gay and christian, can it happen? Options

[Juris Khan]

can someone be christian, really christian, follow christ and everything, and be gay? can you be a gay person (and i am targeting specifically guys in this thread) and still follow christ with all your heart, mind, and soul? Because the bible says that sexual impurity is wrong...but...iunno, it's a line...but i know so many people who are christians and follow christ with all they are, but struggle so hard with their homosexual feelings....

let's hear it...

[Mr. Slowjamz]

i have no clue .... i am very feminine ...but i don`t consider myself Gay.

[me1issaaaa]

One of my good friends just came out about a year ago, and he's still very religious. Idk.

[espressive]

Look at Davis from The Real World: Colorado.

[Joss-eh-lime]

i know girls are taking over the boys locker so...sorry
and this would be a good topic for the debate section


but my opinion..no you cant be gay and christian. the lifestyles contradict each other.

[espressive]

That's not a good answer. Why would we turn to TV for a religious question?
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I don't know, I've thought of this before and I end up going around in circles. At the end of the day, I don't think it's up to us to decide how Christian somebody is or can be. I think that's something God will judge.

Because he's a real person. Even if his life may be exaggerated by the producers, I think they identified him as gay and christian for a reason. The bigger picture is that this minority exists in society. Basically, this is what I'm saying with the comment I made - There are people that align themselves as gay christians. How do you tell them that they don't exist? Being gay and christian doesn't exist, therefore, you don't either? Seriously.

So now that we've established the existance of gay christians, the rest is yours to decide.

[espressive]

Oh. Mis-read. Went off on a unnecessary tangent. xD

To answer the question at hand, yes, I do think that is possible. Being Christian is about the belief in Jesus and exemplifying our faith in the way we live our lives. However, as humans, we are bound to make mistakes. These mistakes are called sins. Being gay is obviously a sin. So then, if you put this into the context of your question, you are asking, "can someone be christian, really christian, follow christ and everything, and be sinning? can you be a sinful person and still follow christ with all your heart, mind, and soul?" Yes, you could. See, the point of this is to put "being gay" on an equal table. They do not hold more or less value than another. All sins are equal in God's eye, except for the unforgivable sin of blasphemy. I don't know what it is, but people tend to look at being gay differently than let's say, if you lied. Sins are sins, people. Simple as that.


Maybe that didn't help or make any sense at all. It made sense in my mind at 3am. If not, just ignore this post....

[*kryogenix*]

Yeah you can be gay, as long as you don't have gay sex.

[*a painefull euphoria*]

^^what the hell.

hmm i dont know if thats possible. i mean dont those 2 ways of living kinda clash??
i dont even know.

[*kryogenix*]

^^what the hell.

hmm i dont know if thats possible. i mean dont those 2 ways of living kinda clash??
i dont even know.

Yeah, it's possible. You can be straight and choose not to have sex at all. Why can't you be gay and choose not to have sex?

[*a painefull euphoria*]

no i know that i mean being gay and christian i find that hard to really go together.but i dont know thats just me

[*kryogenix*]

no i know that i mean being gay and christian i find that hard to really go together.but i dont know thats just me

I know a few gay people who are Catholic... It doesn't seem that hard to me.

[Mr. Slowjamz]

I know a few gay people who are Catholic... It doesn't seem that hard to me.

one must really think in order to really understand there sexual orientation . . im very spiritual , and also catholic. i have feminine qualities . i can say i probably have 60% feminine side then masculine . i`ve been bullied criticized , heart broken all through my ages because i`ve been considered Gay . but through my faith . and through other understanding , i know that im not .

[*Uronacid*]

I don't know, you would be living in sin. If you believed in the bible and followed the bible you would always feel like crap about yourself... consistently feeling guilty about the life that you are leading. I mean, I guess being gay is just like any other sin. It's forgivable, but it's something that you are consistently doing. It's strange.

I think that it's possible to goto heaven. I know that I wouldn't risk it. Only the individual knows whether they are right with God or not. It's not your responsibility to get them into heaven or judge them. It's between the individual and God.

[Aerosoul]

I know a few gay people who are Catholic... It doesn't seem that hard to me.

not to you but the bible says that homosexuals wont go to heaven, even if they keep it in their mind and never "come out" they wont go to heaven and arent really good Christians changing words from the bible to make it look like there's nothing wrong with it. the bible says its wrong and the word is God so you cannot disobey or question it, im sorry but God is a tough guy.

[demolished]

You can be one. Not everyone follows strictly to the bible anyways, right? i mean, c'mon. How many you guys/girls are Christians and create a sin such as stealing, and etc

[tokyo-rose]

Yes, of course. Even if you are a devout Christian, you can't help your sexuality. It's part of who you are.

[*xcaitlinx*]

of course you can, that's like saying that people who have pre-marital sex or commit any other sins are not christian. i think it's ridiculous for people to say that they should be ex-communicated and crap because of their sexual orientation.

[*kryogenix*]

not to you but the bible says that homosexuals wont go to heaven, even if they keep it in their mind and never "come out" they wont go to heaven and arent really good Christians changing words from the bible to make it look like there's nothing wrong with it. the bible says its wrong and the word is God so you cannot disobey or question it, im sorry but God is a tough guy.

O RLY?

Show me.

Gay sex is what's prohibited. Being gay by itself and not having sex is not a sin.

[Juris Khan]

To answer the question at hand, yes, I do think that is possible. Being Christian is about the belief in Jesus and exemplifying our faith in the way we live our lives. However, as humans, we are bound to make mistakes. These mistakes are called sins. Being gay is obviously a sin. So then, if you put this into the context of your question, you are asking, "can someone be christian, really christian, follow christ and everything, and be sinning? can you be a sinful person and still follow christ with all your heart, mind, and soul?" Yes, you could. See, the point of this is to put "being gay" on an equal table. They do not hold more or less value than another. All sins are equal in God's eye, except for the unforgivable sin of blasphemy. I don't know what it is, but people tend to look at being gay differently than let's say, if you lied. Sins are sins, people. Simple as that.
Maybe that didn't help or make any sense at all. It made sense in my mind at 3am. If not, just ignore this post....

i think this is the direction i kinda wanted to go...but now, like i said in my other thread about christians on createblog, when you accept christ, it really is supposed to bring about a change...ie, you would be driven to sin less, and become more christlike and therefore you...iunno...this is going to come out wrong, but you wouldnt be gay...? i hope that came out better that i think it did.

[Jerico Drum]

I can say this with out a dout, yes! Yes, you can be gay and christian. Being Gay is just another sin then you can be forgiven for. The Bible says that the only thing that you can't be forgiven for is blasphemy. So taking part in gay sex can be forgiven. If you are gay it justmeans you may have a little more temptation to fight then others. But if you are gay and make no attempt to fight it I believe it says somewhere that homosexuals while not reach the kngdom of heaven, so you won't g to heaven if you die gay. So it would be hard on the person but you could be gay and chriatian. And I don't think there is anything wrong with gays going to church. They are sinners like the rest of us and they need forgiveness like the rest of us.

[ReggieM]

no

[espressive]

I don't know, you would be living in sin. If you believed in the bible and followed the bible you would always feel like crap about yourself... consistently feeling guilty about the life that you are leading. I mean, I guess being gay is just like any other sin. It's forgivable, but it's something that you are consistently doing. It's strange.

Isn't everybody constantly living in sin? Think about it. How many times do you sin daily? Sometimes, you sin without even knowing it. Because "being gay" is such a big deal, people tend to think that gay people sin more due to a sexuality preference? What the fcuk? Once again, All sins are equal in God's eye. Being gay doesn't have a higher value of sin than disobeying your parents.

Tell me, how do you constantly "be gay"? It's not like gay people are thinking of banging people of the same sex all the time. Because, really, that's the controversial issue with being gay, right? Sex and attraction with/to the same gender. There are other things that are usually associated with being gay, like a higher voice or an increased awareness of one's appearance... but that would mean girls are gay and sinning, which is ridiculous.

i think this is the direction i kinda wanted to go...but now, like i said in my other thread about christians on createblog, when you accept christ, it really is supposed to bring about a change...ie, you would be driven to sin less, and become more christlike and therefore you...iunno...this is going to come out wrong, but you wouldnt be gay...? i hope that came out better that i think it did.

Yes, it's suppose to, but whoever said that when you accepted Christ, you would suddenly change your sexual preference? Maybe the change occured in a different aspect of your life. And a lot of people think that being gay is a choice. You can choose to wake up one day and say, "I'm into the opposite sex now!" But think about it. Have you ever tried to bury your feelings about a certain somebody, like maybe after a break-up? Or if you really like somebody right now, try to tell yourself to not like that person anymore. It's not that easy eh? Harder than it sounds. Isn't that what being gay is? Liking people of the same sex? I dare you to tell the gay community that sexuality is a choice. Can you really decide who you like and don't?

[tropicalchic]

You can't choose to be gay, some people are and can not help it.

If god made you gay, then why would your choice in relationships make them a sinner?

[*Duchess of Dork*]

I firmly believe that no one is qualified to determine whether or not the two can't coexist. The most genuine honest idea is this one:

Gay sex is what's prohibited. Being gay by itself and not having sex is not a sin.

But even that is only according to the Bible. Also, the Bible has been intrepreted in different ways (ie, King James' version, etc). With that being said, who's to say what is absolute truth? Who are any of you to judge? To say that you can't be Christian AND gay is a judgement and one that shouldn't be made.

Also, isn't "God" supposed to be this benevolent being? You really, honestly believe he would keep someone out of heaven because of their sexual preference?

I understand, of course, that these are your opinions and by all means, have them. Please, have them. Just stating mine as well.

[*kryogenix*]

I firmly believe that no one is qualified to determine whether or not the two can't coexist. The most genuine honest idea is this one:

But even that is only according to the Bible. Also, the Bible has been intrepreted in different ways (ie, King James' version, etc). With that being said, who's to say what is absolute truth? Who are any of you to judge? To say that you can't be Christian AND gay is a judgement and one that shouldn't be made.

Also, isn't "God" supposed to be this benevolent being? You really, honestly believe he would keep someone out of heaven because of their sexual preference?

I understand, of course, that these are your opinions and by all means, have them. Please, have them. Just stating mine as well.

But I said you can be gay and be a Christian... Just no gay sex.

God isn't keeping anyone out of heaven. We make the choices, not him. Just because one is born gay doesn't mean that they are a sex maniac. I think some people have a messed up notion that all gay people are sex crazed and need gay sex to survive or to even have an identity. I know gay people who lead celibate lives... it's not impossible.

[Juris Khan]

You can't choose to be gay, some people are and can not help it.

If god made you gay, then why would your choice in relationships make them a sinner?

God doesnt make people gay. please dont take this wrong way, but to be gay would be an imperfection. and God does NOT make things imperfect. He is perfection and so everything he creates is initially perfect. so, to be gay would have to be a choice...because it is such a 'taboo' thing, and especially people who have this conflict of faith, and because we are dealing with lucifer, who is the Tempter, who was God's highest angel, and who is very powerful, it can feel like it's not a choice, like you were born that way. but it is a choice. and God does say in both the old and new testaments that sexual immorality is wrong. homosexuality is specifically mentioned in the old testament story of Lot(i dont know the reference, sorry.) so, it is a choice. now, i am not saying that if you are gay, you cannot enter the Kingdom of God, but what i am saying is that when you stand before God, i should think that he would be disappointed. because even if you do not have gay sex, when you look at others of the same sex and fantasize about them, that is lust, and lust is a sin. in fact, jesus says that one who lusts has committed adultery in his/her heart(again, i dont know the reference, but i'm pretty sure it's in Matthew). So to sum up everything i said, God's creations are initially perfect; homosexuality is a sin; therefore it is a choice to be gay; i believe you will get into heaven if you are gay, including acting on it, although God may be disappointed in you. and i think that that pretty much covers it.

[Kontroll]

Yes, you can be gay and a Christian. But it's wrong. Everyone's a sinner. Everyone has their problems. So, stop masterbating.

QUOTE:
You can't choose to be gay, some people are and can not help it.

If god made you gay, then why would your choice in relationships make them a sinner?

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That is the biggest load of crap I've heard. There is no emperical evidence that shows that people have genetic homosexual traits. It's from influence. c**t Rag.

[micro3214]

what about bi and Christian/catholic?

[lKVNiiKINKYl]

Isn't the act of sodomy what is considered "against" god? Because if it is, then people can still be gay and be hardcore christians as long as they don't act on it. If this isn't right, then just ignore me completely haha

[Dabme]

its shouldnt matter if your gay or not, if you believe in god then let it be.

[pedophile]

please dont take this wrong way, but to be gay would be an imperfection. and God does NOT make things imperfect. He is perfection and so everything he creates is initially perfect. so, to be gay would have to be a choice...because it is such a 'taboo' thing, and especially people who have this conflict of faith, and because we are dealing with lucifer, who is the Tempter, who was God's highest angel, and who is very powerful, it can feel like it's not a choice, like you were born that way.

So if someone were to be born w/ two heads, that would be considered perfect? I don't think anyone is born perfect. THAT is what makes somebody human. Everyone is born w/ flaws. & how would you know that it's a choice? Are YOU gay?

because even if you do not have gay sex, when you look at others of the same sex and fantasize about them, that is lust, and lust is a sin. in fact, jesus says that one who lusts has committed adultery in his/her heart(again, i dont know the reference, but i'm pretty sure it's in Matthew).

Excuse me, but WHAT PERSON DOESN'T FANTASIZE ABOUT PEOPLE? Whether it'd be a straight person fantasizing about bondage or a gay person fantasizing about gay sex, or about a straight person fantasizing about gay sex, we still fantasize.
&YES, lust is a sin, but so is gluttony, greed, etc.

Gay sex is what's prohibited. Being gay by itself and not having sex is not a sin.

I agree.

[heyyfrankie]

He is perfection and so everything he creates is initially perfect. so, to be gay would have to be a choice...because it is such a 'taboo' thing...

so...when did you CHOOSE to be straight?

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first of all, i'm still confused as to how being gay is a sin. People say that the bible states that homosexuality is wrong...others say that is doesn't. i HONESTLY don't know the true answer cuz i've neither personally researched the topid but ANYWAYS - -

how can being gay be a sin when it is how you are made, programmed....CREATED!!?
i've been gay all my life...since THE DAY I WAS BORN. even my parents were like, "oh...ever since you could walk, talk and show your personality...we knew you were gonna be gay"...

i never "TURNED" gay...nobody changed me... it's just how i am...it's WHO i am.

the same goes for straights...you've been straight all your life. you never sat down & logically thought...i shall be straight from now on.


...2nd of all, not having "gay sex" doesn't make you not gay...if you're gay...YOU'RE GAY. just had to clear that one up.

3rd...the question is -- can you be a christian & be gay. well, even though some may think that it goes against god...or it isn't spiritually/religiously correct...the fact of the matter is that there ARE people that are gay that claim to be christian and follow the christian way of life.

so yes. you can be christian & gay. now..if you go to heaven or hell is not up to us to decide...



&for future reference: gay (ALL MY LIFE)...Agnostic.

[isaac7820]

I say what ever makes you happy, its your life. As long as you don't take your life to dangerous. Gay, straight,bi, green or blue. You should get nothing but respect as a human being.

[homaniac]

From the very beginning in Genesis, God created man. Then, from part of the man, created woman. NOT man, again.

So, it means that God intends MAN to live with WOMAN.
NOT MAN WITH MAN or WOMAN with WOMAN.

and if one says that being gay is equal to other sins that we may live by the sins without trying to change, then, we do not feel sorry, we do not repent.

Here's what God says about repentance :

(Ezekiel 18;21-22)
"But if a wicked man turns away from all the sins he has committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, he will surely live; he will not die. .. "

sorry for the little 'preaching'. just my two cents

[*mishyerr*]

b/c i think that homosexuality is normal and "right," it is possbile. i'm sure there are many guys out there in that situation. it just proves that homosexuality exists everywhere, and is not irregular or sinful.

p.s. i think the bible is major B.S.

[ReggieM]

well you can be gay and christian but its just like if ur a drinker and a christian it can happen but ur living in sin so ur a christian but not born again. Everyone sins everday so i think the question is too broad.

[Juris Khan]

so...when did you CHOOSE to be straight?

i never chose to be straight...that is part of the initial perfection of being made by a perfect deity. and then, lets say, you start to have gay feelings and gay behaviours, and gay thoughts, and you decide that rather than try to figure out why, rather than sort through it and make an effort to live the way God wants you to, you decide "this is who i am" and you say "this is who i've always been" so that you dont have to worry about it being a choice on your part because you know that if it was choice, then you would be wrong...and it's human nature to want to not be wrong...so you say you were born that way so there's no chance you could be wrong...yup, that's all i got...it's a choice whether you want to admit it or not...

oh, and btw, black_heart, being a "drinker" is not a sin...it's not a sin to drink...in fact, jesus drank wine...it's a sin to overindulge in alcohol, to be a drunk...

[pedophile]

i never chose to be straight...that is part of the initial perfection of being made by a perfect deity. and then, lets say, you start to have gay feelings and gay behaviours, and gay thoughts, and you decide that rather than try to figure out why, rather than sort through it and make an effort to live the way God wants you to, you decide "this is who i am" and you say "this is who i've always been" so that you dont have to worry about it being a choice on your part because you know that if it was choice, then you would be wrong...and it's human nature to want to not be wrong...so you say you were born that way so there's no chance you could be wrong...yup, that's all i got...it's a choice whether you want to admit it or not...

NO ONE IS FCUKING BORN PERFECT.

Choosing your sexual orientation is like one day waking up saying, "I am gay & I like this guy sooo much," & then the next day waking up & saying, "I am straight & I like this girl now."

So what you are basicly implying is that you can choose who you like?
SO, for example, if you saw some hot chick walking, you would be able to decide whether you start liking her or not? What you're saying is that you're allowed to choose to like whoever the hell you desire, even if it means to turn "gay".

Choosing who you like is like choosing your own emotions. It's like saying you can choose to feel happy all the time. But then again, it rarely works that way.

Oh, & one more thing, if someone were to be able to choose to be gay, then why the hell would they choose to be gay if most people in the world are straight?


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[multifaceted]

Well you can be if you just don't follow that one line in the Bible.

Or you rather choose between religion or being gay? It really depends how faithful you are.

If I were in this kind of situation, I would choose gay. God made you and chose if you were to be gay or straight. So technically, you are not really a sinner.

And because I'm just a type of person that would place myself in front of others. Selfish, I know, but God made me that way.

[Juris Khan]

NO ONE IS FCUKING BORN PERFECT.

Choosing your sexual orientation is like one day waking up saying, "I am gay & I like this guy sooo much," & then the next day waking up & saying, "I am straight & I like this girl now."

So what you are basicly implying is that you can choose who you like?
SO, for example, if you saw some hot chick walking, you would be able to decide whether you start liking her or not? What you're saying is that you're allowed to choose to like whoever the hell you desire, even if it means to turn "gay".

Choosing who you like is like choosing your own emotions. It's like saying you can choose to feel happy all the time. But then again, it rarely works that way.

Oh, & one more thing, if someone were to be able to choose to be gay, then why the hell would they choose to be gay if most people in the world are straight?
fklgjfljgf

so, to answer your first question, i am not saying it is a conscious decision...we do make unconscious decisions all the time, whether we realise it or not...who we like, what emotions we feel, and what sexuality we feel are all unconscious decisions that we make, and they are like dreams: we can change them if we want. therefore, they are decisions, and we can choose to change them.

second of all, i, personally, am happy all the time...that's the way god made me. and it's a choice. there are many things in the day that could disturb me, but it never lasts more than 10 minutes because i choose to be cheerful.

[*mishyerr*]

God doesnt make people gay. please dont take this wrong way, but to be gay would be an imperfection. and God does NOT make things imperfect. He is perfection and so everything he creates is initially perfect. so, to be gay would have to be a choice...because it is such a 'taboo' thing, and especially people who have this conflict of faith, and because we are dealing with lucifer, who is the Tempter, who was God's highest angel, and who is very powerful, it can feel like it's not a choice, like you were born that way. but it is a choice. and God does say in both the old and new testaments that sexual immorality is wrong. homosexuality is specifically mentioned in the old testament story of Lot(i dont know the reference, sorry.) so, it is a choice. now, i am not saying that if you are gay, you cannot enter the Kingdom of God, but what i am saying is that when you stand before God, i should think that he would be disappointed. because even if you do not have gay sex, when you look at others of the same sex and fantasize about them, that is lust, and lust is a sin. in fact, jesus says that one who lusts has committed adultery in his/her heart(again, i dont know the reference, but i'm pretty sure it's in Matthew). So to sum up everything i said, God's creations are initially perfect; homosexuality is a sin; therefore it is a choice to be gay; i believe you will get into heaven if you are gay, including acting on it, although God may be disappointed in you. and i think that that pretty much covers it.

a little off topic, but... wow, i feel some pity for you.



this is not a reply to the person above;

i was once sucked into that religious stuff...
i don't understand why people condemn homosexuals. it has already been proven that homosexuality exists in even animals (of course they are not "christian" b/c animals don't have souls and don't go to the place called "heaven")
it's kind of pathetic that researchers even LOOK to animals to check whether it's "okay to be gay!" or not. if you believe in Christianity or one of its branches, didn't God create animals for humans to tame,control,etc? does that mean, we as humans, did not properly "guide" the animals?
also there are studies on the brain showing some hormones about attraction or something (i'm not very clear about this, b/c i didn't research deeply into it) that are similar in women and gay men.

falalala. i feel sorry for all those gay guys who love god with all their hearts but would be gay bashed and slaughtered (exaggeration) if they ever revealed their "horrific, dirty, terrible, deserving to burn FOR ALL OF ETERITY! sin"

[Juris Khan]

a little off topic, but... wow, i feel some pity for you.
this is not a reply to the person above;

i was once sucked into that religious stuff...
i don't understand why people condemn homosexuals. it has already been proven that homosexuality exists in even animals (of course they are not "christian" b/c animals don't have souls and don't go to the place called "heaven")
it's kind of pathetic that researchers even LOOK to animals to check whether it's "okay to be gay!" or not. if you believe in Christianity or one of its branches, didn't God create animals for humans to tame,control,etc? does that mean, we as humans, did not properly "guide" the animals?
also there are studies on the brain showing some hormones about attraction or something (i'm not very clear about this, b/c i didn't research deeply into it) that are similar in women and gay men.

falalala. i feel sorry for all those gay guys who love god with all their hearts but would be gay bashed and slaughtered (exaggeration) if they ever revealed their "horrific, dirty, terrible, deserving to burn FOR ALL OF ETERITY! sin"

why do you feel sorry for me? and btw, i do not bash gays, nor do i condemn them. i just wanted to know others views because i have a friend going through the exact same thing. and the "i have a friend" is not a euphemism for "me"
i believe that gays can go to heaven, but it's just a very awkward topic, and i'm not sure if what i believe is right or not. sometimes hearing what others say just helps, you know?

oh, one last thing, how was what you quoted from me off topic. i'm not trying to be incredulous or sarcastic, i really dont see how its off topic so if you tell me, i can fix it.

[*mishyerr*]

i don't know, you remind me of me before i stepped out of the my religion box. and i wasn't saying what YOU said was off topic, it was what i said. lol. sorry if i didn't make that clear.

also, i didn't say you condemn or bash gays, but a lot of people do. as i said, it was not a response to your qoute. and i'm not sure if gay people go to heaven either. hopefully they do. i mean if we look at all those priests that are pedophiles and molesters, don't they deserve heaven much less than gays who have done nothing but love? :/ that is, if heaven exists.

this reminds me of a postcard from postsecret!




oh haha, this is totally random, but how are you a senior member if i joined before you? *confused

[bat19]

Yes, you can be gay and a Christian. But it's wrong. Everyone's a sinner. Everyone has their problems. So, stop masterbating.

QUOTE:
You can't choose to be gay, some people are and can not help it.

If god made you gay, then why would your choice in relationships make them a sinner?

- - - -

That is the biggest load of crap I've heard. There is no emperical evidence that shows that people have genetic homosexual traits. It's from influence. c**t Rag.

Oh yeah? Well what about queer elephants? Or queer giraffes? Or queer koalas? Who's influencing the animal queers? I'm sure there isn't a Fab Five in the animal kingdom.
How many times Jake must we have this debate? I think that it doesn't matter whether you are born gay, become gay, are a christian, atheist, or anabaptist, everybody should be able to get married if they want to. I'd let Hermaphrodites marry if I could. They can't help it. They're "imperfect." Let's see someone try to convince a chick born with testicles that she is perfect because God made her that way. She'll slap those nuts in your face.
People like to get married because from birth they are brought up to believe that marriage is one of the most fundamental steps in life. Would you ban gay people from getting a job or getting a license or an apartment? If being gay is a choice then why are people so up in arms about gays adopting. The kid won't turn out gay unless he chooses to be gay, right? The whole marriage thing is so stupid. People have misconstrued and overemphasized the whole "IT SAYS IN THE BIBLE THAT MARRIAGE IS BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN!! GOD SAYS IT AND IT MUST BE SO!!" You forget that we have a seperation of church and state for just these reasons. Plus I'm sure that if God realized how much fun being gay was he'd put on his see through muscle shirt, gel his hair, and go to the nearest Filipino bathhouse. Maybe Jesus did just that, you never know. 18 years are unrecorded. That could be why god had forsaken him, for the huge gay orgy Jesus had the night before with his "partners" at which they all fell asleep and he started crying. Ha ha. That's a little over the line I guess. Anyways, if it were up to me, I'd abolish all sorts of marriage, just to shut people up. To quote Seth McFarlane "If you don't think that gays should be allowed to marry, then you're a f**ker."

P.S. For the record I am very straight but I believe in the basic rights of all human beings. If a dude wants to marry his sister's ex-boyfriend, more power to him.

So Yes, you can be Gay and Christian, but until tensions cease the best advice is to keep it private from your congregation.

[phillerthekiller]

well lets see... where to start...
no one's mentioned romans 1 yet (tmk) so let me say that thats the best place I can think of to start your search for the answer

Rom 1:27 "And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."

Notice the "leaving the natural use of the women" seems God's opinion is that gays are made not born... I won't agree with the "everyone is born perfect" claim but still born gay seems like more of an excuse than a reality

Rom 1:28 "And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient"

here I think we can take reprobate to mean- depraved: marked by immorality; deviating from what is considered right or proper or good

also if god has forsaken these people... then they are no longer christians... i believe...

Another verse comes to mind here.. namely Matthew 6:24
"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other"

I know its talking about money but its still valid!
As I see it serving any kind of homosexual temptations is to serve the devil... and well you can't serve em' both

furthermore, if Christianity is so wishy washy that it is possible to continually sin and still be in god's favor.. or as some have suggested, go to heaven... then what a detestable and useless endeavor it all must be.

Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

yeah thats the path of a "hardcore" christian ... or any believer for that matter...

most of you have been trained by modern society to TOLERATE... but leave this training out of your reasoning as to how a man can follow any sort of leader and betray his teachings at the same time..

[*mishyerr*]

well lets see... where to start...
no one's mentioned romans 1 yet (tmk) so let me say that thats the best place I can think of to start your search for the answer

Rom 1:27 "And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."

Notice the "leaving the natural use of the women" seems God's opinion is that gays are made not born... I won't agree with the "everyone is born perfect" claim but still born gay seems like more of an excuse than a reality

Rom 1:28 "And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient"

here I think we can take reprobate to mean- depraved: marked by immorality; deviating from what is considered right or proper or good

also if god has forsaken these people... then they are no longer christians... i believe...

Another verse comes to mind here.. namely Matthew 6:24
"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other"

I know its talking about money but its still valid!
As I see it serving any kind of homosexual temptations is to serve the devil... and well you can't serve em' both

furthermore, if Christianity is so wishy washy that it is possible to continually sin and still be in god's favor.. or as some have suggested, go to heaven... then what a detestable and useless endeavor it all must be.

Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

yeah thats the path of a "hardcore" christian ... or any believer for that matter...

most of you have been trained by modern society to TOLERATE... but leave this training out of your reasoning as to how a man can follow any sort of leader and betray his teachings at the same time..

hon, that's YOUR teachings.

not "his" or ours.

the original question is whether a gay person can be a christian.
well, can a sinner be a christian? damn right they can be. everyone here is a "sinner." just because someone is gay doesn't mean he has sinned any more than you have. the bible even says that stealing is the same as murdering (this might be out of "exact" context, sorry i didn't research into the book); both are sin. whenever you sin, you are serving the devil. you have "served" both many times.

[Juris Khan]

i don't know, you remind me of me before i stepped out of the my religion box. and i wasn't saying what YOU said was off topic, it was what i said. lol. sorry if i didn't make that clear.

also, i didn't say you condemn or bash gays, but a lot of people do. as i said, it was not a response to your qoute. and i'm not sure if gay people go to heaven either. hopefully they do. i mean if we look at all those priests that are pedophiles and molesters, don't they deserve heaven much less than gays who have done nothing but love? :/ that is, if heaven exists.

this reminds me of a postcard from postsecret!

oh haha, this is totally random, but how are you a senior member if i joined before you? *confused

i guess i just read your post wrong. i thought the very first part was towards me and the second part wasnt, so i was under the impression that you pitited me. i know that you did not accuse me of bashing, i was just clarifying for everyone. i myself am all for gay rights because they are humans too, and the whole point of christianity is LOVE. that's what Jesus was. That's what God IS. GOD is LOVE. if i had to describe God in one word, it would be LOVE. i do not condone, but nor do i condemn. i only LOVE. that's what God commands.

"20If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. 21And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother."
-1 John 4:20-21
and

" 34Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:

36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.""
-Matthew 22:34-40

so we see that the second greatest command is to love our neighbor as ourselves, and if we say we love God, but hate our brother/neighbor/etc, we lie. LIE. plain and simple.

and as to answer your question, i have no idea how i am a senior member and you are not in this circumstance...

[Kontroll]

hon, that's YOUR teachings.

not "his" or ours.

the original question is whether a gay person can be a christian.
well, can a sinner be a christian? damn right they can be. everyone here is a "sinner." just because someone is gay doesn't mean he has sinned any more than you have. the bible even says that stealing is the same as murdering (this might be out of "exact" context, sorry i didn't research into the book); both are sin. whenever you sin, you are serving the devil. you have "served" both many times.

True that stealing is a sin as much as murder, but some sins are untolerated by God. Such as HOMOSEXUALITY and blasphemy.

It's true that homosexuals can become Christians, but they can't live within that lifestyle anymore. They have to repent and walk away from that life style in order to become a Christian. I know it's not logical for a homosexual to not be able to become a Christian if he must give homosexuality up, or not be a Christian. But it's a moral stand point. You have to devote yourself 100 percent to God. Also, I'm not saying you must pray, worship and bow down to God every second of the day, I'm just saing that your life must follow what the Bible teaches. And it says that homosexuality is wrong. Therefore if you were to be a homosexual and a Christian would be contradictory.

I know we are all wrong and sin, but that's the point. We're humans. We sin. It's impossible not to. We were born with it... Homosexuality is just a sexual preference, which I feel is brought upon by outward influences and experiences. That's just me.

You're suppost to interpret the Bible as you see it, but not take it wrongly. It says that you shouldn't listen to any other man and believing him without searching it for yourself. Now, homosexuality is not changable in the Bible. It's constant. It won't and can't change.

Being a homosexual and a Christian is living a double life. Like, Killer said...
Another verse comes to mind here.. namely Matthew 6:24
"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other"

That's how I see it.

[*mishyerr*]

True that stealing is a sin as much as murder, but some sins are untolerated by God. Such as HOMOSEXUALITY and blasphemy.

It's true that homosexuals can become Christians, but they can't live within that lifestyle anymore. They have to repent and walk away from that life style in order to become a Christian. I know it's not logical for a homosexual to not be able to become a Christian if he must give homosexuality up, or not be a Christian. But it's a moral stand point. You have to devote yourself 100 percent to God. Also, I'm not saying you must pray, worship and bow down to God every second of the day, I'm just saing that your life must follow what the Bible teaches. And it says that homosexuality is wrong. Therefore if you were to be a homosexual and a Christian would be contradictory.

I know we are all wrong and sin, but that's the point. We're humans. We sin. It's impossible not to. We were born with it... Homosexuality is just a sexual preference, which I feel is brought upon by outward influences and experiences. That's just me.

You're suppost to interpret the Bible as you see it, but not take it wrongly. It says that you shouldn't listen to any other man and believing him without searching it for yourself. Now, homosexuality is not changable in the Bible. It's constant. It won't and can't change.

Being a homosexual and a Christian is living a double life. Like, Killer said...
Another verse comes to mind here.. namely Matthew 6:24
"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other"

That's how I see it.

Wait, so there are "tolerable" and "untolerable" sins? Then does that mean if murdering is on the same level as stealing, that murdering is "tolerable" by God?

I am incredibly spiteful towards religions that do not tolerate homosexuality after that "Westboro Church" crap that happened a while back. Completely unnecessary.

I am saying it simply as YES, a person can be homosexual and Christian. A Christian is someone who follows the teachings of God and Jesus in the Bible,etc. Just like water can be all 3 states at one moment, a person CAN be homosexual and Christian, no matter how contradictory the two seem. Obviously, it happens very much these days, and people are condemned, ridiculed, and bashed for it, unfortunately.


P.S. I think this should be moved to debate, not the boy's locker, lol.

[mmhmichelle]

no.

[*Uronacid*]

I heard somewhere that Gay-Christians goto a place called "hell" where they get the "gay" burned out so they can goto heaven.... A little birdie told me so.

[*mishyerr*]

I heard somewhere that Gay-Christians goto a place called "hell" where they get the "gay" burned out so they can goto heaven.... A little birdie told me so.

:( but,but
how do the other peoples go to Heaven?

[*mishyerr*]

...i hope there are only a few people in your cult!

This post has been edited by Arjuna Capulong: May 23 2007, 08:10 PM

[*mishyerr*]

That's exactly why I was offended. You used that vulgar word. And why are you so untolerant and rude? Churches shouldn't be "banning" people. It was a joke aimed at YOUR ignorance, and your church's.

You should be disgusted by how much you've already disgraced the reputation of your church and your religion.

People like you make me sick.

Hahahaha, yes, I belong to a cult. A cult that is tolerant and open to all types of people, whether they are gay or not.

And if anyone thinks I'm rude to this person,

his original message was like

"fags should go to hell; we don't allow gays at our church"

This post has been edited by Arjuna Capulong: May 23 2007, 08:11 PM

[*Uronacid*]

That's exactly why I was offended. You used that vulgar word. And why are you so untolerant and rude? Churches shouldn't be "banning" people. It was a joke aimed at YOUR ignorance, and your church's.

You should be disgusted by how much you've already disgraced the reputation of your church and your religion.

People like you make me sick.

Hahahaha, yes, I belong to a cult. A cult that is tolerant and open to all types of people, whether they are gay or not.

And if anyone thinks I'm rude to this person,

his original message was like

"fags should go to hell; we don't allow gays at our church"

I here that hell burns all the chocolate chunks off the dip stick.

[*mishyerr*]

I here that hell burns all the chocolate chunks off the dip stick.

0_0 SRSLY?

THAT'S WRS THAN I THOT!

[*Uronacid*]

0_0 SRSLY?

THAT'S WRS THAN I THOT!

I know... I thought it was to burn the gay out of them... then I asked another little birdie and he said, "Well no, it's because God doesn't want dirty dicks in heaven."

[*mishyerr*]

I know... I thought it was to burn the gay out of them... then I asked another little birdie and he said, "Well no, it's because God doesn't want dirty dicks in heaven."

Wait, so he doesn't burn the vanilla icing off? :/ 'Cause that's dirty, too.

[bat19]

Jesus was gay. Moses was super queer. Abraham loved the rainbow. You can't disprove it so you cant say I'm wrong. Go suck a dick.

[*Intercourse.*]

Jesus was gay. Moses was super queer. Abraham loved the rainbow. You can't disprove it so you cant say I'm wrong. Go suck a dick.

Oh, that interesting mind once again.

To stay on topic, I don't think it can happen. I just think you go to hell and thats it. If you want to be gay, so be it.

[*Uronacid*]

Wait, so he doesn't burn the vanilla icing off? :/ 'Cause that's dirty, too.

Jesus was gay. Moses was super queer. Abraham loved the rainbow. You can't disprove it so you cant say I'm wrong. Go suck a dick.

And they all lived in Vermont... wait, no... Providence Town, Massachusetts where people taste the rainbow... XD

P.S. I'm a Christian. Fags burn in hell burn, but we love them anyways.

[Kontroll]

...i hope there are only a few people in your cult!

See, that's not right. You're telling us we shouldn't judge homosexuals, but it's okay for you to judge us as Christians. Yeah, don't worry about it. It's fine.

[*Uronacid*]

See, that's not right. You're telling us we shouldn't judge homosexuals, but it's okay for you to judge us as Christians. Yeah, don't worry about it. It's fine.

Well, it's not us who is doing the judging... I mean, it does say that homo's goto hell... I didn't write it.. it was inspired by God.

Heh, I think homo's are fine. I mean, I could care less that they are homo's but... I jsut wish that they didn't' have to goto hell.

[pedophile]

WWJD?

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[mmhmichelle]

Christian threads at Createblog are overrated.

[*mishyerr*]

hahhahaa, i could care less about my post number. but obviously you do since you posted that!

and p.s. i know someone who's christian and gay. hopefully he doesn't attend your church.

[*mishyerr*]

i'm going to laugh when i see you in hell for being a hypocrite! :D

p.s did your pastor tell you to tell people they're going to go to hell and call gays "fags?" b/c if so, that's kinda mean :/

i'm not going to continue arguing with some narrow-minded, ignorant, hypocritical middle-schooler anymore. maybe one day you'll realize that gay people are above the level of dirt on the ground. they're the same as us: humans :]

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[*mishyerr*]

i'm so scared :[

i don't think you're right at all.
and on top of that
i think you're shittier than all the gays combined! :D

yeah, i'm glad your minister is someone who disrespects others for their choices.

i'd like to see who agrees with the fact that you call people "fags", then pretend to hide it b/c you're scared of everyone's reaction to how disgusting you are.

This post has been edited by Arjuna Capulong: May 23 2007, 08:12 PM

[*mishyerr*]

so? you are, too.
just b/c you're not homophobic doesn't mean you have the right to call homosexuals fags.

do you call black people the n-word? b/c Christianity used to teach that slavery was okay.

[pedophile]

Obviously some people can't understand sarcasm!

This post has been edited by Arjuna Capulong: May 23 2007, 08:12 PM

[*mishyerr*]

Obviously some people can't understand sarcasm!

lmao, ty!

to the middleschooler-

i didn't know it was okay for Christians to cuss. jeez. why are you acting like a jerk left and right?

[*mishyerr*]

THAT'S RIGHT?! YOU WANT TO LAUGH?! no way? ! you are like, so chill!

let's back to the original message. i'm irritated with ignorant little hypocrites like you b/c you call homosexuals 'fags', say they go to hell, and say your church doesn't allow them.

what church do you go to? or are you too afraid to represent your church, now, b/c you've completely humiliated it?

i'm pretty sure a lot of people think using the word fag is wrong. i made a poll in the lounge, so i guess we can wait and see if it's okay or not! ^_^

[*mishyerr*]

he thinks gays can't be christians

i think they can.

[THE END]

[iDecay]

Thanks, Michelle.

Yeah so, to make it short and simple. Why not?

Moved to debate.

[*annonymous.*]

I honestly think that this should be aloud. Why should a religion keep you from being what you want to be? Shouldn't god accept you for who you are? I just want to say that I support it.

[*Uronacid*]

No one is stopping gay men from saying that they are Christians. Being gay is just one of those few sins stated in the Bible that keep people from entering into the kingdom heaven... :p

They can believe and state that they are Christians all they want, and they have every right to do so. On the other hand, the bible states otherwise. The only person who really knows that you are right with God is you yourself. God will judge them. It sucks, but oh well what are you gonna do. Love em' while they're here because when they die they'll be fryin'.

[sweetangel2128]

I think it is definitly possible for a gay person to be REALLY a Christian. In fact, I have a friend who is gay and does do gay things but he is a Christian also. I think it's wrong for anyone to even judge someone on whether or not if they are a real Christian or not based on there orientation. Me, personally, I do not believe being gay is a sin, a lot of people are born into it and can't control who they love. Besides, being a Christian from my understanding is not about who you are but about following Christ and loving God.

[*mishyerr*]

I think it is definitly possible for a gay person to be REALLY a Christian. In fact, I have a friend who is gay and does do gay things but he is a Christian also. I think it's wrong for anyone to even judge someone on whether or not if they are a real Christian or not based on there orientation. Me, personally, I do not believe being gay is a sin, a lot of people are born into it and can't control who they love. Besides, being a Christian from my understanding is not about who you are but about following Christ and loving God.

yay; you're amazing.

[sweetangel2128]

No one is stopping gay men from saying that they are Christians. Being gay is just one of those few sins stated in the Bible that keep people from entering into the kingdom heaven... :p

So, are you saying anyone who makes any sin of any kind will not enter the kingdom of heaven? That must mean your one of those people because I do not know one person including Christians who "do not" sin. That from my understanding was the whole reason why Jesus Died on the cross, so we could go to Heaven.

[*mishyerr*]

So, are you saying anyone who makes any sin of any kind will not enter the kingdom of heaven? That must mean your one of those people because I do not know one person including Christians who "do not" sin. That from my understanding was the whole reason why Jesus Died on the cross, so we could go to Heaven.

lol, remember in the other discussion how there were "untolerable" sins (the ones where you deny the Holy Spirit) and "tolerable" sins? Well, being gay, apparently, is untolerable. According to some interpretations I suppose.

Although I completely disagree with that interpretation.

[devaani]

I'm a Christian but I still question some things.

Like what's wrong with being gay? It doesn't say in the bible "YOU CAN'T BE GAY".

Or does it?

[sweetangel2128]

I'm a Christian but I still question some things.

Like what's wrong with being gay? It doesn't say in the bible "YOU CAN'T BE GAY".

Or does it?

The Bible does say homosexuality is wrong.

Although I completely disagree with that interpretation.

I agree. It's actually one of the reasons why I am not a Christian anymore..theres just so much I disagree on.

[mmhmichelle]

You really think i care about my post number?
i'm just telling you what i think.
well,i'm sorry i offended you.

This post has been edited by Arjuna Capulong: May 23 2007, 08:13 PM

[bat19]

I think you two should just make out and have sex already, your both closeted homos so just own up to it.

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[sweetangel2128]

I think you two should just make out and have sex already, your both closeted homos so just own up to it.

Are you a Christian?

[sweetangel2128]

I understand where your coming from. I am not even gay and when I hear someone use the word "fag" to a gay person, it does offend me. It's not right. Were all human and we all deserve respect.

This post has been edited by Arjuna Capulong: May 23 2007, 08:27 PM

[magicfann]

No you fag.

[Rachel]

Stop trying to continue your argument with Michelle here. Take it back to AIM or PMs. This is your verbal warning.

Magicfann- Stop with the spam (That rhymed ha.)

Everyone else- Watch your language in this thread. There is no need for cursing or vulgar language. Also, keep it on topic but keep it respectful. Everyone has their own beliefs and are allowed to state them in this thread. No more attacking and whatnot. Verbal warning ya'll.

This post has been edited by Arjuna Capulong: May 23 2007, 08:27 PM

[*mishyerr*]

I understand where your coming from. I am not even gay and when I hear someone use the word "fag" to a gay person, it does offend me. It's not right. Were all human and we all deserve respect.

Anyways, I could care less about what he has to say anymore b/c he apologized like a thousand times through AIM, called himself [and me] ignorant, and even told me was a bisexual for a week. shrug* And asked if I would add him on Myspace. lol.
Oh, and freaked the hell out when I said I was going to email his minister, lmao.

Sorry, Rach, that's the last thing I'll say to him on this thread. <3

hahahahha one of us came out of that closet ;]

This post has been edited by Arjuna Capulong: Jun 5 2007, 09:26 PM

[sweetangel2128]

Well in that case, that's not right

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[Blaqheartedstar]

can someone be christian, really christian, follow christ and everything, and be gay? can you be a gay person (and i am targeting specifically guys in this thread) and still follow christ with all your heart, mind, and soul? Because the bible says that sexual impurity is wrong...but...iunno, it's a line...but i know so many people who are christians and follow christ with all they are, but struggle so hard with their homosexual feelings....

let's hear it...

on the 5th page... so i'm not sure if u got the answer you wanted

but when u think of it some people may say no because many hard-core followers don't want to promote homosexuality to up coming generations. but as you said the bible says that sexual impurity is wrong...but...iunno, it's a line... its just a line and people interpret the bible in many different ways, i can view the saying that god wants you to love all as a way to become openly gay, it may not mean that he wants you to love some one of the same sex as you would with someone of the opposite sex but again people interpret the bible in may different ways.
I suppose that if people follow God with their heart and soul then becoming gay isn't going to happen, but when it does then what? and many people have that dilemma day in and day out... i honestly have no idea how to answer such a question in a way to help those with the problem. i question God in many ways yet i can't seem to devote my life for him, i believe he is real for i was raised that way and being BI sexual leaves me where i am now. I never was a hard-core church go-er and i may not be for the next 20 years so i'm sorry if my facts and opinions are a bit off...

[sweetangel2128]

on the 5th page... so i'm not sure if u got the answer you wanted

but when u think of it some people may say no because many hard-core followers don't want to promote homosexuality to up coming generations. but as you said the bible says that sexual impurity is wrong...but...iunno, it's a line... its just a line and people interpret the bible in many different ways, i can view the saying that god wants you to love all as a way to become openly gay, it may not mean that he wants you to love some one of the same sex as you would with someone of the opposite sex but again people interpret the bible in may different ways.
I suppose that if people follow God with their heart and soul then becoming gay isn't going to happen, but when it does then what? and many people have that dilemma day in and day out... i honestly have no idea how to answer such a question in a way to help those with the problem. i question God in many ways yet i can't seem to devote my life for him, i believe he is real for i was raised that way and being BI sexual leaves me where i am now. I never was a hard-core church go-er and i may not be for the next 20 years so i'm sorry if my facts and opinions are a bit off...

Well, I think it's wonderful to have so many questions and be confused...it means your human and you do not need to follow God for him to love or accept you if he does exist.

[Blaqheartedstar]

yes, glad that u mentioned that... many would shun you for saying such... which is why this topic is a pain to answer...

and yes being confused is a human as ever it leaves room for learning

[Kontroll]

I understand where your coming from. I am not even gay and when I hear someone use the word "fag" to a gay person, it does offend me. It's not right. Were all human and we all deserve respect.

Don't be offended then. The world would be much better if we could say what we wanted to, nigga.

[mmhmichelle]

Sorry to get off-topic for a sec,but doesn't fag mean "bundle of sticks" ? LOL,i saw it in the dictionary xD

[Juris Khan]

on the 5th page... so i'm not sure if u got the answer you wanted

but when u think of it some people may say no because many hard-core followers don't want to promote homosexuality to up coming generations. but as you said the bible says that sexual impurity is wrong...but...iunno, it's a line... its just a line and people interpret the bible in many different ways, i can view the saying that god wants you to love all as a way to become openly gay, it may not mean that he wants you to love some one of the same sex as you would with someone of the opposite sex but again people interpret the bible in may different ways.
I suppose that if people follow God with their heart and soul then becoming gay isn't going to happen, but when it does then what? and many people have that dilemma day in and day out... i honestly have no idea how to answer such a question in a way to help those with the problem. i question God in many ways yet i can't seem to devote my life for him, i believe he is real for i was raised that way and being BI sexual leaves me where i am now. I never was a hard-core church go-er and i may not be for the next 20 years so i'm sorry if my facts and opinions are a bit off...

!!! yay! you are the absolute closest to what makes the most sense!!! my goodness......you are right, i suppose that if you follow God with all your heart those feelings wont come, but they do, which is what makes it all so painful for that person...and i dont have a good answer to why they come and what happens when they do...and you dont have to be a hard-core church-goer to be a christian...some people sadly have bad experiences with church...but i stick firmly by the belief i have adopted that "The local Church is the Hope of the World" from Bill Hybles....
i think that my real point is...since God says that all sins are equal, which in theory would include homosexuality, does that mean that you can live in that sin, just like you could any other, and come out on the other end of death forgiven and in heaven like you would with any other sin? and i kinda feel bad for all the hateful arguments that happened in this thread...i suppose i knew it would happen, but...iunno, i guess i hoped it could be different...but, um, yeah...that it...

[*Podomaht*]

no.

[sweetangel2128]

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!!! yay! you are the absolute closest to what makes the most sense!!! my goodness......you are right, i suppose that if you follow God with all your heart those feelings wont come, but they do, which is what makes it all so painful for that person...and i dont have a good answer to why they come and what happens when they do...and you dont have to be a hard-core church-goer to be a christian...some people sadly have bad experiences with church...but i stick firmly by the belief i have adopted that "The local Church is the Hope of the World" from Bill Hybles....
i think that my real point is...since God says that all sins are equal, which in theory would include homosexuality, does that mean that you can live in that sin, just like you could any other, and come out on the other end of death forgiven and in heaven like you would with any other sin? and i kinda feel bad for all the hateful arguments that happened in this thread...i suppose i knew it would happen, but...iunno, i guess i hoped it could be different...but, um, yeah...that it...

Some people can't help what they feel so no matter if there Christian or not they can't just get rid of the feelings..not everyone chooses that sort of lifestyle

[mandilynne]

If there was a god, he wouldnt be prejudice against the people he created.