Reasons for non approved graphics, Should there be a reason? Options

[*My Cinderella.*]

Sometimes when my graphics aren't accepted. I'd like to know the reason why they weren't accepted, so that I can work on it and know what not to do the next time I make a graphic. What do you guys think. Do you think they should state the reason why the graphics you made weren't accepted? It would be a lot easier if they did.

[jue]

agreed. Giving a bit of reason on why a layout or graphic wasn't accepeted would be nice.

[*I Shot JFK*]

well obviously that would be preferable.

isnt there something on the form for layouts where mod sgive a reason if they were rejected? could thi sbe implemented for graphics?

the onl yproblem woud be that it would be time consuming, and from the rate i see that section growing, graphics come in fast, so it would take AGES to go through them all

[*My Cinderella.*]

isnt there something on the form for layouts where mod sgive a reason if they were rejected? could thi sbe implemented for graphics?

^ Do you mean like this?

Good
Clean and uncluttered design
Readable text and hyperlinks
Pleasant and suitable color scheme
Clear theme
Originality
Reasonable loading time
Balance between graphics and text
Easy navigation
Fair size and quality of image(s)
Bad
Poor organization
Overuse of scripts
Poor quality images
Jocked images/layout
Misaligned elements
Inappropriate/offensive theme
Use of sTiCkY cAps
Broken images
Tacky text or image effects
Too bright or busy background image
Use of sliced images (5 is enough)
Use of ad remover

I guess it would be good if there was a similar list like the one above for people to look at before submitting graphics.

[*I Shot JFK*]

no no, i meant that when a member gets a rejection letter for one of their layouts, there is something which gives the reason the layout was rejected.

or am i wrong on this?

[*My Cinderella.*]

^ Ohhh I think I get what you mean.

[xosteffanator]

no, you're right james, when a graphic or layout is rejected the mod states why.

[Jane Doe.]

Not always. I used to try and put a reason why a certain graphic was rejected, but...people usually take offense to it, and only the reason is sent in the PM. Nothing more. Just us saying "Only brushes, and is too simple" or "...Inappropriate" and can give members the impression that we're insulting them and/or their work. [Which is more awkward than just a simple default letter. Especially when you can't remember what graphic they're talking about when they PM you back...]
Which is one of the reasons I started not filling out the reason-why-rejected form , and why I tend to avoid the graphics queue.

[*My Cinderella.*]

^ That may be true. But perhaps you can make a rule that you must include the link to your rejected graphic to get the reason why it has not been accepted.

[*mona lisa*]

There is a space for staff to put in a reason for rejection even for graphics. The staff should be doing it though. But Julie is right, every time I reject something now, the creator takes offense because they don't receive a sweet rejection letter. I usually do provide a reason.

[marzipan]

i think a reason would be helpful. i really don't care if u guys are blunt to me. lol. constructive criticism is nice. just as long as you're not like, "THAT SUCKS."

[*My Cinderella.*]

^ I agree with you. The creator should take the reason that is given to them and work on making a better and improved graphic.

[Jane Doe.]

Okay. Fine. I shall take your advice and do that. Maybe I should be more clear..when rejecting.
I'd also like a link to their image[or layout, too] and maybe an automated message in addition to the personalized message. [too shy to ask, though :x] I mean, so they know what it is and could be told that if they PM back a mod, they won't always get a reply back, it may be pointless, it's not personal, et cetera.

Okay, okay, I'll try to be more helpful.


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Wait. Question:

What would you consider "helpful" and what would you consider "rude"?
I mean, saying "it sucks!11" ...is not helpful, I know..
I'd just like some examples .

[*My Cinderella.*]

Be blunt just encouraging such as:

The quality of this avatar is poor, try looking for clearer images. (insert cheesy smiley)

Let them know that you're not saying it to be mean, but helpful.

Blunt
I'm sorry but your graphic was not accepted. There are far too many brushes used. Try cutting down on the brushes. Please, continue to submit graphics. Your hard work will be payed off.

Rude
I'm sorry but your graphic was not accepted. I'm sorry to say it, but it is hideous. Where did you find that picture?

^ Okay so I overreacted on the rude part.

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I think it's easier if you have common reasons for non accept graphics already set. For example, if poor quality turns up a lot in the graphics, you could have a message like that already saved so you can save time and be helpful!

[gelionie]

I'm sure most of us try to give specific reasons on why a certain graphic was rejected. Also, you can always PM the staff who rejected yours for a reason.

[marzipan]

^ i've had to do that, because none of them give me a reason. all they say is "sorry, keep trying! it will pay off sooner or later!!"

[*digital.fragrance*]

I always give reasons when someone PMs me - and I try to give reasons as much as possible when I reject. The thing is, sometimes we have so many pending submissions, that we have no choice but to just push the button and go on.

For people wanting feedback, I suggest submitting a few graphics at a time - not 20 of them all at once.

[GREASEbaby]

Hm, this sounds like a good idea. The creator just has to be not pigheaded, and better not start a bashing topic saying, "OMGSH THE MODZ SUKZ @$$!! THEYZ SHOULD ALL LIKE, GO TO @#%$ CUZ LIKEZ THEY DIDNTZ EXCEPT MY GRAPHIKZ! AND DEN DEY TOLDZ ME DAT IT HAD POOR IMAGEZ QUALITYZ!! AND I THINK I NO HOWZ 2 MAK3 GRAPHIX! YOU GUYZ SERIOUSLY NEEDZ TO EXCEPT MY GRAFIX CUZ THEY R DA BEST & EVERYBODY NOZ IT, U GUYZ R JUST JELUS!! WTFH IS UP WIT DAT?!" They just need to take it as constructive critisism.

[Mulder]

honestly, ive gotten 5 pms in the last week asking why ive rejected graphics, and because we look at 30 a day i have no idea what your graphic looked like, or why i rejected it. yesterday there were 20 graphics (16 submitted by one person), and with that its just easiest to push the reject button.

ill try to give more feedback, but sometimes, its hard to give feedback without sounding rude.

[*My Cinderella.*]

^ That may be true. But part of being a designer is to take the C&C that is given to you. I sent in about 4 graphics last night, three of them were rejected.

Thank you for submitting a graphic. However, I'm sorry to inform you that your graphic submission was not approved. I encourage you to continue submitting, I promise you, your hard work will pay off!

It doesn't really give me a reason why they weren't accepted. But I'll PM them just to make sure.

[*My Cinderella.*]

I think only a few of them state the reason.

[*digital.fragrance*]

Mods have a lot to review sometimes. What we have is an option to give reasons - if we don't fill it out, it sends the standard rejection notice. What some people really don't understand is that there can be SO MANY submissions to go through that it's impossible to give a reason to everyone. We do our best, but sometimes it's overwhelming.

[*Libertie*]

Yeah, this was an issue before because there was no way to include a reason. That's why Jusun added the part at the end so if we decide to reject something, we can give a reason why.

However, maybe there should be some sort of form.. When a graphic is rejected and no reason is given, you get a PM that's like "Sorry to inform you, but your ____ has been rejected" or something like that. If you leave a reason, the only thing that sends is your message so most of the time it's like "The image quality is bad and the colors don't match." So then the person thinks you're just insulting the graphic and don't realize it's been rejected necessarily.

Instead, I think it should send the default letter and if someone includes a reason, it should say something like this at the end:

The moderator who reviewed your ____ also left the following reason(s) as to why it was rejected and how it can be improved:

And then there's the list. If that was the case, the moderator wouldn't have to worry about necessarily being nice, it could just say something like:

The moderator who reviewed your ____ also left the following reason(s) as to why it was rejected and how it can be improved:

- poor image quality
- colors don't match
- add some brushes or textures

See how it's not in complete sentences? And it's not filled with "Awww it's okay, keep trying really!" It took two seconds to write that up.

Just a thought.

[*digital.fragrance*]

^That's good stuff - there should be something like that.

[flc]

ill try to give more feedback, but sometimes, its hard to give feedback without sounding rude.

That's what I'd be scared of. I'm kind of sensitive even to constructive criticism. =/

But if that's what the majority wants, then I'd just have to deal with it.

[*My Cinderella.*]

Yeah, this was an issue before because there was no way to include a reason. That's why Jusun added the part at the end so if we decide to reject something, we can give a reason why.

However, maybe there should be some sort of form.. When a graphic is rejected and no reason is given, you get a PM that's like "Sorry to inform you, but your ____ has been rejected" or something like that. If you leave a reason, the only thing that sends is your message so most of the time it's like "The image quality is bad and the colors don't match." So then the person thinks you're just insulting the graphic and don't realize it's been rejected necessarily.

Instead, I think it should send the default letter and if someone includes a reason, it should say something like this at the end:
And then there's the list. If that was the case, the moderator wouldn't have to worry about necessarily being nice, it could just say something like:
See how it's not in complete sentences? And it's not filled with "Awww it's okay, keep trying really!" It took two seconds to write that up.

Just a thought.

^ I like your idea. I wouldn't mind if the reason wasn't in complete sentences. I would be happy that the person took the time to give me C&C.

[silent whisper]

yeah i agree. my friends layout was rejected, and she would like to know why. i myself think it was a awesome layout.

[misoshiru]

^ There usually are reasons given with layouts, if not, you can PM one of the mods who run Design/Xanga/Myspace/LJ. But usually, it's layouts that get reasons and graphics that don't.

Personally, I don't see such a big deal for reasons for non-approved graphics. Keeping in mind that the flow of graphics such as submitted ones is a lot larger in number than layouts, it would be difficult to give reasons for each one. I don't think that it should be necessary unless the person who submitted it asks for it specifically.

[duplicatex0x0x0]

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There is a space, usually when I have a reason other than quality I would write it in. If the quality of the layout/graphic is poor. Then I'll just leave the area blank.

Graphics
bad
watermarks
copyrights
Poor quality image
Jocked images
Inappropriate/offensive theme
Tacky text or image effects

good
Pleasant colors (nothing too hard on the eyes)
Originality
Fair quality of image

[*My Cinderella.*]

Graphics
bad
watermarks
copyrights
Poor quality image
Jocked images
Inappropriate/offensive theme
Tacky text or image effects

good
Pleasant colors (nothing too hard on the eyes)
Originality
Fair quality of image
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^ I think that information should be posted in the Graphic's section so creators know what and what not to do.

[*januaryrain*]

after reading this i know why my graphic was rejected, but just for the record, i was not told why

Hi,
Thank you for submitting a graphic. However, I'm sorry to inform you that your graphic submission was not approved. I encourage you to continue submitting, I promise you, your hard work will pay off!

[*My Cinderella.*]

So I think it's best if:
Graphics
bad
watermarks
copyrights
Poor quality image
Jocked images
Inappropriate/offensive theme
Tacky text or image effects

good
Pleasant colors (nothing too hard on the eyes)
Originality
Fair quality of image
^ All of the above should be posted in the Graphic's thread so that it gives certain reasons why the graphics weren't accepted.

It should make it a little easier for the approvers as well.

[duplicatex0x0x0]

^ could you give me the link to the thread that that was posted in>?

[*My Cinderella.*]

^ Ah my mistake a typo. This SHOULD be posted in a thread.

[duplicatex0x0x0]

^ eh, I just tried, even though I have power in the graphics section. Apparently only head staff // admins can make new topics.

[*My Cinderella.*]

Darn. I appreciate that you were willing to though. I'll try asking the admin or head staff.

[duplicatex0x0x0]

Its done now.

[*My Cinderella.*]

Alrighty, I'm satisfied. Mods can close this topic now.