What I have noticed Options

[no-name]

I noticed that a lot of people have been getting warning lately.

Even Kathleen and Steven have been warned

What do ya'll think about this?

[*baby_in_blue*]

i think we should all be mods.

[Retrogressive]

For what exactly??

[no-name]

I wish..that won't happen anytime soon.

i was thinking earlier what if an admin was spamming like crazy then how would they be warned

[*Kathleen*]

I was "spamming," Linda. I didn't even get a verbal warning beforehand..

[no-name]

Me neither..They usually give verbal warnings before hand. I got warned for "spamming" too.

[smoke]

I was "spamming," Linda. I didn't even get a verbal warning beforehand..

Yup. That's how cB operates these days, unfortunately.

I noticed a lot of warnings too. I guess they're trying to crack down and make this place even more strict and less fun.

[*StanleyThePanda*]

Well, maybe everyone should stop breaking the rules
That solves everything.. right?

[*Kathleen*]

^x2 Yeah, they do.

Edit // All of my posts were legitimate. Even ask Jesus - he was there.

[no-name]

I think they should at least give us a verbal warning first..That is unfair

[*Kathleen*]

^ Yeah.. just because they're supposedly "cracking down" on us doesn't mean they shouldn't abide by their own rules.

[pedophile]

I don't remember getting a verbal warning beforehand.

Sooo, who did everyone get warned by?

[no-name]

I was warned by suzzette

[*mzkandi*]

If you were warned you should have gotten a verbal warning beforehand. I will put up a reminder backstage about that.

[smoke]

I think they should at least give us a verbal warning first..That is unfair

Agreed. And give us a definition of spam, because the old one is thrown out I think. I think the mods are confused as to what spam actually is, so of course we are. That's why there's so much "Err.. eh, I guess this will stay open" and "No, I don't think this is a good topic. This might be spam. Closed."

I mean, to be fair, yes some people just flat out spam, but others sometimes don't even know they are spamming because one moderator's definition of "spam" is completely different from another moderator.

If you were warned you should have gotten a verbal warning beforehand. I will put up a reminder backstage about that.

Thank you.

[*Kathleen*]

Agreed. And give us a definition of spam, because the old one is thrown out I think. I think the mods are confused as to what spam actually is, so of course we are. That's why there's so much "Err.. eh, I guess this will stay open" and "No, I don't think this is a good topic. This might be spam. Closed."

I mean, to be fair, yes some people just flat out spam, but others sometimes don't even know they are spamming because one moderator's definition of "spam" is completely different from another moderator.
Thank you.

Well said.

[no-name]

If you were warned you should have gotten a verbal warning beforehand. I will put up a reminder backstage about that.

I love you kiera

[*baby_in_blue*]

i kiera too.

[no-name]

Yay..my warning is gone..*worships Kiera and Libertie*..I sound like an ass kisser now

[*baby_in_blue*]

^woo hoo! congrats

[*krnxswat*]

Calm the f**k down. Having warnings doesn't affect your posting abilities at all (atleast, I don't think it does). I was warned upto 70% and I had no restrictions, and had the same ability as the user who was never warned. Don't start quarreling on what is considered spam and what isn't; we've debated over that too many times before.

[*Kathleen*]

Calm the f**k down. Having warnings doesn't affect your posting abilities at all (atleast, I don't think it does). I was warned upto 70% and I had no restrictions, and had the same ability as the user who was never warned. Don't start quarreling on what is considered spam and what isn't; we've debated over that too many times before.

Yeah, but it prohibits one from becoming an official member. *Cries*

[*baby_in_blue*]

^werent you admin before?

[Mr. Slowjamz]

can you handle the warnings?

[no-name]

Yeah..Kathleen was an admin before

[*Kathleen*]

^werent you admin before?

Yes - why do you ask?

[smoke]

Calm the f**k down. Having warnings doesn't affect your posting abilities at all (atleast, I don't think it does). I was warned upto 70% and I had no restrictions, and had the same ability as the user who was never warned. Don't start quarreling on what is considered spam and what isn't; we've debated over that too many times before.

Last I checked, everyone was calm.

Actually, if you get warned you can't become an official member until you get it removed, so it does indeed affect you. And I'm well aware that we've debated over the spam before, but mods need to come up with a fair definition and stick with it. All of them.

[*baby_in_blue*]

Last I checked, everyone was calm.

Actually, if you get warned you can't become an official member until you get it removed, so it does indeed affect you. And I'm well aware that we've debated over the spam before, but mods need to come up with a fair definition and stick with it. All of them.

seriouslyyy. they should all agree on a definition and announce it.

Yes - why do you ask?

why did you not want to be one?

[no-name]

seriouslyyy. they should all agree on a definition and announce it.

why did you not want to be one?

She had told me this before. She felt that she was unwanted here

[smoke]

seriouslyyy. they should all agree on a definition and announce it.

why did you not want to be one?

Haha, this should be funny. Answer Kathleen! Truthfully!

lmao :P

[GREASEbaby]

Hmm..I just got a message from dani, she said that a lot of people are member bashing.

However I have seen a lot of warnings for spam.
Even I didn't see that when I first got here.

And that was only in april

[*Kathleen*]

seriouslyyy. they should all agree on a definition and announce it.

why did you not want to be one?

Lonnnnnnng story I don't want to get into. Besides, the thread is Backstage, so I couldn't show it to you.

[smoke]

^ awww man. I was ready for a good bed time story, haha.

[*baby_in_blue*]

^LOL I KNOW ! aw. is it a REALLY REALLY long story? and what does the backstage look like?

[technicolour]

but mods need to come up with a fair definition and stick with it. All of them.

I mean this in a nice way. Don't take it in a "well, whatever you stupid member" way.

What is your defintion of spam?


Backstage is just a bunch of threads. Nothing special?

[*baby_in_blue*]

^oh. haha.

[*Kathleen*]

^LOL I KNOW ! aw. is it a REALLY REALLY long story? and what does the backstage look like?

Yeah, it is. And Backstage? It's magical. Fairies and unicorns reside there.

[*baby_in_blue*]

^LOL. can you send me a unicorn via PM then?

[smoke]

I think the mods are confused as to what spam actually is, so of course we are.

I mean this in a nice way. Don't take it in a "well, whatever you stupid member" way.

What is your defintion of spam?
Backstage is just a bunch of threads. Nothing special?

Aw, I wouldn't take it that way, haha. I'm really confused what spam REALLY is! That's why I brought it up.

I think the mods are confused as to what spam actually is, so of course we are.

That's why I said that. How am I suppose to know what spam is when it doesn't even seem like the mods themselves know? That's why I think the mods need to get togeather, TRULY discuss it, and come up with a definition that they ALL go by.

[no-name]

NO SPAMMING
Spam will in no way be tolerated.
Spam can also be posting repeated, through different topics
or repeatedly posting a topic that has been deleted by a mod.
No one word replies, in that case no short posts such as "i don't know", "cool", "nice" and etc. as well as posts with only smileys (unless you're in the Sandbox aka Forum Games).
Repetitive, copy and paste messages will not be tolerated.


This is what i got from the forum rules. This does not explain much. This is totally different from what the mods consider spam. Iwant to know what they consider spam

[*Kathleen*]

^LOL. can you send me a unicorn via PM then?

I can't! I'm just a member - I don't have access to Backstage anymore.

[GREASEbaby]

^x2 Yepp.

It's ridiculous.
In January I heard from a friend that this place is all calm, laid back, and pretty much freaking awesome.

I looked here for layouts for a while, then I joined, and I didn't really get what my friend described to me

And it might take part in the dying of createblog. New members won't wanna stick around, and old members will either be too busy, grow out of it, or just not like it anymore cause nobody is here.

[smoke]

NO SPAMMING
Spam will in no way be tolerated.
Spam can also be posting repeated, through different topics
or repeatedly posting a topic that has been deleted by a mod.
No one word replies, in that case no short posts such as "i don't know", "cool", "nice" and etc. as well as posts with only smileys (unless you're in the Sandbox aka Forum Games).
Repetitive, copy and paste messages will not be tolerated.
This is what i got from the forum rules. This does not explain much. This is totally different from what the mods consider spam. Iwant to know what they consider spam

Exactly. I've looked at that as well and didn't get much out of it.

[no-name]

I think they should revise that rule..Put there own definition in

[technicolour]

Whatever "our definition" is

I mean, if you make a thread about kung fu fighting turtles, and everyone either talks about kung fu, or turtles, or both, then technically it's all on subject. It's just of a random sort of theme that everyone is staying on subject about.

[*Kathleen*]

Exactly. I've looked at that as well and didn't get much out of it.

So by that definition, I shouldn't have been warned.

[GREASEbaby]

Hmm, just a random thought, but has anybody realized the frequency of people posting in the hiatus thread?

It seems to be getting more and more posts faster..

[no-name]

Yeah..i know i realized that too. Some say they aren't coming back to next year..CB is dying slowly

[smoke]

Whatever "our definition" is

I mean, if you make a thread about kung fu fighting turtles, and everyone either talks about kung fu, or turtles, or both, then technically it's all on subject. It's just of a random sort of theme that everyone is staying on subject about.

That's why you guys need to get togeather and make a fair definition of what spam actually is.

And I'm not quite following where you're going with that example.

So by that definition, I shouldn't have been warned.

Haha. See? That's what I mean. No two mods have the same idea of what spam is.

[*Kathleen*]

Yeah, but the ones that actually matter are coming back - they're not leaving forever.

[technicolour]

Now would this be considered spam:

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=145000


?

[no-name]

Yeah..you have a point there

Also i should not have been warned either

[technicolour]

So, that..erm..Great Balls of Fire topic...would be considered spam?

[smoke]

So, that..erm..Great Balls of Fire topic...would be considered spam?

Hahaha, I think Sandra turned that into a spamfest.

And I suppose that would be spam because there's no real content to it. It's just someone going on about their balls of fire. Even so, I'm still unsure. There's still no set definition on what spam is.

[technicolour]

^ OKAY HERE WE GO!

Something that has content to it.

I think the definition of spam is whether the content is worth discussing or not.


I'm trying to come up with a good definition.

[Gigi]

I'd have to agree with Seon Ho on this. I can't count how many times we've had this conversation.

I really don't like how people view the mods as power-hungry or indecisive, when it's really very difficult to control the forums around here. What with all the people that try to make things difficult.

Mods are not all "AY! Ah am a mod, and YOU WILL RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH!"

Sorry, I just had to urge to steal a catchphrase from Cartman.

By the way, forum rules, as far as I can remember, has not been updated in a while. I think the mods should get around the updating official stuff once in a while.

My definition of spam is:

• One or two random word posts (i.e., "lol, haha" in a Relationships topic)
• Stuff not pertaining to the topic (i.e., "South Park is the bestest show ever, no?" in a topic about, say, Myspace codes)
• Chatting --> Some should be tolerated, if it relates to the topic, but chatroom-like talking is just annoying and a waste of bandwidth. Use the chatroom. That's what it's there for.
• Blatant ignorance of forum/topic rules (i.e., in Member Photos there's a rule that you must thumb pictures that stretch out the forums, and if you keep doing it after you're warned, it should be considered spam, or warning-worthy)
• Copying and pasting stuff (i.e., in Introductions, copying and pasting "Welcome to cB, and enjoy your stay!" for each thread)
• Repetitive topics (Clubs topics. It's pretty obvious when they're serious clubs and when they're just spammy, chattering clique-y clubs)
• Random topics that no one will be able to reply to in a productive manner (I like Kristina's examples, they make sense to me)

The list, I'm sure, goes on.

[technicolour]

I think the definition of spam is whether the content is worth discussing or not.
I'm trying to come up with a good definition.

It would seem Gigi's list sums most of it up.

[GREASEbaby]

Gigi, you're a GOD!

[Simba]

That was beautiful Gigi!

[no-name]

I like Gigi's defintion..It pretty much sums up what spam is

[smoke]

^ OKAY HERE WE GO!

Something that has content to it.

I think the definition of spam is whether the content is worth discussing or not.
I'm trying to come up with a good definition.

Yay! Haha, thank you, but you ALL need to get on this backstage! Seriously. See, people get their own definitions but you all need to discuss it and agree on your own definition so that EVERY mod has to follow it. Otherwise, we're all back the the same old problem all over again.

And thank you Gigiopolis. That's a good start and I like your definition. I hope you can get all the mods to get in on this and agree to a definition you all have to follow.

[technicolour]

definitions

Is there anything else anyone can think of?

[no-name]

I can't think of anything right now but when I do I will put it up here for sure.

Oh yeah I don't think the mods are power hungry or anything like that. I like how they are doing their job. It just seem like different mods has a different deffinition of spam. (refering to the first part of Gigi's post)

[technicolour]

Alright. I'll make a thread backstage.

[smoke]

^ Thanks a lot. It is important to us members, and I know some of you guys think we nag, but really it is important haha.

I hope it doesn't go down the "We've discussed this before" road. I hope you guys really try and discuss this and come to a fair definition you can all agree on and go by.

[GREASEbaby]

I think the truly commited members should form a campeign of some sort...make a banner to put in people's sigs. Then all the "committee" members can go around telling people to sign a petition. Hahh. That'd be cool...

[technicolour]

Okay. Thread made. At the very early hours of the morning. I ramble too much.

I think the truly commited members should form a campeign of some sort...make a banner to put in people's sigs. Then all the "committee" members can go around telling people to sign a petition. Hahh. That'd be cool...

What would a campaign do?

[smoke]

I think the truly commited members should form a campeign of some sort...make a banner to put in people's sigs. Then all the "committee" members can go around telling people to sign a petition. Hahh. That'd be cool...

Wow, I really like that idea! It'd make it eaisier on the mods too. I know it's hard for you guys trying to please everyone. You should see what the mods think of that idea. I'd be all for it.

[no-name]

That would no do much..I don't think it would do anything at all really

[technicolour]

I don't even understand what she?(please say you're a she..) is trying to say

[GREASEbaby]

Haha us too will figure it out and get it to work.

We can get at least one mod to back us up on it :ahem:
^Yes I'm a she. Hah. My Name's janette.

Haha not really a campeign it was just a matter of speech.
Just some cb members gather up and really, really try to get this to work.

[technicolour]

Okay I get it now. Sort of.


And i'm trying to figure out how to explain how I feel about that.

Its too early.


Hi Janette

[smoke]

Okay. Thread made. At the very early hours of the morning. I ramble too much.
What would a campaign do?

I think what she means is that certain serious active members should get together and have ideas about what they want based on their ideas and the ideas of other members and sign petitions. Then, once they have enough signatures, they present that to the mods and if the mods see enough support, they'll consider it.

I guess it's kind of like PDA meetings and meetings at town centers where the community presents their ideas/concerns to the committee and the committee puts together a petition and presents it to the county government.

[GREASEbaby]

Haha not really a campeign it was just a matter of speech.
Just some cb members gather up and really, really try to get this to work.

^^Exactlyy.

[Gigi]

Oh yeah I don't think the mods are power hungry or anything like that. I like how they are doing their job. It just seem like different mods has a different deffinition of spam. (refering to the first part of Gigi's post)

Nah, I wasn't talking about you guys. I'm referring to some other members, but I might be wrong about them.

Also, is the forum rules thread the ONLY thread on here that has a definition of spam(a poor one, at that)?

If that's the case, then this'll just be a matter of updating the thread with more specifics and detail.

[no-name]

I will check it out to see if there is a better deffintion that the forum rules.

I didn't understand what the girl was saying about the petitions thing but i sort of do now and it might be a good idea

[technicolour]

I think what she means is that certain serious active members should get togeather and have ideas about what they want based on their ideas and the ideas of other members and sign petitions. Then, once they have enough signatures, they present that to the mods and if the mods see enough support, they'll consider it.

Okay,I really get it now.


I like the idea. I do...but..i'm a "the-glass-is-half-empty person" and I think something could go wrong. What exactly? Im not sure but, -sigh- I can't explain myself.

What would the petition state? You shouldn't ask for signatures, but rather short paragraphs based on what they want about spam and whatever else.

[GREASEbaby]

Please don't call me the girl. My name's Janette and it's mentioned in my member title.

I'm sorry, I'm feeling a little sad cause a lot of my friends here forgot about me during my break from cb

edit//

should i post a topic asking people if they wanna be part of the little "committee?"
I'll quote brenden.

[Simba]

I think what she means is that certain serious active members should get togeather and have ideas about what they want based on their ideas and the ideas of other members and sign petitions. Then, once they have enough signatures, they present that to the mods and if the mods see enough support, they'll consider it.

I always thought that that's what the Feedback and By-Laws forums were for. Though, I never really went there that much.

I guess the thing is those places don't really get that much attention from regular members.

The petition idea does sound interesting though.

[smoke]

Nah, I wasn't talking about you guys. I'm referring to some other members, but I might be wrong about them.

Also, is the forum rules thread the ONLY thread on here that has a definition of spam(a poor one, at that)?

If that's the case, then this'll just be a matter of updating the thread with more specifics and detail.

Right. One that all mods agree on, understand, and have to follow. That'll get rid of the confusion and the various opinions and definitions of what spam really is.

[GREASEbaby]

:]] I like how people are liking my idea. lol.

[no-name]

I found something about spamming in the community guidelines..It is a bit more specific than the Forum rules

POINTLESS POSTS
To enhance the experience of these forums, please do not post just for the sake of posts counts. We care more about what you say than how many times you can hit the "add reply" button. Spamming is a BIG no-no here. This includes double posting (posting two or more posts in a row), repeated posts (even in different threads), and anything unrelevant to the topic at hand.

[technicolour]

WAIT
DONT MAKE A TOPIC ABOUT IT YET


FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PETITION WOULD SAY FIRST

And if a petition idea conecept would really work

[GREASEbaby]

Okayy.

Lol I would write something but I'm such a terrible writer in the middle of the summer.

Anyone got ideas?

[Simba]

The community rules should apply to all of the forums, with a few exceptions. I suppose the rules in each forum are just a heads up and specific rules about certain forums.

Though I can see how you might want the definition of spam updated.

[technicolour]

I think instead of signatures..you should ask for small paragraphs stating what they, the person, want in terms of rules about spamming and such?

[smoke]

I always thought that that's what the Feedback and By-Laws forums were for. Though, I never really went there that much.

I guess the thing is those places don't really get that much attention from regular members.

The petition idea does sound interesting though.

Yeah, they really don't. It's a shame. :\ But I think this will be more of a "hands on" interaction rather then just posting about it.

You shouldn't ask for signatures, but rather short paragraphs based on what they want about spam and whatever else.

Ohhh, I like that idea. Gives more meaning and understanding.

should i post a topic asking people if they wanna be part of the little "committee?"
I'll quote brenden.

yeah! That sounds good. Thanks! :) Do you think the mods will be OK with this though? I think it'll be a way for us to help each other out.

[*baby_in_blue*]

spam is sooo annoying.

[GREASEbaby]

Yes, that should work.

:]
But there still should be some way of advertising (gah..even if it is against the forum rules i guess) the petition so it gets around to people who really care about the community.

Brenden, you should be my partner-in-crime. hah.

[no-name]

Yeah it would. I also like the parapgraph thing that Kristina was talking about instead of the siggies

[technicolour]

spam is sooo annoying.

No offense but that was pretty annoying.

This is advertising something about Cb. It's different.

well, we could still make HITHEREIMASIG! talking about this idea. And have it link to a thread about this?

[GREASEbaby]

^Mmm okay I guess that's true, lol.

[smoke]

Yes, that should work.

:]
But there still should be some way of advertising (gah..even if it is against the forum rules i guess) the petition so it gets around to people who really care about the community.

Brenden, you should be my partner-in-crime. hah.

Haha, I'd be honored.

You mean like banners and such? I don't think it's against the rules if it benifits the community. I think what they mean by advertising is links to other sites and products and stuff.

[no-name]

How many people would actually sign the petition? Some of the people on here are pro-spam

[technicolour]

I don't get to be a partner in crime ? [/spam

This is good advertising.


GAH NO SIGNING OF PETITION! SHORT PARAGRAPHS. MORE MEANING.





I think a lot of people who just got warned about this would. Or those who are just plain out confused. Like me.

[Simba]

I really like how the community actually does want to improve Createblog.

I suppose the Lounge gets the most attention, I'm sure the other mods would agree on keeping a feedback-y thread here since the feedback doesn't really get that much attention.

You would be able to advertise the petition by linking on your board signatures.

[GREASEbaby]

Yay. I have a partner! [;

Somehow we gotta get it around to people if there aren't any sigs.

edit///

aww of course you can be a partner-in-crime!

arjuna- I was thinking that, but then I thought, link to what, exactly?

[no-name]

It would be a good idea to pin the petition topic instead of leaving it out here with these other topics

[technicolour]

^ Now that, I can't do. I'm design. But Jesus here can!

Well, lets figure out what we want our thread to say.

[*decadence*]

Not on the spamming issue, but on the original topic--

I understand that the moderators have been told by Jusun to not be so strict (something along those lines), and they are a lot more lenient now than before. However, it seems that although posting guidelines are supposedly more lax, warning seems to be more rampant (or so this thread says).

I haven't seen Kathleen spam, but she does post a lot. Even if you wanted to consider her posts spam, would the quality (or lack thereof) or quantity be on par with the old spam fests on cB? Hardly. If the rules are supposed to be more permissive than before, than the consequence should not, I believe, come more quickly, which it seems is the case now. Mods used to be hesitant to even give out verbal warnings, but now they don't even give them out?

....

I'll let that speak for itself.

Also, someone said early on that everyone should be modded, and they were clearly just joking around. However, I know that some members have had issues with the moderating team as a whole--hell, I was one of them, and may possibly still be.

Ultimately, the problem is that it's the same general group of people holding power. Yes, I understand that under the new bylaws, the new moderator hiring process supposedly (finally) includes input from the community, but what it boils down to is that it's still the headstaff and administrators choosing. Out of those top moderators, how many of them are in touch with members outside of the actual forums? I know it's not a requirement, but it does make for better morale, right? How many of them will go and chat up with newer or lesser known members? Again, it's not required, but it would sure as hell make the mods seem to be less elitist to the community, on both counts.

Because there does exist a backstage that is there for organizational purposes, the moderators grow closer to each other and due to that, sometimes (especially in the past) form pockets of regular members who are unhappy with the decision making (namely hiring).

btw, I suck at putting my thoughts into words when I'm tired so don't hold it against me. ;_;

I think what she means is that certain serious active members should get togeather and have ideas about what they want based on their ideas and the ideas of other members and sign petitions. Then, once they have enough signatures, they present that to the mods and if the mods see enough support, they'll consider it.

Um.. bylaws? ._.

edit - Aw, fuck my post was on the bottom of the page. *sad*