Abortion Options

[tkproduce]

Different places in the world have different laws on abortion. Some states allow abortion up to a certain age of the foetus, while others don't allow it at all.

So what do you think? Are you in favor of it or against it? When does the baby, which starts off as a ball consisting only of a few cells inside the womb, actually start to count as a human being? Please give some explanation behind your point of view, putting into consideration things such as unwanted pregnancies.

[whomps]

I'm trying to remember what my history teacher said about abortion.. He had a pretty good argument against it.. *ahh brain cramp*

Well I'm mostly against abortion.. not complete though.

I would think it's the girl's fault for choosing to have sex in the first place.
But if she was raped, that's another story.

[Jiggapin0]

Pro-life all da way. Life's life. You can't just take it away no matter what the circumstances. I can see how it's tough for rape victims, but they shouldn't take it out on the unborn child. The rape victim has already become a victim. Don't let the unborn child become a victim as well.

Heheh. This is cool. A debate section of cb. Maybe I'll become a MASTER DEBATOR. LoL.

[tkproduce]

Pro-life all da way. Life's life. You can't just take it away no matter what the circumstances. I can see how it's tough for rape victims, but they shouldn't take it out on the unborn child. The rape victim has already become a victim. Don't let the unborn child become a victim as well.

Yea, but when can you call an unborn child a "victim"? A few weeks after fertilisation, the "unborn child" is only a lump made of a few cells - and the average human probably sheds more skin cells per day than the number of cells that make up this "lump". Is getting rid of "it" wrong?

[Winter]

Most religions think it's wrong to even kill off those few cells coz they eventually turn into something bigger.

I guess I'm mostly against abortion. I mean if you got pregnant because of your own fault, then you just gotta deal with the consequences.

But if someone got rape, then I think it would be okay. Coz they didn't want it to happen and it might make them emotionally unstable.

[rivendell]

I'm pro - choice.

PRO CHOICE DOES NOT EQUAL PRO ABORTION.

I feel a woman has the right to decide what to do with her own body. I personally would never get an abortion, but if someone I know decided to get one, I would be there for her.

[triipinfserious]

i don`t agree with abortion ... anyways that has the chance to live should ... you shouldn`t be self-fish

[rivendell]

i don`t agree with abortion ... anyways that has the chance to live should ... you shouldn`t be self-fish

But what about in a situation of rape or insest?

[triipinfserious]

But what about in a situation of rape or insest?

i`ll meet you half way there ... even though it wasn`t your choice they should still give it the chance to live ... but if they serious can`t handle it then have the abortion

[*Kathleen*]

Sorry, Jess, but I'd hate to inform you that one percent of all abortions are from rape. Furthermore, as Jiggapin0 said, it's not the baby's fault...granted, it's not yours (the mother's), either, but still...don't deprive someone of a life like that.

[tkproduce]

but is it fair to bring an "unwanted" life into this world? would it be better for the baby if it were to experience the peace of death without pain than experience the harsh realities of life?

[InfamousOwen]

Im really against abortion......I know there are circumstances where it is really hard on the girl. I really think there should be another way than abortion. For now I guess its all there is. I just think it is a great lose to society because everyone came from a little "lump" and then they turned into Albert Einstein, Abraham Lincoln, Martin Luther King Jr, doctors, scientist, authors, teachers.

You never know when you will be blessed with a gift that is so profound that it can change the course of the world.

Kathleen must have researched that stats and if thats true with only 1% being from rape than it really is a horrible thing if you can make the grown up choice to have sex and yet not be grown up enough to take responsibility.

this subject is kind of touchy for me sorry if I sound a bit nuts about it

P.S. Adoption is always a choice also......not everyone who wants a child is able to bring one into the world.

[*Kathleen*]

Pft - you have to take the good with the bad at times...everyone wants to live...you get great things in life, too, you know. You're saying this as if this world wreaks of evil. Haha. It does, but good prevails. Wow. I don't know what I'm talking about.

[LQ_Darksoul]

I'm personally against abortion, taking a human life, born or not, is wrong to me. If you f**ked up, and don't want the kid, someone else might.

On the otherhand.. I can understand it being a burdon, going thru so much pain, especially when your young and not ready. And I know some of you are going to say "If your ready to have sex, then your ready to take care of a baby." Well, what about those whom were raped? In the end, it's their choice. They will suffer the conciquences. You shouldn't judge them, only God can do that.

[tkproduce]

I'm personally against abortion, taking a human life, born or not, is wrong to me. If you f**ked up, and don't want the kid, someone else might.

What if someone else doesn't want the kid? Does the kid have to suffer a childhood where he/she feels unwanted?

[LQ_Darksoul]

Better to have a hard childhood than to not have one at all.

[tkproduce]

Better to have a hard childhood than to not have one at all.

I suppose people have different opinions about that. I guess if the child didn't like his/her own life they could just leave it.

[*Kathleen*]

Im really against abortion......I know there are circumstances where it is really hard on the girl. I really think there should be another way than abortion. For now I guess its all there is. I just think it is a great lose to society because everyone came from a little "lump" and then they turned into Albert Einstein, Abraham Lincoln, Martin Luther King Jr, doctors, scientist, authors, teachers.

You never know when you will be blessed with a gift that is so profound that it can change the course of the world.

Kathleen must have researched that stats and if thats true with only 1% being from rape than it really is a horrible thing if you can make the grown up choice to have sex and yet not be grown up enough to take responsibility.

this subject is kind of touchy for me sorry if I sound a bit nuts about it

P.S. Adoption is always a choice also......not everyone who wants a child is able to bring one into the world.

Yes, I was going to later bring this on, too...who knows what great life will come out of you, regardless if the father was your boyfriend or rapist. As I said before, it's not the child's fault that you got raped (it's not yours, either), and you shouldn't take it out on him.

Yes, well, there was a topic on this in the girl's locker room, and someone brought it up. Hehe. I'm not that smart.

tk started bring up something that was leading into adoption, but as Ty (lq_darksoul) said, is it not better to have a life in the first place? Pft. I'm pro-life.

[lilb]

I could go on and on and on with fact after fact after fact about why abortion is wrong, immoral, unreligious, and totally wrong. I wont go there unless pushed into it, becuz i dont feel like typing too much today....but in my opinion and zillions of other ppls abortion is totally WRONG!!!

[tkproduce]

Okay, so it looks like most people are against it. But from what point is a baby a baby? From the second the egg is fertilised? or should we protect all our sperm and egg cells just in case they might get fertilised and grow into the next Albert Einstein or Michael Jordan? Am I murdering thousands of potential geniouses every time I ejaculate?

What should the law be? UK law states that abortion is legal up to the 24th week of pregnancy, at which stage the foetus could technically survive outside the womb. Quite a lot of States in America totally oppose it. Should people be given a choice on whether they want an abortion or not?

[onenonly101]

Pro life. I have [posted my poinion in another one of these topics..let me find it because i am too lazy to type it again ;)
found it!

It is a baby, not a fetus to me. I'm against abortion it is not your right to choose to have a baby and it is a selfish choice. You decided to spread your legs and if you are woman enough to have sex you need to be woman enough to take care of the possible responsibility for you actions. Keep in mind less than 1% of abortions come from people who were raped, so think if they can keep their child, why can;t you. You decided to take that chance when you had sex. There is always adoption, i am so for adoption because it gives people who weren't bale to have children and chance to have a child of their own. Yeah peopel make mistakes but making another one doesn't cancel out the first mistake.

then someone replied saying

its funny cuz when people see a 16 yr old..they automatically think "shes a slut"
i think u guys have to be in the position to say what u think...have any of u guys ever been pregnant anyways?

and

america is freedom, so why do we CONSTANTLY look for ways to restrict?

I said

ya'll keep saying rape, but that is hardly any of the cases of abortion. Also why should your child suffer rape is wrong completely but that doesn't mean you punish you child. And yes if some 16 year old is sleeping around with poeple i do think she is a slut or if she has a child. That is why you use a condom or the patch, or pill. Like i said you don't do things without weighing the consequences of the actions.

[QUOTE]There is no such thing as actually freedom. You have to put restrictions on things to have a productive society. That is why murdering and stealing is wrong. Do you think if we had the freedom to do what ever we pleased that we would even be alive? As a human society we need boundaries to survive, oreveryone would be dead, raping people, stealing and what not [QUOTE]

wuu that took alot

[*Kathleen*]

I think it's the second when the egg is fertilized. Just because it's small doesn't mean you have the right to kill it. Also, no, you're not murdering thousands of potential geniuses everytime you ejaculate because they're not fertilizing an egg unless you're having sex...if you are, then, yes, you're killing them.

[AmesBond]

I'm not against abortion.

Well, I think people should not have sex until they are ready to procreate, but anyway... People should have the choice of whether or not they want to keep a pregnancy. It's their choice. They are in that circumstance and situation. You are not. The choice is not yours.

For the people who argue that this fetus could grow up to be the next Einstein or Jordan, well, picture this: the leading physician on the verge of discovering the cure to HIV/AIDS is pregnant. She finds out that there's a chance she will die during childbirth if she carries this baby to term. This baby could grow up to be the next scientist who finds the cure to HIV/AIDS or grow up to be the next serial killer/terrorist leader/child molestor/kidnapper. Should she risk it and have the baby? Should she have the option of abortion if she plans to live? You tell me...

[onenonly101]

People die during aboritons

[*AngelicEyz00*]

I am for abortion. It is the decision of the pregnant woman whether she wants to continue along with the pregnancy or whether she wants to terminate it.

No matter how the woman got pregnant, whether she was sleeping around, or got pregnant because she didn't use protection, or got raped or whatever, she has a right to do what she wants to do... Everyone makes mistakes, and yes... if you get pregnant, and you really don't wanna go through with it, then obviously you've made a mistake, and if there's a way to "fix" it, in this case, get an abortion, then go for it!

Here in California, if you're a minor, you don't even need permission from your parents to have an abortion. You DO need to notify them, but you don't need to have their permission.

Personally, if i would have gotten pregnant, and of course I wasn't ready, I would have found a way to get an abortion.... Reasons for wanting one... too young, not financially stable, need an education first, my parents would kill me if they knew i was pregnant, etc, etc.....

So for those same reasons, you're probably wondering, "If those are you're excuses, then you're not ready for some consequences of having sex, so you shouldn't even be having sex, right?" Wrong. We're human, and part of being human is making mistakes. (ok, i think i've been using the word "mistakes" too much, but bare with me) Also, we're human, and we like sex. Humans and dolphins are the only species that have sex for pleasure, other species do it for reproduction,so yeah... We can't help it if we get the urge to have sex once in a while, and we can't help it if we make the mistakes of not taking the proper precautions to avoid an unwanted pregnancy.... but abortion is an option which is availble, and since it is availible, then go for it if you need to.

Now, There is an extent to how much I support this, if you're constantly using abortion as your birth control method, then i think that's where i'd draw the line. If you have an abortion after on, two, or maybe even three mistakes, then I guess that's ok...

I don't think abortion is ever gonna be outlawed here, and if it ever is, then I would be pretty upset....

[AmesBond]

People die during aboritons

That's a risk they choose to take.

[*Kathleen*]

Yes, Elba, but why would you take it out on the baby whose life is someone else when it's not their fault? I know you're saying that you might not be finanically stable or whatnot, but there is adoption agencies, you know. Yes, you'll probably say that the kid might grow up without someone adopting him, but still...at least...he's living.

Michelle - if the child comes out to be a terrorist/murderer all that you said above, there are ways to contain him and make him stop doing that. There are always people like that. There are not a lot of people that can come up with the cure to AIDS. Think about it.

[onenonly101]

Having an abortion is not "fixing" it. Have you ever known someone who has had an abortion. I have. She is depressed because of the fact she had an abortion. She actaully does miss her child or feuts as some say. The after affects of abortion is so inement and dangerous that why would you do it. Sure there are the surface reasons, my parents would kill, me not ready...but like i said before if someone who did not make the mistake of having sex without protection and was raped can keep their child there is no reason someone who had sex on their own will can't keep the child

grow up to be the next serial killer/terrorist leader/child molestor/kidnapper

they sure could but that is too much could and if. And if they do that is not your fault. They have free will abd they made that choice

[*AngelicEyz00*]

Yes, I have known plenty of people who have had abortions. My brothers girlfriend has had a couple, and this one woman I knew had one too. They've made mistakes, and they shouldn't have the burden of going through an unwanted pregnancy... I have too many neices and nephews as it is, and if abortion is something that's going to help contain that number then so be it

Yeah, some women are gonna be depressed and all, but I think that if you're not ready, then you shouldn't be forced to keep it. And, if i were to be forced to keep it, i certainly WOULD NOT put it up for adoption, in that case, i'd rather keep it...

I understand that it is killing a life and all that stuff, but... I believe the woman has a right to do what she thinks is best for her, it may be selfish, but ultimately it is her decision

[onenonly101]

I belive it is her decision because I do belive we have the "right" to choose someones life, but then again i don't belive we have rights, we have privledges

[lilb]

I am for abortion. It is the decision of the pregnant woman whether she wants to continue along with the pregnancy or whether she wants to terminate it.

No matter how the woman got pregnant, whether she was sleeping around, or got pregnant because she didn't use protection, or got raped or whatever, she has a right to do what she wants to do... Everyone makes mistakes, and yes... if you get pregnant, and you really don't wanna go through with it, then obviously you've made a mistake, and if there's a way to "fix" it, in this case, get an abortion, then go for it!

Here in California, if you're a minor, you don't even need permission from your parents to have an abortion. You DO need to notify them, but you don't need to have their permission.

Personally, if i would have gotten pregnant, and of course I wasn't ready, I would have found a way to get an abortion.... Reasons for wanting one... too young, not financially stable, need an education first, my parents would kill me if they knew i was pregnant, etc, etc.....

So for those same reasons, you're probably wondering, "If those are you're excuses, then you're not ready for some consequences of having sex, so you shouldn't even be having sex, right?" Wrong. We're human, and part of being human is making mistakes. (ok, i think i've been using the word "mistakes" too much, but bare with me) Also, we're human, and we like sex. Humans and dolphins are the only species that have sex for pleasure, other species do it for reproduction,so yeah... We can't help it if we get the urge to have sex once in a while, and we can't help it if we make the mistakes of not taking the proper precautions to avoid an unwanted pregnancy.... but abortion is an option which is availble, and since it is availible, then go for it if you need to.

Now, There is an extent to how much I support this, if you're constantly using abortion as your birth control method, then i think that's where i'd draw the line. If you have an abortion after on, two, or maybe even three mistakes, then I guess that's ok...

I don't think abortion is ever gonna be outlawed here, and if it ever is, then I would be pretty upset....

I'm not saying you are, but I am saying "that" is selfish. Look at Martin luther king, what would happen if his mother had an abortion, blacks would still be discriminated and that would be horrible cuz i am in love with one, what would happen if all of the improtant history makers that made us free, that gave women rights, that destroyed racism and things that tore nations apart were killed, because a mother a woman made a mistake and messed up and didnt want to pay the price, it is selfish and immature, its like a little kid who does something their not suppose to and throws a fit when they have to be punished, except this is much bigger, this is a childs life, a humans life.

[AmesBond]

^ That is certainly not true, if not Martin Luther King, Jr., then surely someone else would've fought for civil rights. He did not single handedly wipeout discrimination because that still exists today.

[*Kathleen*]

Yes, but there wouldn't have been a Martin Luther King Jr. in the first place. Same thing with all the great leaders we look back on - many of them did do things single-handedly.

[*AngelicEyz00*]

Yes, but we will never know what will happen, so why are we gonna start with the "what if"s?

[*Kathleen*]

We do know that it is life no matter what. That's not a "what if".

[lilb]

I think it is wrong that ppl think that they have the right to take a human life and destroy it, to take a living creature and kill it.

[*CrackedRearView*]

But what about in a situation of rape or insest?

Regarding this comment, and since I haven't seen any hard proof or evidencial material to substantiate any of your claims yet...

According to Kansas City Star (this was an editorial on the February 13th edition of my hometown's paper):

"Of all abortions committed from Jan. 1990 (when clinics began logging causes of abortions) to Dec. 2003:

86% Unwanted pregnancy (female choice)
12% Health risks (to mother)
1% Fatal health risks/deformalities (child)
1% Rape cases"

Read the print in bold.

I can't remember, I think some 10,000+ abortions have happened in that time period.

Allow the whopping 14% of mothers with legitimate abortion reasons to have them.
Arrest/fine the 86% that needlessly murder children every week.

[*Kathleen*]

Yes, that's what I think I said before. Still, either way, even if it is rape or incest, the child deserves to live - it's not its fault.

[kirbymuixo]

well...it depends cuz there are many different viewpoints out there...many people are pro-choice and prefer that women should be given a choice as to whether they want an abortion are not. other people are pro-life, meaning that they regard the fetus as a potential human and that it is morally wrong to kill lives. for me, i believe that women should be given a choice to decide for themselves what they want to do because of the freedom of choice in America. but the other side of me contradicts this belief cuz i also do believe it is wrong to have an abortion because it is considered murder, both in the moral and biblical sense. because im a christian, i believe that having an abortion would be killing a life as also stated in the Bible, and therefore, i am against it...

however, if someone was raped, i think it would be justifiable since the victim did not have a choice of whether they wanted to be pregnant or not, wheraes, if a woman had sex just for the fun of it and became pregnant, it would be a different story...so it all depends...

but everyone deserves to live...

[*Kathleen*]

Okay, so if you're pro-choice, the baby doesn't have a say in this. You know if it could talk, it would pick life...why not? Everyone deserves to live, and everyone should.

[Spirited Away]

I'm pro choice only because there's a danger in passing a law that will ban abortion.

Young woman, who were raped or desperate enough to kill the fetus, will find ways to have an abortion. They could die in an ally trying to do it themselves.

[*Kathleen*]

That's true, but there's a flaw to every system. More people are dying with abortions.

[WhiteChocolate]

Abortion is one of the issues that enrages me the most. These are babies that you kill! I hate it that people call the baby a "Fetus" which is some stupid term that a doctor somewhere made up to desensitize us to the fact that these are human BEINGS!

*sighs*

The rape/incest argument is invalid. Like Kathleen said...its only 1%, and even so...How can you justify killing the baby? It's not the baby's fault in the least bit that his mother was raped. If it's too painful emotionally for the mother to keep the baby, then she can adopt the baby out.

There are so many simple solutions, that absolve the "need" for killing these babies. I still don't understand how these people can be so callused...

I know I just repeated all of the arguments that have been cited so far, but I don't care.

[sweetlyz]

i dunno .. i`m on both sides. i`m mainly against abortion because as a catholic i do believe its wrong. but then again, there are some circumstances where it seems reasonable. there`s never nothing right about taking a life .. but if a girl was raped, then abortion is reasonable. but if she was pregnant merely by having sex with someone willingly, then i believe its wrong .. even if she doesn`t want the baby or isn`t ready. have the baby and give him/her up for adoptiong, don`t take his/her life.

[casssy]

I remember doing my history project on abortion.. and it sickened me how they kill the baby.. i mean the older it is.. the worse it gets.. blah i dont even wanna talk about it now.. I can see if someone got raped and then they got pregnant.. but then again.. its hard to say ..its still wrong

[dasturbd]

The rape/incest argument is invalid. Like Kathleen said...its only 1%, and even so...How can you justify killing the baby? It's not the baby's fault in the least bit that his mother was raped. If it's too painful emotionally for the mother to keep the baby, then she can adopt the baby out.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard!! It's easy to say that when you're not the one who has to carry it. It's not the babies fault...no DUH!! So it's the woman's fault she got raped?? It's not bad enough that she had to go through something that horrible in the first place but now she has to carry a baby that was conceived out of violence, push it out and give it up?? Puhleeze!!

[shawty_redd]

i am AGAINST abortions...killing an innocent person that hasn't even been born yet is wrong and cruel....

[*Kathleen*]

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard!! It's easy to say that when you're not the one who has to carry it. It's not the babies fault...no DUH!! So it's the woman's fault she got raped?? It's not bad enough that she had to go through something that horrible in the first place but now she has to carry a baby that was conceived out of violence, push it out and give it up?? Puhleeze!!

Heh...I'm pretty sure I added that it's not the woman's fault, either. I agree, it will be painful, but at least through this tragedy, you could bring another life into this world. Granted, you don't have to keep it, but still...it's a life we're talking about here.

[dasturbd]

Heh...I'm pretty sure I added that it's not the woman's fault, either. I agree, it will be painful, but at least through this tragedy, you could bring another life into this world. Granted, you don't have to keep it, but still...it's a life we're talking about here.

that quote wasn't off of yours it was white chocolates...and yes it is a life;however, the mother's life and well-being are to be considered also. I'm just saying that I don't care if it's 1% or 50%...the choice should be there. why should the woman be punished twice...first by being raped and secondly by being made to carry a child made through violence and resentment. She will have a constant reminder in her head of what has happened to her, let alone made to live carrying a creation against her will

[rivendell]

Regarding this comment, and since I haven't seen any hard proof or evidencial material to substantiate any of your claims yet...

According to Kansas City Star (this was an editorial on the February 13th edition of my hometown's paper):

"Of all abortions committed from Jan. 1990 (when clinics began logging causes of abortions) to Dec. 2003:

86% Unwanted pregnancy (female choice)
12% Health risks (to mother)
1% Fatal health risks/deformalities (child)
1% Rape cases"

Read the print in bold.

I can't remember, I think some 10,000+ abortions have happened in that time period.

Allow the whopping 14% of mothers with legitimate abortion reasons to have them.
Arrest/fine the 86% that needlessly murder children every week.

Look, I never said I was going to offer any hard proof or evidence. I didn't even make a claim. I just asked a question. Jeez.

I'm not trying to change what you believe; you're allowed to believe what you want, whether I agree or not. I was simply making a statement as to what I personally believe.

[dani41790]

im prolife for abortion cuz i think its wrong killing an unborn baby and not giving it a chance to live tha onli time i think it would b reasonable to hav an abortion is wen it mite kill tha mother if she had tha baby.

[WildGriffin]

I was with abortion and the "pro choice" thing but now that i think about it...it shouldnt be the babies fault that Ma and Pa are horny bastards that don't use protection. If you don't want to have a baby, get your pipeing disabled.

Man, people that arn't prepared to support a baby shouldn't tempt fate by having unprotected sex. Now you're a baby killer, way to go, hope you enjoyed that 10 second orgasm.

Anyone with me on a sex license? It'll be a 10,000 question test, all open ended questions delving into your parental fitness and responsibility capacity. If anyone has a baby without said license, they get "aborted" and the baby lives. That should detour some people.

[fiji_kid]

well i disagree with abortion because that was the grls mistake in sleeping with others and also in abortion, you are killing a child

[WildGriffin]

well i disagree with abortion because that was the grls mistake in sleeping with others and also in abortion, you are killing a child

It's just as much the guys fault.

[fiji_kid]

It's just as much the guys fault.

well i say that i dont do that but if you follow your culture it says that you shouldnt hav sex before marriage.. well i follow that

[WhiteChocolate]

that quote wasn't off of yours it was white chocolates...and yes it is a life;however, the mother's life and well-being are to be considered also. I'm just saying that I don't care if it's 1% or 50%...the choice should be there. why should the woman be punished twice...first by being raped and secondly by being made to carry a child made through violence and resentment. She will have a constant reminder in her head of what has happened to her, let alone made to live carrying a creation against her will

Oh so you would rather her have the constant nagging thought that she killed her child?

Mmm...much better, Dasturbd...what a much better alternative.

[Spirited Away]

well i say that i dont do that but if you follow your culture it says that you shouldnt hav sex before marriage.. well i follow that

Then in this case, what if one was raped?


Just a question.

[dasturbd]

Oh so you would rather her have the constant nagging thought that she killed her child?

Mmm...much better, Dasturbd...what a much better alternative.

to a woman raped, I doubt if she would consider it a child at all, but more like a spot of evil inside of her. take yourself out of your own position for once to actually look at the other side of the situation.

I'm not talking people that were irresponsible and having unprotected sex, I'm talking RAPE...I don't understand how you can even dispute a woman's right under those circumstances considering you yourself are not a woman.

[WhiteChocolate]

to a woman raped, I doubt if she would consider it a child at all, but more like a spot of evil inside of her. take yourself out of your own position for once to actually look at the other side of the situation.

I'm not talking people that were irresponsible and having unprotected sex, I'm talking RAPE...I don't understand how you can even dispute a woman's right under those circumstances considering you yourself are not a woman.

I don't think you could judge fairly that the woman would think of this human being inside of her as a spot of evil. You aren't a woman after all, and wouldn't know what a woman thinks, right? And even if you are a woman (which I dont think you are, are you? lol) you wouldn't know what you would be feeling. The woman might resent and feel such violation and anger towards the rapist, but then cherish the child inside of her, knowing that it wasn't the baby's fault in any way.

[Spirited Away]

to a woman raped, I doubt if she would consider it a child at all, but more like a spot of evil inside of her. take yourself out of your own position for once to actually look at the other side of the situation.

I'm not talking people that were irresponsible and having unprotected sex, I'm talking RAPE...I don't understand how you can even dispute a woman's right under those circumstances considering you yourself are not a woman.

*nods*.

Women can be desperate after rape. Many tried suicide; others are mentally wounded; and there are still others who thought it so much of a shame to bear that they must carry a lifetime of suffering.

Abortion isn't an easy decision for many women who have experienced rape.

[*Kathleen*]

Aust (whitechocolate), I think Dasturbd is a woman...I remember him/her talking about Mother's Day, and how yeah never mind that's beside the point.

*nods*.

Women can be desperate after rape. Many tried suicide; others are mentally wounded; and there are still others who thought it so much of a shame to bear that they must carry a lifetime of suffering.

Abortion isn't an easy decision for many women who have experienced rape.

I completely agree that it's horrid that the woman has to suffer, but the child doesn't even get to live! I know women are desperate after rape, and I know there's still one percent, but they don't have to keep the child. Yeah, that's all I can think of right now. I just want to go to sleep...haha.

[Spirited Away]

I completely agree that it's horrid that the woman has to suffer, but the child doesn't even get to live! I know women are desperate after rape, and I know there's still one percent, but they don't have to keep the child. Yeah, that's all I can think of right now. I just want to go to sleep...haha.

Read this after you wake up then

I understand that a child should have a right to live. But just as a child has the right to live, the mother has the right to choose what's right for her own body.

That sounds so unfair, I know, because I hate the types that have unprotected sex, just for the heck of it and then kill the potential child. To me, that's so immoral.

But I'm just saying that it's not fair that a child's right to live should weight more than a woman's right to her own body.

[dasturbd]

yes I am a woman and while I can't base my entire statement on all women who have been raped i can base it off of at least one, which is more than you can do Mr. Chocolate.

It would take a superior human being to not feel resentment of a pregnancy that was unasked for by way of rape. If I were to ever run into a woman who had chosen this route after such a terrible ordeal i would surely commend her.

[WhiteChocolate]

yes I am a woman and while I can't base my entire statement on all women who have been raped i can base it off of at least one, which is more than you can do Mr. Chocolate.

It would take a superior human being to not feel resentment of a pregnancy that was unasked for by way of rape. If I were to ever run into a woman who had chosen this route after such a terrible ordeal i would surely commend her.

Could you PLEASE just drop the tone down a couple notches...dang! "Mr. Chocolate"?! wtf?! I have been pretty civil to you. You could do the same for me, I think.

And yeah whatever. A woman who is raped might not want to carry the rapists child. So sure, she might want to kill it instead. But it's her body, so why not...just kill the blob of matter, right? I mean....it's just a blob of cells!

*sigh* that's terrible.

[dasturbd]

I think I was being respectful...I could have come up with another name if you'd like

[WhiteChocolate]

I think I was being respectful...I could have come up with another name if you'd like

Oh sorry...It just seemed a little smart-alecky to me. I still can't swallow that you think of it as being respectful, though.


Just call me Austin.

[dasturbd]

well since you put it that way...ok I will call you Austin. Mr. is a sign of respect...dont think just because I don't agree with you or have my own strong opinions that I don't try to view your point, because i do and it would be ignorant of me to dismiss it

(btw there was another post where I used the Mr. so don't read much into it other than what I've said here...I don't just go around calling out first names without permission ya know)

[Spirited Away]

Could you PLEASE just drop the tone down a couple notches...dang! "Mr. Chocolate"?! wtf?! I have been pretty civil to you. You could do the same for me, I think.

And yeah whatever. A woman who is raped might not want to carry the rapists child. So sure, she might want to kill it instead. But it's her body, so why not...just kill the blob of matter, right? I mean....it's just a blob of cells!

*sigh* that's terrible.

I was about to call you that too! I'm so sorry! What would you'd like to be called? Garfield? He's awesome!

Anyway, like I asked before, should a child's right to life weights more than a woman's right to her body?

There was a movie on cable that there was a woman who's very sickly. She then gets pregnant, but then having the baby would kill her... She is a courageous woman, because she actually prefer life to her child and I think she did died in the end.

But anyway, if it was a different woman, who has severe sickness and gets pregnant, she could abort the child and live, or have the child and die. Some people would think that's it's selfish to choose your own life, but then again, these people never had dealt with these heart-wrenching decisions like that... so in essence, you'd have no right to call them selfish.

What if a woman contracted aids and she get pregnant. Should the child live and be borned with AIDs and suffer? [but then again, the cure to aids could be found on the next day...]

The only law I would condone is a law that allows abortions, but with some rigid restrictions to when and under what circumstances that would allow it.

[tkproduce]

So what do you guys think the law should be? The law isn't as flexible as people's minds. Should the government ban it completely? or should they allow it up to a certain age of the foetus?

[WhiteChocolate]

sorry. it's a little hard to read tone on a forum.... Didn't mean to over-react or anything, I just thought you were saying it in a sarcastic smart aleck way. Forgive me.

Nice scenarios, uninspiredfae...hrmmm...

But anyway, if it was a different woman, who has severe sickness and gets pregnant, she could abort the child and live, or have the child and die. Some people would think that's it's selfish to choose your own life, but then again, these people never had dealt with these heart-wrenching decisions like that... so in essence, you'd have no right to call them selfish.

I think that it would be a hard decision that no woman should have to make...and me calling her selfish by choosing her own life would be a judgemental statement.

But...(yep, theres a but...hehe) The woman has had a rather full life by now...of at least, what, 20 years or so? I don't think it's right to deprive her child the right to live and have a life. And there's always the chance of both of them living, whereas if she aborts...it's guaranteed that one of them dies....(the baby of course...)

[Spirited Away]

But...(yep, theres a but...hehe) The woman has had a rather full life by now...of at least, what, 20 years or so? I don't think it's right to deprive her child the right to live and have a life. And there's always the chance of both of them living, whereas if she aborts...it's guaranteed that one of them dies....(the baby of course...)

That's what my mother said to me when I asked her that question!

My momma loves me!!!!

Ahem, yes, I understand that perfectly... I guess then the child would still have to miss out on his/her biological mother's love... because anyone who can sacrifice their life for another, sure has a lot of love to give.

[melface]

Why should a woman give birth to a child she is having second thoughts about? Obviously, that child deserves to have a mother that cares about them. What if the woman won't have enough money to support the baby with food, diapers, clothes, and home? Why should that baby have to grow up living in poverty and/or on welfare because of it's mother? I believe that when a baby is born it should be raised to the best of the mother's ability.. That baby should be given the world... And if that mother is thinking about aborting the baby.. then she doesn't deserve to give birth to that child... and that child deserves to have a better mother.

[*AngelicEyz00*]

I think I was being respectful...I could have come up with another name if you'd like

haha!.... ehm, yeah

Anyways. A zygote is um... cells... right? The egg and the sperm.... I understand that it's life. I understand the fetus is known to have developed a lot of things at an early stage in the pregnancy, and i understand why some of you are against it. I totally respect it, and yes, in that respect, i guess that it probably doesn't seem so fair to the fetus--yes technically, it's a fetus

But you have to understand the situation that some of these women are in. Of those i know that had abortions, i think they're better off having had them. Putting the child up for adoption? I wouldn't do that, i'd rather keep the baby if i couldn't get an abortion. (but i already stated this) These girls i know weren't ready to have the baby, they really had no means of caring for it... the government offers help, welfare and whatnot, but it's not really enough. They'll be living in poverty because they're unemployed. They have no education, so they can't get a good career. Their baby's daddy will probaby have left them because some guys are just like that... Why be forced to possibly go throughall this when you couls have terminated the pregnancy... That way, you do everything you wanted to. Go to school, get a job, be financially stable, and then have a baby, and raise it with a responsible guy...

I'm for abortion, and I think it's the woman's right to choose. The government shouldn't get involved in any way where they would deny her right to have one...

[*Kathleen*]

Melissa, there's adoption, though - there are many couples out there incapable of having children. They'd love them just as much.

Elba, how old where those girls you knew? Besides...if their moms cared for them enough, they could help them out a little. That's how girls in my school (I don't personally know) take care of their babies. There's always someone in your close family you can count on for the time being as you get your education.

[*AngelicEyz00*]

One was in her early early 20s. Another one was like 16 maybe... And another one was like 17 and 18... The 18 year old is pregnant again, but she's getting an abortion. I support her, but I'm also like ":um, you and my bro need to like use a condom or something"

[melface]

So I thought this was about abortion... I'm not saying that I do not support adoption, that's a whole 'nother situation.

[*Kathleen*]

Elba, see...I don't mean to offend anyone (your friends or whatnot), but that's the thing - people should be protecting themselves. Why isn't she on the pill, or any of those other things? Just because she chooses not to do that, she's killing an innocent fetus (as you like to say).

Mel, I know it's about abortion, but I'm saying that if you think because the child isn't loved enough by the mother, she should have an abortion, then there is a choice of adoption.

[NatoBoy]

im against abortion..the babies that they want to be aborted instead of being killed, should be sent to a foster home or sumthing so that someone else would be able to take care of that baby

[*instantmusic*]

pro life.

a lot of people say that its the womans right to have an abortion.

but dont forget, the woman also has the right to think about whether or not to be sexually intimate with another man, and bare the responsibilities of the consequences if she does choose to be sexually intimate with that man.

no one told you to have sex.

aw, dont come to me with the rape issue. my baby is my baby. if i kill him/her, im gonna see him/her in heaven, probably with God along side him/her, and theyre gonna have their arms crossed looking at me angrily, and I'm just gonna be like this - .

[*Kathleen*]

Also, with the rape issue, if abortion is legalized, think about how many teenagers are going to go running around getting adoptions left and right. Yes, there is that one percent of abortions that occur because of rape, but what about the ninety-nine percent?! Think about it. You sort of have to look at the big picture to see what I'm talking about.

[WildGriffin]

this is prolly the most cynical thing i've ever said, but if you've ever been raped, there's a thing called the morning after pill. invest.

[*Kathleen*]

Heh...that's true, though, wildgriffin...

[dasturbd]

Also, with the rape issue, if abortion is legalized, think about how many teenagers are going to go running around getting adoptions left and right.

Where are you...cuz it is legal here in the U.S. (Roe vs Wade)

this is prolly the most cynical thing i've ever said, but if you've ever been raped, there's a thing called the morning after pill. invest.

The morning after pill is still a form of abortion, if indeed it turned out you did in fact conceive

[Spirited Away]

this is prolly the most cynical thing i've ever said, but if you've ever been raped, there's a thing called the morning after pill. invest.

Hi, it's me again... no opposing arguments this time... but:

You're right about rape and pills! I didn't think about them until now!

[*Kathleen*]

Haha wow I must not have been thinking about that...but I meant in all states...wait...now I'm confused.

Edit: Okay, the continuation of teenagers aborting babies left and right.

[WildGriffin]

The morning after pill is still a form of abortion, if indeed it turned out you did in fact conceive

Don't the pills go after sperms though? Or do they kill the egg? either way, you arn't really aborting any babies.

[*AngelicEyz00*]

All the morning after pill does is prevent the fertilized egg from implanting on the uterus... so for you who say "oh, it's a baby the secong the sperm and egg untie" i would imagine you would be against the morning after pill

[*Kathleen*]

Hmm...well, everyone should just go on the birth control pill, then!

[WildGriffin]

don't guys have some form of a birth control pill? We can all take birth control together!

[*Kathleen*]

Haha nice.

Anywho, back to the topic; I suppose I'm against the morning after pill as well. Still, as I keep saying - it's only one percent! Keep it legalized everywhere, and more and more innocent lives will be slaughtered! Besides, there's a higher risk of people dying in abortion opposed to actual childbirth now.

Yeah...I don't know what I'm talking about.

[Spirited Away]

But I heard that the morning after pill must be used 72 hours after intercourse... now if people are so lazy that they can't use a condom, or birth control pills, what makes you think they'll use the morning after pill?

EDIT::

Side effects of this pill:

nausea
vomiting
infertility
breast tenderness
ectopic pregnancy-can be life threatening
blood clot formation

With those sort of side effects, I'd wouldn't be using it.

[*Kathleen*]

Eh, I think they were saying that using the morning after pill would be the solution to the rape problems. Still, I don't like this morning after pill if it is still technically killing the child, as Elba said.

[WildGriffin]

Eh, I think they were saying that using the morning after pill would be the solution to the rape problems. Still, I don't like this morning after pill if it is still technically killing the child, as Elba said.

Well, abortion can be viewed the same way since the baby was never really born. and...there's no proof it [the fetus] constitutes as a human being with rights. cynical ol' me.

how can you kill something that hasn't been born? Bam!

[onenonly101]

random though* i've never heard someone named Elba* any ways. I still see abortion wrong no matter what light it is put in. like they say best birth control is not having sex and if you don't like that idea wear a condom, shoot both of ya'll wear a condom so ya'll can be 199.98% sure you don't have a child

[WildGriffin]

come to think of it, what makes the fetus "alive". it's just parasiting off the mother till it takes it's first breath. maybe the soul doesn't even enter the body till it leaves the mother. maybe there is no conscience before the first breath. maybe..maybe...maybe it's a subject that has no "right" answer.

[machinoman]

i am pro-choice. if you want to make abortion illegal than you should make not have sex also illegal, because sperm and eggs are humans by your definition.

Also, with the rape issue, if abortion is legalized, think about how many teenagers are going to go running around getting adoptions left and right. Yes, there is that one percent of abortions that occur because of rape, but what about the ninety-nine percent?! Think about it. You sort of have to look at the big picture to see what I'm talking about.

i dont think any teenagers would want to adopt children no matter what the abortion laws are.

also, it doesnt matter what percent are from rape, the point is that the pregnancies that result from rape should be allowed to be terminated. as should all others in my opinion.

[*AngelicEyz00*]

i am pro-choice. if you want to make abortion illegal than you should make not have sex also illegal, because sperm and eggs are humans by your definition.

lol, in that case, no more killing kittens !!

[WildGriffin]

dont sperm eventually die anyways, even if you dont "kill kittens". And eggs die once a month. STOP ABORTING YOU CRAZY PEOPLE!

[*kryogenix*]

i am pro-choice. if you want to make abortion illegal than you should make not have sex also illegal, because sperm and eggs are humans by your definition.

no, once the egg has different genes from the mother it is a human. and by having sex, you don't kill the sperm and egg.

[machinoman]

dont sperm eventually die anyways, even if you dont "kill kittens". And eggs die once a month. STOP ABORTING YOU CRAZY PEOPLE!

not if you have sex then one will survive. and eggs wouldnt die once a month if you keep pregnant, so the only way to not "kill babies" is if you are a girl have a baby every nine months and if your a guy go to the sperm doner every day. that is the only way to preserve these so called holy lives.