should they cancel writing SAT test? Options

[angel-roh]

heh i heard that they gona put up writing SAT test next year... i heard it from this girl...xxkrnqt... um something like that lols newais do u think they shud allow it???? i mean i dont like it. it's soo not fair! now it's more stressing!!!!! ackkk-_- im 10th grade and i dont want their to be another section! aiish!!!! wait is it only SAT 1? or all SATs?!?!?! man.... cus if i fail SAT 1... i prolly have to take it next year again...but still!!! ackk-_-

[WildGriffin]

Actually, they're taking away 2 sections as well.

Say bye-bye to quanatative (sp?) comparisons and analogies. Say hello to some good ol' writing.

[*Kathleen*]

I think it's about time they should add something for writing. A great example of how badly we need this are the grammical errors around createblog.

[XxKrNqTcUiTyxX]

i dont want writing!!! i dont mind having quantative comparisons and analogies.....

[Spirited Away]

Wait..............

So are they making it easier?

[angel-roh]

hmmm we dont know about that...since it's new section. i mean the seniors wouldnt know it either cus they havent take the new section of writing o_o

[Spirited Away]

I actually want it to stay the same, if not harder... HA~HA to those who haven't taken it yet.

[WildGriffin]

HARDER!

Nuts to that. What'd you get on it fae?

[*NatiMarie*]

I think they are going to take out the analogies and put in the writing instead. I would so prefer that because it's easier. I'm good at writing (well pretty good) and it's so much better than knowing what all those words mean. It makes it less strenuous because they have a higher basis on grading you. It's not like something that you will either get wrong or right, it's how you come forward to whatever issue you're writing about.

[Spirited Away]

Personally, I thought the writing was so much easier than the analogies, those were so......... pointless and hard. But reading and writing was so much easier than math.

Asking for my score is like asking how much I weight. Hehe, but I did well enough to get scholarships.

[WildGriffin]

Personally, I thought the writing was so much easier than the analogies, those were so......... pointless and hard. But reading and writing was so much easier than math.

Asking for my score is like asking how much I weight. Hehe, but I did well enough to get scholarships.

Hmmmmmmm....

Writing comes easier to some then others. If I were to take the SAT 2 with writing and no anologies....750-800 english right there.

Anologies kill me. I own the reading comprehension and sentence completion though

Analogies really do lean towards logic though. Good riddance to those suckers.

[Spirited Away]

Analogies really do lean towards logic thought. Good riddance to those suckers.

How true... that and math...

Now that I look back, I could've done sooo much better if I took it twice... I only took it once and then I chickened out.

[strice]

personally, i think both writing and analogies are easy. too bad for you non asians.

[Spirited Away]

personally, i think both writing and analogies are easy. too bad for you non asians.

Why is it 'too bad' for non-Asians?

[strice]

asians get drilled for this crap while you go play soccer.

[Spirited Away]

asians get drilled for this crap while you go play soccer.

Last time I checked, I was Asian, and I still am.

You mean most or some Asians get 'drilled' for it. My parents just told me to do my best.

[strice]

i saw your "almost a mutt" and i assumed you were mixed. i wasn't drilled for it either really, but i'm a minority. my friends all started doing SAT books back in 4th grade.

[Just_Dream]

Man.. I am bad at writing! LoL when I write any essays, I alwsyas use thesaurus and stuff lol and dictionaries So hmm... I guess I'm going to fail the writing part. But I mean, hopefully it won't be too difficult. Yea analogies are tough But I mean, i did them alot in 7th grade and I sort of understand how to do them. But then again, that was like 3 years ago AND near the end of the schoolyear my teacher gave me like these tough ones where I didn't even know a single word on the paper. >_<"

Anyhow yea maybe it is easier. But your hand will hurt more because of the fact that you'll have to write more rather than the original "bubbling in the circles." WHo knows, hopefully it will be easier for a dunce like me

[juliar]

Nope.
From what I've seen from some members in createBlog, they are in MAJOR need of some writing skills and verbal skills.
And from alot of other people in the outside world. If you take away that stuff from the SATs, well..no one would care..and people would be writing like...
Should no people eats fishes?

[WildGriffin]

Writing is going to be easier then most of you are giving it credit for.

It wont be so much about your vocab content + spelling, it'll be more about how you approach and support your statements or whatever.

Keep it structured and use lots of examples. You should do just fine.

[iheartsimba]

yes.

its gay

its dumb

and when tests are to long people tend to give up and not try as hard...

whats up wit tests like this anyway

WHO CARES.

obviously old people wanting to make us miserable >.<

we take the effing crct, gateway and all that crap. just go by that!

[whomps]

Ahhh.. the serenity of writing prompts.

Wait what serenity

[angel-roh]

yes.

its gay

its dumb

and when tests are to long people tend to give up and not try as hard...

whats up wit tests like this anyway

WHO CARES.

obviously old people wanting to make us miserable >.<

we take the effing crct, gateway and all that crap. just go by that!

I AGREE WITH U..WEN EVERY TEST GET S0 HARD I JUS WANT T0 GIVE UP..G00D THING IT`Z N0T JUS ME...IT`Z 0THER PPLS...IT`Z N0T FAIR F0R THE PAST..THEY WERENT LIKE THIS... BUT H0W C0ME THE FUTURE HAVE T0 BE T0UGH AND R0UGH...IT`Z JUS BULLSH*T

[darkcoldplace]

I AGREE WITH U..WEN EVERY TEST GET S0 HARD I JUS WANT T0 GIVE UP..G00D THING IT`Z N0T JUS ME...IT`Z 0THER PPLS...IT`Z N0T FAIR F0R THE PAST..THEY WERENT LIKE THIS... BUT H0W C0ME THE FUTURE HAVE T0 BE T0UGH AND R0UGH...IT`Z JUS BULLSH*T

really the sols wern t hard but sats good lord im a flat out die i hate tests they sit there all year and teach us it why dont they take the test its just bs..hard core bs..

[darkcoldplace]

I think it's about time they should add something for writing. A great example of how badly we need this are the grammical errors around createblog.

ROFLMMFAO haha true lYkE D1Z right...haha ya there should be a test on here lmao...see if we pass or not..i dont think we will...

[ComradeRed]

the SAT Writing is easy. I'm not even in my school's Honors English track and I got an 800. They curve it a lot.

[T00000]

no they shouldn't cancel anything in the SATs because i have a shitty GPA but great test scores

[EmeraldKnight]

Wow.. this is an old post (second to last )

Ok.. all I'm seeing (at least in the recent posts) is that
a. there's ppl in favor of it because they write well and perform well on the test (Minda don't show off.. )
b. there's ppl that hate it because they dont earn good scores..

I personally just dont like the fact that its scored out of 6 yet its worth 800 points.. so if you miss 1/6, you miss over 100 points...

Anyways.. its absolutely necessary because let's face it.. no matter how strong you are in other areas.. (ie. as science/math/history), you're going to need to be able to communicate with people.. to be able to write

One of the few exceptions would be in athletics.. unless you're interested in playing pro sports, writing is going to be necessary in your future.. and colleges need to be able to know how well you can write; it also depends on your interests and strengths.. writing wont be so important for a math major than it would be for a literature or history major, yet the math major still will need to be able to write

[JlIaTMK]

yeah it then would measure ur skills in writing also
i know its more work but its worth it

[princess2113]

NOOOO i hope they keep it

[ComradeRed]

The Writing will make it EASIER, not HARDER. I'm very experienced test-taker, and I can say for a fact that they will grade the essay leniently. They do on the PSAT and the SAT II Writing.

[EmeraldKnight]

The Writing will make it EASIER, not HARDER. I'm very experienced test-taker, and I can say for a fact that they will grade the essay leniently. They do on the PSAT and the SAT II Writing.

There is no writing on PSAT

ANd.. well, more lenient, perhaps.. but some people just dont write well, and for them, the test will be harder, you cant just say that it'll be easier for everyone Minda.. perhaps in your experience, but not everyone's

[ComradeRed]

There IS writing on the PSAT... just not an essay.

[EmeraldKnight]

There IS writing on the PSAT... just not an essay. 

Oh of course, I thought everyone was just referring to the essay...

[empyrean]

well i wasnt happy when i heard that theres gonna be a writing section on the sats starting 2005 because i think theres going to be much more room to make errors. even though its graded as a whole i would rather have the old test

[EmeraldKnight]

well i wasnt happy when i heard that theres gonna be a writing section on the sats starting 2005 because i think theres going to be much more room to make errors. even though its graded as a whole i would rather have the old test 

Make errors? What do you mean? I just hate the fact that its scored out of 6 and if you get a bad scorer.....

The main problem with the old test is that everyone prepares for it so much.. all these prep classes and stuff.. you can't realli prepare so much for the new test so it'll be a better gauge of one's abilities

[empyrean]

well i mean errors as in most likely you would have a higher chance of making a mistake, or as you said, you get a bad scorer and they for some reason dont like or understand the way you write. if this happens then it could seriously bring down your grade

The main problem with the old test is that everyone prepares for it so much.. all these prep classes and stuff.. you can't realli prepare so much for the new test so it'll be a better gauge of one's abilities

true because its been around for sometime and almost everyone knows exaclty what is going to be on it (well at least the types of questions on the test). i agree it may be a more accurate test about how a person's writing skills are but what about the other sections then? in the math section i think theyre taking out the quantitive comparison but i dont know what theyre putting in. i dont see how theyre going to "improve" the math section after all the sat isnt just all a verbal test

[EmeraldKnight]

true because its been around for sometime and almost everyone knows exaclty what is going to be on it (well at least the types of questions on the test). i agree it may be a more accurate test about how a person's writing skills are but what about the other sections then? in the math section i think theyre taking out the quantitive comparison but i dont know what theyre putting in. i dont see how theyre going to "improve" the math section after all the sat isnt just all a verbal test

For math, they're putting in higher level math stuff.. instead of the basic easy crap that's in there now

[empyrean]

oh ok well thats a bit better but in a few years, its just going to be the same again, and everyone will know basically whats on it with the exception of the writing part. a few decades or so ago it was basically impossible to get full score but now many people are because of the sat prep and everything. soon, after the changes are made, the sat prep classes or books or whatever are going to change too. theyre just going to have to keep on changing it

[EmeraldKnight]

oh ok well thats a bit better but in a few years, its just going to be the same again, and everyone will know basically whats on it with the exception of the writing part. a few decades or so ago it was basically impossible to get full score but now many people are because of the sat prep and everything. soon, after the changes are made, the sat prep classes or books or whatever are going to change too. theyre just going to have to keep on changing it

Yeah.. they should keep changing it.. times change, so why shouldnt tests?

[empyrean]

true they should change it im not completely against the changes in the sats but i feel more comfortable without the writing because as youve said, if you get unlucky and the person who scores your test doesnt like your essay, then youre basically dead

[EmeraldKnight]

true they should change it im not completely against the changes in the sats but i feel more comfortable without the writing because as youve said, if you get unlucky and the person who scores your test doesnt like your essay, then youre basically dead

But supposedly they're grading it easier..

*shrug* I dunno.. we'll have to see once it comes out..

[empyrean]

well thats a relief i remember taking it in seventh grade for this program i put down random answers and didnt bother to answer some questions in the verbal part n amazingly i didnt get a 200

[EmeraldKnight]

well thats a relief  i remember taking it in seventh grade for this program i put down random answers and didnt bother to answer some questions in the verbal part n amazingly i didnt get a 200

Haha.. perhaps you got lucky

[empyrean]

just hope i get as lucky when it comes to the thing that actually counts

[ComradeRed]

Remember, on the essay: You want to write like Ernest Hemmingway. Short, brief, and to the point.

[EmeraldKnight]

Thanks for the tip Minda!

(Unfortunately, conciseness has always defeated me.. )

[ComradeRed]

Just try not to impress them with being subtle or tactful... they read dozens of essays a day and will only spend two or three minutes on yours. They are going to be too tired to read for meaning. Be blunt.

Now you know why I got an 800 on mine :).

[empyrean]

yeah thanks for the tips ill be sure to engrave them into my brain

[visualfusion]

THey should get rid of the SAT 1 period! That test proves absolutely nothing, except for the fact that you can walk in and fill in bubbles correctly.

[EmeraldKnight]

THey should get rid of the SAT 1 period! That test proves absolutely nothing, except for the fact that you can walk in and fill in bubbles correctly.

WTF? Erm... no comment..

[forgottenrazor]

**laughs** yea i think so b-cuz i'll never be able to step into a university if i had to take my sat's...pretty sad actually ...:(

[HiddenFaerie]

Even though I love to write, and I'm an aspiring author, I'm dreading this. Their removing the things that I excelled at (analogies are simple) and putting it writing. Oh yes, excite us with the riveting topics. If they can think of interesting topics I'm all for it. But that's a big IF.

[ComradeRed]

Topics on the SAT II are things like "Does every cloud have a silver lining?" just really generic stuff. You can basically write on whatever you want to write on.

[islandkiss]

well, your future depends on the sat

I say screw it.. it's too much stress..

[EmeraldKnight]

well, your future depends on the sat

I say screw it.. it's too much stress..

Tough, the real world is full of stress, this helps prepare you for it

Topics on the SAT II are things like "Does every cloud have a silver lining?" just really generic stuff. You can basically write on whatever you want to write on. 

Then how do they grade it?

[*FreeStickers*]

gosh. I heard about that. I can write pretty well, but I'm really lazy. This is going to screw me up. grrr. I bet my score'll go down this time.

[EmeraldKnight]

gosh. I heard about that. I can write pretty well, but I'm really lazy. This is going to screw me up. grrr. I bet my score'll go down this time.

If you can write well, why will it mess up your score?

[visualfusion]

Topics on the SAT II are things like "Does every cloud have a silver lining?" just really generic stuff. You can basically write on whatever you want to write on.

FALSE, most SAT II writing topics are quotes and you are asked if you agree or disagree.

Example: "The end justifies the means. Do you agree or disagree"

Of course, that is a very simple example, and the ones on the SAT II writing test are a bit longer, but they're just like that.

[ComradeRed]

Then how do they grade it?

Um... they grade on how well you write...

You should write like Ernest Hemmingway. Short and to the point. No flowery language. NO gramatical or spelling mistakes.

Um visual fusion... that was a quote... "Every cloud has a silver lining. Argue for or against"... I got an 800 I know what the test is like,.

[rnrn897]

i don think its fair for sophmores righ now.. cuz now they have to take it over if the college they wanna get into only accepts the new ones

[EmeraldKnight]

i don think its fair for sophmores righ now.. cuz now they have to take it over if the college they wanna get into only accepts the new ones

There always has to be a cutoff year, if not the sophomores, then the freshmen.. one year will be unfortunate; its unavoidable

[ComradeRed]

Actually, no. Most colleges will accept BOTH SAT Is and revsied SAT Is for the next few years. Duke will do so for two more years.

[aud_chua]

i like the idea that the analogies and quantitative comparison sections are out.. those were really useless.. now, writing is much better!! i like it.. to bad i graduated high school already.. =\

[ComradeRed]

THey should get rid of the SAT 1 period! That test proves absolutely nothing, except for the fact that you can walk in and fill in bubbles correctly.

Then all the best schools will be stocked by Andover/Exeter preppies. Good job. Oh, and some undeserving affirmative action admits... but mainly preppies.

[EmeraldKnight]

Then all the best schools will be stocked by Andover/Exeter preppies. Good job. Oh, and some undeserving affirmative action admits... but mainly preppies

What do you mean by that Minda?

[ComradeRed]

Read it as is ... without the SATs, we will go back to how things were in 1960 where you got into college based on what high school you went to.

[bibliomania]

Well, as much as a lot of people want the writing SAT test cancelled, they (people who make the tests and approve them) won't probably listen.

[jo3]

most people think that the writing section is gonna be a burden, when in fact it should help most people (unless you're extremely gifted and know a lot of vocab words...or ur just great at memorizing). the writing section is the exact same as the PSAT writing section (with the exception of the essay) or the SAT II writing, but the essay is so open ended that you can pretty much about anything. if i was younger, i'd def. take the new SAT because i'm not that strong at vocab

also, adding a writing section makes the test more balanced. although you can learn the test, it requires more skill rather than just practice. you can learn a lot of vocab but still not know much about the english language, whereas the new section will make sure you're good at the grammar part of english

[capsule]

i'd def. take the new SAT because i'm not that strong at vocab

the new SATs will still require a strong foundation w/ vocabulary.

Actually, no. Most colleges will accept BOTH SAT Is and revsied SAT Is for the next few years. Duke will do so for two more years.

lol....most colleges will not accept both sats....STATE UNIVERSITIES especially. Better to stick with the new one, cause while some colleges will accept the old, ALL will accept the new.

You should write like Ernest Hemmingway. Short and to the point.

i agree. also, they give you 20 or 25 minutes, so make sure you go through your essay over and over again till you make sure it's "perfect" (since it's worth 1/3 of the whole thing)

i like the idea that the analogies and quantitative comparison sections are out

oh man, analogies were horrible, i hated em and i thought they were worthless. i owned the quantative comparison, hardly got any wrong cause it was so easy :D.

I know too many people who wants to resort to the whole "perfect score" thing...

[*Fallen_Fairy*]

that sucks for all classes 06 and younger,

since im 2005, i dont have to do the writing YAY ME

[silver-rain]

seeing as i'm the class of 06, i'll have to take this new SAT. part of me is happy that the anaogies are gone, but the other part is apprehensive about the new writing section- espeically the essay. but the writing section is similar to the PSAT, except the essay, and the PSAT was pretty easy. but the essay- arg. i can't write for my life... but this makes the SAT more personal i guess. oh well, i guess i'll just have to deal with it.

[EmeraldKnight]

Well, as much as a lot of people want the writing SAT test cancelled, they (people who make the tests and approve them) won't probably listen

Well of course, seeing as how there's no good reason to cancel it

most people think that the writing section is gonna be a burden, when in fact it should help most people (unless you're extremely gifted and know a lot of vocab words...or ur just great at memorizing). the writing section is the exact same as the PSAT writing section (with the exception of the essay) or the SAT II writing, but the essay is so open ended that you can pretty much about anything. if i was younger, i'd def. take the new SAT because i'm not that strong at vocab

also, adding a writing section makes the test more balanced. although you can learn the test, it requires more skill rather than just practice. you can learn a lot of vocab but still not know much about the english language, whereas the new section will make sure you're good at the grammar part of english

Nicely said.. people should read that

lol....most colleges will not accept both sats....STATE UNIVERSITIES especially. Better to stick with the new one, cause while some colleges will accept the old, ALL will accept the new.

You should take both, because colleges will look at both.. a 1600 on the old one is still very impressive

oh man, analogies were horrible, i hated em and i thought they were worthless. i owned the quantative comparison, hardly got any wrong cause it was so easy :D.

I'm the opposite of you..

seeing as i'm the class of 06, i'll have to take this new SAT. part of me is happy that the anaogies are gone, but the other part is apprehensive about the new writing section- espeically the essay. but the writing section is similar to the PSAT, except the essay, and the PSAT was pretty easy. but the essay- arg. i can't write for my life... but this makes the SAT more personal i guess. oh well, i guess i'll just have to deal with it.

1. I don't understand why everyone hates analogies...
2. I like your attitude, recognizing both the favorable and unfavorable aspects, instead of simply bashing the SAT like some others have done

[F1R3B4T]

cancel writing sat test? thats a good idea. lol. no wonder so many drop outs dese days

[highly_evolved]

yea ther is gna ba writing protion. i think its good. you can kinda show mroe of youself. also they will amke the SAT available to be done on the computer.

[EmeraldKnight]

yea ther is gna ba writing protion. i think its good. you can kinda show mroe of youself. also they will amke the SAT available to be done on the computer.

Done on the computer? Where did you hear that? That doesn't seem like a very good idea...

[acidbreeze]

I almost liked those comparisons and analogies when I took my SAT..

This was a cover article on TIME a while ago..

I really hated sitting in that room for 6 hours (at least there were some breaks).. It was dreadful.

The reason we have to take the SAT is because it's the only nationwide test that really shows colleges the average student and if they would want them at their college. (for example, the virginia sol may be harder than the texas sol, and montana might not even have a "sol") [standards of learning, btw]


~~it could be a computer with no internet connection, just put laptops in the testing room. i guess that would be ok, i type faster than i write, and i don't like my handwriting