Jesus... gay?? Options

[latinprep12]

Well was he? There appears to be nothing in the bible to suggest otherwise. I ask this as a serious question as it would throw so much light on current issues and debates about homosexuality.

This is in no way intended to offended Christians...it is a serious search for some truth. There is certainly nothing I can see in the bible that indicates that he was Heterosexual and homosexuality was widely practised at the time. It also interest me that of the twelve chosen to be his disciples they were all men.

Maybe someone can put me right on some biblical knowledge. But I cannot find a single passage where he sees women as 'desireable' and yet he is always on the lookout for men 'A fisher of men'.

Your thoughts would be appreciated. and yes this is a serious topic

[technicolour]

Have you read The DaVinci Code by Dan Brown?

http://www.randomhouse.com/doubleday/davinci/



read that. See if that makes any sense.



.....I have a feeling this may turn into a discussion about that book...

[latinprep12]

^ I seen the book before in the stores and never thought any of it, but im gonna buy it to read it

[*mipadi*]

Jesus may have had something going on with Mary Magdalene; at any rate, I doubtful He was a homosexual. I've never seen anything to suggest that that is the case.

Of course, Jesus' sexuality does not play a major part of anything in the Bible, which would help explain why it is not mentioned.

[technicolour]

Read It.

I'll give you the sparks notes.

There is this secret soceity who claims that Jesus and Mary Magdelane [i have no clue how to spell it] were "romantic". And they had a child...


there's like tons more to it..


Just read the book.


The book is quite controversial as well...but bah what isn't


Ok, wait, why would Jesus be gay when he condems Homoesexuality in the bible?

[*mipadi*]

Ok, wait, why would Jesus be gay when he condems Homoesexuality in the bible?

Does He condemn homosexuality in the Bible?

[technicolour]

Hold on...i'll look it up

Putting these texts to the side, we are left with three references, all of which unequivocally condemn homosexuality. Leviticus 18:22 states the principle: "You [masculine] shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." The second (Lev. 20:13) adds the penalty: "If a man lies with a male as a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death, their blood is upon them." 
Such an act was considered as an "abomination" for several reasons. The Hebrew prescientific understanding was that male semen contained the whole of nascent life. With no knowledge of eggs and ovulation, it was assumed that the woman provided only the incubating space. Hence the spilling of semen for any procreative purpose -- in coitus interruptus (Gen 38:1-11), male homosexual acts or male masturbation -- was considered tantamount to abortion or murder. (Female homosexual acts and masturbation were consequently not so seriously regarded.) One can appreciate how a tribe struggling to populate a country in which its people were outnumbered would value procreation highly, but such values are rendered questionable in a world facing total annihilation through overpopulation. 

[Paradox of Life]

Nowhere in the Bible does it state that he is homosexual. Nowhere in the Bible does it state that he is heterosexual. I think it's safe to assume he was heterosexual since it seems homosexuality is condemned... And even so, I don't think it matters. God doesn't partake in relationships.

[AngryBaby]

i agree^ wow some uber religous people like my aunt would have a heart attack if they saw this haha. but didnt he have something goin' on with mary magdeline?

[Paradox of Life]

^ Ooh. Jesus has a crush. -sings and dances around- Wait? Where is this happening? Why is there relgious gossip? I'm confused!! [/stupidity]

[AngryBaby]

Jesus and mary sittin' in a tree,

oh my, that was probably the most blasphemous thing i ever said haha. [sorry jesus] curse you family guy!

[SillyCourtney]

Does He condemn homosexuality in the Bible?

Jesus didn't, but God did in Leviticus.

And the secret society mentioned in The Da Vinci Code is the Priory of Sion.

[ParanoidAndroid]

I don't think Jesus is gay. In the Davinci code, it said something about him having something going on with Mary Magdalene but I don't believe any of the facts that Jesus is gay or had any affair with Mary Magdalene. Even if Jesus is gay, it doesn't really matter to me. But I believe when I read te bible, the reasons were elaborated on why Jesus let the 12 disciples be his disciples. At first they followed him and then Jesus questioned them of their faith and when they passed he renamed them. I don't think the reason to why he has 12 disciples that consist of men has anything to do with Jesus being gay.

[Paradox of Life]

The Da Vinci Code is fake. It's a fiction novel. Have any of you read Cracking The Da Vinci Code? Don't take a fiction novel seriously. The 'facts' and 'subliminal messages' presented in it are mostly lies to make the book seem more interesting.

[AngryBaby]

but they did somethingon the discovery channel about it and the holy grale type thingy.

[latinprep12]

^x2 Thats why I <3 her. shes so smart and can probably be in college right now. well i wanna know more or who to believe and what book should i read?

[Shahin]

^x2 Thats why I <3 her. shes so smart and can probably be in college right now. well i wanna know more or who to believe and what book should i read? 

Read the Da Vinci Code, simply because It's an amazingly good book. Then read Cracking the Da Vinci Code. It all suddenly makes sense. And no, Jesus was not a homosexual. Damn.

[Comptine]

^ well the uproar might equal to what happened when historians concluded that there was no way for jesus to be white.they concluded (a majority) that jesus had to be either arab/mix of the different people around the area but definitely not white.

the disciples were all men because at that time, women were not allowed to have any type of significant role. jesus wouldn't be gay. most likely, celibate (sp?) or something.

[technicolour]

The Da Vinci Code is fake. It's a fiction novel. Have any of you read Cracking The Da Vinci Code? Don't take a fiction novel seriously. The 'facts' and 'subliminal messages' presented in it are mostly lies to make the book seem more interesting.

Alright. Maybe I should have said this before. I KNOW IT IS FAKE. IT IS A LOAD OF PROPAGANDA.

I've read Pastor's "rebuittles" to the books, and their's make more sense, for what i believe and my own curiousity.

I was merely using that as an example that some people think he was more than just Jesus... Other people think he is other things...

Catch my drift?


What I would like to know, and this is directed more towards Max, but, what made you wonder this exactly? I mean..it just seemed so random.

[Paradox of Life]

^x2 Thats why I <3 her. shes so smart and can probably be in college right now. well i wanna know more or who to believe and what book should i read? 

Lol .. Erm, should this topic be closed? It doesn't really seem to be a debate since everyone's on the same side pretty much.

Oh and btw, I did my cousin's algebra homework correctly and he's a Junior (11th) in advanced classes.

[technicolour]

Algebra is fun. It's a hella lot easier than Gemoetry.

...and you're 12?!

oh. my. god.

You should come here. You could skip grades. My friend is taking pre-cal and she's like 15?


Max: What exactly made you wonder this?

I wanna know before this gets closed...which may be soon.

[latinprep12]

umm its called boredom and well i was just wondering and today's a sunday so i read some parts from the bible, and i <3 the debate forum, it shows who knows what and who doesnt and im really impress, by katt and you and that mipadi guy. you guys are smart. katt is so perfect and she probably be running for president soon, and i bet her husband will never win a debate in her house. alot of couch sleeping for him if he tries to act smart. haha

[technicolour]

Out of sheer boredom?

Hmph..

Katt. If you run for President. And you are running for the right reasons. You got my vote.


...and I'm really bad at this debate stuff. I can never really write exactly what i'm trying to say. something gets lost between the head and the hands.

[Gigi]

Okay, now you all are just bordering on spam. Let's keep the topic about how Jesus is gay/not gay. Thank you.

[Paradox of Life]

Katt. If you run for President. And you are running for the right reasons. You got my vote.

Thanks. I'll use my power of manipulation to get people to send cookies to you daily.

Okay, so this won't be spam, I'll take the side of homosexual to keep it runnin'.

Imagine if the people who wrote the Bible really did include subliminal messages. I don't mean to say anything disrespectful, but maybe they intended to hide something in there that could be later discovered if people read close enough and read carefully enough. I mean the Bible has A LOT and if you can interpret certain things correctly it could lead you in a different direction. Maybe the fact that homosexuality seems to be condemned could be like a diversion to drive away from the reason that Jesus may have been homosexual. It's not mainstream and I suppose it could've been a coverup. No one knows exactly what happened and there are no definite facts, so there's an equal chance to him being homosexual as he could be hetereosexual.

Homosexuality exists. Why is it so unlikely that Jesus was homosexual? There is no definite fact that he ever had a relationship. Homosexuality is a variation of the mind and should never be condemned if God wanted to treat everyone equally.

Again, I'm not Christian, so sorry if my facts are unclear.

[*suddenly she*]

as a christian, for me, Jesus = God.
and God.. doesn't ... have sex with anyone.

oh, bafflement.

[Spirited Away]

Jesus = God.
and God.. doesn't ... have sex with anyone.

that's what i'm thinking.

[ComradeRed]

I'm pretty sure Jesus was beyond sexual desire...

[dancerellie714]

Jesus had desciples that were all men because women were ment to stay and have families and the desciples all traveled around. that one time when Jesus talked to the woman at the well he could have been greatly punished and she could have been accused of adultury (i had to have spelled that wrong) and stoned. back then it wouldnt have been socially exceptable for Jesus to have a pack of woman with him all the time.

Jesus's sexual preference will always be assumed hetero because the bible condones homosexuality and the bible also says that Jesus lived a sinless life. it's because Jesus was sinless that his death on the cross was 'the ultimate sacrifice'. and at any rate, in the world today when you "like someone" or you're "attracted to someone" you are lusting after them. Lust is yet another thing condoned in the bible and so Jesus didnt do it.

[bellpepper]

as a christian, for me, Jesus = God.
and God.. doesn't ... have sex with anyone.

oh, bafflement.

I agree. Jesus never sinned during his time on this earth. He's perfect. So theres no way he could be a homosexual. Becuase homosexuality is a sin. That would be going agaisnt his own word.

[marfmallow]

One, this is pointless because there is no way of proving right or wrong since all we can base our points on is pure belief. There's no such thing as pure truth. I'm a hardcore believer in God, but then again I am not completely sure my beliefs are right, I just have faith in them.
Two, let's forget what I just said for a minute and keep on-track. Jesus was not heterosexual or homosexual or anysexual. Jesus was sent to this earth for the sole purpose of teaching and saving our souls from being condemned forever. I think I spelled that wrong maybe, blah blah blah. The crap with Mary Magdalene [or however it's spelled because I'm thinking of the Spanish spelling but that's not important right now] is most probably not true. She might've liked him, but he was not capable of liking her back, due to the fact that he wasn't sent to this world to live a regular human life. That and... how could he have kids? nonono.
Three, I hate when people try to act like smartasses to try to prove themselves better than others, and there's one girl in this forum that just gets on my nerves but I'll remain silent as of who she is. No it's not the really smart 12-yr-old, I think she's pretty cool.
Ok. I think I'm done, even though I could be forgetting half of what I wanted to say. [:

[*mishyerr*]

...I'm not Christian, but if Jesus was gay.. than wouldn't defeat the whole purpose of why God said 'homosexuality is wrong?' (Which I don't believe, but...)

I don't think Jesus was gay. and him looking for men wasn't for sexual purposes, it was for him to teach what he was teaching.

[*mzkandi*]

One, this is pointless because there is no way of proving right or wrong since all we can base our points on is pure belief.

Thus, the beauty of debate.

Something I found that was interesting. For those that question why a debate like this would come into question.
http://www.postfun.com/pfp/homosexual.html#scripturehomo

But Scripture never condemns homosexual behavior by itself. It is condemned when practicing idolatry or sacred prostitution. It is condemned when promoting promiscuity. It is condemned when forcing violent rape or seducing children. And it is condemned when violating a guests' right to dignity as a male.

Also, Scriptural references only speak of homosexual acts - not homosexual people. Not until the Revised Standard Version of the Bible (revised from the King James version in 1885) do we find references to homosexuals themselves. These occur in translating the Greek words "malakoi" and "arsenokoitai" in Paul's letters.

Never is the issue of homosexual behavior between loving, homosexual partners addressed in Scripture. The reason is simple: biblical cultures did not have knowledge of homosexuality as a psychological identity. In biblical times homosexuality was known only by the acts people committed, not as a sexual personality. A person born heterosexual assumed homosexual acts to be something people did for dominance or in perversion of their inner identity.

Scripture and Homosexuality

Jesus homo? I still personally think not. There are numerous scriptures I could quote but if you all that interested go pick up the bible for yourself.

[*suddenly she*]

i think an interesting question would be, do homosexual acts make homosexual people (in biblical times)?

probably not nowadays, since there are tons of people goofing around at school, but anyway.

opinions, please.

as for me, 26B-27A sound as if they aren't just acts. in 27B, they say acts, but they say relations before. acts seem to be encompassed by relations, if you ask me.

26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

romans 1:26-27, NIV

biblegateway.com


sorry if this is branching off a bit.

[mai_z]

i think an interesting question would be, do homosexual acts make homosexual people (in biblical times)?

I think that to people in biblical times, it was the homosexual acts that were condemned and not the people. However, I'm only saying this because from what i've seen, it's the acts that were condemned, and they didn't seem to recognise homosexuality as a state of being, but rather a lustful idea.

[Shahin]

Jesus is not God. He was a completely normal human being (normal, of course, relating to the divinity issue). Normality includes sexual desire. Now, I'm pretty sure that Jesus was not a homo, but I think it is entirely possible that he had feelings for a female, very possibly Mary Magdalene. I don't know where you all are coming from saying that he was a living God, and that he didn't have any purpose on this Earth except saving us all from condemnation. Oh, the Bible, right.
Jesus was a good guy. He was an important Prophet, maybe the most important, and this is coming from a Muslim. But God? Or even the son of God? Don't make me laugh. If that's the case, then one can dispute that Muhammad was God's cousin twice removed.

It's as laughable as saying Jesus was white.**

**OH DRAMA!!

[technicolour]

Thanks. I'll use my power of manipulation to get people to send cookies to you daily.

I like cookies. Especially Oreo's. But anyways.

Jesus is not God

That sentence right there has been up for debate since like, ever. Whether Jesus was God, or is the Son of God.


Why would Jesus be homosexual when the Bible, who was written by God, through men, says homosexuality is a no-no?

Why are all the pastors fighting against legalizing Gay Marriage?

The Bible says it's a no-no.

[Shahin]

That sentence right there has been up for debate since like, ever. Whether Jesus was God, or is the Son of God.

Or whether Jesus is neither the Son of God nor God himself, or if he was simply a man, a prophet. Why didn't you list that as a choice?

Why would Jesus be homosexual when the Bible, who was written by God, through men, says homosexuality is a no-no?

The Bible was written by Men, through Jesus, over 500 years after his death.

[sadolakced acid]

Out of sheer boredom?

Hmph..

Katt. If you run for President. And you are running for the right reasons. You got my vote.
...and I'm really bad at this debate stuff. I can never really write exactly what i'm trying to say. something gets lost between the head and the hands.

how about meeee

do i get your vote?

i'd be running in order to wrest power from the people and set up a society bent on conquering the mutant fiends on mars.

as a christian, for me, Jesus = God.
and God.. doesn't ... have sex with anyone.

oh, bafflement.

errr...

didn't god the father impregnate the young girl mary?

[technicolour]

Immaculately conceived. However that is spelled.

Justin: If I get cookies, psh, i'll vote. Just dont tell my Weight Watchers lady.

Shanin: He couldn't have been simply a man. A normal man can't be brought back to life. I forgot the fancy term.

So what it was over 500 years? My math book was written by men about 10 years ago. Wow.

[Paradox of Life]

I know this might be random, but if God created homosexuality, why does he condemn it?

[Spirited Away]

Jesus is not God.

um, what? have you ever heard of the trinity? no? strange.

I know this might be random, but if God created homosexuality, why does he condemn it?

nature v nurture debate

[dancerellie714]

I know this might be random, but if God created homosexuality, why does he condemn it?

he gave man the choice of free will.

if we put this in extreme terms...it's like saying "god created murderers so why would he condemn them?"

[Spirited Away]

he gave man the choice of free will.

if we put this in extreme terms...it's like saying "god created murderers so why would he condemn them?"

i really don't want this to go off topic so i apologize in advance, but free choice is what makes Man evil. It's a double edged sword.

[Paradox of Life]

he gave man the choice of free will.

if we put this in extreme terms...it's like saying "god created murderers so why would he condemn them?"

Didn't He also want to treat all men equally despite their differences? Wouldn't He know it's just a mental variance? Homosexuality isn't a choice.

[*suddenly she*]

how about meeee 

do i get your vote?

i'd be running in order to wrest power from the people and set up a society bent on conquering the mutant fiends on mars.
errr...

didn't god the father impregnate the young girl mary?

i said this before, but i'm not catholic, so anyone who wants to jump in, jump in.
jesus was a miracle. yes, the holy spirit gave jesus to mary, but it doesn't mean the holy spirit had sex with mary.

and shahin. eh. i guess we just have different beliefs on that, so i don't think it would have much use saying "jesus = prophet" and "jesus = God" over and over. it just doesn't seem too productive. or blah happened and blah didn't happen, for that matter.

sprinkle-the-stars: coughcoughcoughcoughcoughresurrected.

[dancerellie714]

Didn't He also want to treat all men equally despite their differences? Wouldn't He know it's just a mental variance? Homosexuality isn't a choice.

do you know for a fact whether homosexuality is a choice or not? that's a who other debate in itself.

[Spirited Away]

do you know for a fact whether homosexuality is a choice or not? that's a who other debate in itself.

i think the point katt was making is that it's NOT a known fact. it is controversy and that's why it's not fair to just say God gave free will and be done with it.

[dancerellie714]

okay i see what you're saying fae...but i think katt actually was meaning that as a fact...just by the way she wrote it so plainly.

[Spirited Away]

uh, yea.. i see that now, sorry. the last sentence is rather emphasized.

[sadolakced acid]

you can explain jesus's ressurection the way the muslims do, by saying the romans killed the wrong person, and then the grave was robbed.

[*anubis*]

you're getting yourself into some deep shit just by starting this topic.

[*suddenly she*]

^yeah. and i want a duck.
not sarcasm. look at his signature!

you can explain jesus's ressurection the way the muslims do, by saying the romans killed the wrong person, and then the grave was robbed.

but jesus would have said they killed the wrong person.
i don't really understand.

[dancerellie714]

you can explain jesus's ressurection the way the muslims do, by saying the romans killed the wrong person, and then the grave was robbed.

okay...is this relating to something i'm missing? because pardon me for being rude if it is.

or maybe you were trying to spark the debate again?

in that case, good work

anyways there is no way that they killed the wrong person. jesus was a highly targeted man for claiming that he was the son of god and such...i dont think that they would make a mistake that big.

[Paradox of Life]

do you know for a fact whether homosexuality is a choice or not? that's a who other debate in itself.

Who the hell would choose homosexuality with all the discrimination going on? I was talking to Frankie about what it was like being gay. He says he thinks girls are cool and sexy and stuff, but would never want to be in a relationship with them. That's how a straight person would think of someone their own gender. You can think someone's cool and sexy, but I doubt you'd actually want to end up marrying them.

Anyway, back on topic. I think Jesus might be gay and might be straight, but does it really matter? Not really. The fact that homosexuality actually exists could lead to this question. Jesus could've actually contributed to the evolution of the gay culture or something of that sort. The fact that this isn't so obvious could say that maybe he was gay and the writers of the Bible and etcetera are trying to cover it up by condemning it.

[technicolour]

nature v nurture debate 

Seriously.

The fact that this isn't so obvious could say that maybe he was gay and the writers of the Bible and etcetera are trying to cover it up by condemning it.

I'm sorry, but that sounds more like a conspiracy theory. but then again, why not? Most people think that Christianity in itself is entirely a conspiracy.

you're getting yourself into some deep shit just by starting this topic.

Ha ha. Thank you soo much for making my day.

[jsmooth4ever]

I think its pretty clear when it tells you homosexuality is wrong in the bible so by saying is jesus gay is kind of an insult but I shall not pass judgement I don't think jesus was gay I think he was to himself.

[mai_z]

I think its pretty clear when it tells you homosexuality is wrong in the bible so by saying is jesus gay is kind of an insult but I shall not pass judgement I don't think jesus was gay I think he was to himself. 

In the bible they say homosexuality is wrong, but we've also been debating whether it is the act of homosexuality or the state of being that is forbidden. If it was only the act, then Jesus could have been gay as long as he didn't act on it.

[sadolakced acid]

okay...is this relating to something i'm missing? because pardon me for being rude if it is.

or maybe you were trying to spark the debate again?

in that case, good work 

anyways there is no way that they killed the wrong person. jesus was a highly targeted man for claiming that he was the son of god and such...i dont think that they would make a mistake that big.

did they have polaroids back then? did jesus sit down for hours and let the romans paint his mug shot, and then have that repainted tons and tons of times? was jesus on TV?

the soldiers who killed jesus might not have actually seen jesus ever.

all you need is a drunk guy claiming he's jesus.

and what better way to affirm divinity than to 'rise' from the dead? if i were jesus, and i were pretending to be the son of god, i wouldn't say they killed the wrong person. i'd say i rose from the dead.

[jsmooth4ever]

In the bible they say homosexuality is wrong, but we've also been debating whether it is the act of homosexuality or the state of being that is forbidden. If it was only the act, then Jesus could have been gay as long as he didn't act on it.

But.. if your father was almighty and could wipe you from existance would you even think of being gay and not acting on it?

[sadolakced acid]

god only condemns the act.

you can be gay all you want.

[jsmooth4ever]

god only condemns the act.

you can be gay all you want.

How could you be gay and never act on it?

[technicolour]

^ I'll just use guys for example.

You can think guys are hot all you want, but if you have, ew, sex, double ew, w/ another guy then seriously. that's a no no.

[jsmooth4ever]

^ I'll just use guys for example.

You can think guys are hot all you want, but if you have, ew, sex, double ew, w/ another guy then seriously. that's a no no.

Can't be given a title when you haven't acted on anything cause how would you know if you are or not if you never ever acted on it so I doubt that jesus is gay not to say he had gay thoughts just pointing out sure you could have a thought in your mind that might come off thats gay to someone else but totally love woman thinking something does not make you gay acting on it does am I false?

[sadolakced acid]

gay= when a man likes a man.

the sin which is forbidden by the bible is when a man has sex with another man, to put it in laymans terms.

[jsmooth4ever]

Point well taken might of wanted to use the word intimate though cause anybody can like anybody or have deeper feelings for don't mistake me for some of these un-educated folks.

[dancerellie714]

did they have polaroids back then?  did jesus sit down for hours and let the romans paint his mug shot, and then have that repainted tons and tons of times?  was jesus on TV?

the soldiers who killed jesus might not have actually seen jesus ever.

all you need is a drunk guy claiming he's jesus.

and what better way to affirm divinity than to 'rise' from the dead?    if i were jesus, and i were pretending to be the son of god, i wouldn't say they killed the wrong person. i'd say i rose from the dead.

actually, Judas, one of his disciples who said he would "commit his life to following Jesus and learn to be like him", was the one who lead the guards to Jesus. Judas had followed Jesus for a very long time and he betrayed him. Judas would DEFINATELY not get the wrong man.

[sadolakced acid]

^ by accident.

what if judas wanted the romans to stop hunting jesus, by leading them to the wrong man?

the soilders wouldn't have known the difference.

[dancerellie714]

there are quite a few passages that foreshadow the betrayal of Judas and talk about it afterwards....and it was by no means an accident.

and cruxifiction is a terrible way to die. if they had gotten the wrong man whether he was drunk or not he would have definately resisted. i have yet to see a report that Jesus (or on your side...the random man) struggled in the least bit and there were tons of witnesses. even if Judas had set up the wrong guy that guy would have definately struggled the slightest bit. there is no way Judas could have "payed off" someone because obviously they would have to die to get their "reward" and obviously when they're dead they dont need money.

[technicolour]

gay=  when a man likes a man.

the sin which is forbidden by the bible is when a man has sex with another man, to put it in laymans terms.

You sound like a jungle man. "when Man has sex with man" Har har.

Anyways.

I'm sorry..but how do you not know you aren't gay? You like the same sex. Is it really that hard?


But Justin already took what I was going to say. Damn you.



I'm confused. I read the thread, but i'm still confused. Who brought up Judas?

[Shahin]

Shanin: He couldn't have been simply a man. A normal man can't be brought back to life. I forgot the fancy term.

Shahin*.

Yeah, a normal man can be brought back to life. If he has God, who can do all things behind him.

um, what? have you ever heard of the trinity? no? strange.

You make me laugh.

[sadolakced acid]

there are quite a few passages that foreshadow the betrayal of Judas and talk about it afterwards....and it was by no means an accident.

and cruxifiction is a terrible way to die. if they had gotten the wrong man whether he was drunk or not he would have definately resisted. i have yet to see a report that Jesus (or on your side...the random man) struggled in the least bit and there were tons of witnesses. even if Judas had set up the wrong guy that guy would have definately struggled the slightest bit. there is no way Judas could have "payed off" someone because obviously they would have to die to get their "reward" and obviously when they're dead they dont need money.

and if the bible didn't detail judas's betrayal then you'd probably say there would be no way one of jesus's deciphels would betray him.

mayhaps, to get the romans to stop hunting jesus, that story was spread, so that judas would be believed. and then it was written into fact by someone hearing it as fact.

and judas could have been paid off.

some people can be chivarous. man gambles his family into slavery. he can't live with himself. this judas needs someone to die for jesus. the man is happy to help, and in return judas pays off his debt so his family can go free.

there are many ways to explain the ressurection of christ.

I'm sorry..but how do you not know you aren't gay? You like the same sex. 

define like then.

[vehvih]

Homo Jesus?? Sure why not? Anyway, I don't think he was homosexual but I do think he had hormones like us.

Homosexuality wasn't even defined back in his age. Homosexuality by nature is accepted in the Bible, but sex on a homosexual is rejected.

[technicolour]

Jesus was kinda like a nun. Nun's aren't allowed to have sex or husbands or whatever after they take their final vows...

Jesus was a nun.

Ok that was purely an anology.

God I can't spell.

define like then.

 

Like? As in I like a guy?

Or was that a trick question?

Oh Shahin! Sorry I mispelt your name. I wasn't wearing my glasses.

[Mulder]

^ i wouldnt say jesus was a nun..

but then, what do i know, im jewish.

i think its possible but very unlikely that jesus was gay. i really doubt that his message would have spread as well...had he been found out. people were just as prejudiced then as they are now.

i do think that he wasn't celibate. i just can't believe that he never had sex. im not saying i believe what the da vinci code says (which is one of the best freakin books ever) but....that he was gay............ not really

i can say whatever i want, and not be afraid that god'll strike me down. hehe. sometimes being the only jew..talking about a christian topic..is fun!

[sadolakced acid]

[quote=Justin]define like then.


[/quote]

Like? As in I like a guy?

Or was that a trick question?

Oh Shahin! Sorry I mispelt your name. I wasn't wearing my glasses.

[/quote]


but there are varying degrees of liking someone, are there not?

[demolished]

Algebra is fun. It's a hella lot easier than Gemoetry.

...and you're 12?!

oh. my. god.

You should come here. You could skip grades. My friend is taking pre-cal and she's like 15?
Max: What exactly made you wonder this?

I wanna know before this gets closed...which may be soon. 

I know Algebra when i was 12 too.


Did you guys know that the each color on a candy cane resemble god's existence. White means, invisible or cannot be seen. Red stands for blood and green stands for gay.

[d0t0rg]

Leonardo da Vinci was gay not Jesus.

[technicolour]

[quote=sadolakced acid,Sep 17 2005, 6:04 PM]
[quote=Justin]define like then.


[/quote]

Like? As in I like a guy?

Or was that a trick question?

Oh Shahin! Sorry I mispelt your name. I wasn't wearing my glasses.

[/quote]
but there are varying degrees of liking someone, are there not?

[/quote]


Well. There's like. Like like. Love. Deep love. and...

yeah anyways.

I dont get this topic anymore.

But yes, Davinci was gay. That fdiaf;ndafd

[Mulder]

[spam]kristina you got a new username! now i have to too!

and davinci was gay. but the guy who wrote the book isnt...at least i dont think he is. with all the girls that robert langdon has sex with, i doubt it.[/spam]

[sadolakced acid]

[quote=Kristinaa,Sep 19 2005, 8:48 PM]
[quote]Like? As in I like a guy?

Or was that a trick question?

Oh Shahin! Sorry I mispelt your name. I wasn't wearing my glasses.

[/quote]
but there are varying degrees of liking someone, are there not?

[/quote]
Well. There's like. Like like. Love. Deep love. and...

yeah anyways.

I dont get this topic anymore.

But yes, Davinci was gay. That fdiaf;ndafd

[/quote]

yea, so there are varying degrees of like.

how much to you have to like a guy to be gay?

[technicolour]

[spam]kristina you got a new username! now i have to too!

and davinci was gay. but the guy who wrote the book isnt...at least i dont think he is. with all the girls that robert langdon has sex with, i doubt it.[/spam]

Dan Brown? He's married...to a woman.

[misoshiru]

the bible condemns homosexuality. so jesus could not have been homosexual.

[sadolakced acid]

jesus never followed the bible.

[demolished]

^
Thats true. Some infomations are made by people. They're fooling us.

[fameONE]

Condemnation of homosexuality is in the OLD testament. Many biblical contradictions stem from the old testament/new testament argument. For the most part, they're two different religious doctrine for the same religious practice. Of course they're going to contradict one another. The old testament also says that failing to fear God will result in cow dung falling from the sky.

Jesus is from the new. He could've been gay, but even then its irrelevant to the religion. Christian culture pushes the 'anit-gay' envelope. For all we know, Jesus was also turnin' trick with Mary Magdeline, but you don't see every televangelist preaching about saving the hookers.

End of story.

[Olive]

Jesus is not homosexual.
We are "sons" and "daughters" of God the Father. And since Jesus is the Son of God, the love he shares, therefore, would be incest with his brothers and sisters rather than homosexuality, if any thing at all. Any form of homosexuality however, can not be assumed since he did not have a "sexual" relationship with the fisherman or his disciples or anyone for that matter that can be varified.

[dahoonpride]

sorry to disappoint you all. but just to clear things up and kinda put a conclusion on to it....Jesus is NOT gay. cuz nowhere in the bible does he mention that he is gay. plus like shown in the bible quotes above...he calls it an abomination.

Jesus was sinless throughout his whole life, cuz that's the only way he could've sacrificed himself on the cross. If he was sinless, how could he go against God's will by being gay? cuz always remember...god created adam and eve. not adam and steve.

even though homosexuality is accepted in some areas, do you honestly believe that homosexuality is normal? if everyone was homosexual then there would be no future generation, no children. and let me argue against evolutionists for this one....if you guys all believe that we evolved for the benefit for our bodies, then explain why our bodies evolved in a way where sexual intercourse is made to be performed between man and women, not man and man , or women and women. it's cuz between man and women is the normal, right way, cuz that's the way god created us and how he wants us to be

And ALSO he had no affair with mary m. nowhere in the bible does it say that jesus had an affair. the da vinci code is complete bull. plus the christian faith comes from the bible. not a fiction novel. other books that contradict the bible have nothing to do with the bible, therefore cannot describe what jesus was like.

just to let you all know...not all...but christians with good understanding of the bible and its history laughs at the davinci code. it's cause almost every accusation it makes is completely false with fake, lack of, or no evidence at all. if you don't believe me research the facts yourself. there's plenty of books that crack it and you can fully research yourself about the accusations.

[sadolakced acid]

no where in the bible does it mention cars.

cars must not exist.

^ sheep.

jesus loves you. and so does michael jackson.

[dahoonpride]

no where in the bible does it mention cars.

cars must not exist.

^ sheep.

jesus loves you.  and so does michael jackson.

sorry...but no offense. with that kind of argument, then i can easily argue that you are also a fag, just like jesus. your argument is that even though it wasn't mentioned in the bible...that doesn't matter cuz the bible doesn't have recordings of everything..right? cuz it obviously doesn't have recordings of cars. but how the crap does that even consider jesus being a fag? the bible has only enough evidence that jesus is a fag just as much as you are a fag, or that abraham lincoln is a fag.

just cuz the bible doesn't mention that jesus wasn't a fag doesn't mean he's a fag.
in fact, the bible mentions that jesus was sinless and it also mentions that homosexuality is wrong and is sin. you put the two and two togther...jesus must not have sinned and been a homosexual cuz he was sinless.

[sadolakced acid]

i'm sorry if you mistook that as an argument.

that was an ad hominem attack and an attack on jesus, neither of which supported by any logic.

that'scus i don'thave time right now to do a full repsonse. i'll do it later, don't worry.

[dahoonpride]

aight....i feel like an idiot now

[fameONE]

  Jesus is not homosexual.
We are "sons" and "daughters" of God the Father. And since Jesus is the Son of God, the love he shares, therefore, would be incest with his brothers and sisters rather than homosexuality, if any thing at all. Any form of homosexuality however, can not be assumed since he did not have a "sexual" relationship with the fisherman or his disciples or anyone for that matter that can be varified.

Thank you for regirgitating a generic answer.

Being a son or daughter of God the Father is metaphor for saying we're connect through him by spirit.

Not everyone's a Christian but you aren't doing the religion justice by presenting an unsupoorted argument.

NEEEXT!

[Olive]

Thank you for regirgitating a generic answer.

Being a son or daughter of God the Father is metaphor for saying we're connect through him by spirit.

Not everyone's a Christian but you aren't doing the religion justice by presenting an unsupoorted argument.

  NEEEXT!

Can you honestly say the accusation of Jesus being gay is a supported topic? You say, being the son or daughter of God the Father is a metaphor. If that is so, then I can also easily say that is the same to be said about His homosexuality.

[fameONE]

Can you honestly say the accusation of Jesus being gay is a supported topic? You say, being the son or daughter of God the Father is a metaphor. If that is so, then I can also easily say that is the same to be said about His homosexuality. 

Your rebuttal implicated that I support the 'Jesus Iz Gay, d00d' argument. I could care less whether or not he as gay, I still think its irrelevant to the religion itself.

Not everyone believes in creation because at this point, evolution is the scientific presence when it comes to the history of human existence.

Ellaborate on Jesus' sexual orientation being a metaphor, plz! KTHXBYE

[Olive]

Your rebuttal implicated that I support the 'Jesus Iz Gay, d00d' argument. I could care less whether or not he as gay, I still think its irrelevant to the religion itself.

Not everyone believes in creation because at this point, evolution is the scientific presence when it comes to the history of human existence.

Ellaborate on Jesus' sexual orientation being a metaphor, plz! KTHXBYE

If you support neither side of this argument, then what are you debating? I have already stated my views on the lunacy of this topic. If you are arguing about religion itself against scientology, make a new topic to serve your ranting needs.

[sadolakced acid]

first we must note that must the new testament was written decades after jesus's death.

then we must remember that it was not written by jesus.

and we must take note of the lack of mention of jesus's sexuality.

which leaves a few possiblities:

- god doesn't have sex, and isn't attacted to humans, so jesus didn't.

- jesus was gay, and therefore didn't have any public relationships, or they were expunged from the records.

- jesus was involved with someone, say, mary magdlene, who the later church did not approve of and she was expunged from the records (or it was never public).


first we will look at the first one:


- god doesn't have sex, and isn't attacted to humans, so jesus didn't.

now, the obvious thing that contradicts this is that god impregnated mary. Which means that god got his sperm into mary. which means sex.
so we either get that god had sex with mary,

OR

that jesus isn't genetically mary's son, and was implanted (all alien style) to grow in mary.

now, looking at the later, we can see that jesus appeared to be a normal human. he was born normally, the pregnacy was normal, etc. We know jesus was a male. we know what jesus tells people about adultry.

what we don't know is whether jesus was attracted at any human, so it's definatly a possiblitiy that jesus wasn't attracted to humans at all.

then let's look at the next possibility.


- jesus was gay, and therefore didn't have any public relationships, or they were expunged from the records.

this would certainly be possible. Many people don't do as they preach, and it is certainly possible that jesus could have done so. However, if jesus was to maintain is god status, he would need to do as he preached.

therefore, if jesus was gay, it was either not public, or the writers of the bible ommitted it in order to help the religion make sense.

so none of these possiblities are removed.

finally; - jesus was involved with someone, say, mary magdlene, who the later church did not approve of and she was expunged from the records (or it was never public).

it is certainly possible, yet doubtful. The church has no problems with prostitutes as long as they have 'repented'. of course, people do crazy things for love, so it's possible jesus still had a relationship with someone who didn't follow his teachings, but then it would have been expunged.


so we have all options as viable, expect for the one about god actually having sex with mary, which would mean that jesus, being an extention of god, would be straight.

the divinity of jesus cannot be disproven, so i will assume that it was not true for the purposes of the debate. i am well aware that this is very much a possibility, but then it'd make the debate pointless, so i'm ignoring it.

SO; if jesus was not divinly immune to being attracted to humans, then we see that either jesus had a gay relationship or jesus had a straight one.

however, there does not seem to be a reason for jesus's straight relationship (if there was one) to be excluded from the bible, expecailly if it were public. slight mention of the savior's humanity would make him more contactable to worshippers. it would certainly benefit the church to mention if jesus had a relationship.

therefore, it is unlikely that jesus had a straight relationship that was known about by any of the writers of the bible.


which leaves that jesus was gay.

[xTINAA]

Jesus is and was not homosexual. In the bible it condemns homosexuality. As people have already stated, Jesus was perfect, pure, holy, without sin. Homosexuality was condemned and Jesus being pure as he was, would not and could not be homosexual. Jesus did not have relations with any human, woman or man, because that is not why he was here. His purpose was not to procreate. Jesus' love, agape, is how he loved everyone, he never had romantic feelings or anything of the sort. There is no way that Jesus was mistakenly killed; that it was the wrong peron. Everyone knew who Jesus was. He traveled much and performed miracles and made claims that he was the Son of God which led him to be widely known. He was persecuted all of his life. His sole purpose was to die on the cross for our sins and because of that there is no way someone else could have accidentally been killed because they claimed they were Jesus. Who would want to do such a thing in the first place? They would get persecuted. People wanted Jesus dead. Why would someone claim to be him? That's not logical. People didn't even want to associate themselves with Jesus for the fear of getting persecuted. Just like Ellen stated, Judas is the one who basically sold Jesus out which is further evidence for the fact that it was not a mistaken death. Also like she said, Jesus did not put up a fight but went willingly. Any other man could not have taken such torture and would not have done so willingly either. There is no reason for Judas to sell out another random person and state that he is Jesus so that that person would die instead. Why? Because again, Jesus' purpose was to die on the cross. About God not having sex and Mary becoming pregnant deal, well, God is all powerful. He made Adam out of dust. God is also not human. Thus, no sperm. Jesus is the "human form" of God. If he was able to make a complete human being, Adam, out of dust and Eve out of one of his ribs I'm positive he could have impregnated a virgin. And this so called "alien style" does not mean that Jesus would have to be deformed or anything of the sort. Once again because God is all powerful Jesus did look human, that was the point. There is no reason for anything to be excluded or expunged from the bible. The bible is all truth, all facts. Of course that's coming from me, a believer, and others will think otherwise. Prostitutes were talked about in the bible. The only ones spoken of were not just those that repented. The bible talked of sinners and talked of those who never once repented, not just of those who repented. Furthermore, of course Jesus did as he preached. Of course. He was perfect, holy, pure, without sin. And removing something to make the religion make more sense is stupid. Sorry, but it is. No religion makes complete sense. That's not the point of it either. It's supposed to be about faith, "being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see." (Hebrews 11:1) which to me connotes that we must also have faith in the bible while we might not entirely understand it. That's why it would be quite pointless to attempt to make the bible make more sense by changing stories. The bible is what it is.

Uhm, I had more to write and address but I'll do that at a later time.

[sadolakced acid]

two things.

paragraphs

propoganda.

you say jesus is pure, holy, etc. support it with somethign other than the bible.

[*mipadi*]

you say jesus is pure, holy, etc.  support it with somethign other than the bible.

In all fairness, that's a bit hard to do; Jesus isn't mentioned in great detail many other places other than the Bible--or, at least, not in places that don't also reference the Bible to support their claims.

The question can also be raised that, since Christianity is based on the Bible, what's the point of even referencing something other than the Bible? Christians don't require the Bible to be supported, so it doesn't really matter that much whether claims are supported elsewhere or not; the religion is based on a single book, the Bible.

I'm not saying it makes a lot of sense or is a good argument necessarily; I'm just playing Devil's advocate for a second.