"Blind Faith", critizing religion... Options

[xjjajeengx]

Okay I just finished my report/essay on this topic. It's basically...

"Do you think that calling religion blind-faith is acceptable in today's society? Do you believe that it is blind faith?"

I know its a lamooo subject, but i actually wrote like more than 3 pages on this... so yea... amazing huh. And what sucks is that i have to think moreee of this subject sinc we're going to ahve this jumbo mumbo debate thing and i have smart people in my class who can beat the sh!t outtta me with language and brains...

My opinion:
-Amendment 1 states freedom of religion, it is the first amendment therefore was important...

-There is no solid proof that religion is in fact blind faith just as non beeleevers would say that there is no proof that religion is correct...

-True, amendment 1 states freedom of speech, but it seems disrespectful to use the freedom of speech to diss something that our forefathers have put into the constitution to better our country.

Lame lame opinion here, i admit, because i was required to addd a "legal-point-of-view" and OBVIOUSLY my teacher was dissapointed since i happened to add the FIRST amendment... hahah anyways. opinions?

[*NatiMarie*]

I agree with you I mean, it's really disrespectful to oppose a religion that you do not know about. I mean, it's always good to have freedom of the press but when you abuse this freedom to an extent where you try to dehumanize a religion, it's morally wrong. I respect other people's religion and let them to choose whatever path they want to choose. As long as it doesn't affect me, I won't interfere with their religious beliefs.

[dukesoccer07]

You know what... I used to have blind faith... but when I was sitting in my senior theology class I was pointed out many things that prove it to be true... many non-christian historians who lived at the time of Jesus writing about unusual things... such as an earthquake and the sky going from day to night... if respected historians from that time write about it then why do we believe the rest of their stuff but not that?!?!



edit: sorry respected historians

[xjjajeengx]

duke soccer, sorry but i dont get what ur saying... like if respect historians uh?

[Spirited Away]

Who would refer religion as 'blind faith'? Atheists?

Religion gives people hope in times of despair, it shouldn't be degraded only because a few number of people choose not to believe anything.

But then again, religious people have said that I follow a blind faith, too, for believing in God, but not the Bible. So, where did this phrase originate from? Atheists? Or self-proclaimed "true believers"?

[dasturbd]

Technically everything can be considered blind faith. The bible itself has been interpreted, so whose to say that everything in it is accurate. There are many things that have been left out of the bible, that at the time I suppose weren't deemed important enough to be in there.

It matters not to me if someone says that I have blind faith when it comes to my religion, because in the end at least I have FAITH.

[dukesoccer07]

Technically everything can be considered blind faith. The bible itself has been interpreted, so whose to say that everything in it is accurate. There are many things that have been left out of the bible, that at the time I suppose weren't deemed important enough to be in there.

I would like to be enlightened on what was left out... obviously you have no clue what the process of translating the Bible is...

[dasturbd]

I would like to be enlightened on what was left out... obviously you have no clue what the process of translating the Bible is...

So quick to assume I don't have a clue huh...this is just one example that I have found for you...there are many more but I'm a tad bit pressed for time right now...

some things left out

There have been many topics on the history channel and explorer channels about this

[Spirited Away]

So quick to assume I don't have a clue huh...this is just one example that I have found for you...there are many more but I'm a tad bit pressed for time right now...

some things left out

There have been many topics on the history channel and explorer channels about this

I rememeber hearing something like this...

Also, one of the things 'left out', I think, included a request to not serve God in Churches, but rather in our hearts. I suppose these passages had to be taken out, after all, I don't think Churches appreciate them much.

[dukesoccer07]

So quick to assume I don't have a clue huh...this is just one example that I have found for you...there are many more but I'm a tad bit pressed for time right now...

some things left out

There have been many topics on the history channel and explorer channels about this

No offense... but that stuff isnt part of the Bible... what you religion believes is something else... but whats in the Bible has been in the Bible since the first edition...

[dasturbd]

No offense... but that stuff isnt part of the Bible... what you religion believes is something else... but whats in the Bible has been in the Bible since the first edition...

I know it's not in the bible, you said to "enlighten" you with things that have been left out of the bible...did you not?? My religion is catholic btw...so exactly what does my religion believe differently??.

My point is through interpretation you get many variations and some things don't even make it to the text version. Also you need to take into consideration things that they have found (artifacts and such) that were found after the original publication of the bible, that have never been added. Why do you think there are so many different publications of bibles. The King James Bible is not the only bible there is.

If the bible were to be interpreted into a modern day text format, like how we speak today, many things that are in the bible probably wouldn't be construed the same way.

[dukesoccer07]

My religion is catholic btw....

I can tell.... im not gonna say anymore just cause I dont want to bring controversy to this

[Spirited Away]

I can tell.... im not gonna say anymore just cause I dont want to bring controversy to this

It's a debate, there's supposed to be controversy.

So lets here it.

[WhiteChocolate]

some things left out

There have been many topics on the history channel and explorer channels about this

After reading one VERSE of that bullcrap I can tell its fake. Thats the stupidest thing I've ever read.

[Spirited Away]

After reading one VERSE of that bullcrap I can tell its fake. Thats the stupidest thing I've ever read.

To you it's "bull", but to others it's secrets revealed. I think if you're so against it, then you should write to the people who discovered them.

There isn't a right or wrong here, because it's all opinions.

[WhiteChocolate]

To you it's "bull", but to others it's secrets revealed. I think if you're so against it, then you should write to the people who discovered them.

There isn't a right or wrong here, because it's all opinions.

I was just expressing my opinion, dear.

I didn't say this was wrong for everyone.

[dasturbd]

After reading one VERSE of that bullcrap I can tell its fake. Thats the stupidest thing I've ever read.

LOL!! I think you have a serious problem with me Mr. Chocolate...you seem to quote me all the time and yet you never have anything credible to back yourself up. All you ever say is You're wrong, or that's stupid...blah, blah, blah. Why does it have to be stupid because you don't believe in it. Is it "blind faith" that everything believed other than your way is stupid??

It seems as though my earlier point has been taken out of context anyways. Blind Faith, no matter what religion or even science is still faith and as long as you believe that there is/isn't a God, that we are here from creation or evolution,it's your belief and what you have faith to be right.

Anyways didn't mean to twist this all off topic. I guess I should have posted my link in an Open-mindedness for the close minded topic.

[Spirited Away]

I was just expressing my opinion, dear.

I didn't say this was wrong for everyone.

I knew that

I just thought I'd tell you my opinions about your opinions.

[WhiteChocolate]

LOL!! I think you have a serious problem with me Mr. Chocolate...you seem to quote me all the time and yet you never have anything credible to back yourself up. All you ever say is You're wrong, or that's stupid...blah, blah, blah. Why does it have to be stupid because you don't believe in it. Is it "blind faith" that everything believed other than your way is stupid??

It seems as though my earlier point has been taken out of context anyways. Blind Faith, no matter what religion or even science is still faith and as long as you believe that there is/isn't a God, that we are here from creation or evolution,it's your belief and what you have faith to be right.

Anyways didn't mean to twist this all off topic. I guess I should have posted my link in an Open-mindedness for the close minded topic.

Actually I didn't even realize that it was you I quoted until just now, mrs. dasturbd. Please forgive me, but I actually don't have a problem with you. I just thought that those "lost bible excerpts" were crap. I don't think it was a very credible link...

[*CJ1*]

That's horrible, calling religion blind faith. That's supposed to be one of the good things of our country, getting to believe in whatever you believe in. To me, religion is part of who I am. Once they ridicule my religion, they ridicule me.

[WildGriffin]

we practice blind faith every day, i'm practicing blind faith towards my chair. I believe it wont break or eat me. Ya never know tho, religion is comforting. So is this chair.

[strice]

today i had this whole idea, that big brother of 1984 is God, and Oceania was purgatory, and they must love Big brother to go to heaven. both the bible and the party preach abstinence, suppress art, and complete devotion to what the bible/party says, regardless of reason. Orwell was a real anti religion dude, so i don't find this too far out.

[WildGriffin]

Orwell was a genius. Ever read "animal farm"? It's a simplier book then "1984", but just as good.

[strice]

yeah i read it. good stuff

[xjjajeengx]

wow. anyways,.

It seems as though my earlier point has been taken out of context anyways. Blind Faith, no matter what religion or even science is still faith and as long as you believe that there is/isn't a God, that we are here from creation or evolution,it's your belief and what you have faith to be right.

i agree with this, most definately. Im christian, but i respect other religions most of the time unless they start telling me that im full of crap cause im christian.

please, i understand this is a debate forum and so there has to be friction, but could you guys please limit on the member bashing? Its kind of... messed up...

Okay I just finished my report/essay on this topic. It's basically...

"Do you think that calling religion blind-faith is acceptable in today's society? Do you believe that it is blind faith?"

I know its a lamooo subject, but i actually wrote like more than 3 pages on this... so yea... amazing huh. And what sucks is that i have to think moreee of this subject sinc we're going to ahve this jumbo mumbo debate thing and i have smart people in my class who can beat the sh!t outtta me with language and brains...

My opinion:
-Amendment 1 states freedom of religion, it is the first amendment therefore was important...

-There is no solid proof that religion is in fact blind faith just as non beeleevers would say that there is no proof that religion is correct...

-True, amendment 1 states freedom of speech, but it seems disrespectful to use the freedom of speech to diss something that our forefathers have put into the constitution to better our country.

Lame lame opinion here, i admit, because i was required to addd a "legal-point-of-view" and OBVIOUSLY my teacher was dissapointed since i happened to add the FIRST amendment... hahah anyways. opinions?

prove that is is blind faith and i will still belive.

[faithin_felix]

eh...grace, do you think i have blind faith, after all i have SOO MUCH FAITH in life, and i tell everyone to have faith, and my name is faithin felix, and you are now faithin grace. moah!
faith owns all.

[xjjajeengx]

im... not... saying it is blind faith... what the heck... did anyone read what i wrote BEFORE... im saying that Critizising religion as blind faith is wrong...
nwa faith_felix, you are not blind faith.

[faithin_felix]

im... not... saying it is blind faith... what the heck... did anyone read what i wrote BEFORE... im saying that Critizising religion as blind faith is wrong...
nwa faith_felix, you are not blind faith.

but i am known as the faith dude, don't judge faith. and you grace, have faith in the word "faith".

[Nashvixen]

After reading one VERSE of that bullcrap I can tell its fake. Thats the stupidest thing I've ever read.

Don't rule it out altogether WhiteChocolate. I've done research on the parts of sacred texts that's been left out of the Protestant Bible.
As you know, the Protestant Bible is derived from Catholic texts, but there were some parts left out. There's a theory that even more was left out of the Catholic doctrine because of women's oppression. There is a story of Lilith, for instance, as Adam's first wife who rebelled against him. If men wanted to remain in power once their wives learned how to read, they had to simply keep certain information from them. Lilith's testimony could possibly have caused an uprising of newly confident women against their husbands.
There's also been thousands of years between the writing of the Bible and your reading of the Bible, and if some translator wanted a part taken out, he could easily have taken it out to keep the "weaker sex"... weaker (which women were).

Actually I didn't even realize that it was you I quoted until just now, mrs. dasturbd. Please forgive me, but I actually don't have a problem with you. I just thought that those "lost bible excerpts" were crap. I don't think it was a very credible link...

If the link was your problem, search for books on this at your local library. I encourage you to explore this further.

wow. anyways,.

i agree with this, most definately. Im christian, but i respect other religions most of the time unless they start telling me that im full of crap cause im christian.

please, i understand this is a debate forum and so there has to be friction, but could you guys please limit on the member bashing? Its kind of... messed up...

Hehe... *agrees* I said in the gay marriage debate forum that I was brought up a Southern Baptist Christian. I respect other religions, and I'm even open-minded to them. I don't want to be ignorant of what very well may be the truth as well.
If anyone who reads this believes that their belief is the one and only true and perfect belief, I remind you that there are others out there willing to die for theirs. They feel just as strongly about their faith as you yours. Can one compete?

[f4113n]

first of all, id like to say that you bringing up this topic in the first place is completely 100% politically incorrect. go you!

personally, i think that its merely a matter of semantics. what is your definition of blind faith? does blind faith mean that only those who have "seen god's hand" or "seen angels when i was on my deathbed" aren't blind? or does blind faith mean going along with whatever most people believe in without actually believing in it yourself? does blind faith mean merely believing in something so that you can be comforted by the thought that there is more to living than just a human life, when you actually know deep down inside that our physical human existence is all we've got?

personally, im just a disturbed teen who has lost all faith in humanity and anything to do with it whatsoever, especially religion or other crap like that.

but ya don't hafta listen to me, im just a mentally disturbed 13-year-old who knows too much about politics for her own good

p.s. im an atheist so sorry if im offending you by saying that all religion is basically just a load of bs, but thats wut the 1st amendment is for

[picaso_smile]

All faith is blind. You can't look at God and say, "Oh yeah. He's right here having cofee beside me. That's how I know he exists." Faith is believeing something with your heart, not your mind, with no real concrete facts to back it up.

Criticising someone else's faith is pointless. You can't prove faith wrong. It isn't possible. It's faith witch means it's what someone believes based on whats in thier heart. You can't alter that with facts.

Furthermore, why criticize someones faith? The biggest reason I can see is to belittle them. Why belittle them? Because you're threatened? People don't like what they don't know, and what differs from their own personal opinion.

Let people do whatever the they want as long at it isn't hurting anyone. For example if I feel the urge to coat myself in powedered sugar and worship goodyear tires on the third day of every month at 3:00am. Too bad if you don't like it.

[f4113n]

You know what... I used to have blind faith... but when I was sitting in my senior theology class I was pointed out many things that prove it to be true... many non-christian historians who lived at the time of Jesus writing about unusual things... such as an earthquake and the sky going from day to night... if respected historians from that time write about it then why do we believe the rest of their stuff but not that?!?!
edit: sorry respected historians

an earthquake is a natural occurece which has nothing to do with god or any kind of religion, it is caused by the earth's tectonic plates moving. the sky going from day to night? im sorry, but ever heard of a solar eclipse? people back then probably didn't know what it was, so they assumed it was religion. didnt religion basically start out as trying to explain natural phenomena?

again, i apologize if im offending anyone with my atheistic views, but that's just my opinion.

[Nashvixen]

first of all, id like to say that you bringing up this topic in the first place is completely 100% politically incorrect. go you!

personally, im just a disturbed teen who has lost all faith in humanity and anything to do with it whatsoever, especially religion or other crap like that.
but ya don't hafta listen to me, im just a mentally disturbed 13-year-old who knows too much about politics for her own good 

p.s. im an atheist so sorry if im offending you by saying that all religion is basically just a load of bs, but thats wut the 1st amendment is for

Organized religion is all too often a load of bs. (And there's nothing wrong with being a 13-year-old interested in politics. hehe)

All faith is blind. You can't look at God and say, "Oh yeah. He's right here having cofee beside me. That's how I know he exists." Faith is believeing something with your heart, not your mind, with no real concrete facts to back it up.

Let people do whatever the they want as long at it isn't hurting anyone. For example if I feel the urge to coat myself in powedered sugar and worship goodyear tires on the third day of every month at 3:00am. Too bad if you don't like it.

We should start that religion! It sounds like the sure perfect way to heaven to me!!!

[Pravda]

Religion as blind faith. Cliché, but cliché for a reason.

Look, no matter how much esteem you place on your religion there are those that believe what they are told simply because the man is wearing robes or is behind a pulpit or is a demagogue. Then again, there are those that believe what they believe because they have invested time, energy, and thought into it. So, what constitutes 'blind faith?'

Well, as early stated, blind faith is all about semantics. If you consider all religions to be false and contrary to the human condition, then all religions are blind faith simply because people are believing in something that doesn't exist. If you consider your religion to be true and all other to e false, then you have an 'us and them' scenario. They are blind, we see the light. Now, what if you're some sort of transcendentalist/Bahá'í religion where all of the worlds religions have some sort of validity, then all humans have faith in something because it is natural and necessary in order to reach the divine.

Basically, this question comes down to the two schools of religious studies. Do you look at it with the comprative mindset, where all religions are studied as numbers and creeds? Or do you look at it as subjective, where you immerse yourself in the religion you are studying so that you can gain empathy and understanding for a certain religion?

Its times like these that I'm overjoyed that a lot of colleges and universities in America are now requiring religious studies classes...

[Pravda]

Don't rule it out altogether WhiteChocolate. I've done research on the parts of sacred texts that's been left out of the Protestant Bible.
As you know, the Protestant Bible is derived from Catholic texts, but there were some parts left out. There's a theory that even more was left out of the Catholic doctrine because of women's oppression. There is a story of Lilith, for instance, as Adam's first wife who rebelled against him. If men wanted to remain in power once their wives learned how to read, they had to simply keep certain information from them. Lilith's testimony could possibly have caused an uprising of newly confident women against their husbands.
There's also been thousands of years between the writing of the Bible and your reading of the Bible, and if some translator wanted a part taken out, he could easily have taken it out to keep the "weaker sex"... weaker (which women were).
If the link was your problem, search for books on this at your local library. I encourage you to explore this further.

Theory nothing. It's true. The texts left out of the Protestant Bible became known as the Apocrypha. It has several books that are still in the Catholic canon but no longer in the Protestant, like the book of the Maccabees (story of Channukah). Despite this, there are even more books that have been left out of the Bible as a whole due to the ideas of several 'scholars' at various conferences that met specifically with the idea of creating a holy compilation. For instance, no one wants to hear about the Book of Enoch or the Book of Jubilees, because it's filled with graphic descriptions of fallen angels rapping women and violence and giants that roamed the earth smiting men as they saw fit. During all this, God sat back and watched and laughed his ass off. This doesn't fit in with the way that most rabbinical counsels wanted God portrayed, so it was left out. Simple.

The same thing happened with the New Testament. Ever heard of the Nag Hammadi? It's filled with gospels not canonized. Ever heard of the Gospel of Thomas? How about the Secret Gospel of Mark? Ah, then there's Mary Magdalene. Mary was a prostitute, right? WRONG! Mary Magdalene was the daughter of the high priest in the temple, a member of the Levite clan. She was literate, rich, and well known. There are also implications in several of the gospels in the Nag Hammadi that Jesus even had a romantic relationship with Mary Magdalene. In some of the less complete gospels (they've decayed over time) there are lines like "And the Lord kissed Mary, expressing his love."

If you guys want to know more, give me some time to dig up some stuff from my honors religion class.

[perfectxflaw23]

I think you can call it whatever you want. I'm a "nonbeliever" (agonistic, leaving towards atheist). I do believe that some religions are based on blind faith, but not all. Buddha was started by a real man. Not blind faith. But the Christian religion is, to me, blind faith. You're putting your faith in something you cannot truly know or understand completely. But that is your choice. I'm not going to put you down for having that. I respect other's religious beliefs.

[sammi rules you]

i consider blind faith as not having enough information to have reason to have the faith you do. a lot of people have blind faith, and just believe things because people tell them to. however, a lot of people have also done research and believe what they do because it's what they really think is right. that's fine.

[zbrittanyz]

Blind faith to me means that the person has no idea of what their religion is based upon. If you truly understand your religion, then blind faith shouldn't be a factor.

Personally, I do not affliate myself with a religion, but I understand where people that are religious are coming from. I don't believe in anything- but I have a good idea.