Does bush suck? Options

[WildGriffin]

I'm stealing this from someone. I'm not too sure, you can't really tell these things till after a term. But so far, he's on the road to suckage.

He sucked before he was prez., didnt he have a couple DWI's or DUI's or whatever the fark they're called? He also ditched his duties as a national guardsmen or whatever. And...he was a coke head.

So says my political bible written by a democratic satirist, "lies and the lying liars who tell them."

[juliar]

Well, I blame him for the war and that leading to the budget deficit. I mean, if he didn't have this war and use so much money on it, I think that many more people would support him. We are selfish, money people. Can't change that.

[WhiteChocolate]

Um, no.

You haven't said ANYTHING about what he's done as president to put forth any merit into your argument. Dredging up someone's past doesn't convince me that they suck.

Kerry has a bunch of medals that he didn't earn. Yeah, we all have skeletons in our closet.

[*Kathleen*]

People make mistakes, you know...they change...besides...there are so many idiots out there that do that anyways - are you going to yell at them when they become head of a company someday?

[whomps]

Dean is serene.

Yes, I think Bush sucks. But that's just me.

[WildGriffin]

People don't change when they hit 50. I'm just saying Bush has always been an idiot and how he got into the presidency is beyond me (maybe it was his name.....nahhhhhh). Lol, didn't kerry get one of his purple hearts by falling off a bike? Hey, an injury is an injury, at least Kerry actually fought for our country while bush was busy drinking and waiting for his spot in the political world provided by daddy.

Oh, and don't compare the presidency to a CEO of some company. Companies don't represent out country...well not as much as Bush does. Companies don't decide if we go to war. So if there were two idiots appointed to the presidency and a company, i'd go argue the presidency first.

[WhiteChocolate]

People don't change when they hit 50. I'm just saying Bush has always been an idiot and how he got into the presidency is beyond me (maybe it was his name.....nahhhhhh). Lol, didn't kerry get one of his purple hearts by falling off a bike? Hey, an injury is an injury, at least Kerry actually fought for our country while bush was busy drinking and waiting for his spot in the political world provided by daddy.

You still haven't showed me any reason as to why he's a bad president. Good lord, this isn't a debate, this is a pointless "BUSH SUCKS...HAHAHAHA...HE ISNT THE REAL PRESIDENT ANYWYAZ!! HAHA...BECUZ GORE REALLY WON...HAHA!"



I would have LOVED to have seen what Gore would've done abou 9/11...loved to see the fear in his eyes. No, Bush is my president.

[Spirited Away]

I don't understand how people continually blames Bush for this deficit thing. It's redundantly incorrect.

The war is costly, but that's only a part of it...

No one can control the economy really, we can only model it and then try to predict the outcomes of certain changes.

Please rule out "Bush sucks because he killed our economy" or "He caused this whole deficit thing".

[*CEP*]

He's slow, but he doesn't suck.
Let's see you handle something as big as 9/11 and pass with flying colors.

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

[strice]

Dubya is a sack of shizit. the list of things he's done wrong is far too long to list. Even that bloody patriot act is worth impeachment, considering all of the encroachments it has on the bill of rights, such as jail without trial, restriction of freedom of speech, among others. All in the name of HOMELAND SECURITY. bullsh*t! thats how hitler came to power. the reichstag was set on fire, which may have been intentionally done by hitler's followers, and he then declared a state of emergency and took power. does anyone else see that? I can't trust a religious zealot who acts like an ape. anyone is better than bush.

was that too long?

VISIT moveon.org to take our country back.

[WildGriffin]

You still haven't showed me any reason as to why he's a bad president. Good lord, this isn't a debate, this is a pointless "BUSH SUCKS...HAHAHAHA...HE ISNT THE REAL PRESIDENT ANYWYAZ!! HAHA...BECUZ GORE REALLY WON...HAHA!"

Nobody said anything about him not being the rightful president, but it's nice to see that you can bash your own arguments.

Alright, here's his track record:
*Lied about Weapons of Mass Destruction then pinned it on smaller guys
*Ignored several warnings of sept. 11, warnings for which he was bombarded with (yes,bombarded, they're are several warnings that bush and company ignored; all occuring one month before sept.11)
*Took resources away from finding Osama to fight in Iraq, gaining public support by lieing about WMDs
*Spent $6.5 billion on nuclear arms research instead of properly armoring our troops in Iraq
Um, and a quick google search turned up this wonderful site. I dunno, is 100 mistakes good enuff for you? 100 Bush Suckage Points



He also doubles as a chimp.

[HaNeul-ye]

hey, what has he done for the poor people?

[*CEP*]

Nobody said anything about him not being the rightful president, but it's nice to see that you can bash your own arguments.

Alright, here's his track record:
*Lied about Weapons of Mass Destruction then pinned it on smaller guys
*Ignored several warnings of sept. 11, warnings for which he was bombarded with (yes,bombarded, they're are several warnings that bush and company ignored; all occuring one month before sept.11)
*Took resources away from finding Osama to fight in Iraq, gaining public support by lieing about WMDs
*Spent $6.5 billion on nuclear arms research instead of properly armoring our troops in Iraq
Um, and a quick google search turned up this wonderful site. I dunno, is 100 mistakes good enuff for you? 100 Bush Suckage Points



He also doubles as a chimp.

Okay, fine. I'll just stop talking.
*plays with the monkies*


- Chinkieeyedpnoi

[whomps]

Nobody said anything about him not being the rightful president, but it's nice to see that you can bash your own arguments.

Alright, here's his track record:
*Lied about Weapons of Mass Destruction then pinned it on smaller guys
*Ignored several warnings of sept. 11, warnings for which he was bombarded with (yes,bombarded, they're are several warnings that bush and company ignored; all occuring one month before sept.11)
*Took resources away from finding Osama to fight in Iraq, gaining public support by lieing about WMDs
*Spent $6.5 billion on nuclear arms research instead of properly armoring our troops in Iraq
Um, and a quick google search turned up this wonderful site. I dunno, is 100 mistakes good enuff for you? 100 Bush Suckage Points



He also doubles as a chimp.

Dude, you're awesome.

Here's another.
Everyone go to google.com and look up "failure".

[WildGriffin]

The monkies are fairly high in their awesomeness levels.

[Spirited Away]

Dubya is a sack of shizit. the list of things he's done wrong is far too long to list. Even that bloody patriot act is worth impeachment, considering all of the encroachments it has on the bill of rights, such as jail without trial, restriction of freedom of speech, among others. All in the name of HOMELAND SECURITY. bullsh*t! thats how hitler came to power. the reichstag was set on fire, which may have been intentionally done by hitler's followers, and he then declared a state of emergency and took power. does anyone else see that? I can't trust a religious zealot who acts like an ape. anyone is better than bush.

was that too long?

VISIT moveon.org to take our country back.

I don't think you can compare Bush to Hitler and get away with it.

First of all, we live in a free country, and we have the right to believe what we want. If Bush sucks for you because you just simply feel that way, that's fine and dandy. But saying that Bush sucks because of Home Land Security is kind of silly.

After 9/11, I felt so insecure, and questioned how could those killers get through our defenses. Well, the answer was simple: our defenses wasn't that hard to crack through. I for once, feel safer with HomeLand Security.

And like Jose said, I don't think anyone could've done better than Bush when 9/11 occured.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like him much, but I can't find any of these Bush-bashing justifiable.

[WhiteChocolate]

everybody go to google.com and look up "Losers who have no life that live to bash the best president we've had in perhaps a century."

You do realize that Bush is beating Kerry in the polls...? So despite the fact that all you democrats might have a louder voice....the republicans are amassing....dun dun DUN!

And I have no idea how I was "Bashing my own arguments"

[whomps]

everybody go to google.com and look up "Losers who have no life that live to bash the best president we've had in perhaps a century."

You do realize that Bush is beating Kerry in the polls...? So despite the fact that all you democrats might have a louder voice....the republicans are amassing....dun dun DUN!

And I have no idea how I was "Bashing my own arguments"

I'm not sure I even like Kerry.

I'm pretty damn sure I don't like Bush.

[Spirited Away]

hey, what has he done for the poor people?

Dude, what do you want to be done for the poor people?

Give them more funds for welfare and let them sit on their arses?

I'm not saying that all are like that, but I find that a lot of "low income" families are actually more well off than I am.

This huge deficit we have is also partly from increase in medicare and welfare program fundings.

[WildGriffin]

everybody go to google.com and look up "Losers who have no life that live to bash the best president we've had in perhaps a century." You do realize that Bush is beating Kerry in the polls...? So despite the fact that all you democrats might have a louder voice....the republicans are amassing....dun dun DUN! And I have no idea how I was "Bashing my own arguments"

waiiiiittt...did you just call ME a loser and BUSH the best president in a century?

You got some explaining to do. What makes Bush the best president, huh?

And what makes you think calling me a loser pushes your weak ass argument?

And bringing up the fact that Bush didnt rightfully win the presidency when nobody even mentioned it when you're trying to defend Bush doesn't help your "pro bush" argument.

Way to fizzle out.

[strice]

best?! are you kidding me? please, do outline the merits of emperor bush.

[WildGriffin]

white's only argument is that Bush handled 9/11...any president coulda handled it...and probably would've done a better job.

[strice]

my ass could have done a better job.

[WildGriffin]

Dubya is a sack of shizit. the list of things he's done wrong is far too long to list. Even that bloody patriot act is worth impeachment, considering all of the encroachments it has on the bill of rights, such as jail without trial, restriction of freedom of speech, among others. All in the name of HOMELAND SECURITY. bullsh*t! thats how hitler came to power. the reichstag was set on fire, which may have been intentionally done by hitler's followers, and he then declared a state of emergency and took power. does anyone else see that? I can't trust a religious zealot who acts like an ape. anyone is better than bush.

I liked the Reichstag comparison. Terrorism, even though it was faked made Hitler the man he was. Bush wasn't such hot sh!t before 9/11.

[strice]

where did the conservatives go

[Spirited Away]

Bush wasn't such hot sh!t before 9/11.

Right, but I still sort of respected him for it.

Being President isn't such an easy job. A lot of them age so quickly while in office. Give them some credit.

[WildGriffin]

where did the conservatives go

Man, none of the heavy weight arguers turned out. All we got was chump change. Or maybe they're thinking up a rebuttal to type tomorrow....or they're typing as we speak oror,they went to sleep. there's a good side to everything, i'm sure somebody will whoop my anti-Bush ass tomorrow in an argument.

[casssy]

He's slow, but he doesn't suck.
Let's see you handle something as big as 9/11 and pass with flying colors.

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

I agree with you JOse

[triipinfserious]

okay think about this ... if you ask 100 people "who was a better president bush or clinton" i think 75% would say clinton [if you polled nuetral sides ... not demacrates or republicans] ... i believe they would say that because CLINTON DIDN`T HAVE TO DEAL WITH JACK! `dn it olny looks like bush sucks `cause he has WAY TO MUCH TO DEAL WITH ! haha so yueah i`m with bush (=

[*Kathleen*]

Man, none of the heavy weight arguers turned out. All we got was chump change. Or maybe they're thinking up a rebuttal to type tomorrow....or they're typing as we speak oror,they went to sleep. there's a good side to everything, i'm sure somebody will whoop my anti-Bush ass tomorrow in an argument.

Hey now, don't start this...it seems like you're about to bash people. Sometimes people don't have time, you know?

Also, I have seen nothing to argue as of yet. I don't agree that Bush has been the best president in the past century, but he is doing good. At least he doesn't blantanly contradict himself or throws another man's medals. Come on. Furthermore, Kerry doesn't have a definite plan of doing things. Why not just let Bush finish what he started? He's the only one out of the two of them that actually know what's going on. Are you going to sit there and tell me that Al Gore would've handled 9/11 and Iraq better than Bush? He probably would've ran to a corner and hugged a tree or something.

[WildGriffin]

I think Gore would've handled 9/11 better..probably better chances of catching Osama. Cause, ya know, he wouldn't have diverted resources away from Afgahnistan to fight a war in Iraq under false pretenses. Iraq wouldn't even be an issue. And the army that Bush is doing so lovely with is the one Clinton spent time building.

Furthermore, Bush's policies are just pushing us further down as everyone's enemy. Clinton actually was a good president, and (me thinks) lieing about sex is the lesser of two evils when Bush decided to lie about WMDs.

okay think about this ... if you ask 100 people "who was a better president bush or clinton" i think 75% would say clinton [if you polled nuetral sides ... not demacrates or republicans] ... i believe they would say that because CLINTON DIDN`T HAVE TO DEAL WITH JACK! `dn it olny looks like bush sucks `cause he has WAY TO MUCH TO DEAL WITH ! haha so yueah i`m with bush (=

Yeah, that's right. Hey choose to deal with Iraq. Afgahnistan wasn't such a big deal, so you can't really attribute Bush's hardships to terrorism. Bush is chooseing to send our country into debt. He also should've persuaded some allies to help instead of making the US the main force in Iraq. But see...most people knew it was a bad idea. But hey, when a country falsely elects a former drunk/duty ditcher/crappy student, what can you expect?

He's slow, but he doesn't suck.
Let's see you handle something as big as 9/11 and pass with flying colors.

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

The problem is he coulda passed with flying colors...but he moved on to Iraq for God knows what reason (fighting daddies lost war?). Man, if we used the amount of resources he uses in Iraq to fight terrorism...well...there'd be a little less terrorism.

Man, none of the heavy weight arguers turned out. All we got was chump change. Or maybe they're thinking up a rebuttal to type tomorrow....or they're typing as we speak  oror,they went to sleep. there's a good side to everything, i'm sure somebody will whoop my anti-Bush ass tomorrow in an argument.

This kid is a stupid head. Who's he callin chump change? He should prolly apologize. Sorry.

[F_L_I_P]

Hmmmm...i sont know he did lead us to war just to get revenge for his father...i heared

[dani41790]

Well, I blame him for the war and that leading to the budget deficit. I mean, if he didn't have this war and use so much money on it, I think that many more people would support him.

yep thats pretty much wat i waz gna sae

[Jiggapin0]

Bush does not suck especially well-trimmed bush. I love bush.....oh wait a second....haha....you're talkin' about PRESIDENT Bush. Yeah, Bush is the easiest President to make fun of. He makes me wish Will Ferrell was still on SNL to impersonate his ass.

[Mireh]

BUSH SO DOES NOT SUCK!!!

omfg! I'm so tired of all these Bush Bashers!

Just because he has a bad rep, does NOT mean that he sucks! Seriously.

I don't blame him for starting the war either, if we had antother president, he would have done the same as bush did, -send troops out.

By the way, lets see you guys try to take over as president. It isn't as easy as you think.

[Spirited Away]

I disagree with you. Name a few LOGICAL ways Gore could've handled things better with 9/11. And if Osama is in hiding, how on earth do you supposed Bush and Gore find him? Fly over there and do the search themselves? It's the FBI and troops who are trying there darnest to find that coward. I don't think either one of them could change what happened or handled it a better way. If you list that Bush should not have gone to war and called a better solution, I wouldn't even count it.

As for Clinton, OF COURSE people liked him. The economy was soaring while he was in office, and it only luck, as no one can control the economy. I happen to be a ardent Clinton fan myself, but I didn't like the way he dealt with Korea's threat.

This kid is a stupid head. Who's he callin chump change? He should prolly apologize. Sorry.

I sort of agree there... who's he to be calling names.

[Fe_LL]

Hey choose to deal with Iraq. Afgahnistan wasn't such a big deal, so you can't really attribute Bush's hardships to terrorism.

Its Afghanistan not Afgahnistan.

Why would someone choose to deal with Iraq? We were attacked. We attack back. Right? I also remember learning that Clinton had also heard what the Iraqi’s or Osama was planning on terrorism and didn't do anything about it.

Why exactly do you dislike the president so much? He's our president. He's taking care of the America almost by himself. I don't see how he can suck. Someone who became president and has so many supporters that Bush is beating Kerry in the poles can not suck.

Question, where do you get your information? The newspapers? The radio?

[*instantmusic*]

im not at liberty to say. he's my boss now. . yay bush. go bush.. yeah.. um.. yeah .

[WildGriffin]

Question, where do you get your information? The newspapers? The radio?

Alright, I hope you arn't trying to push this in a "well your sources are wrong" cause it's not like you have inside information on anything. Rather pointless question actually, where else would one get there information?

Its Afghanistan not Afgahnistan.

It doesn't matter, you knew what I meant and pointing it out just made you look like a pious arse.

Why would someone choose to deal with Iraq? We were attacked. We attack back. Right?

We were never attacked by Iraq. Bush lied about WMDs that never existed.

Name a few LOGICAL ways Gore could've handled things better with 9/11.

Gore could have not diverted forces away from Afghanistan to pursue Saddam under false pretenses. Logical enough?

Just because he has a bad rep, does NOT mean that he sucks! Seriously.

Having a good rep would make someone NOT suck, so yeah. Having a bad rep does make him suck.

By the way, lets see you guys try to take over as president. It isn't as easy as you think.

We arn't president material and we know it. Bush is an idiot for not realising what we've come to realise, that if you don't have the brains for the job you probably shouldn't run.

Someone who became president and has so many supporters that Bush is beating Kerry in the poles can not suck.

Yeah, republicans kinda have to support him..or else they wouldn't be republicans.

The real problem is that too many people are confusing Afghanistan and Iraq as one war, cause its all in the middle east. We had a legit reason for Afghanistan, we were lied to in order to support Iraq.

[*CJ1*]

He does suck, but give him a break! He has to balance controling the country, Iraq (sorta), his family, and lots of other things. It puts a lot of stress. Sure, he might've made a few mistakes, but who hasn't?

[WildGriffin]

I'm just pissed off that he made the presidency. He's so not qualified for any leadership position, sheesh. He sucked at school, he was a drunk, and ditched his responsibilities. He handled being Governer as Texas alright i suppose, but he shouldn't be president now or ever again. He just isnt president material.

[*kryogenix*]

no, the president is a great president and he will win the upcoming re election. you ignore all of the great things he has done because people like you guys enjoy making fun of people who can't answer back.

strice, i'm here

[strice]

hey wild, i'm back.

I doubt that any other president without oil powered agendas would have touched iraq. We had no solid evidence to go an invade iraq, and thats why the whole damn world hates us even MORE.

Bush's mistakes are not the, "ooh come on everybody makes mistakes" sort of mistakes. They are more along the lines of "WHAT THE F*CK ARE YOU THINKING?!" anyone who follows world events could see where everythign was going and it would go down in flames.

[WildGriffin]

no, the president is a great president and he will win the upcoming re election. you ignore all of the great things he has done

what great things has he done?

[WildGriffin]

I doubt that any other president without oil powered agendas would have touched iraq. We had no solid evidence to go an invade iraq, and thats why the whole damn world hates us even MORE.

Bush's mistakes are not the, "ooh come on everybody makes mistakes" sort of mistakes. They are more along the lines of "WHAT THE F*CK ARE YOU THINKING?!" anyone who follows world events could see where everythign was going and it would go down in flames.

True That.

[*Kathleen*]

Okay, with the weapons of mass destruction, what would you rather us do? Sit there, twiddling our thumbs, hoping they don't have them? If he didn't have them, why was he being so incooperative?

Also, people change...you say that Clinton shouldn't be hated because he did something bad...I agree...it was in his past...same thing with Bush...it's in his past...how are you going to stick up for that fact with being biased like that?

[strice]

Okay, with the weapons of mass destruction, what would you rather us do? Sit there, twiddling our thumbs, hoping they don't have them? If he didn't have them, why was he being so incooperative?

Also, people change...you say that Clinton shouldn't be hated because he did something bad...I agree...it was in his past...same thing with Bush...it's in his past...how are you going to stick up for that fact with being biased like that?

yes, people seem to say that to me. but did anyone else notice that iraq really had no way out? we said, "if you have WMDs, we'll invade you". so they didn't find any, so they say, " hey! bring out the wmds or we'll invade you! " obviously, there was no real solution for iraq. they dont' have them, they get invaded. they have them, they get invaded.

[WildGriffin]

Okay, with the weapons of mass destruction, what would you rather us do? Sit there, twiddling our thumbs, hoping they don't have them? If he didn't have them, why was he being so incooperative?

Also, people change...you say that Clinton shouldn't be hated because he did something bad...I agree...it was in his past...same thing with Bush...it's in his past...how are you going to stick up for that fact with being biased like that?

Yeah, WMDs are scary things. But he didnt say "hey, we're gonna invade cause they might have em, is that cool?". he said "they have em, we have proof, we're goin in". Saddam was allowing UN troops to search where ever the hell they wanted. That lasted for a couple months, the UN concluded he didn't have WMDs, Bush went against it. Saddam was very cooperative, the only uncooperative thing he did was not turn himself over to Bush.

I think Bush's multiple counts of drunk driving = Clintons affair. They'd be even in my eyes...if Bush didnt further lie about WMDs and start a faux war.

[strice]

well, i'd sooner trust a pervert than an alcoholic.

[Spirited Away]

they dont' have them, they get invaded. they have them, they get invaded.

Saddam was the one who boasted that he has WMD.

[*kryogenix*]

what great things has he done?

he's pursued the terrorists in their homeland. he's fixing the recession that former president Bill Clinton left us in. he's liberated Iraq from an evil dicatator.

Yeah, WMDs are scary things. But he didnt say "hey, we're gonna invade cause they might have em, is that cool?". he said "they have em, we have proof, we're goin in". Saddam was allowing UN troops to search where ever the hell they wanted. That lasted for a couple months, the UN concluded he didn't have WMDs, Bush went against it. Saddam was very cooperative, the only uncooperative thing he did was not turn himself over to Bush.

I think Bush's multiple counts of drunk driving = Clintons affair. They'd be even in my eyes...if Bush didnt further lie about WMDs and start a faux war.

no, if you remember, there was a time when saddam kicked out inspectors. in that time period, plants could have been cleaned and weapons could have been removed.

the difference between the drunk driving and clinton's affair was that the dwi wasn't during Bush's presidency. He didn't lie about it either. Clinton got into an affair during his presidency and he lied about it UNDER OATH. so clinton's affair > bush's dwi.

well, i'd sooner trust a pervert than an alcoholic.

Bush wasn't an alchoholic.

[WildGriffin]

Saddam was the one who boasted that he has WMD.

Kim Jong boasts about them too, you don't see us whooping his ass.

[WildGriffin]

he's pursued the terrorists in their homeland. he's fixing the recession that former president Bill Clinton left us in. he's liberated Iraq from an evil dicatator.

He never did catch the one terrorist that anyone gave a sh!t about. He put us into the recession, Clinton was one of the best financial presidents ever. he didn't liberate anyone, so the Iraqs say.

the difference between the drunk driving and clinton's affair was that the dwi wasn't during Bush's presidency. He didn't lie about it either. Clinton got into an affair during his presidency and he lied about it UNDER OATH. so clinton's affair > bush's dwi.

Bush's dwi(s). Bush's lieing about WMDs and leading a nation to a finacially crippling war is a greater evil then Clinton's lieing about a blowjob.

[Spirited Away]

Kim Jong boasts about them too, you don't see us whooping his ass.

Because when the whole problem reached its heights, Clinton gave them money to shut them up.

Bush wasn't in power then.

And even if they still do boasts about them, what can we do now that we're already at war? Do you really want us to divide our forces?

What would war with Korea achieve anyway?

They haven't given any real justifiable reason for us to fight them.

of course he sucks. i hat ebush i hate bush. today is ss my teach was tryin to relate china's cultural revolution to something in america. he said maybe we would follow the president.
the whole class boooed and i said that i would never follow that [bastard] meaney!! the whole class totalley agreed!!

[WildGriffin]

And even if they still do boasts about them, what can we do now that we're already at war? Do you really want us to divide our forces?

We succesfully divided our forces between Iraq and Afghanistan, why not do it again with North Korea? I'm not in support of invading N.Korea though.

What would war with Korea achieve anyway?

The same thing that war with Iraq is achieveing, one less nut in the world and no more fear of WMDs that may or may not exist. No oil though :(

They haven't given any real justifiable reason for us to fight them.

The reasons they're showing are the same as Iraqs. It's all about Bush's hidden agendas.

[Spirited Away]

He never did catch the one terrorist that anyone gave a sh!t about. He put us into the recession, Clinton was one of the best financial presidents ever. he didn't liberate anyone, so the Iraqs say.


Bush's dwi(s). Bush's lieing about WMDs and leading a nation to a finacially crippling war is a greater evil then Clinton's lieing about a blowjob.

YOu make this sound soooo incredibly easy, as if anyone can do it.

The FBI is doing the investigation and troops are the one hunting him down, what does it has anything to do with Bush except that he's the driving force behind it.

I agree that Clinton was very good in dealing with money, but I felt that he wasn't all that great with dealing with threats.

Um, by the way, it wasn't only a blowjob... Haha, you understate the whole situation here. The Presidential office will never be the same because of Clinton. He changed how people, foreign nations view America.

War, other Presidents have declared wars, I don' t see you making a big deal out of them. The problem with money for this war is only a concern because of the deficit problem, which wasn't all Bush's doings. Otherwise, wars are supposed to cost money!

[Spirited Away]

We succesfully divided our forces between Iraq and Afghanistan, why not do it again with North Korea? I'm not in support of invading N.Korea though.

Britain lost America because she divided her forces up while fighting with the settlers. History has proven that a great force a power, once divided, will do not much good.

The same thing that war with Iraq is achieveing, one less nut in the world and no more fear of WMDs that may or may not exist. No oil though :(

Not really the same thing. We deal more with Iraq because Saddam seemed to be supporting terrorists by monetary means. But you're right! No oil!

Edit:: Ah! I double posted again! So, so sorry!!!

[WildGriffin]

The FBI is doing the investigation and troops are the one hunting him down, what does it has anything to do with Bush except that he's the driving force behind it.

Bush being the driving force is exactly his role in this whole mess. Bush would rather spend more time and energy fighting in Iraq for reasons unknown then search for terrorists. Bush is trying, but he isn't trying his hardest.

Britain lost America because she divided her forces up while fighting with the settlers. History has proven that a great force a power, once divided, will do not much good.

The British lost because America had a strong enough passion against them to defeat them. The Iraq people are on the same path, they really don't enjoy us being there. When rival factions join up to fight what they think is a greater evil, there's a definent problem. And the British people were losing intrest in America, they really didn't give a sh!t about some rebelling settlement. Americans are losing intrest in the Iraq war as well.

Um, by the way, it wasn't only a blowjob... Haha, you understate the whole situation here. The Presidential office will never be the same because of Clinton. He changed how people, foreign nations view America.

Clinton also had some of the best foreign relations, foreign relations that Bush is destroying.

War, other Presidents have declared wars, I don' t see you making a big deal out of them.

I find it hard to make a big deal of something that isn't currently happening or ever happened during my life time. I strongly oppose the vietnam war though. Instead of "WMDs", it was "Spooky Communism".

Edit:: Ah! I double posted again! So, so sorry!!! 

Nothing wrong with double posting in a debate forum. we all forget to add stuff.

[*kryogenix*]

He never did catch the one terrorist that anyone gave a sh!t about. He put us into the recession, Clinton was one of the best financial presidents ever. he didn't liberate anyone, so the Iraqs say.

here's one:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/sout...indon.marriott/

face it. the recession started at the end of clinton's final term. listen to financial radio. Clinton ignored the Tyco's. He ignored the Enron's. He ignored the WorldCom's. The Arthur Andersen's. He turned the other way when businesses were cheating.

Bush's dwi(s). Bush's lieing about WMDs and leading a nation to a finacially crippling war is a greater evil then Clinton's lieing about a blowjob.

you can't prove he lied.

[Spirited Away]

Bush being the driving force is exactly his role in this whole mess. Bush would rather spend more time and energy fighting in Iraq for reasons unknown then search for terrorists. Bush is trying, but he isn't trying his hardest.

I don't think he can try any harder if he wanted to... if he do anymore, it might upset the polls that he's currently winning.

The British lost because America had a strong enough passion against them to defeat them.

Heh, gotta hand it to Americans... But anyway, I believe the strong spirit of freedom is only a part of it. Britain was the world power, if they wanted to crush our 13 colonies, they could've done so.

The Iraq people are on the same path, they really don't enjoy us being there. When rival factions join up to fight what they think is a greater evil, there's a definent problem.

Well, to tell you the truth... before the beheading incident, I sort of wished that now that Saddam's out of the picture, we shouldn't have such a heavy concentration of US troops in Iraq... but now that it happened, it only makes me feel glad that we're still there. They may feel that US is a greater evil, but I feel that they're the ones hiding the greater evil.

And the British people were losing intrest in America, they really didn't give a sh!t about some rebelling settlement.

Really, I thought they were still so interested in that gold, and tax money.

Clinton also had some of the best foreign relations, foreign relations that Bush is destroying.

I don't doubt the wonders Clinton did, but I still do not approve how he dealt with threats.

I strongly oppose the vietnam war though. Instead of "WMDs", it was "Spooky Communism".

It was an attempt to contain communism.. too bad it didn't work (a very personal, and biased opinion)

Nothing wrong with double posting in a debate forum.

I hope not. I see new stuff posted and i get eager to write more.

[DIRTYdirt]

YES!!!, he sucks.. isn't it weird that when he cam to office all these wars started?... 9/11, iraq, sadam.. When Bush dad, who use to be president too, was in power, he made a lot of enemnies. Now that his son is in power they are taking revenge. The only way we could help this is vote him out of office and vote a democrat in !... so everybody go vote, if you can,

[WildGriffin]

here's one:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/sout...indon.marriott/

when i was refering to the "one terrorist that anyone gives a sh!t about", i thought i obviously meant Osama. You go up to an average joe schmo on the street and ask which terroist they care about getting, they'd say Osama.

Clinton ignored the Tyco's. He ignored the Enron's. He ignored the WorldCom's. The Arthur Andersen's. He turned the other way when businesses were cheating.

Ya know, Republicans are notoriously known for supporting big buisness and look the other way when they do something wrong. Also, most of Bushs tax programs favored these big buisnesses and the rich.

you can't prove he lied.

You can't prove he didn't.
See, that kind of argument gets noone anywhere. People apply that same argument to "you can't prove God exists" and..others.

[WildGriffin]

Really, I thought they were still so interested in that gold, and tax money.

I meant the average British person. It's the same with the average American and how he/she doesn't give a crap about oil.

[Spirited Away]

I meant the average British person. It's the same with the average American and how he/she doesn't give a crap about oil.

Hey Hey! I give a crap!

I don't want to pay $100 per gallon.

[WildGriffin]

*edit: control of oil. i dont care who controls it as long as we get a reasonable price...which is dictated by OPEC anyways.

[strice]

i just think its funny that the americans condemn the guerilla tactics employed by the iraqis while the revolutionary americans did the same against another opressive, imperialistic power.

[juliar]

You can't prove he didn't.
See, that kind of argument gets noone anywhere. People apply that same argument to "you can't prove God exists" and..others.

Well, isn't there an innocent until proven guilty thing? He didn't do anything, can't prove he lied.

YES!!!, he sucks.. isn't it weird that when he cam to office all these wars started?... 9/11, iraq, sadam.. When Bush dad, who use to be president too, was in power, he made a lot of enemnies. Now that his son is in power they are taking revenge. The only way we could help this is vote him out of office and vote a democrat in !... so everybody go vote, if you can,

Well, he has fallen unluckily into this time. He was elected, wrong time. I really doubt he would have started a whole new war 4 years from then. The conflict between Afghanistan and Iraq and America would PROBABLY be over, and he wouldn't have to do all of this, therefore not having a bad rep, and he would be able to care more for the things that concern national problems instead of international.
Sorry if that didn't make any sense.

[WildGriffin]

i just think its funny that the americans condemn the guerilla tactics employed by the iraqis while the revolutionary americans did the same against another opressive, imperialistic power.

When the chips are down, people resort to stuff. This usually happens when an aggressor goes on someone else's home turf. vietnam, the french resistence, iraq, and countless others.

[strice]

he wasn't elected.

[*kryogenix*]

when i was refering to the "one terrorist that anyone gives a sh!t about", i thought i obviously meant Osama. You go up to an average joe schmo on the street and ask which terroist they care about getting, they'd say Osama.

ah, i must have missed the word "the." sorry.

Bush hasn't caught Osama, but neither did Bill Clinton. And you're not complaining about him right?

Ya know, Republicans are notoriously known for supporting big buisness and look the other way when they do something wrong. Also, most of Bushs tax programs favored these big buisnesses and the rich.

but he's not letting them cheat. i don't think Republicans are notorious for that. it's just a liberal ploy to hurt the conservative image.

You can't prove he didn't.
See, that kind of argument gets noone anywhere. People apply that same argument to "you can't prove God exists" and..others.

he didn't lie about it. i'm sorry, i meant to add more. but i had to leave so i was going to continue the thought later. really all you can say is the the weapons haven't been found yet. the question is not whether or not there where weapons, the question is where are the weapons. in Syria? sold on the black market?

[T00000]

Well, isn't there an innocent until proven guilty thing? He didn't do anything, can't prove he lied.

Alright then, if that's the rule that applies, maybe he shouldn't have invaded Iraq claiming that they had weapons of mass destruction, while there was NO proof!!!! Right honey? Innocent until proven guilty? Yes let's not get hypocritical now...

[WildGriffin]

Bush hasn't caught Osama, but neither did Bill Clinton. And you're not complaining about him right?

Osama didn't kill 3000 Americans when Clinton was in office and the warnings concerning him weren't at such a frenzy as they were a month before 9/11

really all you can say is the the weapons haven't been found yet. the question is not whether or not there where weapons, the question is where are the weapons. in Syria? sold on the black market?

We arn't in Syria or where ever the black market thrives, we're still in Iraq fighting and were lead there believeing we'd find WMDs.

*heads up for tboltzbabe, she may be new but i've seen her open a couple cans of whoop ass and nay-say.

[juliar]

Alright then, if that's the rule that applies, maybe he shouldn't have invaded Iraq claiming that they had weapons of mass destruction, while there was NO proof!!!!   Right honey?  Innocent until proven guilty?  Yes let's not get hypocritical now...

Oh man. Got me there.
You're right, WildGriffin.

[onenonly101]

hey, what has he done for the poor people?

ugh don't even get me started with that one

[Spirited Away]

he wasn't elected.

I think you meant he wasn't elected by the people...

because he was elected in his party as a candidate to run for presidency.

Alright then, if that's the rule that applies, maybe he shouldn't have invaded Iraq claiming that they had weapons of mass destruction, while there was NO proof!!!! Right honey? Innocent until proven guilty? Yes let's not get hypocritical now...

But I thought there were proofs that he supported terrorists with money.

[WildGriffin]

But I thought there were proofs that he supported terrorists with money.

Nope, just false associations.

[Spirited Away]

Nope, just false associations.

Saddam supports terrorists when it suits his plans. He offers $25,000 payments to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers that can kill Israelis. And remember that Israelies are on friendly terms with the US.

In killing him, we've helped to uphold 17 United nations resolutions, which are international laws. He also killed millions of Iraqis.

[WildGriffin]

In killing him, we've helped to uphold 17 United nations resolutions, which are international laws.

There are over a thousand United Nations resolutions, i could probably uphold twice as many while picking my nose. He most likely broke many more, and as i recall the UN condemned Bush's actions.

Saddam supports terrorists when it suits his plans.

So do we, we helped Al Queda when they were fighting communists; which most defienetly suited America's plans at the time. I'm sure the Russians views them as "terrorists".

And remember that Israelies are on friendly terms with the US.

Not exactly friendly, more "tolerant". Anyways, being tolerant of a certain country doesn't mean said country becomes an extension of the U.S. Attributing Saddam's support of suicide bombers towards attacking Isrealies as an attack on America is a very very loose association. Actually, it's non-existent. Almost...a false association.

He also killed millions of Iraqis.

About 1.26 million by this guy's count, not quite "millions" but close. No doubt that Saddam was a mad man, but most of these deaths were from his on going wars. He executed about 9000, 2000 as political rivals and 7000 in "prison cleansings".

*i'll catch ya tomorrow, i gotta get some sleep. it's been a good day in arguements and such

[*NatiMarie*]

Bush does suck, we should have another president. Someone smart, someone loyal to their country, someone great and just has a great personality-->me.
=)
j/k
Yeah, I don't know. I don't like Bush because of the War of Iraq thing. I'm so proud of myself because I did a report on this and let me paste down some of what I wrote in my report. Yay! *feels smart for once*

The only person deciding for this war of Iraq, at this moment, is George Bush. His decision is based on the fear of Iraq having weapons of mass destruction. The article called “The Blame Game”, by David Corn, states that George Bush “…claimed a 1998 International Atomic Energy Agency report had said Iraq was six months away from producing a bomb,” (Corn 14). The awkwardness of this account is that no such report existed, and in 1998, the IAEA said that its inspectors “…destroyed the known components of Iraq’s nuclear weapons program,” (Corn 14). The question of this matter is why did Bush make this assumption without having the facts corrected? The U.S. senators are also questioning this decision of his. They are also doubtful of some of his decisions and whether it will lead to a better or worse future for fellow countries (i.e.: Iraq). In the article in Reuters entitled, “Senators Argue Over Iraq as Next Vietnam,” some of the U.S. senators were arguing if the conflict of Iraq was becoming the next Vietnam. Here it is shown how George Bush has the most power of decision and many even pointed out that Iraq was “George Bush’s Vietnam.”

[Spirited Away]

There are over a thousand United Nations resolutions, i could probably uphold twice as many while picking my nose. He most likely broke many more, and as i recall the UN condemned Bush's actions.

Dang, I digged my own grave arguing with you..

Haha, read this when you wake up then

The UN isn't a very good example, because I'm about to pound on them... they most likely condemmed Bush because they feared America's plans for those oil fields. Britain supports us though right? And Spain too in the begining.

As for Al Queda, I don't think America could've forsee what they'll be today. We also helped Saddam rise to power, but those were mistakes that we could not have predicted.

And as for Israel, we were on friendly terms, but lately it has turned to 'tolerant' in the news. But even though it is not an extension of the US, we still have relations with them because they're most likely the closest country we can call our ally in the Mid East. And as "allies" we need to 'back each other up'.

Anyway, see you tomorrow.

[Spirited Away]

Bush does suck, we should have another president. Someone smart, someone loyal to their country, someone great and just has a great personality-->me.
=)
j/k
Yeah, I don't know. I don't like Bush because of the War of Iraq thing. I'm so proud of myself because I did a report on this and let me paste down some of what I wrote in my report. Yay! *feels smart for once*

Even though I don't agree with your report, I like it.

[immersion31]

u ppl are blaming him for the iraq thingy, well, if 50 thousand americans died, wut else was he supposed to do, jus say "o wow that sucks" and not do nething? jus think that weeks after 9/11 americans wanted justice, and now wen we are doing it they dont want it ne more

[T00000]

u ppl are blaming him for the iraq thingy, well, if 50 thousand americans died, wut else was he supposed to do, jus say "o wow that sucks" and not do nething? jus think that weeks after 9/11 americans wanted justice, and now wen we are doing it they dont want it ne more

wow those who like bush should shoot you in the head and spit on you! you just totally embarassed your entire view. how old are you? 12? the IRAQ THINGY? well i am hoping i'm the first to inform you that Iraq had nothing to do with September 11th. NOTHING. most people on "your side" know this too!! shiiiiiiiiit haha shame on you

I'll tell you what he should have done. He should have captured the people responsible for this!! duhh... but Iraq? Mmmm.... unrelated.

[NatoBoy]

ya i dont like bush...he waged a war against iraq and totally killed our economy, many ppl are losing jobs and getting layed off from their work. not able to support their child becuz of no job..

[azndragn]

i think everyone should just leave him alone....he is the president of the united states of america.....whether u voted for him or not....he is president.....he is doing his job.....some people may not like it...thats just tough.....what would u rather have him do? sit in his office and do nothing at all? i dont get it.....this nation will never be pleased....alwayse wanting something more and always critiquing other people...why cant people stop judging others? that is God's job....not yours

[strice]

Actually, i would rather have him do nothing at all. its like a kid with a toy he's trying to fix but only making it worse.

[T00000]

Actually, i would rather have him do nothing at all. its like a kid with a toy he's trying to fix but only making it worse.

haha exactly. smart man i like you!

[WildGriffin]

why cant people stop judging others? that is God's job....not yours

It's not God's job to choose our leaders, it's been shown not to be his job to punish people (that just leads to alot of waiting), and I don't think any government has the mandate of heaven; so God doesn't fit into the equation.

this nation will never be pleased....alwayse wanting something more and always critiquing other people...

Yeah, this nation does want more. It wants to better itself and the current president we have isn't exactly helping that. Well maybe he's helping it grow in some ways, but not the right ways. Being overly content with your government is a good way to pave a road towards oppression.

[onenonly101]

This is my opinion.

Bush does not suck. People want to blame him for the failing economy, look up the facts it was failing before he got into office. It was going to happening no matter what. The defecit. Every president has a defecit during his turn. That is just the way things are. First off, it is not Bush. Bush is a face for us to look at. The peioke behind him are the ones who make the decisions. His cabinent, OUR representatvie that WE vote into office. If you want to say someone sucks, go call up your representative and tell him/her that. That would make much more sense than blaming it all on Bush.

[juliar]

Alright then, if that's the rule that applies, maybe he shouldn't have invaded Iraq claiming that they had weapons of mass destruction, while there was NO proof!!!! Right honey? Innocent until proven guilty? Yes let's not get hypocritical now...

Ahh, jsut got one.
But he FIRST sent in the U.N. officers to inspect, and Saddam refused to allow them in certain areas, therefore he probably had them.

[juliar]

[Sorry for the double post.]
In times of danger, Bush took a policy of precautions. If we had waited for Saddam to attack us with biological and nuclear weapons, we would probably blame him even more for that. He's trying to do his job and keep the country safe.

Man it's hard to take a viewpoint which I don't agree very much with. But hey, as kryo said, i take too many anti-US stands.

[WildGriffin]

But he FIRST sent in the U.N. officers to inspect, and Saddam refused to allow them in certain areas, therefore he probably had them.

Faulty logic, perhaps Saddam didn't want them all up in his shiznit? Anywho, Saddam let them search later on, like for 2 months before the war and they found nothing...they didnt even find WMD components. Saddam is a hard man to work with, but we still didn't find anything indicating that he had WMDs.

In times of danger, Bush took a policy of precautions. If we had waited for Saddam to attack us with biological and nuclear weapons, we would probably blame him even more for that. He's trying to do his job and keep the country safe.

Dont' let yourself get confused, we knew he didn't have the capabilities to get his WMDs over here even if he did have them. We were worried that he would attack other countries close to him with them. So it wasn't exactly us defending ourselves, is was more us playing international police....to a made up threat pushed around by some drunk with an agenda.

[juliar]

Dont' let yourself get confused, we knew he didn't have the capabilities to get his WMDs over here even if he did have them. We were worried that he would attack other countries close to him with them. So it wasn't exactly us defending ourselves, is was more us playing international police....to a made up threat pushed around by some drunk with an agenda.

Someone has to be international police, don't they? Such as, if on the road some drunk guy was swerving, but didn't hit anyone yet, and the police was right behind them, wouldn't they stop the drunk one? The same is here. Saddam is FLAUNTING that he has WMDs, or so I heard. Obviously Bush would need to check up on this, and if he refuses to turn over his "shiznit", we must take a precaution and attack before they do.
And didn't they have chemical/biological weapons? Not sure.

[*Kathleen*]

Just to add to that, Julia, if we don't watch out for the countries around us, we'd get sucked in anyways, and it could've turned out to be a worse outcome.

[WildGriffin]

Someone has to be international police, don't they?

That's the problem. The world didn't elect us international police, we just keeping forceing what we want on other's. The world wants the UN as the international police...but we keep going against there wishes.

And Kim Jong is flaunting his WMDs alot louder then Saddam ever did and has about the same credibility, so that argument is lost.

[*Kathleen*]

That's the problem. The world didn't elect us international police, we just keeping forceing what we want on other's. The world wants the UN as the international police...but we keep going against there wishes.

Yes, but what if they do something wrong?

[onenonly101]

Someone has to be international police, don't they?

the thing is we are being selective international police. We help those who benefits us, of course people are more willing to help someone who will benefit them, but that shouldn't be our motive

[WildGriffin]

Yes, but what if they do something wrong?

Hey, if i could set up a plan for world functionality, i'd be a leader. But the point is the UN didnt doing anything wrong and going to war with Iraq wasn't the solution to the non-existent problem.

[*Kathleen*]

Yes, but they've never liked us...of course they're just going to shrug their shoulders when it comes to the inspections.