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The whole school year I've been preparing for the AP Test, and now that it's nearly here, I know I'm not going to sleep very much.
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nicorie ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 196 Joined: Apr 2006 Member No: 394,679 ![]() |
well kinda... i have 4: computer science, calculus, physics, us history. i think the only two i'm worried about are history and calc. i slacked off in calc. and i'm not good with remembering things 4 history. to add with all the stress with the ap tests.. i have SATs next saturday and my girl broke up with me sunday. so yea... it sucks right now and i've been having those sleepless nights
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I have AP language on Monday and US history Friday, I think. In language, if all goes well, I think I should get a 4, but perhaps I shouldn't jump to conclusions by the practice tests. History is a bit more concerneind. SO MUCH INFORMATION! I've been studying for a couple of weeks, but it feels like I'm getting nowhere. I haven't even touched on last semester yet, either...arghh. (Also, why do they have to start so f**king early? I have to be somewhere half an hour away by 7:00AM!!)
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![]() yan lin♥ ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 14,129 Joined: Apr 2004 Member No: 13,627 ![]() |
^I have language on Monday too. Then I have AP Lit on Thursday, and then AP Psych late testing on the 17th. Frankly, I'm not really nervous because 1) I'm going to college and I don't really care and 2) I've taken AP/IB Exams before, and they're really not that bad.
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I'm getting a little stressed, I'm sure I'll be okay though.. I've been through 5 others, 5 more can't hurt. Prom is the weekend between AP weeks, though, so I'm kind of dividing my energies between that and studying. =)
The only one I'm really worried about is microeconomics, I might not do well on that since I haven't actually taken the class. I guess I used to only take APs just cause I was in the AP class and everyone else was doing it.. now it's to max out my college credits. yesssss. Except there's more stress on me for the latter reason.. |
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![]() hi. call me linda. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Official Member Posts: 8,187 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 3,475 ![]() |
I just have calculus on the 17th. I'm kidna stressed but not really because I'm a senior but then I want to do well so I can get credit for it and exempt out of some classes.
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All I have is AP calc this coming Wednesday and in reality it doesn't realllly matter but I do want to do well since I'm paying for it and cause I did take the course and all...sigh. =p
I'm stressed about it to say the least. |
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ive had all ap since freshman year and ive always had to pull an all-nighter to make A's on those things
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Wait a second.
1. You don't make As on AP tests 2. I don't think there's any way to take all APs since freshman year since there's just not that many AP classes |
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![]() They call me... St.Jimmy ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 184 Joined: Apr 2006 Member No: 393,546 ![]() |
there are at lovett
there are AP classes every year and at lovett we have 3 tests in AP classes which u get A's in and then the final which u also get a letter grade i dunno maybe my school is just screwd |
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MUST STUDY FOR AP US HISTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yep, I'm feeling it |
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there are at lovett there are AP classes every year and at lovett we have 3 tests in AP classes which u get A's in and then the final which u also get a letter grade i dunno maybe my school is just screwd You can get an A in the class, but not on the actual AP test. There's AP tests for these classes: Art History Biology Calculus AB Calculus BC Chemistry Chinese Language and Culture Computer Science A Computer Science AB Economics: Macro Economics: Micro English Language and Composition English Literature and Composition Environmental Science European History French Language French Literature German Language Government and Politics: Comparative Government and Politics: United States Human Geography Italian Language and Culture Japanese Language and Culture Latin Literature Latin: Vergil Music Theory Physics B Physics C: Electricity and Magnetism Physics C: Mechanics Psychology Russian Language and Culture Spanish Language Spanish Literature Statistics Studio Art: 2-D Design Studio Art: 3-D Design Studio Art: Drawing United States History World History So even if your school actually offered all those classes (which isn't likely) there's just about no way that they could make up a 4 year curriculum. Whatever. What do I know? |
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 979 Joined: Aug 2005 Member No: 205,020 ![]() |
all AP since freshman year? hahah AP gym? roffle. oh yes, i can see it now. 'calculate the angle at which you kick the soccer ball, paying attention to wind resistance' oh baby.
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Barrons is so boring -_-, use Princeton, everyone.
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You don't get grade letters for AP tests. You could get As in an AP CLASS, but not the test. The score is from 1-5.
Also, There is no such thing as AP Algebra II. |
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some schools may use the AP designation indescriminately, and apply it to classes that other schools designate as "advanced" or "honors"
but anyways. here's how to tell if you're in an actual AP class: 1- is there an exam, about 3 hours on average, with essays, in may, costing 80 some dollars that you can take? if not, then no, it's not a real AP class. anyways; i have bc calc lang and comp physics C mech physics C E and M APUSH i feel special. Next year i'll have 8. |
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ive had all ap since freshman year and ive always had to pull an all-nighter to make A's on those things You don't get grade letters for AP tests. You could get As in an AP CLASS, but not the test. The score is from 1-5. Also, There is no such thing as AP Algebra II. im just a stupid worthless boy - you just got pwnd. by kevin. that makes it worse. My brother is taking AP history. I don't know which history, though. |
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I said almost the exact same things as Kevin
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Sorry, once I saw "I got A's on my AP test," all logic and reasoning left me.
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Oh no, I don't mind. Completely understandable. I...yeah.
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I have my first one tomorrow!
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^^
Which would that be? And yeah, I'm so not ready for mine. ![]() |
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All-nighter tonight for the AP English Language.
Barron's, I adore you. <3 ---EDIT---- Actually, it's in a few hours. Go figure. |
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![]() yan lin♥ ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 14,129 Joined: Apr 2004 Member No: 13,627 ![]() |
YAY. I FINISHED MY FIRST AP OF THE YEAR. AP Lang&Comp was so damn easy. It was a waste of my time.
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^^ Which would that be? Lianguage and composition...which is guess you can tell now because other people took it too. I really do hate the multiple choice. I don't think it was necessarily hard, but it felt like I was just putting down answers a lot of the time. Not necessarily guessing..but sort of. The last essay was ridiculously easy, and assuming I made sense, the frst two weren't that bad either. |
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![]() yan lin♥ ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 14,129 Joined: Apr 2004 Member No: 13,627 ![]() |
I thought the essay questions were easier than the SAT essay questions. And I found the multiple choice pretty easy too since I'm taking the AP Literature&Composition Exam.
I finshed my IBHL English Paper 1 today. It wasn't too bad. |
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I have World tomorrow, and psych on friday.
This past week I dont think I have gone a day without 3 or more caffeinated drinks and more than 2 hours of sleep. I can't wait until this is over. |
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Funny thing I learned today. In 2003's AP Cal AB test, a score of 29 out of 108 would give you a 3, which is passing, in most cases. Hopefully that would make some of you more confident. Lol.
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I'm so scared of APUSH! FRIDAY!
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oi... i have Ap english literature on thursday morning, which will be joyous. i took the AP american history in 10th year and got a two, but i've never been a fan of history, and especailly not of american history. i don't think i'll have much of an issue with english literature, but i still hate taking such long tests.
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Funny thing I learned today. In 2003's AP Cal AB test, a score of 29 out of 108 would give you a 3, which is passing, in most cases. Hopefully that would make some of you more confident. Lol. Are you serious!? That cheered me up slightly since my AP Calc AB exam is tomorrow... |
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Sorry this is late, and chances are, most of you already know, but here is a website for all the questions on the Cal AB exam in past years.
http://apcentral.collegeboard.com/members/...,00.html#name05 |
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![]() yan lin♥ ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 14,129 Joined: Apr 2004 Member No: 13,627 ![]() |
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Thanks, I'm glad to hear someone did well. Most of the seniors I've talked to got 2s on it last year
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Heh, #2 on the free response just spanked me....
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I had AP Calc AB this morning...wasn't tooo bad. #1 on the written response took a long time and I still think I screwed up.
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cal bc = rapage. sorta. i skipped some. praying for a 5 =/
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![]() yan lin♥ ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 14,129 Joined: Apr 2004 Member No: 13,627 ![]() |
Thanks, I'm glad to hear someone did well. Most of the seniors I've talked to got 2s on it last year ![]() Is AP literature harder than language? I have that next year? It definately is harder than language. Well, all the mock tests I took were freaking hard, but the exam itself today, was easier than expected. |
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![]() i'm maggie =] ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 3,607 Joined: Jan 2006 Member No: 361,616 ![]() |
my friends are taking the ap euro exam tomorrow. haha, i kinda feel sorry. theyve been either studying so long or theyve been procrastinating.
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i remember i skipped (or completely BSed) the last mclaurin/taylor series free response last year and i still got a 5. it's pretty easy to get a 5 since the curve is huge. lol, series is my complete worst subject in cal. boo. yeah i only got half of the series question on this year's. stupid interval of convergence =/ |
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![]() hi. call me linda. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Official Member Posts: 8,187 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 3,475 ![]() |
Oh god, we're learning series and stuff now (about 2 weeks before the ap!) and it's really confusing me. Blah.
Oh, and don't worry about AP USH, it's really not that bad. |
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Oh god, we're learning series and stuff now (about 2 weeks before the ap!) and it's really confusing me. Blah. Oh, and don't worry about AP USH, it's really not that bad. woooah wait you haven't taken the ap for bc calc yet? i thought everybody took it at the same time? |
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![]() hi. call me linda. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Official Member Posts: 8,187 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 3,475 ![]() |
woooah wait you haven't taken the ap for bc calc yet? i thought everybody took it at the same time? I dunno, my school is on a different schedule, a lot of the tests are a week or so later than they're usually administered. So yeah, we're taking it the 17th. I'm so unprepared though. |
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![]() yan lin♥ ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 14,129 Joined: Apr 2004 Member No: 13,627 ![]() |
OH, and Nicki, last year, 95% of the people who took APUSH in my school got 4s or 5s. We rarely have 3s or lower.
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Oooooooh. See, when it comes to APUSH, we're not anywhere close to that fortunate. Our book is absolute crap for one thing, but I think typically we have a lot of people who don't do very well.
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Two down, one to go.
*does the happy dance* |
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AP world was ridiculous but AP Psych was a breeze
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AP World! It was....okay.
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Oooooooh. See, when it comes to APUSH, we're not anywhere close to that fortunate. Our book is absolute crap for one thing, but I think typically we have a lot of people who don't do very well. I think my free responses were crap ![]() according to classmates, our school's average was a 1.5, with only three or four 3 out of 75 students who took the exam. not to make you paranoid or anything. and yeah. ap english lit yesterday morning. twasn't killer, just boring. and i totally flopped on the essays. the second one took me ten minutes because i ran over the time on the first one and was afraid of taking too long. the free response one was amusing. (by the way, forest and country and now one and the same) |
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nope..not really..im a senior so im not taking any aps..which is prolly a bad choice..ahaha..but i took ap psych and history last yr..yeah i felt the pressure..
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I have a AP Physics exam which I have NOT EVEN thought about it until now.
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Next year ):
![]() I was planning on taking AP Spanish, APUSH, AP Calc BC, AND AP Bio during my freshman year, but decided against it after APWH.. |
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that's not a lot of AP classes offered.
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that's not a lot of AP classes offered. agreed... ehh.. calc BC in freshman year!? !! how!? don't you have to take alg 1 through precalc or trig or w/e first? thats 4 years of math! to tell the truth i wouldn't have survived calc bc freshman year. maybe in junior year. definitely not freshman tho. -- on a side note, the gov ap this morning was ridiculously easy. the free response, anyway. mc was kinda harder. |
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I had AP Calculus and AP World History last Wednesday... tomorrow I have AP chem.
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agreed... ehh.. calc BC in freshman year!? !! how!? don't you have to take alg 1 through precalc or trig or w/e first? thats 4 years of math! to tell the truth i wouldn't have survived calc bc freshman year. maybe in junior year. definitely not freshman tho. -- on a side note, the gov ap this morning was ridiculously easy. the free response, anyway. mc was kinda harder. She meant she wanted to take BC ever since Freshmen year. |
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I was planning on taking AP Spanish, APUSH, AP Calc BC, AND AP Bio during my freshman year, but decided against it after APWH.. You're going to Milpitas High? How cool! Your school is so near ours. &&it's a shame that AP classes can't be offered, because they are so, so, so important. Like, yowza. |
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Ahh, apparently since I'm in the last cycle taking the BC Calculus test, it's going to be the hardest.
Ahhh. |
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![]() yan lin♥ ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 14,129 Joined: Apr 2004 Member No: 13,627 ![]() |
UGH. I'm taking AP Psych next week. And since our school only offers IB psych, I'm taking the IBHL Psych exams, but ALSO signed up for the AP Psych exam to take by myself. But we haven't studied half the psych material of AP :(
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AP Psych was prob the easiest test I took, if it makes you feel better. When I say easy, I mean REALLY easy.
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Actually, that makes me feel better at least, because I'm taking it next year, and I just found out I'll have the class first period, when I'm borderline incapable of learning just about anything, so hurrah!
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Gosh...my school doesn't even offer AP Psych..
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I took US History and German. this year and Calc BC last year. The essays on the US History exam were really hard. I'm pretty sure I made a 1 or 2.
I wish I could take more AP classes. My school only offers AP US History/AP English/AP Calculus/German(but only for about 4 students). They need to offer AP Biology and Physics! |
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![]() yan lin♥ ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 14,129 Joined: Apr 2004 Member No: 13,627 ![]() |
^ that sucks. I think it was since I'm "international" the APUSH essay questions were insanely easy.
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Got mine back today......was a tad bit interesting to see the scores.
So what did everyone else get? |
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My school offers 2. ![]() Its a tiny school, but still... =p That's what I was going to say! Man.. there's less AP classes offered at my school than on that scanned list. ![]() |
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I haven't received my scores yet. But then my test was a late testing.
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He probably got a 5 on Calc...
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f**k, I got a 2 in physics, Rofl. But then again, I don't even take AP Physics.
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You took the test without taking the class?
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Well, I took Honors Physics. I thought, you can take any test you want. Lol. Oh well.
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i'm pretty sure you can usually take any test you want as long as you pay ETS. and they're not going to turn down money, haha.
4/4/5 english/gov/stat |
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I guess we can start posting our scores now, eh? I think I could have done better on my Lit.
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Yeah Kathleen...we don't have honours classes or anything. But you can be ahead by a year or something.
Yaaay, got my ap calc test mark! 5, wooo! ![]() |
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im not in any AP classes or honors classes.GAH IM NOT SMART
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I got a 2 on my APES exam... Pretty embarrassing, haha, but that's what I was expecting.
Anyway, next year I'll be taking 4 exams: Lit, Calc AB, Psych, and Spanish Lang. I'm actually going to study this year; I want to do really well on the first three. Spanish, I have to say I don't care too much about. |
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I have AP European History. So far its tons of work becuase I didn't get the summer work and now i have to do it in a week.
The test sounds really hard, because he says most people dont pass |
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Pam, what's APES?
I have the same exams as you this year, except that I have government and econ instead of Spanish. |
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I think APES = AP European Studies
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I have AP European History too. So much reading, so much to prepare for the FRQs and DBQs.
Any tips on how to get a 9 (or at least a high score) in the essays? |
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I got a 4 on AP World.
This year is going to be a killer. |
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I have AP European History too. So much reading, so much to prepare for the FRQs and DBQs. Any tips on how to get a 9 (or at least a high score) in the essays? In history? Know events, know your stuff... writing style doesn't matter as much. Have a clear thesis... conclusion's not as important, but it's good if you have one. |
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QUOTE Pam, what's APES? APES = AP Environmental Science :] We took a practice Lit exam a couple of days ago, the objective/multiple-choice portion, and it wasn't too bad, actually. |
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