Abortion., give me thoughts. Options

[GothpunkGClover]

Is abortion right?

[*Kathleen*]

It depends on how you're brought up. Everyone's different. Obviously, if you've grown up in a family full of women who get abortions left and right, you're going to think it's normal. On the other hand, if you see it as downright murder, you're going to think it's appalling to society.

[*krnxswat*]

Please refer to this thread.

[*Kathleen*]

Actually, I think this should stay open because it's a differnt aspect of abortion. What I got from reading this is questionning its morality, whereas the other thread questions whether it should be outlawed or not...if it isn't then, sorry, and I'll close it again.

[*krnxswat*]

Actually, I think this should stay open because it's a differnt aspect of abortion. What I got from reading this is questionning its morality, whereas the other thread questions whether it should be outlawed or not...if it isn't then, sorry, and I'll close it again.

Hm, but the other thread also asks about what we think of abortion, so wouldn't it be considered the same thing? I don't know.

[*Kathleen*]

Hmm...I wish the person who started this thread would clarify.

[*krnxswat*]

Yeah; where are you GothpunkGClover!?

[ComradeRed]

Classify abortion as a sufficient reason in accordance with Leibniz's Philosophical Optimism and moral discourse.

[xtremeliquid]

I don't think it is right for many reasons.

[juliar]

I don't think it is right for many reasons.

State them?
Heh...this one isnt as open and it was created after the topic on abortion below was...

[GothpunkGClover]

lol sorry sorry, Yeah it is different. I am a unique guy. I usually post up unique things.

[tinababy143]

i dont think its right because why should someone who hasnt been able to live life yet die?? yeah i understand that there are certain situations where ppl think its a MUST..for instance maybe the girl is too young or maybe she got raped and doesnt want the baby..but why cant she put it up for adoption so a familee who wants a child who can no longer have children can have one ((sorrie if that was confusing)) i was a baby who was supposed to be aborted..but luckily my birth mother changed her mind last minute..i was then adopted by a familee who i love so very much and i wouldnt ask for any other..its possible that i wouldnt be herre this very day because of abortion..its not right and it never will be..

[Retrogressive]

its murder, just like murder someone older. it's murder. you make the choice to have sex.

[angel-roh]

WELL HAVING AN AB0RTI0N IS LIKE KILLING UR 0WN CHILD... AND THAT`Z N0T G00D. I W0ULD PREFER THEM T0 JUS PUT THEM IN A F0STER H0USE F0R A BETTER PLACE. MAN KILLING A BABY IS SUCHA N0T A G00D THING. I REALLIE HATE WHEN TEENAGERS D0 AN AB0RTI0N. CUS THEY D0NT LIKE WHEN THEY G0T RAPED BY A STRANGER S0 THEY KILL A BABY BY D0ING AN AB0RTI0N? S0 I THINK THAT SH0ULD BE ILLEGAL!!! I MEAN I BET ALL BABIES WANTED T0 HAVE A LIFE LIKE US AND N0T DIE S0 FAST... I MEAN D0NT U FEEL S0RRY F0R THE BABY? G0SH IF U GUYS D0NT, THAT`Z JUS SAD... MEANS THAT U HAVE N0 FEELINGS L0LS IM JK NEWAIS S0 YEAH I THINK IT SH0ULD BE ILLEGAL. REAAALLIIEE ILLEGAL!!
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[iheartsimba]

depends on the circumstances.

honestly i don't think its right either way.

if you could stand the pain getting pregnant, i don't think there is any reason why you shouldn't have the baby. in my opinion its like murder. i think adoption is okay, but i just find abortion very wrong.

now if you were a 11 year old who got raped and pregnant or something i could see hwere it was coming from.

but i just don't think abortion would be..right. its murder

[NvieDi3ai3yGrL]

i don't think it's wrong. before it even becomes a new life and one feels they aren't ready for the huge financial burden and responsibility of a possible new child they should be wise enough not to have it. it isn't fair for a child to be brought into the world if you can't give him/her the best possible chance at a good life. it's selfish to keep a child you're not ready for so that they may suffer. abortion is fair if you're not ready for a baby. i don't agree with the people that don't think of the consequences of having unprotected sex though. they run the risk of not only getting pregnant when they know they aren't ready but also a lot of std's. if you're going to have an abortion let it be for a plausible reason. not because you were not being careful but because it was an accident or you weren't ready for it.

[tinababy143]

you make the choice to have sex.

not true..there are many circumstances where girls get raped and thats not their choice and apparently they couldnt prevent it..i still think abortion is wrong..but a lot of ppl dont choose to have sex. They could be raped by a complete stranger or somebody in their familee as well..

[*Kathleen*]

i don't think it's wrong. before it even becomes a new life and one feels they aren't ready for the huge financial burden and responsibility of a possible new child they should be wise enough not to have it. it isn't fair for a child to be brought into the world if you can't give him/her the best possible chance at a good life. it's selfish to keep a child you're not ready for so that they may suffer. abortion is fair if you're not ready for a baby.

How would you determine that, though? Furthermore, there is always adoption. From what the media makes it to be, it seems horrible, but look at how many adopted people turned out great. Just look to Hollywood, and you'll see so many that came from adoption agencies and whatnot. I mean, if anything, they'd be better off in an orphanage if you think about it. They need to learn how to survive on their own long before many of us. They're better prepared for when they turn eighteen opposed to many of us.

[LiNHy POO]

i think its wrong... you're killing sumthing becuz of your mistakes.. the baby shouldnt suffer cuz of wut you did..

[Spirited Away]

Morally speaking, abortion is wrong. But when you take into consideration of other contexts such as rape or sickness, abortion sometimes is the only way out.

[tinababy143]

Morally speaking, abortion is wrong. But when you take into consideration of other contexts such as rape or sickness, abortion sometimes is the only way out.

if the girl gets raped and she doesnt want the baby she could easily put the child up for adoption..abortion is never the "only way out"..there is ALWAYS an alternative..

[Spirited Away]

if the girl gets raped and she doesnt want the baby she could easily put the child up for adoption..abortion is never the "only way out"..there is ALWAYS an alternative..

There's not always an alternative, but there's ALWAYS an exception.

Say, the woman was happily married with two children (girls). And one day an evil man busted into her home, slaughering her huband, raped her two girls and the proceeded to chop them up while making her watch. The bastard then rapes her and flee as he heard incoming sirens.

Now she's pregnant with his kid.

Say that woman's you.

Are you telling me that you'll keep the child inside you for 9 or so months?

If you are, more power to you, because remember that I, too, believe that abortion is immoral. However, step in the woman's shoes for a moment and live in her mentality. Do you think she would be able to keep the child? Even if it's innocent?

Now to make it a little more complicated, she also contracted AIDS from the man, and that means that the growing fetus is also infected.

It's SOOO easy for everyone of us here to say "oh, it's wrong no matter what", but you're not the one having to make this hard decision. The woman knows that it's wrong, too, but she can't deal with it. Can you blame her?

[princess2113]

There's not always an alternative, but there's ALWAYS an exception.

Say, the woman was happily married with two children (girls). And one day an evil man busted into her home, slaughering her huband, raped her two girls and the proceeded to chop them up while making her watch. The bastard then rapes her and flee as he heard incoming sirens.

Now she's pregnant with his kid.

Say that woman's you.

Are you telling me that you'll keep the child inside you for 9 or so months?

If you are, more power to you, because remember that I, too, believe that abortion is immoral. However, step in the woman's shoes for a moment and live in her mentality. Do you think she would be able to keep the child? Even if it's innocent?

Now to make it a little more complicated, she also contracted AIDS from the man, and that means that the growing fetus is also infected.

It's SOOO easy for everyone of us here to say "oh, it's wrong no matter what", but you're not the one having to make this hard decision. The woman knows that it's wrong, too, but she can't deal with it. Can you blame her?

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww sick story

c if u get raped thou ur supposed to go immediatly to get cleaned out, n when they clean u out...hopefully, if ur egg was fertalized its out now...so u dunno that u wuld have been pregnant and its 2 save ur life b/c who knows what the raper has

[Spirited Away]

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww sick story

c if u get raped thou ur supposed to go immediatly to get cleaned out, n when they clean u out...hopefully, if ur egg was fertalized its out now...so u dunno that u wuld have been pregnant and its 2 save ur life b/c who knows what the raper has

Say then, that he was so sadistic that he raped her several times (and it's several days now). It's too late to get any sort of day-after pill/'cleaned out".

Anyway, what if you have aids and this child will have aids for sure?

There's no way to tell what the woman will do, but I, sure as hell, am not going to point fingers at her saying "YOU MURDERER!". None of us has a right to choose for other people, no matter how irresponsible they may seem.

[*Kathleen*]

It's too late to get any sort of day-after pill/'cleaned out".

Why didn't she go to the police? She can stop that if she does.

[Spirited Away]

Why didn't she go to the police? She can stop that if she does.

points

he raped her several times (and it's several days now).

It might be too late by the time he's through with her.

[swtpumkinpie]

my opinion on this is:
you knew what you were getting into when you are having sex. You knew the consequences and if you weren't ready for that then don't do it.

i think it is wrong. once you found out you were pregnant, the baby is already growing inside. which means it's already living. just not the way you are. it's killing a human baby. it's wrong.

the only exception is if you get raped. that's the only reason for having an abortion.

[Spirited Away]

the only exception is if you get raped. that's the only reason for having an abortion.

Thank you for saying that. There is the exception of rape.

[easilyxamusedx]

i sort of swing both ways.
but if i had to chose one,i'm for abortion.
it's your life, your choice, your baby.
and.
-There are rapists out there and there are good reasons why people have abortions, not like the infamous reason because you made a mistake.
-Everyone deserves to make their own decisions.
-Some fetuses aren't conscious yet.
-Perhaps you saving it from having a bad life? (if you couldn't support it, feed it, etc.)
-Yes, there's always adoption.
-It's not really right for somebody else to dictate what we want to do with our lives.
A-nd, there's always those people who are so desperate to not have a baby that they'll have an illegal abortion and might die anyways.

just random thoughts.

done.

[justbecausexx]

it depends on the person. it's that women's choice to weather they want an abortion or they don’t. I don’t think their right should be taken away. well this is just my opinon.

[onenonly101]

I believe abortion is wrong, because it comes back to what did the child do wrong that you would have to abort them. In cases of rape, I still don't believe the child should suffer for a STUPID/POWER HUNGRY(sorry hate rapist) man.

I am soo adament about not having abortion but there is only one case that i would even think about it. If my child was under12 and was molested and became pregnant, i don't want my child to suffer the pregnancy but i also wouldn't want the baby to suffere either.

[ComradeRed]

A cause, by definition, is something that leads invariably to an effect. Since rapes do not invariably lead to pregnancy (in fact, it is very rare for them to do so), it is accurate to say that the baby, not the man, is the CAUSE of the woman's burden.

[onenonly101]

Yes but the baby in question wouldn't be if the man did not rape him. If you were to take out him raping her you would also cancel the baby. So i say that the man si the cause of the hurt/burden

[ComradeRed]

That's a misuse of language. The man is a force acting on a particular cause in one situation, but the ultimate cause is the baby itself.

[onenonly101]

No, the baby is not the cause, the baby is factor in the cause but not it. Like i said before there wouldn't have been a baby if the man did not rape her

[Spirited Away]

I believe abortion is wrong, because it comes back to what did the child do wrong that you would have to abort them. In cases of rape, I still don't believe the child should suffer for a STUPID/POWER HUNGRY(sorry hate rapist) man.

I am soo adament about not having abortion but there is only one case that i would even think about it. If my child was under12 and was molested and became pregnant, i don't want my child to suffer the pregnancy but i also wouldn't want the baby to suffere either.

I feel you, because the child is innocent.

But in the raped woman's case (with aids), I wouldn't call her names or point an accusing finger at her should she decides to abort the baby. Even though it's wrong, she still has her rights as a woman because it's true that it's her body that the child's using to grow.

[onenonly101]

But in the raped woman's case (with aids), I wouldn't call her names or point an accusing finger at her should she decides to abort the baby.

Yeah I wouldn't either because in rape cases it is so hard, I mean everything about rape cases especially the unseen immediate consequences like having a child.

If i was in the situation of the women with AIDs, abortion wouldn't even be a choice because i odn't think that if i survived the incident that i would even still be a live. I hate suicide(to me it is selfish) but in a case like that i would have to be selfish.

[ComradeRed]

The man might have caused teh baby, but the baby itself caused the problems. The proximate cause of the woman's problems is the baby.

It is not lingustically correct to say that someone was killed with a gun. That person was killed with a bullet from the gun.

[Spirited Away]

Yeah I wouldn't either because in rape cases it is so hard, I mean everything about rape cases especially the unseen immediate consequences like having a child.

If i was in the situation of the women with AIDs, abortion wouldn't even be a choice because i odn't think that if i survived the incident that i would even still be a live. I hate suicide(to me it is selfish) but in a case like that i would have to be selfish.

Having the baby then ridding it in an orphan home is also selfish, or at least the child will grow up to think so. Either way, it's a lose-lose situation; either way the woman will be selfish. So why not give her the choice to choose her poison?

[CrimsonArchangel]

How would you determine that, though? Furthermore, there is always adoption. From what the media makes it to be, it seems horrible, but look at how many adopted people turned out great. Just look to Hollywood, and you'll see so many that came from adoption agencies and whatnot. I mean, if anything, they'd be better off in an orphanage if you think about it. They need to learn how to survive on their own long before many of us. They're better prepared for when they turn eighteen opposed to many of us.

agree, agree, agree.
Why would you want to kill someone who has not yet lived? Why not give him/her a second chance as a loved, adopted child? It could happen!

[ComradeRed]

Why is it bad to be selfish?

Democracy, at least the way we know it in America, is based on selfishness. Our Constitution assumes people will be selfish... that's why the checks and balances system works. Because the Courts will be selfish enough to check the powers of the President and Congress, and ditto for the President and Congress.

Our capitalist economy is also based on selfishness. Businesses produce and sell NOT to serve the common good, but to make money. Simple as that. This way, they all DO promote the common good through selfish competition that forces them to undercut prices and raise new innovations to help everyone. In Soviet Russia, they taught people it was wrong to be selfish and that they should always serve the greater good, and look where the Commies ended up.

Being selfish is a perfectly good thing. It's actually hurting other people (i.e. unreasonable selfishness: stealing, killing, etc) that makes it bad.

[princess2113]

Having the baby then ridding it in an orphan home is also selfish, or at least the child will grow up to think so. Either way, it's a lose-lose situation; either way the woman will be selfish. So why not give her the choice to choose her poison?

not all babies put up for adoption go to an orphanage...and if they do...they dunt know ne differantly

[Spirited Away]

not all babies put up for adoption go to an orphanage...and if they do...they dunt know ne differantly

What make you say that? I'm sure there are orphans who resent their parents for leaving them. They may not know much when they're young, but they'll wonder why they're different from other kids, plus they'll know sooner or later.

It's a sad world out there, we must take into consideration of the human conditon.

[tinababy143]

Thank you for saying that. There is the exception of rape.

no..rape is not an acception..i've been in that exact spot before..i was raped and got pregnant and yess i carried that child for 9 months and put it up for adoption..so you cant tell me that rape is an exception for abortion and you cant tell me to "put myself in her shoes" I WAS IN HER SHOES!! no..i didnt get aids..and no my baby didnt get aids..but other than that..i was there..in the flesh! and even if myself and the child got aids i would STILL carry that baby for 9 months and either keep it or put it up for adoption..

[ComradeRed]

So you did that. Why should you force others to do that too?

[Spirited Away]

no..rape is not an acception..i've been in that exact spot before..i was raped and got pregnant and yess i carried that child for 9 months and put it up for adoption..so you cant tell me that rape is an exception for abortion and you cant tell me to "put myself in her shoes" I WAS IN HER SHOES!!  no..i didnt get aids..and no my baby didnt get aids..but other than that..i was there..in the flesh!  and even if myself and the child got aids i would STILL carry that baby for 9 months and either keep it or put it up for adoption..

Haven't you read a thing I said?

I clearly said that it would be a hard decision for the woman as well, and that I would not blame her if she does abort the baby.

Each and every woman is different, you must at least grasp that truth before I go on.

You may deal with trauma one way, another woman will deal with it another way. If everyone was as "strong" as you were going through that horror, then there would be no suicides, and I wouldn't even bother to have this arguement with anyone.

I only approve of abortions when people are in desperate need of it, not because it is a convenience.

[*Kathleen*]

It might be too late by the time he's through with her.

I meant as in after the first day, why didn't she go to the police?

[tinababy143]

So you did that. Why should you force others to do that too?

i never said that i was going to force anyone to do that..it is their choice..everyone has their own opinion..my opinion is that abortion is wrong and under no circumstances should it happen..thats all im trying to say..but it is my opinion so if anyone thinks differently..then they have the right to think it and say what they feel..but i have the right to think and say what i feel as well..

[*Kathleen*]

Why is it bad to be selfish?

It's bad to be too selfish. When I say this, I mean dealing with human life. Being too selfish will slow down progress.

[ComradeRed]

No, progress is the result of people being selfish. People invent stuff to satisfy their own natural curiosity OR to make a profit. Both selfish motives.

[Spirited Away]

I meant as in after the first day, why didn't she go to the police?

Not all women are released from captivity right away. I'm sure there are instances where kidnappers or rapists keep their victim with them for several days, if not weeks/months/years.

[forgottenrazor]

hmm,i think that woman should have the choice in wether they decide what to do with they're kids.I mean if you think about it,if the person doesnt have such a great life and to add on a baby i think your just spareing the kid & saving him from having to live in a world of poverty and such,but then people should also take responsiblity for they're actions.

[JlIaTMK]

abortion.... i dont think its right but kathleen.... i was raised into a family with abortions and i dont see it as right.... so dontsteriotype ok?

[inlonelinessidie]

It depends on how you're brought up. Everyone's different. Obviously, if you've grown up in a family full of women who get abortions left and right, you're going to think it's normal. On the other hand, if you see it as downright murder, you're going to think it's appalling to society.

I agree. But yeah that kinda is stereotype, not all people turn out that way but a majority does.

[islandkiss]

what if a woman was raped and abortion was illegal. so she's forced to take care of that baby?..

let's say a woman does get pregant.. and she realizes that she's unable to care for the baby.. don't most ppl learn from their mistakes? abortion gives some ppl a second chance.

[aGAinSHexscrEmS]

ABORTION IS MURDER!! i suppose i kind of understand why someone would get one, but how could you LIVE with that decision????! i know everyone says that the doctor is the murderer, which i guess is true, but would the doctor be doing that had you not told them to?! NOO!! i mean, it is SO NOT RIGHT to kill someone because of a mistake that YOU made, just so YOU can live how you want to-- it's completely, 100% SELFISH!!! and some people are all like "well you're not killing anyone-- you're just taking tissue out of your body" or whatever, but excuse me, TISSUE DOES NOT HAVE A HEART BEAT!!!!!!!!!!!! a fetus, however, DOES. if there is one thing in this world that i am 100% STRONGLY against, it is most definitely abortion. and even worse, do you know why "planned parenthood" was started?! to eliminate unwanted races (ex: african americans). that means that if you, as a mother, are saying "here kill my child", then you are really the same as HITLER, putting people in extermination camps!! i just really do NOT understand how people can be for abortion. i'm not really republican, because i'm for the people, but guess what?? the fetuses ARE PEOPLE!!!!!!! they may not be fully developed or anything, but THEY HAVE A HEARTBEAT which MAKES THEM A LIVING BEING and by aborting, you are KILLING. ABORTION IS HOMICIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! something seriously needs to be done to stop it. i mean, okay just go to google images, type in abortion, and LOOK at those little babies (which are clearly ALIVE and HUMAN)... i really just don't get HOW you could DO that... and i hope there isn't ONE SINGLE vegetarian out there who says that abortion is okay (because most are democrats) on account of IT IS KILLING AN ANIMAL (yes, humans are animals too!)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but let me just end with this:

YOU WILL NOT SILENCE MY MESSAGE
YOU WILL NOT MOCK MY GOD
YOU WILL STOP KILLING MY GENERATION

ROE v. WADE MUST GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rock for life

[Spirited Away]

ABORTION IS MURDER!! i suppose i kind of understand why someone would get one, but how could you LIVE with that decision????

It's the person's decision, so let them deal with their conscience. What does their peace of mind have to do with you? I mean, sure, they could go crazy and kill people, but what's the likelihood of that happening?

ABORTION IS HOMICIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's not what the law says... it's only your opinion.

[Sumiaki]

In some cases im against abortion and some i agree with abortion. For me, it depends on the scenario.

Say for instance a women gets raped. I would think she would have every right to get an abortion. It was not her choice to have sexual intercourse.

On the otherhand. If it was her choice to have sexual intercourse, i believe she should live with the responsibility of her actions. It's like killing a child because you made a mistake. In this case, abortion would seem like a "quick fix" and the woman would learn nothing from it.

But then again that's just my opinion.

[sweetdreamsx3]

It depends if abortion is alright because if you get raped, then you do have the right to have it aborted, but then again if you chose to have sex and you're pregnant, then you should deal with it..

Agreed with wunkrazieepinoy

[leeeza702]

its murder, just like murder someone older. it's murder. you make the choice to have sex.

I agree with you... shouldn't the choice be whether or not to have sex?? and NOT whether or not to have an abortion??

Un-Protected Sex = More chances of getting pregnant
Protected Sex = Less chances of getting pregnant

there are ways of avoiding getting pregnant... why do you have to do something after when you can do something before??

and in the cases of rape and/or sexual assault... I believe that since the person who got raped or sexually assaulted didn't choose to have sex, that then it's okay to get an abortion...

//EDIT// and I KNOW that this is only MY OPINION, and that everyone else will have a different opinion on it... just wanted to get that out of the way...

[mizz_mithy]

i see both sides.

if u have unprotected sex that was your choice and u have to deal with the consience. it was your choice to have sex therefore u have to dealwhat comes along with it. if your not ready to have a child than u should have thought about htat b4. in this sort of thing i think abortion is wrong. plus your killing your own child. a child has to die because you wer careless about what would happen the future.

but...

if you get raped it's a whole diffrent story.why would u want the child of your father to be a rapist? u didn't even have a choice whether wanted he child or not. in this case i think abortion it ok.

[slurp]

im really against it, i mean if youre not going to take care of the baby at least let the baby stay at an adoption place or something rather than killing it..

[sikdragon]

ok i made a comment on abortion explaining how it is inexcusable in any sense in another topic, QUIT MAKING NEW TOPICS ON THE SAME THING, just comment in the old one. Things like this are spam to me.

[s0emotionalx3]

I personally think it's okay. All of you out there who are saying it's murder, yes it IS murder and it is a living thing we're killing. But don't tell me you guys haven't killed anything like flies or anything. Why are you so worried about something that's being killed when it cannot even feel it? Do YOU remember how you felt when you were a fetus? I don't think so. So how do you know they can actually feel the pain? I don't see you guys arguing about killing other animals so why are you worried about killing a human baby thats not even fully developed yet and probably cannot feel what is happening yet.

And yes, women don't have to do abortion. They can put the baby into adoption but imagine if everyone who had a baby did that. Not all of those kiddys are going to be adopted. SOme of them are going to be orphaned. And not all those kiddys are going to go into a great family and forever wonder who their real parents are and why they didn't want them. Those of you who are adopted into a good family, good for you. But that is not the case for everyone. Some can lead a miserable life instead and you can't promise that won't happen. It could've been better off without them spending their whole life wondering about what could've once been.

And it IS the woman's decision whether or not to have sex. If she did it for the pleasure for it with a guy she trusted, then yes. SHe does deserve to have that baby and should not be allowed the privilage of abortion. However, like you all said, everyone deserves second chances. SO why not the mother too? If she did it over and over then she deserves it. If it was her first time, then shouldnt she deserve a second chance too?

But sometimes even if it IS the girl's choice, she should be allowed it. Because look at the world today. Theres peer pressure, rape, television, etc. Don't tell me none of you guys gave in to peer pressure ever before because Im sure as a teen, it's hard not to. Just because that one girl's decision to give in to those things or have rape happen to them is worse than yours, doesn't mean they DESERVE it. THey too can regret it

ANd yes I just rambled on and on so sorry

[sporadic]

Using a condom is just like abortion. imagine all the babies that aren't born because of condoms and birth control.

Just because the sperm is already in the egg doesn't make much of a difference. I don't see why abortion is so wrong.

I mean, if you kill a semi-conscience baby... yeah, that's wrong. But if it's not even a fetus? I say it's still the future mom's decision to make.

[*Kathleen*]

[quote]Not all women are released from captivity right away. I'm sure there are instances where kidnappers or rapists keep their victim with them for several days, if not weeks/months/years. [/quote]
I know, but I'm saying what about those that are only raped in one night?
[quote]I agree. But yeah that kinda is stereotype, not all people turn out that way but a majority does. [/quote]
I wouldn't call that a stereotype. I see a stereotype as "All goths are suicidal." It's what they're known for. When I said that, I was thinking about how parents pass down their beliefs to their children, and children usually take the same morals they're taught. How is that a stereotype?
[quote]let's say a woman does get pregant.. and she realizes that she's unable to care for the baby.. don't most ppl learn from their mistakes? abortion gives some ppl a second chance.[/quote]
And sex addicts? Those that are going to have sex left and right and can't get enough of it? Once they get an abortion, they'll want to keep having sex and whatnot and I'm sure it won't phase them.
[quote]In some cases im against abortion and some i agree with abortion. For me, it depends on the scenario.

Say for instance a women gets raped. I would think she would have every right to get an abortion. It was not her choice to have sexual intercourse.

On the otherhand. If it was her choice to have sexual intercourse, i believe she should live with the responsibility of her actions. It's like killing a child because you made a mistake. In this case, abortion would seem like a "quick fix" and the woman would learn nothing from it.

But then again that's just my opinion. [/quote]
[quote]It depends if abortion is alright because if you get raped, then you do have the right to have it aborted, but then again if you chose to have sex and you're pregnant, then you should deal with it..

Agreed with wunkrazieepinoy [/quote]
Half of that child belongs to the mother, too, you know. I mean, it's just as if some pregnant teenager found out she was pregnant after she broke up with her boyfriend. The boyfriend won't support her, so she'll have to take care of it herself.
[quote]and in the cases of rape and/or sexual assault... I believe that since the person who got raped or sexually assaulted didn't choose to have sex, that then it's okay to get an abortion...[/quote]
Yes, but everyone's saying this. You can either have or not have abortion. I mean, just because the father was a criminal doesn't mean the child has to pay. I know that the mother would have to go through it, but it's her child as well.
[quote]ok i made a comment on abortion explaining how it is inexcusable in any sense in another topic, QUIT MAKING NEW TOPICS ON THE SAME THING, just comment in the old one. Things like this are spam to me. [/quote]
Yeah, I was wondering why the heck there's another thread on this.
[quote]I personally think it's okay. All of you out there who are saying it's murder, yes it IS murder and it is a living thing we're killing. But don't tell me you guys haven't killed anything like flies or anything. Why are you so worried about something that's being killed when it cannot even feel it? Do YOU remember how you felt when you were a fetus? I don't think so. So how do you know they can actually feel the pain? I don't see you guys arguing about killing other animals so why are you worried about killing a human baby thats not even fully developed yet and probably cannot feel what is happening yet.[/quote]
Mmm you're comparing flies to human beings? Furthermore, it's not the fact that they can't feel it, think about it not being able to fulfill it's life. Who knows. What would happen if our most famous presidents' mothers had an abortion? What if the next doctor to find a cure to AIDS is aborted? Hmm?
[quote]And yes, women don't have to do abortion. They can put the baby into adoption but imagine if everyone who had a baby did that. Not all of those kiddys are going to be adopted. SOme of them are going to be orphaned. And not all those kiddys are going to go into a great family and forever wonder who their real parents are and why they didn't want them. Those of you who are adopted into a good family, good for you. But that is not the case for everyone. Some can lead a miserable life instead and you can't promise that won't happen. It could've been better off without them spending their whole life wondering about what could've once been.[/quote]
Meh I've said this so many times before, but I'll say it again. Okay, so do you remember what happens when we people in the United States turn eighteen? That's right. We get to live our own lives. We're free. We can go out into the world and make something of ourselves. We can live better lives if we work hard enough. Those kids that stay in orphanages probably have even more of a drive to make something of themselves and be happy one day. They have their whole lives ahead of them.
[quote]And it IS the woman's decision whether or not to have sex. If she did it for the pleasure for it with a guy she trusted, then yes. SHe does deserve to have that baby and should not be allowed the privilage of abortion. However, like you all said, everyone deserves second chances. SO why not the mother too? If she did it over and over then she deserves it. If it was her first time, then shouldnt she deserve a second chance too?[/quote]
So because you were happy for that period of time, it gives you the right to kill a human fetus?
[quote]But sometimes even if it IS the girl's choice, she should be allowed it. Because look at the world today. Theres peer pressure, rape, television, etc. Don't tell me none of you guys gave in to peer pressure ever before because Im sure as a teen, it's hard not to. Just because that one girl's decision to give in to those things or have rape happen to them is worse than yours, doesn't mean they DESERVE it. THey too can regret it[/quote]
How many health classes are there in schools today that tell you how to have protected sex? They can still have "fun" if they wear a condom. That is their fault for not wearing one.

[sporadic]

I get what you're saying. I think abortion should be legal, but there should be a point in the development of the child where it's not allowed. I'd say as soon as the baby develops even partial consciousness.

I mean, if you're simply getting rid of an egg with a sperm in it, that's like stepping on an ant. The baby won't be able to feel pain, anyway.

Being pregnant as a teen is also just a natural punishment for naughty teens. But only the girl absolutely has to live with the "burden" (sorry if that sounds cold)

But the punishment is up to the parents.

I, personally would prefer adoption over abortion, because there are a lot of good families out there that want to adopt babies, and instead of throwing away a happy family, it'd be better to give the babe a chance.

Sometimes, though, the girl might not even have a say in the matter. It might just be better for the child, in the end...

[Spirited Away]

Yes, but everyone's saying this. You can either have or not have abortion. I mean, just because the father was a criminal doesn't mean the child has to pay. I know that the mother would have to go through it, but it's her child as well.

I've recently read about different "day-after" pills and that seems like a good alternative, but I wonder if that's not or is the same as abortion?

As for the child paying for the father's crimes, many people do not consider a fetus a child. There's always the controversy about when the prospective child is actually living being...

I totally understand where you're coming from. The situation with sex addicts who choose abortion is almost... shameful to me. It's horrible when people think that it's okay to get rid of prospective life whenever they see fit. But I also consider that there are women, though few in numbers, who would only consider abortion in life and death situations. Therefore, I do not concur to making abortion illegal to those who desperately need it.

What would happen if our most famous presidents' mothers had an abortion? What if the next doctor to find a cure to AIDS is aborted? Hmm?

This is a problematic point.... because of the fact that contraceptions can prevent pregnancy would mean that contraceptions also prevent the next doctor or find the cure for AIDS to ever exist as well. If you mean it like that, then contraceptions would be as bad as abortions.

[inthemudhole]

Hm.
I'm kind of iffy on abortion.

I think the decision should be up to the woman.
She should decide instead of it being illegal/legal and such.

If I was in the situation, I personally would have the child, and put it up for adoption. I'm sure there would be a loving family ready to have it.

I think it changes if the person was raped, though..

[s0emotionalx3]

Mmm you're comparing flies to human beings? Furthermore, it's not the fact that they can't feel it, think about it not being able to fulfill it's life. Who knows. What would happen if our most famous presidents' mothers had an abortion? What if the next doctor to find a cure to AIDS is aborted? Hmm

You can't say what would happen if the most famous presidents' mothers or next doctor to find a cure was aborted because nothing would happen, therefore something else CAN happen. Say if a famous president right now was never here because he was aborted as a fetus. We cant compare it to what CAN happen because that person would've never been here in the first place. We can't just say "Oh that cure wasn't here because the person who was suppose to invent it was aborted". Someone else can who IS born may do it too. Ok idk if I just made sense or not

Meh I've said this so many times before, but I'll say it again. Okay, so do you remember what happens when we people in the United States turn eighteen? That's right. We get to live our own lives. We're free. We can go out into the world and make something of ourselves. We can live better lives if we work hard enough. Those kids that stay in orphanages probably have even more of a drive to make something of themselves and be happy one day. They have their whole lives ahead of them.

I agree that those kids may have thier whole lives ahead of them and the thought of having no parents could drive them. However, not everyone who was put up into adoption can do that. It jus matters how you look at it. And what about those who aren't adopted and stays in the orphange all their lives? Do you really think all of them will suceed just because the thought of never having someone there for them will drive all of them to make something of themselves?

So because you were happy for that period of time, it gives you the right to kill a human fetus?

No. I said that she deserves to have the baby. However, everyone makes mistakes in life and as you all said, everything deserves a second chance. So I dont see why a woman who REGRETS getting pregnant can't have a second chance and realize her mistakes and NOT have people pointing at her calling her names.

How many health classes are there in schools today that tell you how to have protected sex? They can still have "fun" if they wear a condom. That is their fault for not wearing one.

Condoms don't prevent pregnancy 100%. You can't say it is their fault for not wearing one because no one really knows if the condom really does protect you or not in the beginning. If they did, so many teenage pregnancies probably wouldn't have happened except for those who did NOT use protection or was raped

[sporadic]

What would happen if our most famous presidents' mothers had an abortion? What if the next doctor to find a cure to AIDS is aborted? Hmm

What happens if the terrorist that is going to destroy the US and every one of us is aborted?

[Spirited Away]

What happens if the terrorist that is going to destroy the US and every one of us is aborted?

I don't understand your question, or else I would try to answer it.

[sporadic]

What if some future terrorist was supposed to be born, like the second coming of Hitler, except much worse and much more powerful, but the mother decided to have an abortion?

Some one said something about presidents and doctors being aborted, so I'm just saying it could happen the other way around, too.

[sikdragon]

what?? if the second coming of hitler comes? what if there is no people who are waiting for his kind of change? that would have to be a lot of abortions to make sure he doesnt come to power. ur reasoning does not justify abortion.

[*Kathleen*]

And what about those who aren't adopted and stays in the orphange all their lives? Do you really think all of them will suceed just because the thought of never having someone there for them will drive all of them to make something of themselves?

You're allowed to leave an orphanage when you're an adult, or eighteen years of age.

Condoms don't prevent pregnancy 100%. You can't say it is their fault for not wearing one because no one really knows if the condom really does protect you or not in the beginning. If they did, so many teenage pregnancies probably wouldn't have happened except for those who did NOT use protection or was raped

Well yeah, but I'm saying that it could certainly save a few abortions with using condoms. Or what happened to abstinence?

What if some future terrorist was supposed to be born, like the second coming of Hitler, except much worse and much more powerful, but the mother decided to have an abortion?

Some one said something about presidents and doctors being aborted, so I'm just saying it could happen the other way around, too.

But that only happens when they're brought up with that. You're born with leadership skills and whatnot.

[vivieeeen]

well. Abortion is okay when you think that having sex is a must and you just have to do it so the "making choices part" would turn into the decision of having (or not) the child

meh- just a thought

[mouse_3k]

for me, its right and wrong. i mean maybe the mother isnt ready for the baby. why should you bring a baby into the world if your not gunna be able to support it?

but it is wrong if you are gunna just abort the baby and just make the same mistake again and again and again. for those ppl, i think they should just have the baby and learn from the mistake.

[*Kathleen*]

but it is wrong if you are gunna just abort the baby and just make the same mistake again and again and again. for those ppl, i think they should just have the baby and learn from the mistake.

But how could you determine when a woman comes in a clinic to get an abortion? She could always lie and say it's her first.

for me, its right and wrong. i mean maybe the mother isnt ready for the baby. why should you bring a baby into the world if your not gunna be able to support it?

There are tons of families out there that would love to adopt children and are financially stable enough to care for it. Also, who says that you won't have a family to help you?

[is2diexd]

Well i think the situation as alot to do with if its right or wrong..
Its wrong to destroy life, but i think it could be better for the Baby's life
If like the mother has a financial problem, most likely the baby later on
would be sent to an adoption center or one of those homeless places.

and i don't those people on the street should protest against abortion because
If they are not going to raise the baby who was about to be aborted,
they shouldn't say anything about it because actually its none of their business.

If you were raped and you didn't do anything about it, or couldn't do anything about it, i think abortion is right because, because of the baby you can ruin your whole life.

but i think having the baby and aborting it and making the SAME EXACT mistake is really stupid, and only stupid would be doing that, because doesn't abortion take money too ?

[*Kathleen*]

and i don't those people on the street should protest against abortion because
If they are not going to raise the baby who was about to be aborted,
they shouldn't say anything about it because actually its none of their business.

I don't think people on the street are having babies.

If you were raped and you didn't do anything about it, or couldn't do anything about it, i think abortion is right because, because of the baby you can ruin your whole life.

You can ruin your life by giving it up for adoption to people that love it?