I'm 10, I killed you, what should happen to me? Options

[*NatiMarie*]

I had this in the death penalty question, but I think it's a different issue. What if they were younger than 12 or something and they committed a crime of this extent. What should be done to them?

Okay, what's I'm talking about...I should have specified, sorry is the Jamie Bulgar case.

The story is a three year old was brutally tortured and murdered by one 9-year old boy and a 10-year old boy. He was abducted and by a course of hours, died a terrible death. What should have happened to these boys?

Years later, at the age of 18 they were released from prison. Is that a suitable penalty?

EDIT//--from a website
Here's brief summary:
On February 12, 1993 a small boy who was to turn three in March was taken from a shopping mall in Liverpool by two 10 year old boys. Jamie Bulger walked away from his mother for only a second and Jon Venables took his hand and led him out of the mall with his friend Robert Thompson. They took Jamie on a walk for over 2 and a half miles, along the way stopping every now and again to torture the poor little boy who was crying constantly for his mommy. Finally they stopped at a railway track where they brutally kicked him, threw stones at him, rubbed paint in his eyes and pushed batteries up his anus.

It was actually worse than this. What these two boys did was so horrendous that Jamie's mother was forbidden to identify his body. They then left his beaten small body on the tracks so a train could run him over to hide the mess they had created. These two boys, even being boys understood what they did was wrong, hence trying to make it look like an accident. This week Lady Justice Butler-Sloss has awarded the two boys anonymity for the rest of their lives when they leave custody with new identities. We cannot let this happen. They will also leave early this year only serving just over half of their sentence. One paper even stated that Robert may go on to University. They are getting away with their crime. They need to pay, and we have to do something to make them pay for their horrific crime. They took Jamie's life violently away, and in return they get a new life.

[Spirited Away]

How did you kill me? As in was it out of hate/accident/someone bade you to do it?

[darkcoldplace]

jail time for like 10 years id think so..i might know...?

[waccoon]

I had this in the death penalty question, but I think it's a different issue. What if they were younger than 12 or something and they committed a crime of this extent. What should be done to them?

you need to know several factors in this case.

• Was the death accidental, or were you aware of the situation?
• How did you die? What was the cause of death?
• Do you have a criminal background of any kind?
• Were you provoked?

before you know those factors, you can't determine anything.

[*NatiMarie*]

Ok, I put factors up there...go check it out...sorry about confusion. I kind of forgot...oops!

[stryker76]

Ok man i have had to deal with this...well this year...my friend was shot in the head with an arrow well at target practice.....they charged the kid that did it with murder....well it wasnt but still...if he was convicted...he would have spent 15-30 in jail. for an accident....

Now we are talkin about 9 and 10 year old boys.....
1. Do they now what the hell they where doin?
2. How do you tell to boys not even preteens that they will never see there parents again and will spend the rest of there lives gettin anally raped because they did something they didnt understand.....

I mean they are lil boys. Im goin to have to say for them to Torture and murder a 3 year old toddler...there had to be an adult involved some how....2 young boys are not intelligent enough to do that and/or daring enough unless told it was ok to do soo

[kraziegrl]

uummm im not sure but i think somethign happens to your parents also..

[*NatiMarie*]

Hmm...stryker...if you look up the Jamie Bulgar story, which I'll try to find but I'm too lazy to post up, those boys knew what they were doing and no parents were involved. I don't know, they obviously knew what they were doing if they found pleasure in harming that defenseless 3-year old kid.

[IIO__oII]

thats kinda freaky....
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the 2 brothers r out roaming freely around?
ack!

[PinoyOtaku]

Did these two people go through extensive counseling (extensive like a overhaul) in prison?

[stryker76]

Hmm...stryker...if you look up the Jamie Bulgar story, which I'll try to find but I'm too lazy to post up, those boys knew what they were doing and no parents were involved. I don't know, they obviously knew what they were doing if they found pleasure in harming that defenseless 3-year old kid.

No offense but how can you be sure that they found pleasure in it....how do you kno there wasnt someone else....there are only possible 4 people tht would kno....the kid killed, the boys, and the other person if there......but i cant believe that 2 boys that are 9 and 10 are capable of feeling or knowing what they where doin to the kid....my brother is 9 years old and he would never be able to nething like that unless guided to do so by someone else......there has to be more to this some where...

[kewljeans]

wow i dont know..
i read an autobiography and this lil 9 year old girl tied this 2/3 year old up on a tree and burned him.. thankfully the little boy didnt die, and the girl wasnt charged or anything.. but then again this was like 10 years ago..

hopefully the two boys learned their lesson and wont do it again.. but who knows.. i suggest that they get therapy..

sorta scary knowing that some people like that will do those things

[angel-roh]

YES T0 TEACH THEM A LESS0N N0T T0 D0 IT AGEN.

[T00000]

10 year olds pretty much know whats going on, so they should be jailed until they are at least 30... maybe then they would have learned a lesson. they don't need the death penalty though, because children learn lessons much easier than adults

[ComradeRed]

I had this in the death penalty question, but I think it's a different issue. What if they were younger than 12 or something and they committed a crime of this extent. What should be done to them?

Okay, what's I'm talking about...I should have specified, sorry is the Jamie Bulgar case.

The story is a three year old was brutally tortured and murdered by one 9-year old boy and a 10-year old boy. He was abducted and by a course of hours, died a terrible death. What should have happened to these boys?

Years later, at the age of 18 they were released from prison. Is that a suitable penalty?

You should be burned at the stake.

[T00000]

but if you killed my boyfriend i'd say you should be released... and then i'd find you and torture you for a month and then finally kill you as slowly as possible... probably by way of cutting off meat from your thighs, cooking it with seasoning, and then forcing you to eat yourself alive until you bleed to death.

[ComradeRed]

we will bury you

[onenonly101]

They DO know what they were doing. When someone say no that means stop and i doubt that the 3 year old just sat their without saying anything and was killed. I HIGHLY doubt that. You can't just "hope" that therapy will work and let them out. If they did that when they were 9 and 10 can you think of what they are capable to do when they are older.

People don't give kids enough credit for intelligence. They knew just like a 40 year old man would know. What they did was wrong and there should be ajust punishment, not just therapy.

[waccoon]

They DO know what they were doing. When someone say no that means stop and i doubt that the 3 year old just sat their without saying anything and was killed. I HIGHLY doubt that. You can't just "hope" that therapy will work and let them out. If they did that when they were 9 and 10 can you think of what they are capable to do when they are older.

People don't give kids enough credit for intelligence. They knew just like a 40 year old man would know. What they did was wrong and there should be ajust punishment, not just therapy.

how can you be the judge of that without knowing the child personally? you're stereotyping ages now. if he's over 50, then he has to be boring, if he's under ten, then i can't have a conversation with him.

[*Kathleen*]

They DO know what they were doing. When someone say no that means stop and i doubt that the 3 year old just sat their without saying anything and was killed. I HIGHLY doubt that. You can't just "hope" that therapy will work and let them out. If they did that when they were 9 and 10 can you think of what they are capable to do when they are older.

People don't give kids enough credit for intelligence. They knew just like a 40 year old man would know. What they did was wrong and there should be ajust punishment, not just therapy.

I love you. Continuing: I don't think many of you realize how smart the younger generation has become. I work with 3rd through 4th graders all the time (they're in the age range of these kids), and...they know a lot more than you think they know. They know swear words that I didn't know until a few years ago () and they know about death and whatnot...I talk with them...I know.

but if you killed my boyfriend i'd say you should be released... and then i'd find you and torture you for a month and then finally kill you as slowly as possible... probably by way of cutting off meat from your thighs, cooking it with seasoning, and then forcing you to eat yourself alive until you bleed to death.

Haha Michelle...that's great.

[onenonly101]

how can you be the judge of that without knowing the child personally? you're stereotyping ages now. if he's over 50, then he has to be boring, if he's under ten, then i can't have a conversation with him.

I didn't stereotype i said kids have the same intelligence as someone older would have with morally right and wrong things. Also the kids who committed that crime were evaluated physcology and weren't find to have any problems so they couldn't plead insanity or incompotence. I would've been generalizing not seterotyping and trust me i love kids and i'm around them alot and there know more than people believe.

[waccoon]

I didn't stereotype i said kids have the same intelligence as someone older would have with morally right and wrong things. Also the kids who committed that crime were evaluated physcology and weren't find to have any problems so they couldn't plead insanity or incompotence. I would've been generalizing not seterotyping and trust me i love kids and i'm around them alot and there know more than people believe.

that may be true for most children, but what if the kid that murdered somebody truly didnt know what he was doing?

[sammi rules you]

how can you be the judge of that without knowing the child personally? you're stereotyping ages now. if he's over 50, then he has to be boring, if he's under ten, then i can't have a conversation with him.

hes right. who knows if the child is really dumb or has a genius potential? you guys are making statements based on:

theres 2 kids, 9 and 10 years old, who killed a 3 year old.

wow. thats a LOT of insight. just because they were psychologically evaluated doesnt mean that they might not have something theyre hiding in their minds or something. youd have to befriend them and see how they really think.

murderers are different than any other kid. you cant just treat them as if they think and do the same things as other 9 and 10 year olds.

[*Kathleen*]

How was the kid murdered? If it was plotted, obviously, they knew what they were doing, and as I said, nine and ten year-olds know what death is.

[Ginachan]

hey.. isnt this the case that happened here in the UK? apparently they beat him to death by a rail way line.. unless i'm thinking of the wrong thing..which is probably likely.

I think they both got new identities and everything.

[onenonly101]

hes right. who knows if the child is really dumb or has a genius potential? you guys are making statements based on:

theres 2 kids, 9 and 10 years old, who killed a 3 year old.

wow. thats a LOT of insight. just because they were psychologically evaluated doesnt mean that they might not have something theyre hiding in their minds or something. youd have to befriend them and see how they really think.

murderers are different than any other kid. you cant just treat them as if they think and do the same things as other 9 and 10 year olds.

^not enough credit to kids again. Yeah murders are more complex than ayother kids, and what these children did in this case was VERY weel thought out, so based on that they should be treated as any other murder.


Side note: Half are saying no don't punish them with jail time. You say that now, but when YOU are put in that situation you might/will think differently

[waccoon]

^not enough credit to kids again. Yeah murders are more complex than ayother kids, and what these children did in this case was VERY weel thought out, so based on that they should be treated as any other murder.


Side note: Half are saying no don't punish them with jail time. You say that now, but when YOU are put in that situation you might/will think differently

must i repeat myself again?

every child is different. your theory may be true for the majority, but we have no idea in this case.

[*NatiMarie*]

No offense but how can you be sure that they found pleasure in it....how do you kno there wasnt someone else....there are only possible 4 people tht would kno....the kid killed, the boys, and the other person if there......but i cant believe that 2 boys that are 9 and 10 are capable of feeling or knowing what they where doin to the kid....my brother is 9 years old and he would never be able to nething like that unless guided to do so by someone else......there has to be more to this some where...

Sorry I didn't approach this sooner. There was a video camera footage showing the two little boys taking little Jamie Bulgar. The whole story is, so his mom was at the ball, she let go of his hand, turned around for a couple of seconds I think, then her little boy was gone. So as she was searching for him, the mall camera showed the two little boys taking him away. There were many witness accounts and it was only the little boy with the two older boys. So that's why I think there's something fishy about that. The boys obviously knew what they were doing. I should really find a link to this case...*searches on yahoo* -->but I must finish my hw...

[Mireh]

pushed batteries up his anus

Wtf??

Omg...NO NO NO! Keep them in prision! I would not consider 9 and 10 year olds ingnorant about death and torture.

[NostalgicRockChi...]

If it was on purpose then the kid should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. You commit a crime, you pay for it. Simple as that. I think if you are clever enough at a young age to plan out a murder and actually go through with it, then you are old enough to be punished just like anyone else. Plus, I think it would be an injustice to the family of the victim to see this kid get out of jail a few years later and life his/her life normally when their own son or daughter no longer has that privilege because they are dead.

[Yemmerz]

you know what. if it was someone who was like 5...well that kid needs to go to the doctor. but...i mean 10..you know whats right and whats wrong. they deserve full punishment.

[ComradeRed]

^not enough credit to kids again. Yeah murders are more complex than ayother kids, and what these children did in this case was VERY weel thought out, so based on that they should be treated as any other murder.


Side note: Half are saying no don't punish them with jail time. You say that now, but when YOU are put in that situation you might/will think differently

I still think we should burn them at the stake, praise Allah.

[wantingtobehis]

No, I think they...and their parents should go to jail. At ten they should know right from wrong enough to know killing is wrong, and if they don't they would then.

[ryfitaDF]

if i were killed by a 10 year old i'd be so embarassed i'd just shut u about it.

[*krnxswat*]

if i were killed by a 10 year old i'd be so embarassed i'd just shut u about it.

You'd be dead.

[ryfitaDF]

You'd be dead.

yea i would. if i were killed by a 10 year old i wou;dn't be able to care.

nice catch!

[ichiban]

really, it all depends on the situation ...

the storyis so sad though

[m@dcow]

i think if the boys are aware of what they did... and if they killed mass numbers of people, and if what they did was so horribly wrong no one felt sorry for them... then they should get the death penalty

[mechwarrior1989]

I believe they need to serve out the rest of their sentence, 9 and 10 year olds are always aware of what they're doing, especially if it is something like murder. Plus they probably were watching a lot of TV which would help them to plot it. And also with two boys, you never know what kind of ideas they can formulate amoungst themselves. Had they been a bit smarter, they would have tried dodging the cameras in the mall, but I wouldn't expect that from them for another year. But yea, when I was 9 and 10 I used to plan out robberies in my head. Same thing, jsut I never acted on it.

[hybrid]

Its their responsibility of taken the life of another person. Teach them how death feels like. Burn them or eletricute them or something.

[m@dcow]

lethal injection!... why do they starlize needles for lethal injection?

[*Kathleen*]

No, I think they...and their parents should go to jail. At ten they should know right from wrong enough to know killing is wrong, and if they don't they would then.

Um...most of the time, parents don't know what their kids are doing these days. A lot of them are disconnected from them, and it seems as if the media is playing the parental figure these days... You can't automatically blame the parent. Even if parents tell kids to not drink and drive, they still do it.

why do they starlize needles for lethal injection?

That's a good question. *Strokes chin* Hmm...

[hybrid]

Um...most of the time, parents don't know what their kids are doing these days. A lot of them are disconnected from them, and it seems as if the media is playing the parental figure these days... You can't automatically blame the parent. Even if parents tell kids to not drink and drive, they still do it.


That's a good question. *Strokes chin* Hmm...

I agree. The media now plays as a parent. But still, Killing isn't cool. Maybe, if the media just got that message through kids.

[ComradeRed]

Unless you're killing Russians, then it's okay.

[onenonly101]

You can't automatically blame the parent. Even if parents tell kids to not drink and drive, they still do it.

Agreed. There is a point where you can't blame the parent anymore and the child has the responsibility. Thoguh it needs to be the parents responsibility to know the child is doingesp at a young age like that now when they become teens they like to get buck and think they can control their life and just lie to their parents., but the parents shouldn't jjust take the surface answerr of no i'm not doing anything

[ComradeRed]

but if you killed my boyfriend i'd say you should be released... and then i'd find you and torture you for a month and then finally kill you as slowly as possible... probably by way of cutting off meat from your thighs, cooking it with seasoning, and then forcing you to eat yourself alive until you bleed to death.

Haha a little overprotective there?

[jue]

juvy

[banthisaccountno...]

^damn, you like bringing back old topics, huh?

juvi*

[rOckThISshYt]

Jesus.. I don't care how old you are. They knew what they were doing. They should spend a hell of a lot more time in jail than eight years!!

[sweet_devil]

Wasn't what the boys did like blamed on the movie "Chucky"? Anyways, I heard that the baby was sitting in his babies trolley in a supermarket and that the two boys took him, painted him blue, beat him and then put him on the railroad tracks. I think the boys should definitely not been released into the public. They should and hopefully did have serious conselling in prison.

[XoJennaoX]

okay....wow...sad story but the fact is prison is going to do NOTHING for them. Prison could only make things worse. They are 9 and 10, more than 60% of people that are released from prison are locked back up again for another crime. Only 5% of people in prison rehabilitation are actually able to function in the real world after serving time and getting help. These boys won't have a prayer if they are locked up, they won't even recieve an education, so the most it would do is make them harder criminals. They need some serious help...not prison...and definietly not the death penlty. We cannot determine the underlying reason or cause for this event and we do not understand these boys pschye...so it is hard to say if they understood or not (we can't just go by their ages).

[PurrfectMissM]

i say jail for life.
@ 9 and 12 they should know the difference between right and wrong and what they did to that poor little boy is horrible! ugh.

[*iNyCxShoRT*]

Oh wow pushed batteries up his anus? x___X i think they should go to juvie (sp?) and work community service.

[usnstgwife2011]

For those of you that believe they didn't know what they are doing...Have you ever heard of Jeffery Dahmer? I'm sure you all have. He started out when he was4 laughing when they found some birds under the porch crying. When he was 6 he brought some tadpoles to school and the teacher gave them to another classmate. He went to the boys house and killed the tadpoles with motor oil out of rage at the kid. Not every child starts like this. But those boys knew what they were doing. I have a 9 year old and she knows what the consequence is for killing someone. She would never do it but she knows what happens and knows it is wrong. The only way they didn't know what they were doing is if their psycological profile says they aren't competent and can't understand a crime of such nature. They would have to have a disease that prevents them from knowing wrong or right. For example, a disease that revents their brain from aging, someone with downs may not understand right from wrong at that age as their brain develops slower than others. Anyway, my opinion is that they knew what they were doing was wrong. They should have been released unless they have had extreme psycological evaluations that determine that at the time they weren't competent enough to understand right from wrong. But that;s thinking logically. If it were my child that were killed in such a heinous manner I would say they should have been tried as adults and sentence to a term of life inprisionment or the death penalty.

[Kontroll]

If they knew what they were doing, then they should be put to death.

[jesusisthebestth...]

i think that the best possible option for a 10 year old murderer is juvenile hall with weekly/daily/hourly psychiatric treatment or whatever it takes to make this child learn love.

[RAWRstephishere]

I wouldnt want the death penalty.. But a lot of jail time.

They still knew what they were doing was wrong.

[Kontroll]

i think that the best possible option for a 10 year old murderer is juvenile hall with weekly/daily/hourly psychiatric treatment or whatever it takes to make this child learn love.

Learn love? What?! Are you serious? THink of it this way. You can take the ganster out of the hood, but you can't take the hood out of the gangster. Meaning, it will always be with him. That is why I think people locking others in jail for a long time will change them. Do you think their surroundings change in jail? It's not church where everyone sings and gets along. It's probably worse. Now after that experience, the government decides to let them out. So, now they have a more violent personality back in a normal or violent setting. What kind of rehabilitation is that? Nothing. That's why jail is a waste of time and tax payers dollars. People complain about taxes all the time, but yet we wont kill those who have killed others. It only makes sense.

People cant change people. It doesn't work like that. It's like our government is being run by ten year olds. Ridiculous.

After America becomes a communist state, I'm going to move to an island where those who kill, will be killed, regardless of age, sex, religion, and so forth.

[nosylilme]

i think that the best possible option for a 10 year old murderer is juvenile hall with weekly/daily/hourly psychiatric treatment or whatever it takes to make this child learn love.

Yeah. They can strap them to a chair, tape their eyelids open while forcing them to watch Barney for hours on end.

But seriously these kids do need help. They need to go to jail for a long time.

[EmoEyelinerx]

I think they should have the death penalty. If they were older they would have, whats the difference? Age? Well whoever let them out is stupid as hell.

[annalucky]

Just because someone is sent to jail for a long time, it doesn't mean it'll change who they are. I think those boys need serious therapy and psychoanalysis. I believe that they were old enough to understand the extent of their crimes at that age and they should not be granted the new identities.

[Joss-eh-lime]

jail, counseling, therapy, and more counseling.

[kayleighSTFU]

If it were my child that were killed...

You guys keep putting yourself in the situation of the parents of the child that was killed...

Why not put yourself in the position of the parents of the child who did the killing?


Honestly, kids are seriously smarter than we think. I think they knew what they were doing. But before you go throwing the death penalty at them, how do you think their parents felt. If it were me? I'd jump of the highest building around...

[*IVIike*]

This is so disturbing I don't know what to say

[*Uronacid*]

If they knew what they were doing, then they should be put to death.

AGREE!!

[Laughsalot]

i think they have that phycological disorder where they do knowwhat's right and wrong it's just they have absolutely no conscience. how come the article doesn't mention if they those boys had psychoanalysis? i serious think that's what they need before the crime is judged. but if i'm correct and they do have that disorder(i can't remember the name dammnit) they don't deserve to go out in the public, becuase i don't they they are "human". there's a high chance that they'll just do that again...those type of people don't know love or compassion or sympathy.

edit:i think it's called schizoid

[*Steven*]

Man everyone who becomes a murderer or something always claims that they have a disorder. If they're that ill and don't know right from wrong, how are they going to know that dying is a bad thing. You can tell them they're going to the land of candy where you can do w/e you want, then proceed to execute them. If y'alls state doesn't have the death penalty, come to Texas. We kill you back.

[MissFits]

It depends on HOW they killed the people. If it was brutal they need to be in prison, at least until they are 20. At the age of 20 they should be up for parole.

I have a really morbid fascination with killers and a wide collection of books about them. The following information comes from "The Serial Killer Files" by Harold Schechter, although I am sure it can be found by simply googling the names. I will put anything mildly disturbing in a spoiler code.

Mary Bell was 11 years old when she started killing. She started assaulting other kids in 1968 when she beat up four younger children (it does not state their ages). Ten days later the body of 3 year old Martin Brown was found With blood and saliva oozing out of his mouth. She was excited and bragged pestered the mother endlessly. Two month later she murdered yet another 3 year old child They found his body between two cinder block, he had been sexually violated with a pair of scissors and the letter M was carved into his chest.. After being questioned she laughed about what she had done. Mary was sent to a girls home, which she was kicked out of in 2 years and sent to prison. In 1977 they transferred her to a less secure prison, from which she escaped. She was apprehended quickly. She was released from prison in 1980. She has committed no known crimes since her release.

Jesse Harding Pomeroy was 12 when he began assaulting other children. Over a 9 month reign of terror he lured an uncountable amount of children to woods where he bound, beat, and tortured them. After caught he was sent to reform school for less than 17 months. After being released he promptly commit a pair of appalling mutilation/murders on a 10 year old girl and a fourteen year old boy. At the age of 14 he was sentenced to death. A controversy soon erupted and his sentence was commuted to life. He lived until 1932 and spent over 40 years of his 60 year imprisonment in solitary confinement.

Sorry it was so long winded.

[hypnotique]

Man everyone who becomes a murderer or something always claims that they have a disorder. If they're that ill and don't know right from wrong, how are they going to know that dying is a bad thing. You can tell them they're going to the land of candy where you can do w/e you want, then proceed to execute them. If y'alls state doesn't have the death penalty, come to Texas. We kill you back.

Touching.
And very true.

[Laughsalot]

Man everyone who becomes a murderer or something always claims that they have a disorder. If they're that ill and don't know right from wrong, how are they going to know that dying is a bad thing. You can tell them they're going to the land of candy where you can do w/e you want, then proceed to execute them. If y'alls state doesn't have the death penalty, come to Texas. We kill you back.

the disorder i was talking about is called schizoid and they do know what's right and wrong, they just don't care as long as it's not happening to them.

[Paigey-x]

10 year olds pretty much know whats going on, so they should be jailed until they are at least 30... maybe then they would have learned a lesson. they don't need the death penalty though, because children learn lessons much easier than adults

Just Like To Let You All No ....
The Two Lads Who Did It Yeah ..
One Of Them Lives In Newcastle

[Call911Quick]

I think I know that a 9 and 10 year old kid would know that leaving a stoned (no pun intended) kid in the way of a train with batteries up his ass at the age of 2 WOULD kill him.

They knew what they were doing, and I think the exact same should be done to them. If I had the privelage to do whatever I could with them, I'd:

-Shove batteries up their ass
-Pour acid in their eyes
-Rip their nails off
-Whip them
-Let one watch (the one that still retain some ability to see after the acid, or I'll only acid ones' eyes) while the other is run over by a train
-Tie the survivor to the tracks, while slowly dismembering him

I'm not an evil person. These two monsters deserve it, however. They weren't provoked, and they did it to a 3-year-old? I don't know if you believe in Satan, but DAMN those kids are hellspawns. Perhaps even worse. This kind of shit rarely happens in MOVIES.

Death penalty is too easy and painless for them.