Was the moon landing forreal? Options

[think!IMAGINARIL...]

There was a topic like this before, but that one is dead and over two years old.. I thought that it needed a fresh start. Besides, most of the people who posted in it are inactive.
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=12400

If you don't know about this, you can go to Wikipedia and research it.

I still have not made up my mind yet, but I sort of think that it was all a hoax.

So.. Do you think it was real or is it a conspiracy?

[demolished]

Does this look real to me? i don’t think so. haha.

I don’t think program like Photoshop existed back in the 50s.



NASA probably didn’t have enough solid facts and evidence to prove it.







Anyways, i'm going to do some research.

[*Infinite.*]

We were discussing this in science class, I'm in a honors one so its free for debating within class unlike the normal one which is kind of odd. We were talking about how some people would like them to broadcast it once again, although NASA I think it is says that they don't need to because its already been done. I personally would find it neat to see it be done again, but since their refusing to do so I think it was just set. Like that red-bull commercial. If anyone has seen that, its kind of stupid but oh well.

I think it was fake, personally. If they were to shoot it again I may find it a little more realistic.


I'm going to read up on it more too.

[think!IMAGINARIL...]

I think it was fake, personally. If they were to shoot it again I may find it a little more realistic.

What do you mean by that? Do you mean like.. filming it again and then broadcasting it?

Does this look real to me? i don’t think so. haha.

I don’t think program like Photoshop existed back in the 50s.

They probably just covered up the back if the studio with a black background..

NASA probably didn’t have enough solid facts and evidence to prove it.

I hear they're supposed to have a mirror on the surface of the moon that reflects things.. Like they use a laser pointer and it reflects back. But I'd have to see it for myself to believe it.

Thursday, July 13, 2006: The original high-quality video tapes of Apollo 11, which were apparently sent by NASA to the National Archives and then were returned to the Goddard Space Flight Center, have gone missing (see the pdf by John M. Sarkissian). The quality of the video broadcast to the world on television was of much, much lower quality than the video originally received – or manufactured! - by NASA. Obviously, if you were going to fake the moon landing, you might have a motive to ‘lose’ the high-quality tapes, where artifacts of faking could be seen. This was by far the biggest moment in the American space program. You’d think they would care about hanging on to the evidence.

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm

I found that pretty interesting.. That website is very one-sided though. It doesn't explain the other half of the story.

[kimmytree]

I dont think we ever landed on the moon. If we really did, why havent we been back? I think it was just so we could say we beat the Russians or something.

I've seen video clips of the flag waving, and later on clips of the flag not moving. Shouldnt the flag be still, since there is no gravity on the moon?

[think!IMAGINARIL...]

I dont think we ever landed on the moon. If we really did, why havent we been back?

They're planning another mission by 2020.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4261522.stm

I've seen video clips of the flag waving, and later on clips of the flag not moving. Shouldnt the flag be still, since there is no gravity on the moon?

Well, I think that the astronaut moving the flag was probably why it was waving, but I'm not sure.

I'm still undecided on this.

[kimmytree]

2020? oyyy.

That would be cool if they actually did. But why not sooner? Do we not have the technology to do so?

[think!IMAGINARIL...]

It's probably some issues with the budget after Hurricane Katrina.

Besides, they have to plan these things. Like design the spacecraft and stuff like that.

[kimmytree]

It's probably some issues with the budget after Hurricane Katrina.

Besides, they have to plan these things. Like design the spacecraft and stuff like that.

Thats true. I think its more of an issue with the war, than with Katrina.

But how would Katrina or the war have an effect on space exploration? Wouldnt they still be receiving the same budget regardless?

[think!IMAGINARIL...]

The government probably wouldn't have enough money to spend on space exploration.

NASA has faced many budget cuts.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4070728.stm

[*kryogenix*]

It couldn't have been fake. Think of how many people the government would have had to bribe. Think of how many people might have confessed on their death beds that it was a hoax. The government would have to keep an eye on so many people and spend so much money that it would have been cheaper to just go to the Moon and film the landing.

[kimmytree]

Why would there necessarily have to be alot of people in on it? People may have been paid off.

[*kryogenix*]

Why would there necessarily have to be alot of people in on it? People may have been paid off.

I'm saying, think of how many people would need to be paid off. And then how many of their family members and friends would have to monitored.

[think!IMAGINARIL...]

But what if they didn't know?
What if only the astronauts knew and the astronomers and engineers and everyone else thought it was real?

[kimmytree]

Yeah, thats what I was thinking. There wouldnt necessarily have to be that many people in on it.

[*kryogenix*]

No, the people who built the set, camera men, etc (assuming you guys think it was filmed). Think of the credits in the movies, how many names are on that. Heck, even in a short cartoon, there are so many names.

[think!IMAGINARIL...]

They could have blackmailed their families. Or threatened them.

Maybe they didn't even know it.

[x_curse_of_the_c...]

i would like to think that it was real but i don't. i think that's why most people are still ify about it because they don't want to think about our government lieing to us.

[OhMyAnniee]

Did you hear about how NASA lost the original tapes of the moon landing? They were being sent back to NASA from the Air & Space Smithsonian (I think it was a Smithsonian) and it was misplaced.

I think it's real. I mean, China went to the moon too. (Right?) So China staged their moon-landing too? Eh, I'll believe that it was real U.S. history.

[*kryogenix*]

They could have blackmailed their families. Or threatened them.

Maybe they didn't even know it.

See, that's the thing about these conspiracy theories. There are so many "could haves" and "what ifs."

Just the people involved alone, imagine how much it would have taken to keep an eye on them, bribe them, etc. And who cares if they were blackmailed, they could have just confessed on their death bed.

And China didn't go to the moon (unless you're kidding).

[think!IMAGINARIL...]

Did you hear about how NASA lost the original tapes of the moon landing? They were being sent back to NASA from the Air & Space Smithsonian (I think it was a Smithsonian) and it was misplaced.

I think it's real. I mean, China went to the moon too. (Right?) So China staged their moon-landing too? Eh, I'll believe that it was real U.S. history.

I posted something about that. The 4th post.

It's pretty convenient how they "misplaced" it.


And I have never heard of China going to the moon. Their space program is CRAP.

[*kryogenix*]

^ I posted something about that. The 4th post.

It's pretty convenient how they "misplaced" it.
And I have never heard of China going to the moon. I'll go Google it now.

The moon hoax theory has been around for a long time, the timing of NASA losing the tapes is meaningless.

[think!IMAGINARIL...]

Ok, the timing is meaningless, but they had a motive to "lose" the tapes.

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm

It's very one-sided, but it explains a lot.

[OhMyAnniee]

I posted something about that. The 4th post.

It's pretty convenient how they "misplaced" it.


And I have never heard of China going to the moon. Their space program is CRAP.

Oh yeah, sorry about that. I just read like the first two posts & decided to reply.

I Googled the China going to the moon thing and the first thing that came up was that China set goals of going to the moon. Sorry again. I didn't research anything on my previous reply.

[timeflies51]

I've seen video clips of the flag waving, and later on clips of the flag not moving. Shouldnt the flag be still, since there is no gravity on the moon?

I think it's because there's no wind on the moon. (Which is supposedly why the astronauts' footprints are still there, so they say.)



While I find the universe to be quite interesting, I honestly DO NOT see ANY point in the "Space Race" except to fufill human curiosity. Whatever we find out isn't going to affect us in any way, and I don't understand why we have to put so much money into it. If anything, if we really went to the moon, the reason - "beating" the Russians - was completely stupid.

Anyways, that's my rant on that. As for the mission being faked, perhaps. I mean, people saw the spaceship liftoff and everything, didn't they? So you're saying that they had to plan a secret place for the spaceship to land and everything?

If this is true, then that is sad, wasting so much money only to get Americans' spirits up just a bit higher. How incredibly pathetic.

I really hope the government and NASA were not that stupid.

[think!IMAGINARIL...]

While I find the universe to be quite interesting, I honestly DO NOT see ANY point in the "Space Race" except to fufill human curiosity. Whatever we find out isn't going to affect us in any way, and I don't understand why we have to put so much money into it. If anything, if we really went to the moon, the reason - "beating" the Russians - was completely stupid.

The Cold War. A war without any real fighting. Just actions. That's why. Americans wanted to "win" the Cold War.
There are several other motives for faking the moon landing too.

And it doesn't necesairly have to be a complete hoax..

1. Complete hoax—The idea that the entire human landing program was faked. Various sources argue that the technology to send men to the Moon was insufficient and/or that the Van Allen radiation belts made such a trip impossible.
2. Partial hoax / Unmanned landings— Bart Sibrel argues that Apollo 11 and subsequent astronauts had faked their orbit around the Moon and their walk on its surface by trick photography, and that they never got more than halfway to the Moon. A subset of this proposal is advocated by those who concede the existence of laser mirrors and other observable human-made objects on the Moon. Marcus Allen represented this argument when he said "I would be the first to accept what [telescope images of the landing site] find as powerful evidence that something was placed on the Moon by man." He goes on to say that photographs of the lander would not prove that America put men on the Moon. "Getting to the Moon really isn't much of a problem—the Russians did that in 1959, the big problem is getting people there." His argument focuses around NASA sending robot missions because radiation levels in space were lethal to humans. Another variant on this is the idea that NASA and its contractors did not recover quickly enough from the Apollo 1 fire, and so all the early Apollo missions were faked, with Apollo 14 or 15 being the first authentic mission.[4]
3. Manned landings, with backup stagings— Dr. Brian O'Leary once suggested that, as a hypothetical situation, NASA could have falsified some portion of the video and photographs of the moon landings to replace those damaged or lost during the actual mission. Hoax proponent David Percy apparently took O'Leary's hypothetical as a sincere belief. O'Leary has since reasserted the idea as merely hypothetical..[5]
4. Manned landings, with cover-ups—William Brian and others believe that, while astronauts did land on the Moon, they covered up what they found, whether it was gravitational anomalies, alien artifacts, or alien encounters.[6] Phillip Lheureux, in Lumieres sur la Lune (Lights on the Moon), said that astronauts did land on the Moon, but that, in order to prevent other nations from benefiting from scientific information in the real photos, NASA published fake images.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Moon_L...oax_accusations

[timeflies51]

The Cold War. A war without any real fighting. Just actions. That's why. Americans wanted to "win" the Cold War.

Yeah, I know all about the Cold War and all that, but I think the reason behind the Cold War was kind of iffy, too...

[think!IMAGINARIL...]

Yeah, I know all about the Cold War and all that, but I think the reason behind the Cold War was kind of iffy, too...

WHAT?! So you think the fight against communism and the Soviet Union and the Cuban Missile Crisis was "iffy"?

[kimmytree]

I think it's because there's no wind on the moon. (Which is supposedly why the astronauts' footprints are still there, so they say.)



While I find the universe to be quite interesting, I honestly DO NOT see ANY point in the "Space Race" except to fufill human curiosity. Whatever we find out isn't going to affect us in any way, and I don't understand why we have to put so much money into it. If anything, if we really went to the moon, the reason - "beating" the Russians - was completely stupid.

Anyways, that's my rant on that. As for the mission being faked, perhaps. I mean, people saw the spaceship liftoff and everything, didn't they? So you're saying that they had to plan a secret place for the spaceship to land and everything?

If this is true, then that is sad, wasting so much money only to get Americans' spirits up just a bit higher. How incredibly pathetic.

I really hope the government and NASA were not that stupid.

I forgot about the whole foot print thing.

I dont really see the point in trying to return to the moon. Theres no way we could colonize up there or anything.

[think!IMAGINARIL...]

I forgot about the whole foot print thing.

I dont really see the point in trying to return to the moon. Theres no way we could colonize up there or anything.

DO NOT START WITH ME ON THAT! My dream is to colonize/terraform Mars someday. First, we have to start with the moon.
Steven will agree with me on this one.. There is definitely a way to colonize/terraform Mars, so there is definitely a way to do so for the moon. All you need is water, oxygen, sunlight, and organic compounds and you've got the basic building blocks of life. There is a way to colonize the moon/Mars. All we need is a little research.

Besides, for now, returning to the moon is to just research how the Earth formed.

[*xcaitlinx*]

i think that this theory is completely ridiculous...

i had to answer some questions about it in chemistry for a problem of the week. lunar moon rocks were brought back from the apollo flights, and they contained materials completely different from those on earth.

The lunar soil samples consist of angular agglutinates and glass beads with nearly a total absence of quartz. The lunar soil samples show no evidence of iron (III) oxide, which is formed when iron oxidizes or rusts. Iron titanium oxide or ilmenite is found in the lunar soil and is black in appearance. Lunar soil also contains plagioclase feldspars which appear white, olivine, green, or as a yellowish-brown mineral. All three sets of lunar samples are similar in chemistry and mineralogy.

Soil and rock samples from Earth are composed of rounded grains, primarily of quartz. Many samples contain some iron (III) oxide that gives the soil a red, yellow, or brown coloration.

(http://glencoe.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/0078664187/student_view0/chapter1/problem_of_the_week.html)

[think!IMAGINARIL...]

I heard something about the moon rocks having the same composition as some rocks found at the poles. I'll go find it.

Hoax proponents argue that Wernher von Braun's trip to Antarctica in 1967 (two years prior to the Apollo missions) was in order to study and / or collect lunar meteorite rocks to be used as fake Moon rocks. Because von Braun was a former SS officer, it is suggested by hoax proponents (including Aron Ranen),[55] he would have been susceptible to pressure to agree to the conspiracy in order to protect himself from recriminations over the past.

And the rocks collected in the Apollo missions are still being analyzed by scientists. So far they've said that the rocks haven't been on the Earth and are older than any other lunaites found on Earth.
But it's possible that they set the rocks in an environment similar to that of the moon's and sped up the carbon decay process.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_moon_l...ions#Moon_rocks

[kimmytree]

I didnt mean that colonizing is impossible, I just dont see it happening any time soon. Theres gotta be another planet out there somewhere, thats more capable of sustaning life.

heard something about the moon rocks having the same composition as some rocks found at the poles. I'll go find it.

I've heard the exact same thing.

[think!IMAGINARIL...]

I didnt mean that colonizing is impossible, I just dont see it happening any time soon. Theres gotta be another planet out there somewhere, thats more capable of sustaning life.

That'd be too far away and would take too long to reach. I mean, it'd probably be a few more decades until we can even have a manned mission past the asteriod belt!

I believe that the colonization of the moon/Mars will be in the time of this century. At the speed technology is going, we could probably have some people living on the moon in 20 years!
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[kimmytree]

Not necessarily. I dont think we'll need to colonize somewhere else within the next 100 years. Heh I think it'll be a little longer than a few decades to get past the asteroid belt, especially if we've got a flight to the moon planned for 2020.

I guess thats possible, but we havent even made it to Mars yet. The conditions may not even be appropriate to do so. Living on the moon in 20 years? How would that even be humanly possible?

[think!IMAGINARIL...]

Not necessarily. I dont think we'll need to colonize somewhere else within the next 100 years. Heh I think it'll be a little longer than a few decades to get past the asteroid belt, especially if we've got a flight to the moon planned for 2020.

Well, actually.. I was wrong. The Cassini missions have gone to Saturn.. And the New Horizons. which was launched this July, is supposed to fly by Pluto and Ceres and other dwarf planets/planets.
A manned mission, however, will definitely take a while.

And we might have to colonize Mars soon. At the rate global warming is going, Earth's future is dim.

I guess thats possible, but we havent even made it to Mars yet. The conditions may not even be appropriate to do so. Living on the moon in 20 years? How would that even be humanly possible?

That's what terraforming is for.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=d...G=Google+Search

And humans haven't been on Mars, but several unmanned rover missions have. And the moon.. Well, we're supposed to be debating that right now.

[kimmytree]

And we might have to colonize Mars soon. At the rate global warming is going, Earth's future is dim.

Thats very true. With warmer temperatures, and the ice caps melting. Hopefully that wont happen in our lifetimes though.

Could you imagine though what i'd be like? I wonder most of the civilized world would go, or just a select few to repopulate?

Have you heard the theories that we used to inhabit another planet? I forget which one... but there's like a statue or something there that closely resembles something in Egypt. I guess I should research that.

[timeflies51]

WHAT?! So you think the fight against communism and the Soviet Union and the Cuban Missile Crisis was "iffy"?

I think the fact that we just hated the Soviets at first only because they were communist was a weak reason. Now, when they started invading and making satellite countries and threatening us with nuclear weapons, yeah, then there was a reason.

But the main reason why it started? Because they were communist. Hatred evolved into the things later.

People have their opinions. Just because we have ours doesn't make it universally correct.

[demolished]

Thats very true. With warmer temperatures, and the ice caps melting. Hopefully that wont happen in our lifetimes though.

Could you imagine though what i'd be like? I wonder most of the civilized world would go, or just a select few to repopulate?

Have you heard the theories that we used to inhabit another planet? I forget which one... but there's like a statue or something there that closely resembles something in Egypt. I guess I should research that.

Oh wtf. Are you ... serious? I had never thought of that.



But, I don’t think it's true. During Egypt’s time, their technology wasn’t as great as today. I mean, they didn’t have their own spaceship. Speaking of alchemy, it might have happen, but alchemy had not been proved yet.

[think!IMAGINARIL...]

Have you heard the theories that we used to inhabit another planet? I forget which one... but there's like a statue or something there that closely resembles something in Egypt. I guess I should research that.

It sounds like.. Something from Alien Vs Predator.
I googled it and found nothing.

And how would they be able to see a statue on another planet? I don't think it's possible. We didn't even see Mars' surface clearly until we had the rovers, let alone another planet's.

Uhh, getting off topic here..