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science shud be optional for students
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post May 26 2004, 06:14 AM
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i get so stressed with all these stuff..y cant we have an optional rather or not we wana do it... i knoe it's important for everyone to know...but still... they can figure it from the news... i dont know...but i kinda like science, but the thing is that y shud take science? dont u guys got an arguments? shud science be optional at the year of 2010? or shud science shud be taken by every students in skool at the year of 2010? mostly 30 to 40 of my friends are talking about it too... and thot this was a good argument heh cus my friends and i are doing an argument about science^^
 
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post May 26 2004, 06:19 AM
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yeah...ic how they want us to take certain classes so our society doesnt become like illiterate...but once u get into abt High School..u shuld b able to opt...lots of those classes u dunt need...esp health....i mean i already know abt sex..n PE...i know HOW to exercise....i just dunt...i think u shuld b able to choose...i need biology cuz im goin to med school...but like earth science? i mean unless ur majoring on sumething like that...that is like the most boring class i have ever taken im my life
 
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post May 26 2004, 09:57 AM
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At our highschool, we choose which science classes we want to take. Only two are required.

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Don't let the AP physics throw you though, I suck at it.
 
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post May 26 2004, 09:57 AM
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Absolutely not, science should remain a core requirement.

The foundations of any study is vastly important to education, especially math and science. If students were to go to college, clueless of atoms, the periodic table or lacking the knowledge of their own anatomy, America's education system would plummet as we know it. Our children will become... brainless to a certain extent.

Taking a science class in high school is nothing compared to what you'll learn in college. It's all basic science, unless you're already taking physics (II).

I would very much like to discuss science with my children when they're in high school. It would prove that my tax money and investment in their education are worth while.
 
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post May 26 2004, 10:03 AM
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The foundations of any study is vastly important to education, especially math and science. If students were to go to college, clueless of atoms, the periodic table or lacking the knowledge of their own anatomy, America's education system would plummet as we know it. Our children will become... brainless to a certain extent.


Oh, I dunno if it would be that drastic. Considering it already is like that. Alot of science is like a foriegn language, it gets forgotten over time; due to it's massive amount of disuse by joe schmo.

I mean, if I remember any physics equation or laws when I hit 40, it'll only be because i'm working with it at the time. But things like earth science and biology are essential.

If any subject needs to be beefed up, it's english. People need to learn how to express their feelings/thoughts both in writing and speech, and communicate on a higher level.
 
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QUOTE(WildGriffin @ May 26 2004, 10:03 AM)
Oh, I dunno if it would be that drastic. Considering it already is like that. Alot of science is like a foriegn language, it gets forgotten over time; due to it's massive amount of disuse by joe schmo.

I mean, if I remember any physics equation or laws when I hit 40, it'll only be because i'm working with it at the time. But things like earth science and biology are essential.

If any subject needs to be beefed up, it's english. People need to learn how to express their feelings/thoughts both in writing and speech, and communicate on a higher level.

You're right science and math seems like they are different languages.

In my opinion, you must learn the basics before getting really into it. For example, I know college students, in the same class as myself, who failed almost every math and science class they took, and when I asked why, their answer was that either they haven't learned this stuff, or that they don't remembered what they learned.

In college, professors will review the basics in introductory classes, but they will not spend the whole semester teaching you what you SHOULD already know.

In other words, you wouldn't be prepared for college if you don't already know some of the basics.

BTW, one of the reason why high schools seem to engage students in all these math and science is because they know that many of their students will NOT go to college. If students do not go to college, it is best that they at least know the basics of science before facing society.
 
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post May 26 2004, 11:08 AM
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QUOTE(princess2113 @ May 26 2004, 6:19 AM)
yeah...ic how they want us to take certain classes so our society doesnt become like illiterate...but once u get into abt High School..u shuld b able to opt...lots of those classes u dunt need...esp health....i mean i already know abt sex..n PE...i know HOW to exercise....i just dunt...i think u shuld b able to choose...i need biology cuz im goin to med school...but like earth science? i mean unless ur majoring on sumething like that...that is like the most boring class i have ever taken im my life

English Language and Composition is always useful...
 
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QUOTE(ComradeRed @ May 26 2004, 11:08 AM)
English Language and Composition is always useful...

HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH laugh.gif .

I get what you're saying... anyway, back to topic, how do you feel about science being optional?
 
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post May 26 2004, 11:36 AM
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 26 2004, 11:19 AM)
HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH laugh.gif .

I get what you're saying... anyway, back to topic, how do you feel about science being optional?

I think it should be the choice of the individual school. [Privatize schools]

Even if it were optional, most students (nearly all!) would take it anyway because colleges recommend it, and also that it's just all around a good idea.
 
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post May 26 2004, 12:19 PM
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The only people that want science to be optional are the ones that don't like it. I don't like arts subjects like English and foreign languages. Why shouldn't they be optional?
 
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post May 26 2004, 01:11 PM
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I think that you should have to take one of every science personally....cuz im mean most of the shit is common sence...and those that cant even get through aand Earth Science Class have got to be Dumb as hell...that class is a sleeper...thats all i did and i got a 98 in the class and a 88 on the State Regents test...If people cant take a science class drop out of school you need to kno y the world is the way it is that is what Science is for....But then you have the Stuck up religous type people that think it all i lie because its not in the worlds biggest piece of propaganda(Bible)......If the things you learn in science arent tru then they wouldnt teach them because everything has been tested and retested to prove validity.....so just suck it up people
 
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post May 26 2004, 01:31 PM
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i dont like science, and how are u going to use info like "y jupitor is big"
in everyday life?
 
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You wouldn't need to use it, but you would still know that it exist. It's knowledge, you decide how to use it.

You don't like it, but if everyone agrees that he/she doesn't like science, and no one wants to learn, do you think America would be as advance as it is today?
 
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I say we should.
Let the people who don't want to learn science, not learn science. ( make any sense? )
Hell, it'd be easier for me to go to college...
I'll know physics, chemistry, and bio.
They'll know... uhhmm..

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QUOTE(chinkieeyedpnoi @ May 26 2004, 4:30 PM)
I say we should.
Let the people who don't want to learn science, not learn science. ( make any sense? )
Hell, it'd be easier for me to go to college...
I'll know physics, chemistry, and bio.
They'll know... uhhmm..

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I would agree with you if it weren't for the fact that we all benefit from well-educated people in our societies.

It would be much easier to go to college, I mean there would be not much of a competition. But that kind of system wouldn't be much of a challenge.
 
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post May 26 2004, 06:20 PM
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QUOTE(chinkieeyedpnoi @ May 26 2004, 5:30 PM)
I say we should.
Let the people who don't want to learn science, not learn science. ( make any sense? )
Hell, it'd be easier for me to go to college...
I'll know physics, chemistry, and bio.
They'll know... uhhmm..

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

I agree with ya totally if ya dont want to learn it then sleep during that class then you'll be rested for a class you like...

Oh and My major is Science Tech.

Earth Science
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post May 26 2004, 07:21 PM
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so every college students take science wen they go to college?!?! ...... i didnt knoe that... hm... but it still shud be option even in college... i mean some ppls are gona be a child take care.... and they shud learn science? i mean they will forget about it... all parents forget about wat they learn and some parents remember some...so yeah... i knoe science is reallie important for everyone to learn, but... still... there are ppls who doesnt want to take science... it's like a waste of time for them...
 
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QUOTE(anqel_r0h @ May 26 2004, 7:14 AM)
i get so stressed with all these stuff..y cant we have an optional rather or not we wana do it... i knoe it's important for everyone to know...but still... they can figure it from the news... i dont know...but i kinda like science, but the thing is that y shud take science? dont u guys got an arguments? shud science be optional at the year of 2010? or shud science shud be taken by every students in skool at the year of 2010? mostly 30 to 40 of my friends are talking about it too... and thot this was a good argument heh cus my friends and i are doing an argument about science^^

of course we should take science! it is important to most jobs and the basic understanding of science is needed for even the simplest things as cooking meals!
 
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post May 26 2004, 08:35 PM
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A particle has a constant acceleration of +.5 meters per second squared and is travelling along the x-axis with original point of x=0. Find the position of hte particle at time = 10 seconds. Also, explain what this has to do with cooking meals.
 
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QUOTE(anqel_r0h @ May 26 2004, 7:21 PM)
so every college students take science wen they go to college?!?! ...... i didnt knoe that... hm... but it still shud be option even in college... i mean some ppls are gona be a child take care.... and they shud learn science? i mean they will forget about it... all parents forget about wat they learn and some parents remember some...so yeah... i knoe science is reallie important for everyone to learn, but... still... there are ppls who doesnt want to take science... it's like a waste of time for them...

science is a core requirement in almost every single college, and certainly is a requirement in ALL major universities.

It's a roundabout knowledge that everyone should know a bit about. It would be kind of disconcerting when someone makes a joke relating science and everyone else is laughing while you're looking clueless? I've been in that situation with a math joke.
 
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Well, about the news thing, not everyone learns the news. Science is very important to us, because without it being required, there's really no way to learn about nature and so on.
Plus, they need to fill up our schedule. wink.gif
 
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QUOTE(anqel_r0h @ May 26 2004, 8:21 PM)
so every college students take science wen they go to college?!?! ...... i didnt knoe that... hm... but it still shud be option even in college... i mean some ppls are gona be a child take care.... and they shud learn science? i mean they will forget about it... all parents forget about wat they learn and some parents remember some...so yeah... i knoe science is reallie important for everyone to learn, but... still... there are ppls who doesnt want to take science... it's like a waste of time for them...

Im not a College student im still a junior in high school but those are the Science and tech classes i have under my belt so far...

Oh and everyone was joking bout how you would use science everyday in life...you do...you look at your Calendar at school or work....which is based on the rotations of the moon, Earth and Sun around the Earth....you go see firework shows and see green because there is copper in them....you have a basic knoledge of physics around you because well you dont fall and you understand how to balance......you use science everyday you just dont realize it....no not all of it is important....but ya kno if it wasnt for at least a bio class...then well you wouldnt understand how your body works...or how a plant grows...and what makes everything live on the earth and how the sun is the ultimate energy source for all living organisms on this planet.....just think bout it through your day and you'll see how much science you really do use.
 
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 26 2004, 9:08 PM)
science is a core requirement in almost every single college, and certainly is a requirement in ALL major universities.

It's a roundabout knowledge that everyone should know a bit about. It would be kind of disconcerting when someone makes a joke relating science and everyone else is laughing while you're looking clueless? I've been in that situation with a math joke.

Nope. Brown Univerisity, an IVY LEAGUE SCHOOL, does not require Science in its core curriculum.
 
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post May 27 2004, 08:17 AM
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If science is made optional, shouldn't EVERY subject be optional?
 
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QUOTE(tkproduce @ May 27 2004, 8:17 AM)
If science is made optional, shouldn't EVERY subject be optional?

LOL...well with the way some people talk, I'm beginning to think English class is optional too biggrin.gif
 
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QUOTE(ComradeRed @ May 27 2004, 7:45 AM)
Nope. Brown Univerisity, an IVY LEAGUE SCHOOL, does not require Science in its core curriculum.

Well, I'm surprised. With their medical program as one of the strongest emphasis in the University, and they do not require science? Interesting.

I don't know though, if I happen to go to that school, and not take science at all while everyone else does even though it is optional... hehe, I would consider myself to be one of the most ignorant people.
 
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Well in England, when you're in the last two years of high school, you can take just 4 subjects of your choice. I take mathematics, further mathematics, physics and chemistry. Other people take things like English, economics, French, Spanish, geography, biology, politics, etc. - basically any four they like out of a range of subjects.
 
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Well, I'm surprised. With their medical program as one of the strongest emphasis in the University, and they do not require science? Interesting.

I don't know though, if I happen to go to that school, and not take science at all while everyone else does even though it is optional... hehe, I would consider myself to be one of the most ignorant people.

The great thing about Brown is that they don't HAVE A CORE CURRICULUM. lol, you can take whatever you want (based on major).
 
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LOL...well with the way some people talk, I'm beginning to think English class is optional too 


My english sucks....but then again i dont speak english...i speak american Damn...if i wanted to speak english i would move to England
 
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Science really contradicts some religions and I think that's a good thing because where would the world be today if religion dominated everything? O_O
 
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i can tell you exactly where we would be.....you remember that time before the Renaissance....the Dark ages it was called that because there was no scientific advancement during that time.....or at least not much...that was because the Monarchs(Kings) where always controlled by the Roman Catholic Church and nething Secular was forbidden....when someone finally moved against the the church that was when the Renaissance Age began...or Age of Enlightenment....this was because Art and Science became extremely important and everyone began to question the power of the church....it was that time period that you countrys founding fathers looked at and decided that the Church and State needed to be separate so prevent other Dark Age like effects......so when i think of what it would be like if religion dominated everything...i get scared because the Religion is nothing bout Organized brainwashing.....sorta like school but of the Governments benefit.....
 
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I think science shouldn't be optional. It's important for us to have the basic knowledge of us because we would possibly use it in the future. If it was optional, there would probably not be any doctors or scientists (i'm being vague, but ya get the point). So yeah...
 
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there are core subjects that everyone should take, that's kind of the whole point of mandatory schooling. like if science wasn't mandatory, then english and math wouldn't be...and everyone would be stupid and illiterate
 
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if you didn't have science our country would be more stupid than we already are.
 
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I think science should be a requirement because if you aren't exposed to it fully then you won't really know what's going on. The news doesn't cover the topics extensively and most of the time the media shows you only what they want to show you. However, the kinds of science classes you can take should be optional. There are many different sciences in my school and you can pick the one you think would be best for you. I'm sorry, but i don't think you should leave out such an important subject.
 
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hmp. at MY skool, we HAVE to have 4 years of bible to graduate frm that highskool.
dont get me wrong.. im a christian, but REQUIRING 4 years of bible to graduate?? psh. ure lucky. >=/
 
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is this yet another excuse to cut back on school hours... i think keep science... i think it's important to learn about how everything works and such... this is sorta like if phys ed should be optional
 
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with science, we can learn more about the world around us; maybe we're capturing the next einstein's interest with our science books, who knows, right?


anyway, it's everything around us, and the basic base for our learning...


kinda.


basically, without it, we wouldn't be able to continue on our technology or take control of the things we do, like genetics and cloning. jobs ranging in the science field would decrease..much, if students don't take science classes now; technology as we know it could go byebye...we could be ruining the world and ecosystems but still be making it a better place and cleaning it up for the better, you know?
 
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Science and Math both relate to each other closely don't they? So I guess I'd rather like it if Science was required. Now if all subjects were optional, we'd have a 75% dumb world. Because not that many people want to take math and science. They'd all take Gym, or English or something like that. So yes, science should be required in the school cirriculum.
 
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no, science should not be optional. its as important as math and readin. if u r able 2 hav options on science, then ppl would want options on math and readin too
 
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I believe science in the curriculim should be compulsory since, of course, learning science in high school and college provide the basics on the understanding of the world we are exposed to.
 

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