that's it. Options

[radhikaeatsraman]

You know what? f**k cB3. cB is perfectly fine without all this reorganization and crap. Some of our most promising subforums were deleted because of lovely Jusun. We did not need to rid ourselves of the Health, Cars or Current Events forums. I know Michael is trying to appease everyone by saying that they may come back, but let's face it; unless we start something, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO COME BACK. Jusun doesn't even come on these forums anymore; why the f**k is he making the decisions? Okay, he founded the site. That's all fine and dandy, but what about what the active members want? I unregistered because createBlog was turning into a bunch of rule Nazis and ass kissers.

But I actually gave a damn and came back for this one post. We're not asking for these forums back, we're DEMANDING them back, ¿comprende? You talk this little reorganization thing to death, I don't care. But we demand those subforums back.

-Radhika

[demolished]

I kind of understand you. That's kind of how i feel but i try to be tolerance ... however, i'm willing to see how brilliant is he ... after he's done with cb3. Let's give him a chance for cB3. If people dont like cb3, they'll complain in the feedback. Moderators will let jusun know about it.

[radhikaeatsraman]

No. I know the mods are dandy and all, but I'm not going to rely on them to talk to Jusun for people. We're not stupid, we can send multiple PMs. It just pisses me off that Jusun doesn't even f**king post here and he's making decisions that will affect the entire cB community.

If Jusun wants to make those kinds of decisions, either talk to the members or hand over the reigns to someone else who actually gives a damn.

[radhikaeatsraman]

sifshduiofhsaohfdsa.

He is asking for people's input, I see that; but he's just doing it and telling people that he did it, then letting people bitch.

[demolished]

By the way, he probably knows what he is doing, just let him do the work. You don’t know how great or crappy would cb3 look yet. Be patient for now …

Oh yeah, have you been doing enough research on Micron and what he is gonna do ?

cB3 is going to bring a lot of change, and the forums will be reorganized--heck, he's even asking for the member's input.

It's the mods that are going to have to move all those topics back to their original forums that have something to complain about.

really?

What's this?
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...opic=121126&hl=

[demolished]

How long did the thread last? He asked us on weekdays. Weekdays are school days. The majority of createBlog members’ age is range from what to what? Don’t you think that's a bit weird?

[*brownsugar08*]

...?
He asked you on weekdays?
It's not like he crossed weekends off the calendar.
And the majority of cB isn't at school 24 hours a day. That's how you get active members.

[*swtcherriipie*]

Oh no someone is upset :S

[*mipadi*]

I absolutely agree with your disappointment and anger, and I fully understand why you feel the way you do. I'd like to point out that I'm not trying to "appease" anyone by saying the issue is being discussed. It is, but nothing is completely official as of yet, and I didn't—and don't—want any of my own personal statements to turn into an official announcement.

Having made that disclaimer, understand that the recent "reorganization" came as just as much as a surprise to the staff members as it did to the regular members. Many of us were not privvy to the discussion on reorganization. I myself logged on in the morning completely surprised—and, like you, disappointed—to see whole subforums missing.

I'm sorry you felt the need to leave cB, but I personally appreciate your coming back to leave feedback. Please understand that the staff is taking the feedback of the community members very seriously; also understand that, save for the administrators, none of us can actually re-add the subforums—the most we can do is lean on those in charge. But we are taking community feedback seriously, and doing our best to adopt a quick solution that will alleviate some of the disappointment.

I can't stop you from deluging micron with PM's, but your feedback is probably best expressed in this forum, in a thread such as this. The entire staff, admins included, read these threads on a regular basis, so your feedback is both noted and appreciated, and is being taken into account.

I hope that all members will bear with us until we get a satisfactory solution sorted out. Thank you very much, and please do keep the feedback coming.

[*Programmer*]

To put an end to this arguement...all things can be edited in due time....if there is disatisfaction with the new changes jusun will be notified..one way or another....give time to let jusun release cb3....and stop complaining....

[demolished]

...?
He asked you on weekdays?
It's not like he crossed weekends off the calendar.
And the majority of cB isn't at school 24 hours a day. That's how you get active members.

It's just that, the thread last for a day o___o ... There wasnt any worthy post. We got school, homework, project, and etc. There are people who doesnt go online every single day.

[*brownsugar08*]

It's just that, the thread last for a day o___o ...

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=121271

[Retrogressive]

Their trying to make it bigger and better. Why is everyone so against it? Yes there will be glitches, but CHANGE IS GOOD.

SAY IT WITH ME.

CHANGE IS GOOD.

[demolished]

CHANGE ISNT ALWAYS GOOD. ;]


Anyways, i think micron need to provide a clear reasonings or something. OR .. is he planning to suprise us ;] People are going RAWR.

[*Programmer*]

Ok....the topic is getting off hand....Bottom line it "THINGS CAN BE EDITED IF THE MAJORITY IS DISATISFIED"

stop repeating yourself...

[yo pusha]

You know what? f**k cB3. cB is perfectly fine without all this reorganization and crap.

no, it's not. cb was noticable more and more inactive, especially in the lounge forum.

We did not need to rid ourselves of the Health, Cars or Current Events forums.

those were the three most inactive subforums, all those did was collect runaway skin cells. maybe you don't remember, but before these subforums were created, there were no complaints.

[/b] I know Michael is trying to appease everyone by saying that they may come back, but let's face it; unless we start something, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO COME BACK.

i have no problem with them not coming back

Jusun doesn't even come on these forums anymore; why the f**k is he making the decisions? Okay, he founded the site. That's all fine and dandy, but what about what the active members want? I unregistered because createBlog was turning into a bunch of rule Nazis and ass kissers.

he posted a thread asking for feedback because createblog was getting more and more dead, and the members responded.

But I actually gave a damn and came back for this one post. We're not asking for these forums back, we're DEMANDING them back, ¿comprende?

who are you? why are you able to demand these?

you talk this little reorganization thing to death, I don't care. But we demand those subforums back.

i think you are taking this a bit too seriously. this is obviously in the best interests of createblog. you are not even giving this any time to marianate. in a year or two, you will look back and laugh at how silly you are looking.

ps. u mad?


xo, steven ding

[*brownsugar08*]

^ Acutally, Writing was less active than Health...[/no point]

[demolished]

Haha, steven. You're awesome.

Current news wasnt less active at all. It's new ... then vanished.

[yo pusha]

maybe you seem to forget that the only reason that the health forum was created is because elba wanted a "sex" forum. before that, there was no health forum. the reason i don't necesarily agree with removing the writing forum is because i see nowhere else where writing might be put, nahmeen

[demolished]

"sex" forum was highly demanded/supported by people, there was craploads of pages.

Writing forum can belong to relationship forum, you know. Most writing pieces deals with people's emotions and life.

edit, steveeeeeen

[*mipadi*]

no, it's not. cb was noticable more and more inactive, especially in the lounge forum.

I disagree. The Lounge was still fairly active; besides, there's nothing wrong with keeping the active topics to the first one or two pages of the forum. Most users are not likely to scan much farther back for topics.

[yo pusha]

still, there was no complaint before elba requested one. and the only reason i "supported" it was because elba wouldnt stop pming me until i posted in there. hahah

I disagree. The Lounge was still fairly active; besides, there's nothing wrong with keeping the active topics to the first one or two pages of the forum. Most users are not likely to scan much farther back for topics.

nowhere as active as before the interests subforums were created. like jusun said, you used to have to scroll 3 or 4 pages before finding a post you created the day before. now, posts stay on the first page for more than a week without any activity in there.

Writing forum can belong to relationship forum, you know. Most writing pieces deals with people's emotions and life.

not jasons raps haha

[demolished]

lol. That goes to Entertainment.

[*mipadi*]

nowhere as active as before the interests subforums were created. like jusun said, you used to have to scroll 3 or 4 pages before finding a post you created the day before. now, posts stay on the first page for more than a week without any activity in there.

Assuming that is true, is that a bad thing? Does that not make topics easier to find? That is not an indication that activity is down; it is merely an indication is has become more localized. Click on the "View new posts" or "Today's active topics" link sometime—you'll see pages and pages of active discussion, stored nicely in a single dynamic virtual forum. That is good user interface design.

But that is assuming the truth of your statement, which I question. I often found myself having to look back onto the second or even third page for the previous day's topics, and sometimes even topics from the same day were pushed onto the second page.

Sure, now The Lounge appears to have more discussion, because going back several pages will still reveal topics from the same day or the day before. But is this a good thing? No, because people are still not likely to move beyond the first page, so only the top page of conversations are being discussed. In other words, I'd argue that there is potentially less activity now, since threads quickly get shoved to the second or even third page, and they're a lot harder to find.

[yo pusha]

Assuming that is true, is that a bad thing? Does that not make topics easier to find? That is not an indication that activity is down; it is merely an indication is has become more localized. Click on the "View new posts" or "Today's active topics" link sometime—you'll see pages and pages of active discussion, stored nicely in a single dynamic virtual forum. That is good user interface design.

i dont see why that is a bad thing. for one, users that generally post only in health or cars, are exposed to more people and a variety of topics. this allows for more community. i see this as opening up the forum and providing more community, but i can see where you are coming from. i dont think many users use the "view new posts" or "todays active topics" feature, maybe im wrong again.

No, because people are still not likely to move beyond the first page, so only the top page of conversations are being discussed. In other words, I'd argue that there is potentially less activity now, since threads quickly get shoved to the second or even third page, and they're a lot harder to find.

who are you speaking for? im not sure about the rest of cb, but i often go to the second, even third, pages for topics to post in. im not sure about the validity of your statement, but even if that was true, popular topics will remain popular topics. i mean popular threads such as "post your aim convo" and "anonymous shoutouts" will always remain, whether it is on the 1st page or 13th. if you want to post in a topic bad enough, you will find a way. lol

[Heathasm]

i actually agree with you on jusun not being active enough

cb2 didnt make the boards more active, but it made more people use the layouts we have here because its much more simple

hopefully cb3 will be another upgrade but in different aspects of the site rather than just the layouts section. though, looking back at cb2 its not very likely is it.

maybe cb would be more active IF you actually included the members on changes and ideas for building up cb. its exciting and rewarding to be apart of something like that

[radhikaeatsraman]

Well, I didn't intend to come across that way, Steven (yo pusha). But I still feel that the subforums mentioned had a lot of potential. :/

[DaTru KataLYST]

I'm inclined to go w/ Steven's point on this one.

[KissMe2408]

Radhika,
It is a shame that you unregistered from CB, because you are a great member.
And I understand your reasons for being upset about the Cars, Current Events(etc.) being taken away.
And about Jusun, please remember that he may not post a lot in the community center. But he is either active backstage, or now finishing up CB3. The fact that he even brought up a topic about making changes, and looking at the member input says something. Most people would just talk to the staff, make the changes, and not even listen to the members.
But your requests (and everyone elses) are being heard, and we KNOW that people are upset about those forums being taken away.
It is your choice whether or not to unregister, or when your time has been done here. However, I would give all this time to smoothen out.
-----------------

everyone please I beg you to be mature about this situation.
Staff is talking about all of this, so don't think that you are going unheard.
Be patient. And if something doesn't go your way in the end, i'm sorry.


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Writing forum can belong to relationship forum, you know. Most writing pieces deals with people's emotions and life.

^I fully disagree with that.

[Gigi]

Breathe in.

Breathe out.

Okay. Got your temper back in check now? Good.

You need to stop putting the blame on Jusun. If people didn't agree with him he wouldn't have done anything. It was a collective agreement, and if you actually read the topic you'd SEE that he had support for this.

And you have to have some faith in the moderators. We're not going to let something that is in high demand disappear, we WILL take everything into account. Believe me, the last thing we want is a dictatorship. I'd just appreciate it if you would be a little humanly polite about this.\


Oh, and by the way, Jusun KNOWS he's not active. Jusun KNOWS he's not up to make all these decisions, he's said so himself. The last thing he wants is to make decisions by himself, and that's also the last thing the mods want. He's perfectly knowledgeable about that.

[Just_Dream]

Heather - I can see where you're coming from. Jusun did make a lot of big decisions unexpectedly --it's not like the mods knew about this months in advance.

Personally, I think Jusun is making decisions with the best interest for cB. I'm not that active, so I guess maybe my perception is biased.

Also, even if you say he's inactive, you never know--he might be viewing cB secretly. Also, no one has to log on to cB to see what's going on. Also, just because he doesn't post in the lounge, doesn't mean he doesn't know what's going on... Plus, even IF he's not here, we can have other ways of contacting him, without the use of PMing. I mean, he does have aim and email.

But anyway, yes there is that thread where you guys can post suggestions. Jusun WILL look over any feedback, whether it be positive or negative. I too am unhappy with the diminishing of the subforums, but hey you never know about cB3... They'll probably come back.

Also, Steven -- even though in the past, we were fine without the subforums, now cB has gotten bigger. There's so many more topics now on those different topics that belonged in the subforums. Just throwing them into the lounge isn't going to make it better, is it?

Edit - I concur with what Katie said. If you think about it, Jusun does ask us. It's not like one of those decisions that are like "I'll do it my way and no one can change it." Jusun doesn't make all the rules and decisions. Just look at the by-laws. You can't deny that Jusun did want feedback. Perhaps this is just a test. This shows that this little change really does make a difference.

[*Programmer*]

I hold the upmost respect for jusun and his decisions...he is trying to organize a forum that has outgrown it's limits. i wish people would be more understanding...and allow this transition to take place without such a fuss. Cb2 when first released...was skeptical at first...as well...but look out it turned out? please hold your tongue until the release of cb3..and the majority of disatisfaction...will help the parts that need editing..later on...but right now...jusun needs time to...finish this project off...get off his back...

he's takes your suggestions into consideration...he created this site...he could do it without any of your input at all.

//EDIT
"please hold your tongue "
correction: *please withhold from judging something you have not seen yet.*

i apologize im getting irritated by the lack of confidence...in our members

[yo pusha]

Also, Steven -- even though in the past, we were fine without the subforums, now cB has gotten bigger. There's so many more topics now on those different topics that belonged in the subforums. Just throwing them into the lounge isn't going to make it better, is it?

hey christina

how was your day? my day was alright, it was pretty windy and cold though.

but i respectfully disagree with your post. lets start in alphabetical order with cars. that forum was pretty inactive to begin with, with only about 10 topics that had been posted in for the previous month. 10 threads wouldn't necesarily clog up the lounge forum, would it? i hope not, but if it does then it could be merged into technology. i just see no reason supporting a dead forum. then the current events forum. i had a bigger problem with that one. current events is pretty broad. the winter olympics is a current event. the new kanye west cd is a current event. the new jordans coming out is a current event. i think that was perfectly fine in lounge and i saw no reason whatsoever to move it. the health forum i covered before, but i dont care that strongly if it stays in interests or not.

radhika! how are you? my apologies if i came off condescending but come on.. read your post again. i know you are trying to make changes but i dont think dissing the founder of cb and the forum itself is the right path.. neither is arrogance, i would know lol.. but come on, DEMANDING the forums back? you are just asking for someone to say "if you dont like it than leave". lol

peace im out for the night i think
xo, steven ding

[*mzkandi*]

maybe cb would be more active IF you actually included the members on changes and ideas for building up cb. its exciting and rewarding to be apart of something like that

I agree with this 100%

I hold the upmost respect for jusun and his decisions...he is trying to organize a forum that has outgrown it's limits. i wish people would be more understanding...and allow this transition to take place without such a fuss. Cb2 when first released...was skeptical at first...as well...but look out it turned out? please hold your tongue until the release of cb3..and the majority of disatisfaction...will help the parts that need editing..later on...but right now...jusun needs time to...finish this project off...get off his back...

I dont think anyone has to hold their tongue. This is what the feedback forum was created for, whether it is to give negative or postive feedback. Since the staff is currently dicussing this issue feedback of any sort is welcome. We are never going to be to busy to listen to what the members, the people who make this forum possible, have to say.

[Just_Dream]

Mmm Steven, I see what you mean. lol I guess I'm just a little unhappy about the Health disappearing. You're right about the cars forum, though. But even so, I don't think they should really be thrown into technology, much less into the lounge. They just don't seem to really belong anywhere, imo.

I still think the Current Events forum deserves a chance (as I do think of all subforums), but now that I've read your post you're right--many things could be current events. Plus, some might argue what might or might not be current. Also, there's topics in the past that were current and are now past events, yet would they be moved into current events? Now that I think about it, it is very broad. Perhaps we should've had a better discussion about the forum -- all it's pros and cons, before making the final decision, and now them disappearing.


And to Rico - If you think about it, some people don't want change. Change is good, but sometimes it's not. I guess you could say that perhaps Jusun's taking a gamble here, but you're right in the fact that we never know how big it will be. But, keep in mind, like Kiera said, feedback is important. Do you honestly think that Jusun did all of this himself? The interest forums -- there were suggestions taken. Sure us moderators do take part in decisions, but I'd have to say that cB2 is still built and developed on a foundation that relies on the community's feeback, positive or negative.

[*mipadi*]

maybe cb would be more active IF you actually included the members on changes and ideas for building up cb. its exciting and rewarding to be apart of something like that

I absolutely agree with you as well. You make an excellent point.

[*incoherent*]

here's a couple of words:

it's called stats. these allow jusun to know if the forums or active or not, thus resulting in their deletion.

[Heathasm]

it's not like the mods knew about this months in advance.

well, you guys knew about cb3, and i think i remember him considering some of the suggestions we made for it too. it would just be nice if we werent told to keep it a secret until um like now?

its just
how long ago was it that jusun was beginning to build cb3? a longgg time ago
he may be active backstage but thats just it, its backstage

he's takes your suggestions into consideration...he created this sight...he could do it without any of your input at all

cb wouldnt be much without all of its active members that have built the skins section up tramendously submitted tutorials and helped enforce the rules(what mods do on a daily basis), doesnt that entitle everyone to a little headway, mods, official members, official designers?

[*Programmer*]

Ok....the topic is getting off hand....Bottom line it "THINGS CAN BE EDITED IF THE MAJORITY IS DISATISFIED"

stop repeating yourself...

....

cb wouldnt be much without all of its active members that have built the skins section up tramendously submitted tutorials and helped enforce the rules(what mods do on a daily basis), doesnt that entitle everyone to a little headway, mods, official members, official designers?

you can't assume that... we have no idea...how it would of turned out...
On another note you gonna be my valentine?

Rico - If you think about it, some people don't want change. Change is good, but sometimes it's not. I guess you could say that perhaps Jusun's taking a gamble here, but you're right in the fact that we never know how big it will be. But, keep in mind, like Kiera said, feedback is important. Do you honestly think that Jusun did all of this himself? The interest forums -- there were suggestions taken. Sure us moderators do take part in decisions, but I'd have to say that cB2 is still built and developed on a foundation that relies on the community's feeback, positive or negative.

true as that my be...i just dislike members who refuse to give new things a try...i mean...i agree with you on the foundation of cb2 was built on both negitive and positive inputs. But cb3 has not even been release as of yet...and people are already bashing the idea....of this new forum...without giving it a chance...how does that not irritate you?

[Retrogressive]

Why do all forums have to be buzing with activity? It's quite obvious we love them.

Jusun CLEARLY stated that if someone can come up with a CLEAR and well thought out FULL layout of the forums that he would lean towards using it. He ALSO said that he'd rather see that then us just sitting around accomplishing nothing through this back and forth conversation. Rico is right, we're just repeating the same things over and over again to each other.

[Heathasm]

Why do all forums have to be buzing with activity? It's quite obvious we love them.

Jusun CLEARLY stated that if someone can come up with a CLEAR and well thought out FULL layout of the forums that he would lean towards using it. He ALSO said that he'd rather see that then us just sitting around accomplishing nothing through this back and forth conversation. Rico is right, we're just repeating the same things over and over again to each other.

didnt jusun say that about cb2? i remember pming him about it, but there wasnt very much elaboration on that

[radhikaeatsraman]

I'm sorry if I came off as angry and tempermental. It's just that I'd been lurking for so long and things were just getting to me, that's all.

But those words were said in a flurry of angry feelings and all. I really need to stop and think sometimes. My apologies, everyone.

[sadolakced acid]

if you want information, here's what i think i'm able to share:

cb3 is coming soon.
it takes cb2, which moved layouts out of the forum, a step further.
it's not orange.
the reason why the subforums aren't being reorganized right now is because of work on cb3.
we're a bit short on design staff.

draw your conclusions.

ask questions, if you want.

[Retrogressive]

didnt jusun say that about cb2? i remember pming him about it, but there wasnt very much elaboration on that

Hmm maybe I got it confused but I believe he said that in the thread in the lounge that he made.

[Just_Dream]

Rico, you're right that cb3 isn't out yet. I'd have to say NO DUH --no offense though, I'm just being blunt. But I mean, I guess the big difference is that more is being done to cB (including the forums) with the coming of cB3. Whereas, in cB2, it was more of just the skins/layouts itself. The forum stayed the same. Then later, things got added--the extra subforums and whatnot.

It's kind of reverse now, if you think about it. That's why I'm saying it's not the same... The forum is changing as it is, before cB3 is released. But I'd have to say that people should be a little more accepting, only in the fact that we don't know exactly what is to come from cB3--I mean, look at the possibilities:
the subforums might be back and stay the same
the forums might be back with MORE subforums
the subforums that are gone now will remain gone and the forum will stay the same as it is right now
the suboforums will be gone and more subforums will be gone
OR there might be different subforums with other subforums and blah blah blah


So yea.. the possibilities are endless :P

[*disco infiltrator*]

Hmm, hey guys...uh...you don't have to post in a thread to be active. There are these things called eyes and they enable you to read.

I know that Jusun isn't as active as a lot of us, but now that I've been looking, I've seen him around the community forums just reading and skimming through.

If I had been in his place that night, I would have thought the same - the thread was going so fast, this must be all the community-wide feedback needed. He just made a mistake.

Also, the build-up of topics on this really isn't going to make them come back faster. Believe it or not, we do take members' opinions into account and we do take action.

[*Programmer*]

It's kind of reverse now, if you think about it. That's why I'm saying it's not the same... The forum is changing as it is, before cB3 is released

They are steps leading up to cb3....with that understood... the question of you being irritated of people not giving this a chance... still has yet to be awnsered.
I just want your honest opinion about this. i don't want to make it seem like im putting you on the spot. so if you do not want to awnser this question you do not have to.

[Just_Dream]

Are you saying cB3 in general, as a chance, or the subforums thing?

I'm all up for cB3--most definitely. People are bound to be irritated by it.

As for the subforum thing, I do want them back, or at least one of them back, that's all.

[Retrogressive]

We should realize that this a transition period, it won't last forever.

[racoons > you]

We should realize that this a transition period, it won't last forever.

no, but it was entered intoin haste, with the removal of subforums without adequate consultation.

and someone pointed out the bylaws as evidence of member input. yup. input. but NO OUTPUT TO MATCH. as far as i know, the last time jusun so much as looked at that forum was when he gave me and justin permission to appoint the original members of the bylaws staff. apparently, what we're waiting for is approval...

if he is looking without posting, he would stil have had plenty of time to get round to this. furthermore, so could mona and christina.

the probelm isnt a lack fo member input, it is a lack of results stemming from this input

[*Weird addiction*]

Wow, calm down girl. Being upset isn't going to solve anything. Even though i'm not for the change thing but ...

[sadolakced acid]

well, does the fact that three other members said "go for it" mean anything?

i do agree it was too hasty, but it's still only temporary.

[racoons > you]

well, does the fact that three other members said "go for it"  mean anything?

i do agree it was too hasty, but it's still only temporary.

well yeah. but only three members

[Retrogressive]

no, but it was entered intoin haste, with the removal of subforums without adequate consultation.

and someone pointed out the bylaws as evidence of member input. yup. input. but NO OUTPUT TO MATCH. as far as i know, the last time jusun so much as looked at that forum was when he gave me and justin permission to appoint the original members of the bylaws staff.  apparently, what we're waiting for is approval...

if he is looking without posting, he would stil have had plenty of time to get round to this. furthermore, so could mona and christina.

the probelm isnt a lack fo member input, it is a lack of results stemming from this input

I do completely agree. A lot of people are saying, "We're working on this." but when it comes to something they wanted done such as the creation of certain murdered forums it was very quick response.

But we have no possible way of knowing what happens backstage and what the mods and admins are planning.

[*disco infiltrator*]

Hm, in fact, there's approving going on right now.

Ask before you assume, and then there will be no reason to be angry.

[racoons > you]

Hm, in fact, there's approving going on right now.

Ask before you assume, and then there will be no reason to be angry.

im not angry.

the last time i asked mona, she said she was waiting for jusun and christina to be around to help.

don't assume you're the only person with enough common sense to do the obvious

= )