animal rights Options

[likeachild]

should animals be used in experiments?

[rivendell]

NO NO NO NO NO.

Animal testing is horrible, and should be stopped. Why do scientists have to test the effects of nicotine and caffine on animals when we already know their effect on humans?

Why do we need to extract pre-natal kittens from their mother, inject their spinal cord with a chemical and replace them in their mother's womb, only to kill them when they're born to see the effects of the chemical on their natal growth? Why should rabbits have sections of their fur shaved off and their skin scouraged so they can test chemicals, nail polish remover, or cosmetics on their flesh?

Animal testing is cruel.

[likeachild]

i love animals

but then people will argue "what do we test things on"??
if we can't use animals what do we test our drugs and stuff on?

[likeachild]

i have to debate this topic at skool

[rivendell]

Alot of animal testing has to do with its effects on human skin. We already know that we can grow human skin in a lab setting, so why not grow some skin grafts and test on those?

[Jiggapin0]

Well, I don't know this for sure. I bet many of us have used animal-tested products w/out knowing it.

[rivendell]

Well, I don't know this for sure. I bet many of us have used animal-tested products w/out knowing it.

You'd better believe it. Want to see? Here's PETAs compiled list of companies that test on animals:

Allergan, Inc.
Arm & Hammer (Church & Dwight)
Bausch & Lomb (Curél, Soft Sense, Clear Choice)
Benckiser (Coty, Lancaster, Jovan)
Block Drug Co., Inc. (Polident, Sensodyne, Tegrin, Lava, Carpet Fresh)
Boyle-Midway (Reckitt & Colman)
Bristol-Myers Squibb Co. (Clairol, Ban Roll-On, Keri, Final Net)
Calvin Klein Cosmetics, (A division of Unilever)
Carter-Wallace (Arrid, Lady's Choice, Nair, Pearl Drops)
Chesebrough-Ponds (Fabergé, Cutex, Vaseline)
Clorox (Pine-Sol, S.O.S., Tilex, ArmorAll)
Cover Girl (Procter & Gamble)
Dana Perfumes (Alyssa Ashley)
Del Laboratories (Flame Glow, Commerce Drug, Sally Hansen)
Dial Corporation (Purex, Renuzit)
DowBrands (Glass Plus, Fantastik, Vivid)
Elizabeth Arden, Inc. (A division of Unilever)
Helene Curtis Industries (Finesse, Unilever, Suave)
Jhirmack (Playtex)
Johnson & Johnson
Kimberly-Clark Corp. (Kleenex, Scott Paper, Huggies)
Max Factor (Procter & Gamble)
Olay Co./Oil of Olay (Procter & Gamble)
Pfizer, Inc. (Bain de Soleil, Plax, Visine, Desitin, BenGay)
Playtex Products, Inc. (Banana Boat, Woolite, Jhirmack)
Reckitt & Colman (Lysol, Mop & Glo)
Richardson-Vicks (Procter & Gamble)
Sanofi (Yves Saint Laurent)
Schering-Plough (Coppertone)
Schick (Warner-Lambert)
S. C. Johnson Wax (Pledge, Drano, Windex, Glade)
SoftSoap Enterprises (Colgate-Palmolive)
Vidal Sassoon (Procter & Gamble)
Warner-Lambert (Lubriderm, Listerine, Schick)
Westwood Pharmaceutical

[tkproduce]

Yes, animal testing has saved millions of humans lives as it has helped medical advances. I cannot think up of a specific example, but I'm sure it has. I think the reason why people find it "cruel" is because they don't like the idea of cute furry little creatures getiing harmed. I'm sure no one would complain if insects were used for tests 'cause they're ugly little things. But what's the difference? They're both living things aren't they?

[AmesBond]

Animal testing is indeed cruel. Oh, I can't imagine the pain they must suffer from all this.

[likeachild]

i know it is really cruel

you dont want to know what vivisection is

[rivendell]

Oh .... I do. I wrote a 15 page paper on it last year for my freshman composition class. It sucks.

[WildGriffin]

A monkey with lipstick on makes me laugh.

And animal testing isn't only done with cosmetics, they also use them for lots and lots of medicines. Skin grafts can't give you medical information when dealing with the mind and such.

And PETA is a terrorist faction.....creating all that civil disrest and "awareness". They're just plain old evil-do'ers

[EmeraldKnight]

I'm against this whole animal testing thing as well.. but I'll argue the other side (and bs considering I know nothing about the topic) just for fun and practice

Alright, for those of you against animal testing, how else would we make sure a new vaccine or procedure or something is effective?

[onenonly101]

I'm for animal testing for certain things i.e. cancer drugs and thing that will be helping our society, but not for vain things

[rivendell]

I'm against this whole animal testing thing as well.. but I'll argue the other side (and bs considering I know nothing about the topic) just for fun and practice

Alright, for those of you against animal testing, how else would we make sure a new vaccine or procedure or something is effective?

An animal's system is not exactly like ours.

I dont see how injecting something into a cat or a pig is going to help us understand how it would react in our own systems.

[EmeraldKnight]

An animal's system is not exactly like ours.

I dont see how injecting something into a cat or a pig is going to help us understand how it would react in our own systems.

Its not exactly like ours, but some are very similar

[onenonly101]

exactly only 2 chromosomes make us different from some animals

[stryker76]

exactly only 2 chromosomes make us different from some animals

Monkeys.....well...Chimps, Orangatang(sp), and Gorillas

But i think that it has to be done....people may not like it...but i mean if it wasnt for animal testing then we wouldnt kno as much as we do about animals and how they react to different things

[strice]

with advances in genetics, it really isn't that necessary to test on animals. grow some human tissue and test on that. the only problem is cost.

[cornflakes]

Animal testing is cruel.

[tkproduce]

Most people that argue for things like the war in Iraq and the death penalty (about how some innocent people get convicted), use the following argument: "We must sacrifice for the welfare of others". So if that's true, then surely the sacrifice of a few animals to save thousands of human lives isn't a bad thing at all.

[angel-roh]

i dont knoe but umm... all i can say is sad that the animals die..-_-;; they might have a family too...sniff it's like taking someone and killing them

[rivendell]

exactly only 2 chromosomes make us different from some animals

Then why are we using animals that arent similiar to us in some tests, like rabbits, pigs, dogs and cats?

But i think that it has to be done....people may not like it...but i mean if it wasnt for animal testing then we wouldnt kno as much as we do about animals and how they react to different things

Why do we need to know what the effects of nicotine or caffiene are on animals? I don't see any cats smoking a marboro or a rabbit with a coffee running around.

[LiNHy POO]

noooo!!! why would you want to test on animals? animals and humans are different... if you wanted to test... test on a HUMAN!

[onenonly101]

i dont knoe but umm... all i can say is sad that the animals die..-_-;; they might have a family too...sniff  it's like taking someone and killing them

it is not the same thing at all. Animals are not people. I really don't care for animals i mean if someone tortured them then i would get upset or somthing because that isn't right but anything i don't care

Then why are we using animals that arent similiar to us in some tests, like rabbits, pigs, dogs and cats

rabbits are similar to us. they have 44 chromosomes

[EmeraldKnight]

Then why are we using animals that arent similiar to us in some tests, like rabbits, pigs, dogs and cats?

Pigs ARE similar to us, pig organs are sometimes used in organ transplants because they're so similar

noooo!!! why would you want to test on animals? animals and humans are different... if you wanted to test... test on a HUMAN!

That would be the more.. moral approach I guess.. but realistically, its just not feasible because few, if any human would willingly volunteer for some untested product they might die testing

[phatty]

unseen they suffer
unheard they cry
in agony they linger
in loneliness they die

stop animal testing

[EmeraldKnight]

unseen they suffer
unheard they cry
in agony they linger
in loneliness they die

I know its not very moral you could say, but what else can we do?

Read my post above

[onenonly101]

I know its not very moral you could say, but what else can we do?

I completely agree.

On one hand it is animals dying on the other hand it is finding cures for cancer and other diseases. i think people out weigh animals

[EmeraldKnight]

On one hand it is animals dying on the other hand it is finding cures for cancer and other diseases. i think people out weigh animals

Yes, its kinda like survival of the fittest, in order for our species to survive and combat these illnesses, other species must die, heartless I know, but its reality

[tkproduce]

unseen they suffer
unheard they cry
in agony they linger
in loneliness they die

stop animal testing

people that protest against animal testing always seem to use pictures of cute furry little animals. I think that's to get false sympathy.

[ComradeRed]

What about big scary ones? My hunting dog that can tear you to shreds in minutes is an animal just like that cute little abandoned cat on the corner.

[tkproduce]

What about big scary ones? My hunting dog that can tear you to shreds in minutes is an animal just like that cute little abandoned cat on the corner.

Is that question directed at me? What I'm saying is, why don't they use pictures of big scary animals or dirty ugly ones to promote animal rights? - it's because people won't feel as much sympathy for those kind of animals being mistreated. That's reality.

[ComradeRed]

Is that question directed at me? What I'm saying is, why don't they use pictures of big scary animals or dirty ugly ones to promote animal rights? - it's because people won't feel as much sympathy for those kind of animals being mistreated. That's reality.

But I like my scary hunting dog.

[tkproduce]

But I like my scary hunting dog.

but would you like some one else's scary hunting dog? Damn, I'm going way off topic...

[ComradeRed]

but would you like some one else's scary hunting dog? Damn, I'm going way off topic...

Comrade Red's Hunting Rule #1: Dog good, Kalashnikov better .

[dani41790]

i dont think that animals should b experimented on b cuz its animal cruelty which is wrong, instead they should probably use these one substitutions (i forgot wat its called) that has human skin cells in it n will react to chemicals like human skin realli does.

[EmeraldKnight]

i dont think that animals should b experimented on b cuz its animal cruelty which is wrong, instead they should probably use these one substitutions (i forgot wat its called) that has human skin cells in it n will react to chemicals like human skin realli does. 

but what if we're testing other treatments? things not just pertaining to the skin? then what?

and Minda.. what was that whole episode with the hunting dog?

[likeachild]

Most people that argue for things like the war in Iraq and the death penalty (about how some innocent people get convicted), use the following argument: "We must sacrifice for the welfare of others". So if that's true, then surely the sacrifice of a few animals to save thousands of human lives isn't a bad thing at all.

a few?
millions would be a better number

---

support your opinion with facts or resonable arguments

[ComradeRed]

but what if we're testing other treatments? things not just pertaining to the skin? then what?

and Minda.. what was that whole episode with the hunting dog?

I said that I'd choose a Kalashnikov over a hunting dog any day.

Mikhail Kalashnikov is the designer of the AK-47, AKM, and AK-74, among other things. I just like saying "Kalashnikov" better than "AK".

[Spirited Away]

It's cruel alright, to use animals for expiriments. However, to see humans suffer because we cannot find test subjects for treatments is a bit crueler.

If a death of an animal can go towards betterment for science of health, then I suppose it's worth the sacrifice.

BUT, there are disturbing people who would very much like to see animals suffer. I've read articles about people who eat monkey brains while they are alive! Now that's cruelty.

[FlyingFries]

no, if they need to experiment with the product then find some other way.....how would u like pple comin to ur home, yankin you out of bed and put experamental stuff on to you???

[Spirited Away]

no, if they need to experiment with the product then find some other way.....how would u like pple comin to ur home, yankin you out of bed and put experamental stuff on to you???

What if it's not 'products' but on a drug that could be the cure for aids or cancer?

[ComradeRed]

it is not the same thing at all. Animals are not people. I really don't care for animals i mean if someone tortured them then i would get upset or somthing because that isn't right but anything i don't care



rabbits are similar to us. they have 44 chromosomes

We have 46...

[Spirited Away]

it is not the same thing at all. Animals are not people. I really don't care for animals i mean if someone tortured them then i would get upset or somthing because that isn't right but anything i don't care

IMHO, that kind of view on animals is too extreme in the sense that you do not consider that animals can feel pain and suffer as humans do.

In fact, many animals have maternal love that most human mothers pale in comparision. They can cry, they can certainly feel.

[WildGriffin]

We're the alpha species. Better to test on some animal then some human.

[Spirited Away]

We're the alpha species. Better to test on some animal then some human.

I agree, but these tests must serve a purpose that's worthy of the life of an animal.

[WildGriffin]

I agree, but these tests must serve a purpose that's worthy of the life of an animal.

Alright, lets take a rat who's born and kept only to be tested on. What's it's life worth to you?

[Spirited Away]

Alright, lets take a rat who's born and kept only to be tested on. What's it's life worth to you?

Each life has its own worth.

That rat that's being tested on may turned out to be the one rat that will carry the cure to whatever sickness that's being studied.

That rat's life will worth the lives that will be saved. After all, if it weren't for that rat, all those 'saved' people wouldn't stand a chance.

Now that is a little extreme, but life shouldn't be taken lightly.

[JlIaTMK]

NO NO NO NO

thats torture.... wat if it would be humans that r tested on.... have u seen any animal testing pictures.... its horrible my friend did their research project on it and its not a good thing to see

[ComradeRed]

I've disseceted animals before; you'll get used to it.

[Mini]

Each life has its own worth.

That rat that's being tested on may turned out to be the one rat that will carry the cure to whatever sickness that's being studied.

That rat's life will worth the lives that will be saved. After all, if it weren't for that rat, all those 'saved' people wouldn't stand a chance.

Now that is a little extreme, but life shouldn't be taken lightly.

i agree. testing it on animals isnt really horrible as long as there is limits. dont just abuse the testing. the test should have a purpose too.

[ComradeRed]

I love cruelty towards animals. It's quite fun.

[Mr. Psychotic]

SAVE THE ANIMALS!!!!

EAT THE PEOPLE!!!!

[Mini]

I love cruelty towards animals. It's quite fun.

im only cruel to insects and spiders. i like taking their legs apart. torturing them, it is fun. once i drowned 200 cicadas in HOT water. hahaha they died instantly. also i breed some cockcroaches and killed them and their babies and watch them living for more than a week without air and without a head. torturing animals isnt fun, but torturing BUGS is FUN. BUWAHHAHA. im quite sadistical towards bugs.

[onenonly101]

We have 46...

yeah and i was saying that only 2 chromosomes separate us

[stryker76]

Hmmmmm animals caught then tested on NO....but if an animal was raised for it...well then i dunno...i mean i dont like it but would you rather it be tested on say your kids or siblings, parents, granddparents or ne one in your family.....think bout it survival of the fittest......

But for Cats......TEST AWAY.....i say use them as crash test dummys for nething and everything...like MOBILE TNT......i hate cats

[abercrombiekid]

i think animal experiments are okay. animals are animals. we use them to better human life. i dont see anything wrong.

[*kryogenix*]

I hate PETA. They support terrorism. They give money to terrorists.

[Spirited Away]

I hate PETA. They support terrorism. They give money to terrorists.

I did not know that.

Anyway, I like PETA only because they have good intentions towards animals. But I think they're too extreme... A little TOO MUCH or extreme amount of anything is bad.

[EmeraldKnight]

i think animal experiments are okay. animals are animals. we use them to better human life. i dont see anything wrong.

Its a valid point.. I'm just not happy with the "animals are animals" statement.. WE, as humans are animals..

And.. speaking from a Darwin point of view.. animal testing would be alright.. because its survival of the fittest.. those animals die to better our lives.. (cruel but sad truth of nature)

[sadolakced acid]

there are a couple misconceptions about animal testing:


1. misconception: that animals are different from humans in every way such that we can't learn from them.
truth: mice have similar nervous systems, primates are very similar. we have been able to infect chimpanzees with HIV. notice the Human in the Human immunodeficency virus. we can learn a lot from animals.

2. myth: animals are tested for things that we already know about, like caffine and other drugs.
truth: most of the time animal testing is for new combinations, or for treatments. or for studies that would be unethical on humans.

like, how would you study what caffine during pregnacy affects a fetus with humans? go get whores and get the pregnat and feed the caffine and another group none and then abort the babies when you're done?

you have to use animals.

3. myth: animals are mistreated.
fact: they can be, if they are completely privately operated. but if they have government funding, they have to follow strict regulations.

animals must be given: proper air conditioning, adequet room for movement, ventilation, adequete food and water (unless the expirement deals with it). they must not be mistreated or abused.

the government has agencys that drop in to labs and checks. without telling them when they'll be there.




yes, the cosmetic industry does give a bad name to animal testing.

but it's necicary.

point in case: fountain of youth mascara (not sure if the name is correct. but it really happened)
this product was not animal tested.

it was sold, and thousands of people used it. till they felt the burning.

if you got a tiny bit of it in your eyes, it would burn. some 500+ people eventually went blind.

[sadolakced acid]

no rebuttals?

[Spirited Away]

no rebuttals?

I agree that animal testing is an integral part of science and medicine and I'm sure others realize that as well.

For the most part, I'm more concerned with how these animals are treated and how the testing process is done.

[saintsaens]

For every animal you save, I'm going to eat 3.

[EmeraldKnight]

For every animal you save, I'm going to eat 3. 

I certainly hope you're kidding about that..

[saintsaens]

Bring 'em all, pandas, zebras, monkeys, I'll eat 'em all.

[EmeraldKnight]

Bring 'em all, pandas, zebras, monkeys, I'll eat 'em all.

... no comment.. anyone have anything constructive to bring to this debate? i think this one's pretty much done..

[greeneggs]

[FONT=Arial] its sad =/ how would you feel if someone uses stuff on u? not good at all.

[ppl_love_me]

Honestly I think rats r the best to use, but i agree, They should b treated well and they need to be treated if something goes wrong.

[Spirited Away]

[FONT=Arial]  its sad =/ how would you feel if someone uses stuff on u? not good at all. 

and how would you feel if you have no medicine for your illness because everything is in "testing" stage? (it would take forever to find a cure if there wasn't a test subject).

Have you consider looking on at all point of views?

[EmeraldKnight]

Honestly I think rats r the best to use, but i agree, They should b treated well and they need to be treated if something goes wrong

But rats arent good test subjects for some things because they're not very similar to us

[saintsaens]

But rats arent good test subjects for some things because they're not very similar to us

Actually they are. Obviously thats why humans use them for studying. Bring on the zebras. I'll eat it in 10 minutes.

[nas]

no, if they need to experiment with the product then find some other way.....how would u like pple comin to ur home, yankin you out of bed and put experamental stuff on to you???

that made me laugh. That's why we do it to animals, so they don't do it to us.

  For every animal you save, I'm going to eat 3.

=D

[EmeraldKnight]

Wait.. so for every one saved, AntiAnodyne eats 3, and for everyone they dont eat.. nas eats another 3.. yeah.. mass extinction right there..

lol.

[sadolakced acid]

rats are very similar to humans. i dissected one, and we didn't have a rat model so we used the human one. everything is in the same place, except the gall blader, which they don't have.

mice have nervous systems very similar to humans. they get parkinsans, huntingtons, and other genetic nervous disorders.

the point is (for med, there are lives that can be saved, but to make sure that we're saving them and not killing them, we have to test the product on animals.

for cosmetics, its so the users don't get hurt. every cosmetic's ingredients have been tested on animals. the ones that say not tested on animals just uses ingredients already found safe. through animal testing.

[EmeraldKnight]

The med use is unavoidable and very legitimate.. as for cosmetics..

for cosmetics, its so the users don't get hurt. every cosmetic's ingredients have been tested on animals. the ones that say not tested on animals just uses ingredients already found safe. through animal testing. 

Ok, I believe in Darwinism and survival of the fittest and all... but do we realli need to take the lives of animals to further erm.. what's a good word.. glorify ourselves with cosmetics?

[inthemudhole]

should animals be used in experiments?

Hell, no.
I think animals are about as equal as humans are.
They breathe, sleep, and have their own purpose on this earth.
I think they deserve to live, and I don't think you should take an innocent animal and then just start conducting experiments on it.

How would you like it..?.. your life where your only purpose is to provide results to snooty scientists who only care about making money..

That'd suck..

[sadolakced acid]

for all those who are against animal testing, particularily by the cosmetic industry, i have something for you.

an eyedrop- never tested on animals!! no animals harmed.

oops. how was i supposed to know that acid(just example, put some weird new chemical here) wasn't a moisturizer? hmm... i could have found out if i had used animal subjects, but last year, PETA (the terrorist group) bombed my laborotory and killed a scientist. so now i don't use animal testing.

so you're all dead and the animals are alive. and i'm laughing. survival of the fittest.

ANIMAL TESTING IS WRONG. THE ANIMALS GET NERVOUS AND GIVE ALL THE WRONG ANSWERS.

it's either you or the animals that are going to be the geuinia pigs for new cosmetics, medicines, exc.

so, who's going to live?

you or the animals?

P.S.
it story with the lab is fictional. the point of that was to show you that people get hurt when things aren't tested on animals.

[x hYpErRoSeY x]

NO, NO and lets c- um.. NO!

[Spirited Away]

NO, NO and lets c- um.. NO!

How about:

DO RESEARCH, DO RESEARCH and lets c- um... DO RESEARCH!

[EmeraldKnight]

How about:

DO RESEARCH, DO RESEARCH and lets c- um... DO RESEARCH! 

Haha, too lazy

And besides.. it looks like you've pretty much sealed this one.. I'm afraid of debating against you on this

[Spirited Away]

Haha, too lazy 

And besides.. it looks like you've pretty much sealed this one.. I'm afraid of debating against you on this 

I'm not arguing. Heck, I can't even pick a side. Trust me when I say that I love animals, but I love humanity as well. It's just that I don't like people to jumping to conclusions because of their sentiments. I'm guilty of that... but at least I limit myself.

[EmeraldKnight]

I'm not arguing. Heck, I can't even pick a side. Trust me when I say that I love animals, but I love humanity as well. It's just that I don't like people to jumping to conclusions because of their sentiments. I'm guilty of that... but at least I limit myself.

Haha I can't pick on many of these topics either.. I just see what people are arguing for and try to improv the other side

[kyuubi319]

for the most part, no. i loveee animals, ive got a hecka lotta pets, but then what do we test on, do you really wanna risk the life or well being of a human, just because you dont want to hurt an animal? I don't think thats right either, so i suppose it depends on your situation

[Spirited Away]

for the most part, no. i loveee animals, ive got a hecka lotta pets, but then what do we test on, do you really wanna risk the life or well being of a human, just because you dont want to hurt an animal? I don't think thats right either, so i suppose it depends on your situation

Right On!

Haha I can't pick on many of these topics either.. I just see what people are arguing for and try to improv the other side

Ah, that's too hard... I can't argue for something I don't agree with.

[EmeraldKnight]

Ah, that's too hard... I can't argue for something I don't agree with.

I do it poorly

for the most part, no. i loveee animals, ive got a hecka lotta pets, but then what do we test on, do you really wanna risk the life or well being of a human, just because you dont want to hurt an animal? I don't think thats right either, so i suppose it depends on your situation

And yes, its our sympathy that makes us care for these animals.. but sympathy is often overridden when you're threatened with a grave illness.. natural survival instincts start to kick in there

[LJrules]

i'm an animal luver. animals have as much right to live on this planet as us. why the hell are we treating them like this?! why is it ok to experiment with rabbits and mice?? why not lawyers n politicians??

[Spirited Away]

i'm an animal luver. animals have as much right to live on this planet as us. why the hell are we treating them like this?! why is it ok to experiment with rabbits and mice?? why not lawyers n politicians??

Please refer to previous posts for your answer, thanks.

[Mourn4u]

i think in some ways yes. b/c they cant test on humans then animals are the next best thing. dont get me wrong i luv animals, i have two dogs and a bird who i luv dearly but sum things have to be sacrifice for the better of others.

[EmeraldKnight]

i think in some ways yes. b/c they cant test on humans then animals are the next best thing. dont get me wrong i luv animals, i have two dogs and a bird who i luv dearly but sum things have to be sacrifice for the better of others.

Exactly.. the last statement "sum things have to be sacrificed for the [welfare] of others"

Its survival of the fittest.. their lives or ours.. take your pick.

[sadolakced acid]

personally, i think it would be fun to deprive a PETA fanatic from all animal tested products.

they wouldn't be able to use the microwave, cell phones, TVs, bandages, antibiotics, any soap (except lye), any cosmetics (even those said not tested on animals, because it's just tested in parts), any medical technology.

it'd be fun to see how long they live.

[rnrn897]

well, wtf.. are we gonna test it on humans? would YOU volunteer? :T

Animal testing is horrible, and should be stopped. Why do scientists have to test the effects of nicotine and caffine on animals when we already know their effect on humans?

Why do we need to extract pre-natal kittens from their mother, inject their spinal cord with a chemical and replace them in their mother's womb, only to kill them when they're born to see the effects of the chemical on their natal growth? Why should rabbits have sections of their fur shaved off and their skin scouraged so they can test chemicals, nail polish remover, or cosmetics on their flesh?

Animal testing is cruel

...there ar eother useful stuffs..

[sadolakced acid]

one thing people tout as a replacemet to animal testing is in vitro testing

the problem is you need a living system. in vitro testing is just in the enviromet you create in te test tube.

there is only one way to test on a living system. that is to test on something alive. and that's either a human or an animal.

[EmeraldKnight]

one thing people tout as a replacemet to animal testing is in vitro testing

the problem is you need a living system. in vitro testing is just in the enviromet you create in te test tube.

there is only one way to test on a living system. that is to test on something alive. and that's either a human or an animal.

Erm.. can you explain in vitro in more detail?

[sadolakced acid]

in vitro means under glass

in vitro testing is testing in a test tube, petri dish, or other laboratory controled environment,

however, this is not a living system so that it cannot be used in place of a living system, I.E. an animal.

[EmeraldKnight]

however, this is not a living system so that it cannot be used in place of a living system, I.E. an animal.

Exactly.. so how does that solve the problem?

[sadolakced acid]

it doesn't. my point was that there is no substitute to using live animals.

[EmeraldKnight]

it doesn't. my point was that there is no substitute to using live animals. 

Oh.. gotcha

[juliar]

Animal testing is like saying, oh, ill shave and cut a mouse's or rabbit's skin to try some detergent. or force open a rabbits eye wth no tearducts to ease the pain, immobolize them, and kill them to test some household cleaning element.