slur to call african people monkeys. However, my use of nappy headed hos is not directed at any race.

[lostgrl16]

i havnt made any racial statement in my post at all, so i dont know how you came to that conclusion.

"hakuna matata" is used in a disney movie meaning no worries, if she only used one word maybe thats a good argument but she used the whole phrase. your phrase however is automatically assumed to be aimed toward african americans

[*kryogenix*]

i havnt made any racial statement in my post at all, so i dont know how you came to that conclusion.

"hakuna matata" is used in a disney movie meaning no worries, if she only used one word maybe thats a good argument but she used the whole phrase. your phrase however is automatically assumed to be aimed toward african americans

then you're racist because you think that only african americans have nappy hair.

RACIST RACIST.

[lostgrl16]

then please correct me if im wrong, sorry for the assumption

[*kryogenix*]

then please correct me if im wrong, sorry for the assumption

So now we know what the problem is, people assuming they know the meaning of my posts. Let's not assume next time, both you and the mods.

[*The Markster*]

Okay, so apparently your posts, kryogenix, have annoyed some people and even have the potential to [racially] offend them. Seeing all your posts (excluding the ones you posted in this topic), the majority of your recent posts have the words "nappy," "hair," and "ho"; some posts not having the word "ho." So if you would try to look at the situation in our view (yes, I've tried putting myself in your perspective), you would see that your posts are really kind of repetitive.

As for CB (no offense ), I think there should be a rule about the pictures that members can post, if there's not one yet. Cause I was looking through his posts, and I believe a saw a cropped picture of a penis. I know that may be very mature of him to talk about that smegma stuff in a mature way, but not all of the CB members are mature in seeing that.

[*kryogenix*]

congratulations on your promotion duchess of dork, now you can answer my questions without referring me up.