are people born gay? Options

[*krnxswat*]

Click here for the article.

So, was the way we behave engrained in us before we were born? Or has it developed over time in response to our experiences?

[EmeraldKnight]

I just kinda skimmed through it, but i think its a combination of both, with primarily nurture.. i mean.. there are geniuses born every day that never get the chance to develop their skills because of their environment.. conversely, there are ppl raised in the best environments that still dont amount to anything because of genetics

The idea of genetics applies heavily to physical development, but not so much to psychological.. psychological and emotional development depend most on the environment, because as a human being, you absorb everything around you, everything in your environment influences your development, thats my take

[strice]

yeah, it is a combination. locke's tabula rasa isn't correct because its been proven that genetics affects behaviour aswell.

[EmeraldKnight]

well... considering that this is the debate forum, why dont you take a side? =p

[mai_z]

i think its a lil bit of both.... but the nature vs nurture about humans being evil n mean and overpowering and stuff... i think is nature cuz it's survival of the fittest, i mean... instinct?

[EmeraldKnight]

i think its a lil bit of both.... but the nature vs nurture about humans being evil n mean and overpowering and stuff... i think is nature cuz it's survival of the fittest, i mean... instinct? 

but as humans, survival of the fittest doesnt just mean instinct or physical capabilities like it does to most others, as humans, intellectual and psychological development contribute to our survival as well.. i mean.. unless you lived as a hermit in the jungle or something, instincts alone wont do you much good

[islandkiss]

I was watching one of my favorite shows, the View, and they mentioned a controversial case about a man who was pressing charges against a preist for "turning him into a homosexual" because he raped him repeatedly when he was a young child.


Do you believe that people are born gay or do they choose to be? be sure to explain your reasons

this seems to be a very loaded/controversial topic. I personally believe that people are born gay because who chooses to be apart of something that most people are against? some people also believe that there's a gene that determines your sexuality.

i'm pretty curious about what you guys think. debate away

[*RiC3xBoy*]

Well there is a theory that men are born gay until puberty where it depends how much your heterosexuality represses your homosexuality.

[o0olaalaa]

my teacher told me that they are born gay. like studies show that gay people have this thing in their brain that people who arent gay dont have

[sadolakced acid]

no, not any more that people are born male or female.

[AngryBaby]

why dont we ask someone? there is people here to ask.

[Justingamemaster]

You were born gay

[eunie03]

Love is just chemical reactions in your brain. Some people have the right chemistry and have a spark together. I personally don't really think it matters whether someone has a penis or not. You like what you like.

So I suppose it can be both. You can like something since birth, or you can grow to like something after a while. It doesn't really work well with the priest raping situation, but the case is bull to me.

[AngryBaby]

You were born gay

what?

[Justingamemaster]

what?

Can you read?

[Retrogressive]

I think we are born as people. Gay is a prefrences... it's not like I was born liking pink or liking green. I know that's how I feel about my sexuality, it's a prefrence not anything I was born with.

[Olive]

If a hermaphrodite was sexually attracted to males, yet had dominantly male genitals and a feminine state of mind, wouldn't that be considered "born gay"?

[Mulder]

some people say that the reason that people are homosexual (at least some of them), is that they have more of one chemical in their brain, or less of a different one, and it causes it to basically...override their attraction to their opposite sex and primitive instincts for....makin babies.

i just made that up btw. sounded true enough.

eh. people could turn gay because they were raised just by a parent of the opposite sex. like a boy whose raised by a mentally distured mother... you know, one who wants to have complete control over their sons, even when they're really old....
they either become murderers, or gay.

haha. i love making up information.

[Rachel]

^Well you shouldn't in a debate, kthanks.

Well there is a theory that men are born gay until puberty where it depends how much your heterosexuality represses your homosexuality.

I've never heard that theory. Interesting! Happen to have a link to an article or something like that?


Anyways, I pretty much believe that people are "born" gay. I think it is something in their genes/chemicals in their brains. I am pretty sure most boys wouldn't choose to become someone in society who is hated for what they feel. I think homosexuality is just something that happens naturally. There is no way to be "turned" gay and no way to "cure" homosexuality.

[crazedbaby]

I'm not against gay people. I'm not really getting the fact why it's such a big deal if you're a guy liking a guy or a girl liking a girl. That's just flippin retarded. I saw this in the New York Post but whatever. It could be both. You could be born gay and be sexually attracted to the same sex. And maybe in some cases people can choose to be gay for whatever reason they have. Yup.

[*reflection*]

i don't because most people believe they are gay when they are attracted to someone of the same sex and that could happen at any age.

[Rachel]

^Maybe they have just finally come to terms with it when they are 35, but they have always been gay.

[Retrogressive]

Hmmm...

Maybe it is some people with differen't chemical properties and some with just a prefrence. With me, I'm attracted to men and women and I have no clue how to explain it but I've not always been attracted to women. Sometimes I think gay people make up that they've been gay all there lives, not all of them but sometimes I think they just say that.

[AngryBaby]

Can you read?

im not gay if thats what your asking lol. im just saying there are homosexuals on this site, why dont we ask them?

[*mipadi*]

A good friend of mine is gay. People often ask him, "When did you know you were gay?" His response: "When did you know you were straight?"

[ParanoidAndroid]

I think most people who are gay just become gay instead of being born gay. I've never heard of anyone who was born gay but people assume that the children of gay couples (you're stupid if you don't know where the children come from.. obviously they either adopted or injected a sperm cell/egg cell on one of the spouses) are gay. But I don't think that's true. At least it most likely isn't true. However the children can be influenced at ane extremely young age that they're gay from adults that are close to them. So I guess it's more of influence or changes that causes someone to be a homosexual. But sometimes someone can be born gay but just realize it when they grow up... Idk I am kinda confused right now.

[*iNyCxShoRT*]

A good friend of mine is gay. People often ask him, "When did you know you were gay?" His response: "When did you know you were straight?"

^ =O very good comeback.

I think that you're born gay. I wonder if baby boys acting girly has anything to do with whether they'll be gay in the future or not.

[sadolakced acid]

eh. people could turn gay because they were raised just by a parent of the opposite sex. like a boy whose raised by a mentally distured mother... you know, one who wants to have complete control over their sons, even when they're really old....
they either become murderers, or gay.

haha. i love making up information.[/size][/font]

there is no such thing as turning gay. there is such a thing as accepting that you are gay, but turning gay is as likely to happen as turning to the opposite sex suddenly in your life.

many things, like a distant father, which appear to cause homosexuality in males most often is actually a response to homosexuality.

so be careful what conclusions you draw.

[*Weird addiction*]

People aren't born gay, they don't even choose to be gay. It's something that's inexplicable. I'm bi, i didn't choose to be bi, i'm attracted to girls and that's it.

[Paradox of Life]

A person is born gay. Period. They will never feel attracted to the opposite gender and are more partial to the same gender. Homosexuality is not a choice. No one would choose to be a homosexual with all the discrimination going on. And I know people who are gay who say it's ineviditable that they are this way. It is a mental defect (and yes, I said defect) and people overcomplicate things because it's supposedly against nature.

And I just want to say, stop sticking up for homosexuals by saying

"There's nothing wrong with being a homosexual. What if you really loved someone but they were of the same sex?"

Then I would say

"And what if you really loved someone and they were the opposite sex?"

Sorry, just had to say that. Because it gets on my nerves. Homosexuals are not anymore 'open-minded' than heterosexuals. Actually, one's sexual preference has nothing to do with being open-minded because it's just how you're born. Being bisexual or homosexual is just not mainstream is all.

[*Weird addiction*]

A person is born gay. Period. They will never feel attracted to the opposite gender and are more partial to the same gender.

Wrong. My step brother used to be straight, then bi, then fully gay. He used to be very attracted to girls.

[super_grover08]

i heard it was because of a hormone malfunction or unbalance or something like that.

[Rachel]

^Okay, well what is your stance on the issue then? What do you think? You should say more than what you heard...

Wrong. My step brother used to be straight, then bi, then fully gay. He used to be very attracted to girls.

As I said before, maybe he didn't realize he was gay until later but he could still have always been gay. Also, maybe he did not want to accept the fact that he was a homosexual.

[sadolakced acid]

Wrong. My step brother used to be straight, then bi, then fully gay. He used to be very attracted to girls.

ahh yes.

well, maybe he just never met a guy he liked till then.

or he was predisposed to think he was supposed to like girls.

[islandkiss]

You were born gay 

mm no. how about, grow up? kthanks.

Wrong. My step brother used to be straight, then bi, then fully gay. He used to be very attracted to girls.

I agree with Rachel, it's possible that your brother just wasn't sure about his sexuality and as time went on, he realized that he prefered guys

[melface]

I do believe that there are your handful of gays that CHOOSE to be gay. But seriously, WHY would anyone in their right mind choose to be discriminated against, hated, and even killed for being who they are/want to be?

I suppose that there are those gays that are born gay... but then again, there are factors that could tie into all of this. Say, a young boy was raped or molested by an older guy... Often...repeatedly. Then yes, it could have an effect on the young boy and change his mindset on dating and what not. This is because the boy feels as if it's okay... I mean, he doesn't know any better, right? He just feels cool and accepted by someone he looks up to. So, he continues to do whatever is said to be done to please the older guy sexually. Sure, it's wrong... but it happens... all the time.

[mai_z]

I believe that the majority of gays are born gay. However, there maybe a few who are bi, but choose to be exclusively gay. I've heard the theory about the chemicals in your brain, and it does make sense in a way. Most people just assume people to be straight because of our culture, so that's why I think that people believe that gays are 'turned' that way.

[sadolakced acid]

people aren't born gay just like people aren't born left handed.

it just doesn't happen.

[technicolour]

^ Yes!

You can't be born gay.

You develop into that..over time...

[sadolakced acid]

err...

you did catch the sarcasm, right?

[mai_z]

LMAO looks like someone didn't notice the sarcasm.
Actually, I've heard that being left/right handed is related to the side the baby slept on, but I don't think that was ever confirmed.

[eunie03]

people aren't born gay just like people aren't born left handed.

it just doesn't happen.

Haha, I did catch your sarcasm... and I agree. But you know... *technically* the same argument can be used with left-handedness. You can be conditioned over time.

[simx]

I'm bi... and I'm pretty sure I was born that way...
I sure as hell didn't choose to be like this =/

[itsARIE]

Last Year (my senior year) one of my very good friends came out about his "sexuality"... his parents are super christian... so it was a big deal! I've had a lot of thought about this and this is my view.

"I do not believe that people are born gay"... although ppl say it... i don't believe it. God (in my oppinion) did not make anyone gay. Now, I'm not saying that they choose to be gay. I'm just simply saying they weren't born that way... no way, no how (in my mind atleast)

[mai_z]

Well if they aren't born gay, and they didn't choose to be gay, how exactly do you think that they become gay? Our society? Poisoned water?? radioactive spider bite?

[sadolakced acid]

satan whispered in thier ear that jesus loved them and now they want to love jesus back.

[Joss-eh-lime]

^okayy..


people arent born gay...

[eunie03]

people arent born gay...

Why not?

[simx]

Why not?

yea.... why not?... I'd really like to know why I wasn't born "gay"

[Retrogressive]

People aren't born gay, they don't even choose to be gay. It's something that's inexplicable. I'm bi, i didn't choose to be bi, i'm attracted to girls and that's it.

THANK YOU!

To me, sexuality doesn't matter that much. I was stressing and stressing on how to put myself in a little box with a neat little label. I think people who say they are GAY and STRAIGHT are just lyeing to themselves. I don't know why we as human beings have to be so closeminded about everything. It's not a matter of being straight or gay, it's a matter of loving with all your heart- whomever it may be.

[islandkiss]

^okayy..
people arent born gay...

care to explain?

what I really want to know is if people aren't born gay, why would they choose to be apart of a highly hated group?

[*Weird addiction*]

^ How in the world can someone be born gay? It's NOT possible. I'm not sure you choose to be gay either. Sexuality isn't a choice nor are you born with it.

One question, did you choose to be straight (if you are). If yes, how? Did you just sit down one day and said to yourself "i'm going to be straight"?.

[eunie03]

^ How in the world can someone be born gay? It's NOT possible. I'm not sure you choose to be gay either. Sexuality isn't a choice nor are you born with it.

One question, did you choose to be straight (if you are). If yes, how? Did you just sit down one day and said to yourself "i'm going to be straight"?.

It has to be one or the other. Or both. It can't be neither... or else it wouldn't exist.

[islandkiss]

^ How in the world can someone be born gay? It's NOT possible. I'm not sure you choose to be gay either. Sexuality isn't a choice nor are you born with it.

One question, did you choose to be straight (if you are). If yes, how? Did you just sit down one day and said to yourself "i'm going to be straight"?.

I didn't choose to be staight. i've just been always attracted to guys.

[technicolour]

LMAO looks like someone didn't notice the sarcasm.
Actually, I've heard that being left/right handed is related to the side the baby slept on, but I don't think that was ever confirmed.

I sleep on my left side and I'm right handed...go figure.

Eh I did...sort of...I'm getting too slow these days.

If you are of the assumpetion that people ARE born gay, please explain yourself.

[jEllyBeaNs]

i dont think that ppl are born gay. i think its just an excuse for liking the same sex. once i asked my friend why he is gay, and he just said becuz he wants to be. so i just think that ppl choose to be gay!








for anyone who is gay in here, why do you think u were born gay? cuz it seems to me, that most ppl are just using it as an excuse.

[*mipadi*]

i dont think that ppl are born gay. i think its just an excuse for liking the same sex. once i asked my friend why he is gay, and he just said becuz he wants to be. so i just think that ppl choose to be gay!
for anyone who is gay in here, why do you think u were born gay? cuz it seems to me, that most ppl are just using it as an excuse.

Well, I think your one friend is hardly a representative sampling of all homosexuals.

[*RiC3xBoy*]

No, its not possible to be born gay(imo). The environment you grow up in and how your mentality matures decides if you are gay. Infant babys can barely process symbols let alone the attraction of the same sex.

[simx]

i dont think that ppl are born gay. i think its just an excuse for liking the same sex. once i asked my friend why he is gay, and he just said becuz he wants to be. so i just think that ppl choose to be gay!
for anyone who is gay in here, why do you think u were born gay? cuz it seems to me, that most ppl are just using it as an excuse.

using it as an excuse for what?

No, its not possible to be born gay(imo). The environment you grow up in and how your mentality matures decides if you are gay. Infant babys can barely process symbols let alone the attraction of the same sex.

I think you can still be born gay... it's just something you discover later on in life.

[Olive]

No, its not possible to be born gay(imo). The environment you grow up in and how your mentality matures decides if you are gay. Infant babys can barely process symbols let alone the attraction of the same sex.

Hey I found this in the Lounge (<- clicky) and recognised your avatar. To the question, you replied:

1) What do you think caused your heterosexuality? Instincts

Could you relate that to your debate on homosexuality? That it is also caused by instincts, or is that only applicable to your heterosexuality?
hmm, seems to me a bit contradictory.

[*xcaitlinx*]

I sleep on my left side and I'm right handed...go figure.

me too.


no, i don't think so. most people are born straight but then become gay when they get older.

[Retrogressive]

^ AN EXCUSE FOR WHAT? ^

You can argue that you were born left-handed or right.
And then AGAIN you can argue that you were born liking applejacks.

We are talking about different personailties, genetics, and DNA. Maybe there is no right and wrong answer. Maybe it's both.

[ParanoidAndroid]

is there really such thing as a baby being born with "gay" dna/genes? if a person was born gay they would genes and dna of that...but no such thing..maybe a person can think they're a heterosexual and then find out later in life as they mentally mature that they're actually gay

[sadolakced acid]

why do i have a feeling this is going to become simply a nature vs. nurture shouting match?

[ParanoidAndroid]

^cuz basically..it is a nature vs. nurture shouting match

[*Weird addiction*]

I didn't choose to be staight. i've just been always attracted to guys.

That is my point. They didn't choose to be gay, they weren't born gay. This is mission impossible. Nobody REALLY knows if sexuality is a choice or if we are born with it. We are all guessing. You have to be a genius or "god" to be 100 % sure.

[jEllyBeaNs]

using it as an excuse for what?

I think you can still be born gay... it's just something you discover later on in life.

saying they are born gay. they use it as an excuse for liking the same sex!

[glit_gal]

Well with the debate over nature v. nurture i've always been the one to believe that people are affected by nurture moreover than by nature. So in the case with being born gay, i disagree. I don't think gay people are born that way just as transexuals aren't born transexuals. Obviously there was a time in their life when transexuals weren't transexual and were happy with their gender. Just the same i think there was a time when homosexuals were happy with liking the opposite sex. It's just that with the environment and people around them that they grew up with made a change in their sexual preference.

[pandamonium]

i dont think that ppl are born gay. i think its just an excuse for liking the same sex. once i asked my friend why he is gay, and he just said becuz he wants to be. so i just think that ppl choose to be gay!
for anyone who is gay in here, why do you think u were born gay? cuz it seems to me, that most ppl are just using it as an excuse.

WHY DO WE NEED AN EXCUSE FOR LIKING SOMEONE ? WHAT FOR? THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WHY DO YOU HAVE AN EXCUSE TO LIKE GIRLS? IT REALLY REALLY DOESNT MAKE SENSE. YOU ARE MAKING MY HEAD HURT CAUSE THERE IS NO ABSOLUTE SENSE IN WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

WELL YOUR FRIEND IS STUPID, HOW DO YOU CHOSE TO BE GAY, YOU DONT CHOSE YOU JUST ARE, DEPENDING ON THE RELATIONSHIP AND HOW THEY FEEL TORWARDS ONE PERSON IS HOW YOU FIGURE OUT.

SO YOUR FRIEND HE CHOSE TO BE GAY, SO HE IS ATTRACTED TO GIRLS BUT WANTS TO LIKE GUYS? CAUSE THATS WHAT IM GETTING OUT OF YOUR POST.

[*Weird addiction*]

^ No need for the caps. But i'm with you.

[Comptine]

jellybeans, if someone can choose to be gay, that means someone can choose to be straight.

did you choose to be straight? did you wake up one morning and was like, "i want to be straight."

if that's the case, then before someone chooses their sexual orientation, they had to be something else. so before you friend "choose" to be gay, he was either asexual or straight. if you are straight, that means before you choose to be straight, you were either gay or asexual.

i wonder what i was before i was straight...

[*disco infiltrator*]

People are more or less asexual before their hormones kick in. They don't actually have attraction to anyone, they only feed off of influences from the outside world. Therefore, when a teenager goes through puberty, their hormones combobulate and come out with whatever they are attracted to. Just like a person turns out to be attracted to certain qualities of another person without being able to help it, people turn out to be attracted to a certain gender. So, it happens during puberty. It's luck of the draw, just like the gender of yourself is luck of the draw.

That's what I think.

[*RiC3xBoy*]

Hey I found this in the Lounge (<- clicky) and recognised your avatar. To the question, you replied:
Could you relate that to your debate on homosexuality? That it is also caused by instincts, or is that only applicable to your heterosexuality?
hmm, seems to me a bit contradictory.

Living thing's instincts are to reproduce are they not?....Crap, I gotta go, Ill edit this later.

[simx]

saying they are born gay. they use it as an excuse for liking the same sex!

Why would you need an excuse for liking the same sex?....

[eunie03]

Why would you need an excuse for liking the same sex?....

Exactly... Haha. Where do these people come up with these things?

[jEllyBeaNs]

WHY DO WE NEED AN EXCUSE FOR LIKING SOMEONE ? WHAT FOR? THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WHY DO YOU HAVE AN EXCUSE TO LIKE GIRLS? IT REALLY REALLY DOESNT MAKE SENSE. YOU ARE MAKING MY HEAD HURT CAUSE THERE IS NO ABSOLUTE SENSE IN WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

WELL YOUR FRIEND IS STUPID, HOW DO YOU CHOSE TO BE GAY, YOU DONT CHOSE YOU JUST ARE, DEPENDING ON THE RELATIONSHIP AND HOW THEY FEEL TORWARDS ONE PERSON IS HOW YOU FIGURE OUT.

SO YOUR FRIEND HE CHOSE TO BE GAY, SO HE IS ATTRACTED TO GIRLS BUT WANTS TO LIKE GUYS? CAUSE THATS WHAT IM GETTING OUT OF YOUR POST.

PEOPLE ARE NOT, BORN GAY!!! thats what i am saying. i dont know why they need an excuse. i just think that they just say they are born gay, because they really dont kno why they like the same sex. i have a couple of gay friends and when myself and other people ask them why, they just say "becuase",or somethin stupid like" its none of your business". i have never heard any gay person say exactly why they are gay? i mean, to me i think it is just there choice.
and wut are u talking about "HOW DO U CHOOSE TO BE GAY"? ITS NOT THAT HARD! how are people bisexual? did they just come out liking both sexes?!?!

[lKVNiiKINKYl]

i have never heard any gay person say exactly why they are gay? i mean, to me i think it is just there choice.

How are you straight? Is it just your choice? So technically we are all bisexual and if you're straight you just choose to overshadow the homosexual part?

[jEllyBeaNs]

How are you straight? Is it just your choice? So technically we are all bisexual and if you're straight you just choose to overshadow the homosexual part?

huh? srry im not tryin to be mean or anything, but u lost me. yea, i chose to be straight. i dont see wut your point is. but u lost me on, how technically we are all bisexual.

[eunie03]

PEOPLE ARE NOT, BORN GAY!!! thats what i am saying.  i dont know why they need an excuse. i just think that they just say they are born gay, because they really dont kno why they like the same sex.

How do you know they're not saying that because they really believe they're born gay?

and wut are u talking about "HOW DO U CHOOSE TO BE GAY"? ITS NOT THAT HARD! how are people bisexual? did they just come out liking both sexes?!?!

Umm... yes? Maybe? That's what we're trying to figure out.

I don't choose to like cheesecake. I just do.

[simx]

I'm bisexual...

[eunie03]

I'm bisexual... 

You bisexuals.... Just make up your minds already....

......


I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding!

[simx]

You bisexuals.... Just make up your minds already....

......
I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding! 

*shrug* well right now I prefer girls more... but some days it changes

[eunie03]

*shrug* well right now I prefer girls more... but some days it changes 

Boys are trouble, anyway

[*disco infiltrator*]

Boys indeed are stupid, confusing creatures.

Anywho. I don't believe gay people are born gay. You aren't born straight, are you? Did you have the desire to kiss someone of the opposite sex when you were five? Or did you think they had cooties and you couldn't touch them? I'm a girl and I didn't really like boys. They were icky. I had no attraction until I went through puberty. Isn't that when people grow up and develop their pituitary (sp?) gland? The pituitary gland causes sexual attraction. You don't become attracted to people before you go through puberty.

Think, people.
And read my other theory. No one agrees with it? I mean, really, it seems most logical. That's how they explain depression, too. Imbalance of hormones.

[Comptine]

i think it can be a whole host of problems. i mostly believe in hormonal imbalance but i've met someone who originally liked girls but she was such a fcuking bitch to him and after that he just kept on going out with horrible girls. so slowly, he got to thinking that guys would be a better match.

btw, i've seen six year old kissing and growing out. >< and then there were little kids doing sexual activities.

[*disco infiltrator*]

Yea, but that's due to influence from media and their parents and whatnot. When you were six, did you ever really think "Hey that guy's pretty attractive "? No.

[Retrogressive]

Boys indeed are stupid, confusing creatures. hammer.gif

Anywho. I don't believe gay people are born gay. You aren't born straight, are you? Did you have the desire to kiss someone of the opposite sex when you were five? Or did you think they had cooties and you couldn't touch them? I'm a girl and I didn't really like boys. They were icky. I had no attraction until I went through puberty. Isn't that when people grow up and develop their pituitary (sp?) gland? The pituitary gland causes sexual attraction. You don't become attracted to people before you go through puberty.

Think, people.
And read my other theory. No one agrees with it? I mean, really, it seems most logical. mellow.gif That's how they explain depression, too. Imbalance of hormones.

I don't think anyone could have said it better. I was attracted to Barney and crayons when I was six.

[murderous_though...]

Its impossible to be 100% either one...Thats why we have parents that both have brown hair and they give birth to a kid with blonde hair, which would be nature. That doesnt have anything to do with WHO they are as a person. That's due to what is called "life changing experiences" or "epiphanies", the nurture. Nobody is BORN a mass murderer, they get that way becuse of how they are treated in life. Do you think the Columbine kids planned that shooting? No, they were abused, rejected, mistreated, and scorned throughout life and thats what warped their minds...Nurture...Being 6'8" or having abnormally slow metabolism, having blonde hair and green eyes is nature, you cant help that, but each person can help how they react to situations.

[*disco infiltrator*]

This should be merged with the "are you born gay?" topic.

[jEllyBeaNs]

Its impossible to be 100% either one...Thats why we have parents that both have brown hair and they give birth to a kid with blonde hair, which would be nature.  That doesnt have anything to do with WHO they are as a person.  That's due to what is called "life changing experiences" or "epiphanies", the nurture.  Nobody is BORN a mass murderer, they get that way becuse of how they are treated in life.  Do you think the Columbine kids planned that shooting? No, they were abused, rejected, mistreated, and scorned throughout life and thats what warped their minds...Nurture...Being 6'8" or having abnormally slow metabolism, having blonde hair and green eyes is nature, you cant help that, but each person can help how they react to situations.

OmG i love you! ppl choose to be gay. like u said ppl aren't born mass murders, ppl aren't born to kill other ppl. so how are ppl just born gay, and others not?

[Comptine]

^ uh... he's not saying that at all. he's saying that people aren't born gay but turn gay because of trauma or other life-changing situations. he's saying that people aren't born gay but because of special circumstances, they become gay.

that's the reason some people are gay and some aren't. because some people grew up in different situations.

there's some flaws in that theory. a majority of homosexuals were raised by heterosexuals and a lot were even raised in strong religious families. how does a heterosexual couple nuture a child to become homosexual?

[Retrogressive]

Why the hell are you comparing mass murders to gay people, I find that very offensive! I don't think that was the right way to say what you were trying to express.

[ParanoidAndroid]

^Some people are just cruel like that. (although he isn;t comparing mass murderers to gay people, he was using the example of HOW someone becomes someone. Even though it sounded harsh, it is kinda true how someone becomes who they are)

If it just me but do I feel like I am using gay people as a "lab rat" for an experiment? I don't like the idea of doubting homosexuality

*edit*
you know, I agree with the people who said you're not born gay or straight. When I was young I hated boys for being stupid and i liked anime a lot now i am all throwing myself for boys. I think it's more of influence that makes someone gay but really, I don't want to judge someone how they become who they are. Maybe it;s better to ask someone who IS gay but then again they might not know it themselves. It just happens. If you're born gay, then you must have gay DNA in you. But there is no such thing as gay DNA. It's just like that.

[jEllyBeaNs]

^ uh... he's not saying that at all. he's saying that people aren't born gay but turn gay because of trauma or other life-changing situations. he's saying that people aren't born gay but because of special circumstances, they become gay.

that's the reason some people are gay and some aren't. because some people grew up in different situations.

there's some flaws in that theory. a majority of homosexuals were raised by heterosexuals and a lot were even raised in strong religious families. how does a heterosexual couple nuture a child to become homosexual?

ok. thx for restating it for me

[sadolakced acid]

people are born predisposed to be gay or straight.

it's in the genes.

and as strange as it may sound, gayness is a pretty good trait for ensuring the survival of a species.

straight males often assert thier dominance. Male lions will kill or kick out thier male young. They will kill all male young when they take over a pride.

however, if the dominant male fails to produce male offspring, and with no other males, the group will die out.

gay males, therefore, are a saftey net. they are not killed as competition by straight males, because they are not. however, when they are the last ones left, with encouragement from the females they can ensure the species continues.


it's like with wasps, unfertilized wasp eggs develop into males. the female wasp then mates with her male offspring to propogate the species.

almost all species has some sort of safety net. gay males may just be humanity's safety net.

which would mean, it's genetic.

[*disco infiltrator*]

Justin, did you consider my little theory?

Were you born straight? Attracted to females from day one, without influences from media and your parents? When you went through puberty, you felt no change in that?

[sadolakced acid]

i'm saying predisposed...

like, when you're born, it's already written in your genes that when you hit puberty you'll be gay or straight...

[*disco infiltrator*]

But how could that be if you're not either as a child? Your genes are always there. They don't just appear during puberty. Besides, puberty is alllll about hormones and how they are balanced, where they go. Why wouldn't sexual determination have to deal with that too, seeing as that's when attraction starts?

[sadolakced acid]

your hormones are set by your genes tho.

[*disco infiltrator*]

No they're not. O_o You meet a person and are/are not attracted to them based on the balance of your hormones. You think it's set when you're concieved who you're going to be attracted to?