Battle for the Next Generation, Xbox 360, Wii, and PS3 Options

[smoke]

I noticed that a lot of talk in the individual threads for the systems is about which is better, why this one sucks, etc. How about we settle it here? You can discuss who you think will pull through in the end and why you think which system totally pwns.

My vote is on the Wii although I'd been pulling for the 360 until recently. Xbox 360 is still my favorite, but the Wii is just amazing. I've finally had a chance to see the Wii in action, and I gotta say, it is amazing. People argue it lacks power and that's really the only argument against it. However, it's not "lacking" in power at all. It just doesn't have as much as PS3 or 360 but still has enough to suffice. It more than makes up for that with it's original design and features. Not to mention Nintendo is making pure profit from every sale unlike Microsoft and Sony who actually lose money every sale. It has wonderful original titles and a great list of upcoming games. All I've been seeing is positive reviews for the Wii. Check this out. It's pretty accurate as far as determining how the race for the next generation is going, but I'm not 100% positive. All sources indicate it's good including IGN.com

So what are your opinions? Post, post, post!

[HakunaMatata]

Wii, Wii, Wii.

Cheaper and innovative. Yes, it doesn't have the same graphic capabilities as the other two, but you must admit it is by far the most original and accessible.

[*Infinite.*]

PS3 is going to go down completely, its quite sad. I'm kind of sitting back waiting for sony to just die XD
-never liked sony- I complained about them before this system.
Sony is losing about 300$ on each system and their selling them for 499. So now Sony has finally relized how big of a lose it is, and their now saying they may not even make as many as the amount they were thinking before.
For the biggest success, I have to agree with Brenden. Its either the Wii for this year, and of course last year the 360 beat all since it was well, last year.

[HakunaMatata]

Why haven't I heard anything about the failures of PS3 until now? Can someone post an article about it? Pleeease.

[*StanleyThePanda*]

Wii > 360 > $40 > PS3.

haha the ps3 is... bleh.

[smoke]

Why haven't I heard anything about the failures of PS3 until now? Can someone post an article about it? Pleeease.

http://nexgenwars.com/

And you can just Google and see that PS3 is doing terrible. I mean, look at this:
That was their estimate. They'll be lucky to get over 1 million by the end of the year at this rate.

[*Infinite.*]

Also theres the fact that the developers of the PS3 clearly said that you wouldn't see any difference from the PS3 to the 360.


^also:
We all knew Sony was dropping a fair bit of cash on each PS3 sold, but we suppose we got a bit too hung up on the resultant pricetags -- the notorious $499 and $599 SKUs -- to give the actual losses much of a thought. Well, worry not Sony, iSuppli's got your back. Turns out Sony will be losing change to the tune of $241.35 for every "premium" (WiFi and 60GB HDD) console, and a whoppin' $306.85 for the bargain-basement 20 gigger. In comparison, Microsoft loses $75.70 per 360 it sells, while Nintendo is laughing all the way to the bank with a profit per Wii sold. Just in case you missed it the first time around, or fell off your chair and forgot what you were reading about: Sony will lose the equivalent (or more) to the retail price of a competing console every time a cash register rings up a PS3 sale this holiday. We suppose it's for the best, then, that Sony won't have a whole lot of 'em to hand out, since we're sure Sony's own costs will start to drop as production really ramps up next year. Be sure to peep the read link for a full breakdown of the costs.

Microsoft actually makes $75.70 per 360 sold, as opposed to the $71 they were losing last year at launch.

[*mzkandi*]

http://nexgenwars.com/

And you can just Google and see that PS3 is doing terrible. I mean, look at this: http://blog.richterscale.org/images/upload...ections_320.jpg
That was their estimate. They'll be lucky to get over 1 million by the end of the year at this rate.

Well, they can't sell 1 million units if only 400,000 units are going to be avaliable to the public this year.

[*Infinite.*]

^400,000

I thought it was only 200,000..

[smoke]

Well, they can't sell 1 million units if only 400,000 units are going to be avaliable to the public this year.

Exactly. Haha. They overshot it and now people are getting mad cause they can't supply the demand. It'll hurt 'em cause people are gonna get sick of waiting around. Most people who preordered haven't got it yet.

[*mzkandi*]

^400,000

I thought it was only 200,000..

My source:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6157152.html

[smoke]

My source:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6157152.html

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6162190.html

More recent article. Today actually. Read the comments. They're funny lol.

[*mzkandi*]

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6162190.html

More recent article. Today actually. Read the comments. They're funny lol.

Thanks for the updated one!

Here is a quote from the article:

Gamers winced when Sony announced that only 400,000 units would be up for grabs in North America on launch day, but according to Bloomberg, even that number may have been optimistic.

Sad.



*hugs PSP*

[*Infinite.*]

Hmm -shrugs- I guess they changed it back, at first it was 400,000 but then they were a little questioning and thought about changing it to 200,000. I guess they never went through with that.

[smoke]

Thanks for the updated one!

Here is a quote from the article:
Sad.
*hugs PSP*

Aw I know! My poor PSP! His big brother's getting beat up, lol. Too bad there aren't any good games to play on my poor PSP... -_-' Thanks again Sony!

[pandamonium]

i really dont think the ps3 is a failure like some of you up there said. its just that ps3 tried to do so many things and really didnt think about how would it effect them. Their system is awesome but they should of lessened it down so that they were able to make enough before the holiday season, they set their goals too high and didnt achieve them. if they took out blueray and all those memory card slots maybe they could of lessened the price and made more and also the graphics cards.

[*sofakinglazy*]

Sony is full of bullshit and run by dicks. Go Wii!

[smoke]

i really dont think the ps3 is a failure like some of you up there said. its just that ps3 tried to do so many things and really didnt think about how would it effect them. Their system is awesome but they should of lessened it down so that they were able to make enough before the holiday season, they set their goals too high and didnt achieve them. if they took out blueray and all those memory card slots maybe they could of lessened the price and made more and also the graphics cards.

Yeah, I think it's a little premature to say it's a flat out failure, but its future isn't looking very bright. It is a failure in the sense that it failed to be this huge hit like Sony claimed it would be right off the bat. I mean, look at that estimate they had that I posted a few posts back. It's a failure at the moment but we'll have to see in the long run.

When I want to buy a gaming system, I want just that. A gaming system. I couldn't care less about all that additional crap. Sony failed to see that with PSP. They thought they could make up for lack of games with all that additional stuff but it didn't work. Now they'll pay the price for not learning their lesson before.

[*sofakinglazy*]

Sony is just being a bunch of greedy fucks. Lower Supply, Higher demand = WAY HIGH PRICES.

[F_L_I_P]

I read in GameInformer that the Ps3 price will drop but so far only in Japan. If the price drop comes here we can all give our thanks to Square Enix and Konami for getting pissed at them. So the Ps3 might be able to pull through. I still thought it was better than the 360 even with the horrid price. But the Wii is where its at for me.

[think!IMAGINARIL...]

I think that by early 2007, when Halo 3 comes out, the 360 will be in the lead. I have friends who have been waiting for Halo 3 to come out to buy the 360..

The PS3 is ok.. It's just too expensive. I've played on my friend's and the graphics are really awesome. Better than the 360, IMO.

Honestly, I don't like the Wii.. The new controller looks weird. I haven't played it yet though..
BTW, What good games are coming out for the Wii?

[F_L_I_P]

I think that by early 2007, when Halo 3 comes out, the 360 will be in the lead. I have friends who have been waiting for Halo 3 to come out to buy the 360..

The PS3 is ok.. It's just too expensive. I've played on my friend's and the graphics are really awesome. Better than the 360, IMO.

Honestly, I don't like the Wii.. The new controller looks weird. I haven't played it yet though..
BTW, What good games are coming out for the Wii?

Well so far all i can think of are Red Steel, Wario Ware Inc. Smooth Moves, Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Pangya golf, and Super Smash Bros. Brawl.

[*mzkandi*]

No offense against the Nintendo fanatics out there (because I don't want to get jumped on :P) but I haven't been digging Nintendo since the Super Nintendo days. That's putting my GameBoy Advance aside. Most of there games just don't appeal to me at all. I didn't buy Nintendo 64, didn't buy the GameCube, and won't be buying Wii. I didn't really get into the 360 because I'm was so immersed into my Playstation 2 and PSP. I really want a PS3 but there is really no way in debating that Sony is in a effed up position with all the PS3 mess. The price is just ridiculous for my broke college student budget. But regardless, I still want one. And that's not even counting the costs of buying games and memory cards. Playstation had (and arguabley still has) a firm grip on the gaming industry but at the moment they have an exposed weakness and this could allow from other gaming platforms to take the lead. Hmmm....we'll see. Maybe I'll try a 360 for the holidays in the meantime.....

[smoke]

^ Nah, I disagree. Microsoft owned the gaming industry in past years thanks to their great titles and Xbox Live. I've seen Sony slipping for years now. Their trying to pack in quantity to make up for quality but that's clearly not what people want. We want quality and Sony still fails to see that by trying flatter us with fancy things like bluray. When it all comes down to it, it's quality games that win in the end.

Elaine, here are some Wii games coming out or that are already out. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, WarioWare: Smooth Moves, Wii Sports, Super Mario Galaxy, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers, Metal Slug Anthology, Red Steel, Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem, Resident Evil, and Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Those are just a few original titles that will only be on the Wii. Lets not forget any 3rd party games that are made better with the Wii controls.

Edit:
Oh! Not to mention you can download all for favorites from NES, SNES, N64 and Sega.

[*mzkandi*]

^ Do have statistics from the past 5 years or more?

I'm statistics gal, I had the figures bookmarked but I have like 500+ things bookmarked on my computer.

[smoke]

^ Oh I don't have any solid statistics. That's my own personal interpretation. Kind of like you saying they do have a solid grip. That's your personal interpretation. I read around the internet and various forums and see that Sony has been suffering. Sony has been trying to regain that grip since Microsoft came to town. Same with Nintendo. Hands down, the Xbox came out on top last generation. I'll see if I can find some numbers for you though!

And also, if you are planning on getting a PS3, you'll need not just any HDTV, but a BRTV to even get the full effect. Otherwise, the PS3 has no more to offer than the 360. And here's the catch. Only Sony publishes a BRTV. That's an extra $1000+ added to the price tag of a standard HDTV and it all goes right into their pockets. That's kind of like stabbing gamers in the back if you ask me. They're trying to force all buyers to use Sony products. It's all just a money grabbing scheme for Sony and that's one of the reasons I don't like the company. It's like that with everything they sell, not just video games.

[*mipadi*]

I read around the internet and various forums and see that Sony has been suffering. Sony has been trying to regain that grip since Microsoft came to town. Same with Nintendo. Hands down, the Xbox came out on top last generation. I'll see if I can find some numbers for you though!

The PlayStation 2 pwned the other consoles. The PS2 sold over 105 million units, whereas the Xbox and the GameCube sold only 24 and 21 million, respectively (see here). Sony's original PlayStation entry was solid (although Nintendo gave it a run for its money with the N64), and has been solid since.

That's not to say the success will continue, and that's not to say market share is all that matters. Nintendo is a lot like Apple: smaller market share, but they turn a hefty profit on each machine, so they remain successful. I expect that will happen here.

Sony has had a few black eyes lately (that rootkit scandal and the recent laptop battery recall come to mind, as well as a few mistakes with the PS3), but that's mostly unrelated to its dealings in regards to the PS and PS2.

[smoke]

^ Oh, we're talking in terms of how many units sold? I was talking about over all quality and customer satisfaction. Then again, I guess going by units sold makes more sense when discussing Sony. After all, that is all they're worried about.

[*mzkandi*]

And also, if you are planning on getting a PS3, you'll need not just any HDTV, but a BRTV to even get the full effect. Otherwise, the PS3 has no more to offer than the 360. And here's the catch. Only Sony publishes a BRTV. That's an extra $1000+ added to the price tag of a standard HDTV and it all goes right into their pockets. That's kind of like stabbing gamers in the back if you ask me. They're trying to force all buyers to use Sony products. It's all just a money grabbing scheme for Sony and that's one of the reasons I don't like the company. It's like that with everything they sell, not just video games.

My boyfriend has a 360 and recently purchased an HDTV. Believe me, you are not getting the full effect of a 360 (or anyting else for that matter) unless you have one. Then again, HDTV is just cool like that. B-)

[ThunderEvermore]

I feel like Sony kind of saw that they were king of the mountain, and suddenly decided to act like they were just that, king. They want to reshape gaming into their own mold, and package with it an entertainment hub for which to connect your entire home's electronics to.

What they don't realize is that King of the Mountain is a game at which you don't just win, you have to fend your position from hungry competitors. Here comes the 360, with it's superior online capabilities and pretty good slew of second generation games. And Nintendo bringing up the rear with pure innovation in console gaming.

Nintendo has the most experience in these console wars, and knows a thing or two about taking market share from the rest of the competition. The Gameboy, and DS, have both dominated handhelds for a good long time. Not Nokia, Sony, Sega, or any other shmuck who came along could stop them.

But beyond history, is the gameplay.

I love my Wii. I've been nonstop playing Wii Sports and I love it. I play gold and bowling with my whole family. We only have the one controller because theyre sold out everywhere, and I dont really feel like shelling out forty bucks for another remote and a whole nother twenty for a nunchuk. Ive had more fun playing this thing than alot of games Ive played in the past on many many systems. And this is just launch, with the game that came with the gorram thing. I havent even started Zelda.

I think I might OD on Wii.

[EddieV]

I'm going for all 3, reason is because even though the Playstation 3 has a terrible release, next year's gaming lineup is incredible. However as of now, the only game for the PS3 that's doing really well is Resistance. 360 has Gears of War, and the Wii is acing with their Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess. X-Box 360 will do really well once Halo 3 comes out, and once Metal Gear Solid 4 comes out for the Playstation 3, they get the big one. However Square-Enix might not develop games for Sony anymore when they stated that they wanted the system to fail, which could hurt PS3 greatly. Most of the Wii's release games have terribly low ratings except Twilight Princess, although that may change once Brawl comes out.

Man this is a confusing thing...

[smoke]

^ Yeah, PS3 will pick up. I don't think they'll get much better though. I just have a feeling people are finally getting tired of Sony in general. PS3 proves that. And I've seen pretty good reviews for Wii games! All the big game reviewers like IGN love the controls and unique styles. Not to worry though. They have an excellent line up.

I feel like Sony kind of saw that they were king of the mountain, and suddenly decided to act like they were just that, king. They want to reshape gaming into their own mold, and package with it an entertainment hub for which to connect your entire home's electronics to.

What they don't realize is that King of the Mountain is a game at which you don't just win, you have to fend your position from hungry competitors. Here comes the 360, with it's superior online capabilities and pretty good slew of second generation games. And Nintendo bringing up the rear with pure innovation in console gaming.

Nintendo has the most experience in these console wars, and knows a thing or two about taking market share from the rest of the competition. The Gameboy, and DS, have both dominated handhelds for a good long time. Not Nokia, Sony, Sega, or any other shmuck who came along could stop them.

But beyond history, is the gameplay.

I love my Wii. I've been nonstop playing Wii Sports and I love it. I play gold and bowling with my whole family. We only have the one controller because theyre sold out everywhere, and I dont really feel like shelling out forty bucks for another remote and a whole nother twenty for a nunchuk. Ive had more fun playing this thing than alot of games Ive played in the past on many many systems. And this is just launch, with the game that came with the gorram thing. I havent even started Zelda.

I think I might OD on Wii.

I agree. Except, Sony is bringing up the rear at the moment. I'll definitely OD on Wii.

[*sofakinglazy*]

[EddieV]

Pretty much we just have to wait for all 3 systems to released their Ace games.

[F_L_I_P]

http://amethyst-angel.com/cosimages/ashepose1.jpg

LMAO
Remember to remove IMG tags when quoting. And that is a hilarious picture.

This post has been edited by iRock cB: Nov 24 2006, 08:48 PM

[smoke]

Pretty much we just have to wait for all 3 systems to released their Ace games.

Yeah, probably. I know Wii is riding on Zelda right now and they'll probably get another big hit when Super Smash Bro. Brawl comes out. That's probably their plan. Halo 3 will be huge for Xbox 360. I'll definitely make sure I have a 360 by then.