Mr. Bush, let us discuss Options

[xoxoxx]

Do you hate him? If you do, why?

I have no comment about him, because I really don't know enough to say I dislike him, or to say I do like him.

A lot of people make fun of him, and from the way I see it, others join in and make fun of him too, saying they hate him as well.

That annoys me.

Everything annoys me these days.

So tell me about Mr. Bush, and explain why you dislike him, or like him.

BECAUSE YOUR OPINION COUNTS!

[*Podomaht*]

debate.

[multifaceted]

I don't like him. I just never agreed with his ideas on anything. When he was running against Al Gore, I was so pissed that he won. And I was more pissed when he won again against Kerry. No particular reason why. Maybe it is the fact that I'm a Democrat and he is a Republican.

[sweetangel2128]

I wouldn't say I hate him cause I really don't know him but I do dislike him because of some of the things he's done and I disgree with it but I choose not to worry so much because we can't force him to not be president anymore. And from what I heard he wont allow stem cell research to happen because he's Christian and it goes against his beliefs which I don't think is right because he's the president and I think that research SHOULD be allowed. Another reason why I dislike him.

[HARDCOREx]

I don't agree with a lot of things he does.. From what i hear [I've never actually watched enough of his talking things to know myself] he's awful when it comes to grammar and such.. I agree with staying in Iraq, but i don't agree with the way he's doing it.

I can't hate him, really, i'd have to have complete facts on his personality. But i really don't like him much either because a few of the "laws" he's passed. Then again that means i don't like quite a few people because he wasn't the only person who passed them..

[kimmytree]

I dont like the guy. He STOLE the election in 2000. Gore techically won. I think he's just a puppet. We dont belong in Iraq. More people have died fighting for our country in the middle east than people who actually died in the attacks. We broke international law by overthrowing a leader. Heck, we didnt even have a reson for invading. Yeah, Hussein was a bad guy, but had nothing to do with 9/11. Now we've opened up a massive can of worms and cant leave, when really we should.

Gahhhhh. :[

[*My Cinderella.*]

I honestly don't like Bush. He's very inconsiderate of the troops that have to be send to Iraq. Why continue with war as well as have the families of the soldiers suffer watching. I hope the new president isn't as...I don't know the word as this one.

[HakunaMatata]

I am not nearly educated enough in the dealings of President Bush to make an informed opinion on him.

But, in a semi-related note, I am also fairly annoyed at the trend that is to hate him. I live in the Bay Area, and for some reason people think that because of that they should be liberal and Bush-hating. I ask them why and they don't know. They don't know why they hate him.

Smart.

Oh, and I have received replies that they hate him because of the war. That, to me, gets you half-way there. C'mon, is that really all you know about him? Do you honestly believe that he's the only one that started this war? This isn't to say that I agree with the war, but you gotta' have more evidence than that. He has policies, you know, other things that got him elected (of course, the fact that he was legally elected is debatable, but that's another matter).

I do, however, respect those who do and those who don't like him based on actual evidence and research.

[Anna-x-chan]

I hate him, I don't think anything hes done was good especially sending troops in Iraq, I think it was UN-NEEDED for that, if he was to run for 10 more years I highly doubt there would be a United States to be honest, there would be a huge war because hes getting into other peoples business, thats my upinion.

[*annonymous.*]

Yes, I'm like the rest of the people who replied to this topic. I hate Bush. He started a war with Iraq, which wasn't even needed. He f**ked up the whole US, and what pisses me off is that he started the war, and is killing a lot of innocent civilians in Iraq AND he is killing the people of our country. Yeah, they died for our country, but it would be better if they STAYED ALIVE. He's a damn idiotic person, who needs to go to hell.

I never liked him, and I never will change my opinion about him. I don't get HOW he won the election two times. He hasn't done any good for our country in the past 4 years, so how the hell did people choose to vote for him AGAIN? His dad also f**ked up the country too.

Also, I'm pretty sure there was already a lot of topics on Bush before.

[silly ol' man]

I hate him, I don't think anything hes done was good especially sending troops in Iraq, I think it was UN-NEEDED for that, if he was to run for 10 more years I highly doubt there would be a United States to be honest, there would be a huge war because hes getting into other peoples business, thats my upinion.

Not to bust your chops or anything, but do you really think the current conflict is as serious, deadly, or pointless as Vietnam? The USA didn't implode on itself then. Believe it or not, it's lasted for about 40 more years!

Don't misunderstand my point here; I don't believe the conflict in Iraq is strategic or necessary just as much as the next chum, but before I go making doomsday claims that the USA would be toast in 10 more years if we don't flee before then, I take a cursory glance at the history pages. Once you try that, you might soon realize that this country has endured lots worse than the war in Iraq.

And that, my friend, is an "upinion" based upon logic and not pure "this is what I think, l0lz!!11"

Yes, I'm like the rest of the people who replied to this topic. I hate Bush. He started a war with Iraq, which wasn't even needed. He f**ked up the whole US, and what pisses me off is that he started the war, and is killing a lot of innocent civilians in Iraq AND he is killing the people of our country. Yeah, they died for our country, but it would be better if they STAYED ALIVE. He's a damn idiotic person, who needs to go to hell.

I never liked him, and I never will change my opinion about him. I don't get HOW he won the election two times. He hasn't done any good for our country in the past 4 years, so how the hell did people choose to vote for him AGAIN? His dad also f**ked up the country too.

Also, I'm pretty sure there was already a lot of topics on Bush before.

Once again, I'll reiterate the fact that I'm not a Bush sympathizer. I'm quite the antithesis, actually, and I wouldn't have voted for him (nor Kerry) in 2004. That being said, you need to consider how incorrect you are in some of your generalizations, just as the person before you. He's "f**ked up the whole US"? I'll admit, there are a few things gone awry, but the people in the 1990s claimed the very same thing about the state of the country (when it didn't have a Bush at the helm).

Let's examine your luxuries, a minute. You probably ate three square meals today, enjoyed a decent educational experience at school, took a shower, maybe enjoyed the outdoors? We know, obviously, you wired up to the internet (probably via broadband) and posted your generalization, etc etc. I'm willing to wager that you live a life relatively free of true turmoil (in relation to the turmoil that citizens of other countries, many of them industrialized, face).

Another thing I notice is how quickly you seem to forget that the Iraqi invasion had massive bipartisan support in Congress (77 to 23 in favor). How then, therefore, can you pin as much blame as you do on the president and let Congress wholly off the hook? Lambaste the president as much as you'd like -- that's your right -- but don't forget his supporting cast.

Now, let's say 2008 brings us a Democrat in the White House. Fantastic, I'd be happy knowing that a leader of my party was elected. However, I'll halt my naivety long enough to realize that not much is going to change. The Democrats hold the majority in the Congress now, and we haven't seen any real objection to or action against the Iraq war thus far. Why do you believe that as soon as a Democrat rolls into the White House all our problems will magically vanish?

[*salcha4u*]

^ Agreed.

Yes, I'm like the rest of the people who replied to this topic. I hate Bush. He started a war with Iraq, which wasn't even needed. He f**ked up the whole US, and what pisses me off is that he started the war, and is killing a lot of innocent civilians in Iraq AND he is killing the people of our country. Yeah, they died for our country, but it would be better if they STAYED ALIVE. He's a damn idiotic person, who needs to go to hell.

I never liked him, and I never will change my opinion about him. I don't get HOW he won the election two times. He hasn't done any good for our country in the past 4 years, so how the hell did people choose to vote for him AGAIN? His dad also f**ked up the country too.

Also, I'm pretty sure there was already a lot of topics on Bush before.

Why not? Bush won by popular vote the second time around. Of course, being president, he has done something. That huge tax cut, the immigration programs, "No Child Left Behind" even though fundings are ....unstable, 2007 State of the Union Address promised to increase use of alternative energy fuels after Gore made his "An Inconvenient Truth" documentary. VERY good documentary btw, I recommend it.

[silly ol' man]

^ Except that Al Gore is a master of hyperbole. Good ol' doomsday docs.

[cori-catastrophe]

Mr. Bush...oh where do I begin. To put it in simple terms, I do not agree with most of his choices & I think that he is a very selfish person. When the terrorist attacks first began, I did agree to send the troops over to Iraq. There was really no other choice at that point. But since he has sent all the others troops, I think that he is inconsiderate of their families & their personal lives. No one, not even Bush, knows exactally what victory is in this war that we are fighting. Right now in our war statusm we have nine wins & one loss. The loss was of course, Vietnam. I think that the war might be another Vietnam war. When you think about it, there are tons of similarities. In Iraq, they don't know who their friends are & who their enimies are. They are fighting in unfamiliar parts as well. We had a large debate about this topic in history class the other day & I had alot to say.

[kimmytree]

^ What? Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 to begin with.

Another thing I notice is how quickly you seem to forget that the Iraqi invasion had massive bipartisan support in Congress (77 to 23 in favor). How then, therefore, can you pin as much blame as you do on the president and let Congress wholly off the hook? Lambaste the president as much as you'd like -- that's your right -- but don't forget his supporting cast.

Well, from what I remember, they supported to allow Bush do whatever he thought was necessary... back when the UN started its investigations in Iraq looking for WMD. So in a sense, they were not completely supporting it.

[cori-catastrophe]

^ What? Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 to begin with.

How so?

[Kontroll]

I don't like him. I just never agreed with his ideas on anything. When he was running against Al Gore, I was so pissed that he won. And I was more pissed when he won again against Kerry. No particular reason why. Maybe it is the fact that I'm a Democrat and he is a Republican.

Well, that's got to tell you that this country is more republican than not.

I like him because he stands up for justice. Yeah, maybe he's not been our best president, but he does what he feels is right for America. Look. We haven't been attacked since 9/11. That's gotta count for something.

I'm not all political and whatnot, but I do try to follow it some what. I hate the fact that everyone has no clue why we're in Iraq. Oh, we're there because of the oil. We're there because Bush is just carrying on his father's legacy of trying to catch Saddam.

Also, I hate it when people bash Bush because they just think he's stupid. The guy isn't stupid. He went to Yale, he served in the armed forces. What the National Guard doesn't count? I really wish people would give him more credit. He might slip up with his words, but he's not an idiot. People just don't like him cause they think he's a dumb cowboy who shouldn't be in office cause he's slow. I really wish one of you could go be president and tell us all how easy it is.

Mr. Bush...oh where do I begin. To put it in simple terms, I do not agree with most of his choices & I think that he is a very selfish person. When the terrorist attacks first began, I did agree to send the troops over to Iraq. There was really no other choice at that point. But since he has sent all the others troops, I think that he is inconsiderate of their families & their personal lives. No one, not even Bush, knows exactally what victory is in this war that we are fighting. Right now in our war statusm we have nine wins & one loss. The loss was of course, Vietnam. I think that the war might be another Vietnam war. When you think about it, there are tons of similarities. In Iraq, they don't know who their friends are & who their enimies are. They are fighting in unfamiliar parts as well. We had a large debate about this topic in history class the other day & I had alot to say.

It's their jobs to fight. It's a job like any other except you hold a gun and you shoot the enemy. Alot of the soldiers were pumped to go over to Iraq and Afghanistan. Sure, some weren't but why did they join the Army then? When you join the Army you're prepared to give your life for your country.

This is a war on terrorism. We're trying to get rid of it. Don't tell us we don't have any place in it.

[cori-catastrophe]

It's their jobs to fight. It's a job like any other except you hold a gun and you shoot the enemy. Alot of the soldiers were pumped to go over to Iraq and Afghanistan. Sure, some weren't but why did they join the Army then? When you join the Army you're prepared to give your life for your country.

This is a war on terrorism. We're trying to get rid of it. Don't tell us we don't have any place in it.

So, what does that have to do with my post. I reliaze it's their job but a majority of them that has just been sent over there just got back from serving the first time. They were promised time back at home & he broke his promise.
And terrorism will never be elimiated.

[kimmytree]

How so?

Before we went to war, the US and the UN were investigating claims that Hussein had WMD... and before the UN could ever finish, we start attacking. And after 3-4 years of being over there, we still havent found any. None of the terrorists on the planes were Iraqi's, and there's still little proof that Hussein was funding terrorism.

That doesnt mean Hussein wasnt a bad guy... because he was. But just because he's a bad guy doesnt mean we can take him out. The president made false claims and lied about reasons for us going to war.

[Jinny]

i don't really hate him
but i don't really like him either
recently/few weeks ago, he sent even more troops to iraq
& even though it was for the war/country, hes like killing his own people.
he should at least think about the people who are already there.
and hes sending like, what, 348203948 more troops?!
i mean.. just... ADPIFUAP(UER(STMU@AP#OEFJCx

[magicfann]

I think it's funny how everyone talks about how Bush is such a f**king bad president, but then they realize that he is in fact, the PRESIDENT of the f**king UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Which by the way, is much more than anything you've ever accomplished in your life.

And it's cute how people say shit like "oh I'm a Democrat, so I clearly don't like Bush."
You f**king retards you vote for the man not for the party~

I also like how everyone hates him because he's f**king up in Iraq. Okay smartasses, what do you propose we do? In case you didn't know, we went to Iraq because the CIA, MI6, and the KGB had what they thought was reliable intelligence saying that Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. And honestly, if you think he "stole" the election in 2000, that's got to be the most bullshit I've ever heard. Even if he did, how would you explain his re-election in 2004 against Kerry.

And as a matter of fact, I don't even like Bush, I just hate it when people sees everyone around them hating Bush and start hating him for that reason too.



I also noticed someone stating that more people have died in Iraq than in the terrorist attacks here on September 11th.

Well no shit. You must be f**king retarded, the entire point of terrorist attacks isn't to cause a f**king genocide you moron, its to kill a few people and cause a whole bunch of fear. And on top of that it's a war in Iraq as opposed to a strike on one major city in the US. Maybe you don't know what the implications of the word are, but a lot more people are going to die in a war.

This post has been edited by magicfann: Feb 13 2007, 07:39 PM

[Smoogrish]

I am not nearly educated enough in the dealings of President Bush to make an informed opinion on him.

But, in a semi-related note, I am also fairly annoyed at the trend that is to hate him. I live in the Bay Area, and for some reason people think that because of that they should be liberal and Bush-hating. I ask them why and they don't know. They don't know why they hate him.

Smart.

Oh, and I have received replies that they hate him because of the war. That, to me, gets you half-way there. C'mon, is that really all you know about him? Do you honestly believe that he's the only one that started this war? This isn't to say that I agree with the war, but you gotta' have more evidence than that. He has policies, you know, other things that got him elected (of course, the fact that he was legally elected is debatable, but that's another matter).

I do, however, respect those who do and those who don't like him based on actual evidence and research.

Exactly. To be honest, I really have no strong opinions about him - however, Ithink that it was wrong to go into Iraq, especially without the proper evidence to support their claims - which they still haven't found. All those people who are like "OMG PULL THE TROOPS OUT NOW" don't really realize that you can't just go into a country, pull down the existing regime, and then leave the whole place in chaos.

I'm basically apathetic when it comes to President Bush. I'm just kinda wondering how people could elect a dumbass like him. Every average 7th grade magnet student could outperform him on the SAT.

[magicfann]

Exactly. To be honest, I really have no strong opinions about him - however, Ithink that it was wrong to go into Iraq, especially without the proper evidence to support their claims - which they still haven't found. All those people who are like "OMG PULL THE TROOPS OUT NOW" don't really realize that you can't just go into a country, pull down the existing regime, and then leave the whole place in chaos.

I'm basically apathetic when it comes to President Bush. I'm just kinda wondering how people could elect a dumbass like him. Every average 7th grade magnet student could outperform him on the SAT.

Except not every average 7th grade magnet student gets elected to be president.