The CB Revolution, it has begun Options

[EXPLO5ION]

^You are right. I should really think before I post.

Back to the drawing boards for me.

[racoons > you]

If you all are so concerned with moving CB in a better direction as stated in a lot of your applications, then what is with all the whining and negative attitudes, seriously.

a negative attitude works both ways. if i think something is wrong, i will tell you.

which is why we need a memebers suggestion forumn, so we can express our views

That's not always true. Not everything has to be about popularity.

exactly. why does everyone sem to have such a low opinion of us to think that we would be unable to make up our minds for ourselves as to who should become staff?

has it actually occured to anyone to let the voting idea havea trial run, to se if any of the problems you are so sure will occur actually do, rather than assuming automatically that yours is the best way?

also jusun, i know you didnt get a pm from me and i apologize. i accidently colsed the pm box at one point rather than minimizing, and after that it kind of slipped my mind.

If, in the future, the Admins or staff decide to let members vote, everyone who wants to be a moderator could PM an Admin their application. Then someone could just copy and paste the applications into a thread, with out anyones names. Then there would be a poll at the top.

i like that idea. although, as a poll can only have a maximum of ten options, it may be more effective for elligible members to pm their votes to mods/admins as well. as to reduce the possibiltiy of multible voting, each member of staff could be responsible for a certain contingent of voters

for instace, members a-d could go to nicki, e-h to sammi, i-m to elba, and so on.

or alternately it could be done by member number, 1-10,000 to nicki, so on and so forth, although i think the alphabetical idea would be easier

or, we could fuse the two ideas, and place a certain number of mod places up for electiuon, and then the others to be decided by the mod. if applicatons were anonymous, then people wouldnt know who they were voting for, and so would not be aware of who the elected staff member was, thus reducing inequality.

I think I stated my opinion very well, thank you though for your concern in my ability to read.

but.... you said yourself that you didnt read his post... why wouldnt that raise concerns

also, it has come to my attention that some people consider my attitude towards other members to be condecending, and that i may not respect the rules of the site. Firstly, i would like to reitterate that no one has directly raised these concerns with me, and anyone who has a problem PLEASE PM me about it, or I CANNOT FIX IT

as far as my attitude goes, i do not mean to come of i a bad way, and i DO respect the administration and staff. HOWEVER, if i see a problem, i will raise the concern, and as a member of the cb community, i dont see a problem with this.

my attitude to newer members, as i have explained constantly, is this: if i see a new member making mistakes, e.g. spamming, wrong forum, etc. i AM NOT RUDE TO THEM. i point out their error and move on

HOWEVER< if a member is constantly breaking the rules of the site when i know myself and others have told them about it, i react passionately, b/c i feel that they are draging cb down, and need to be dealt with harshly. in many cases, it works

[Where We Are]

^ If you read what I posted, I said I read his first author post and then stated my opinion on it. Acid followed up w/ a reply/argument. I chose to not read it, and not give an opinion on his argument.

Why? It's the same reason i'm not going to read your arguments because I've set my mind that it's a flawed suggestion. Duh. So I abstain from giving an opinion on your replies, although I condemn your original suggestions. Sorry i'm not allowed to voice my opinion, though.

[racoons > you]

you're allowed to voice your opinion. i just think its stupid to do it without reading all of the thread

[DavidJ2318]

here is another reform: give skinners more chances

on my first skin, which they approved, it didnt work on a lot of peoples xanga although it worked on mine.

i was determined and made another skin that i submited and was rejected (apparantly)

about a year later i made another one with all the bugs fixed, submited it and apparantly got rejected once again.

DON'T BLACKLIST PEOPLE, THEY CAN CHANGE

[racoons > you]

can i say something?

well, im gonna, so lets not bother answering that

i think this thread is over now. it got out of hand due to members on BOTH sides of the argument, and i accept some, but by no meas close to all, responsibiltiy for that.

the thread to do with voting for a suggestions forum prduced a claer majority in favour, and as such i think we should let this thread go, and become nothing more than an interesting foot note in cb's history.

lets just wait untl the suggestions forum is opened before we deal with more suggestions, eh? i still believe in the things suggested here, and i think the arguments in favour are somewhat superior to those against, but i think that this thread has no tarnished clear discussion, and that the ideas should be readdressed at a later time, when people have let this go.

ok thanks

[micron]

has it actually occured to anyone to let the voting idea havea trial run, to se if any of the problems you are so sure will occur actually do, rather than assuming automatically that yours is the best way?

hi,
i really appreciate you voicing your opinions. however, you dont seem to realize that the rules and regulations you see here in cb are actually a product of much thought, experiment, and experience.

i used to run another messege board before cb. and contrary to your assumptions, i did in fact try out the voting idea there. though i do share your belief that the majority of the forum population are intelligent enough to make intelligent decisions, you seem to overlook a whole slew of potential problems that might arise, one of which, most members do not care enough to actually elect those that are most qualified. rather, they are more or less inclined to vote for members they associate most with, or they percieve as intelligent, popular, and/or active. though the qualities mentioned do play a role in people's ability to perform as staff members, they are not necessarily the most accurate. in fact, historically speaking, i would go as far as to say they were pretty bad indicators. from experience, and mind you, when i say that, i mean 6 years worth of experience, it wasnt the most intelligent or the most active people that, when given the opportunity to be staff members, performed best. rather, it was those that were less visible that proved to be most reliable and consistent. when i left the other forum, i let two of the smartest and most outspoken members to take my place as administrators. within a month, they drove the community to the ground.

i should also point out that im a business management major. i took classes regarding organizational behaivior and organizational structure. and believe you me, whatever things i do here, i give it a lot of thought before doing it. i dont go around making rules out of the blue. as mentioned before, theyre a product of much thought, experiment, and experience. im not saying a know everything - i dont, i learn new things everyday and im very open to new ideas - im just saying its not such a smart thing to assume certain things, one of them being my lack of judgement concerning how i run cb.

regarding your suggested method of voting, its not only cumbersome, but also technically not viable. there's no way to authenticate the votes, opening up a great deal of additional unforeseen problems.

its good to voice your opinions. but your suggestions would have a lot more weight if they were actually backed by thorough analysis and concrete solutions. throwing out an idea doesnt do much good really. also, instead of being so quick to make conclusions and offer your opinions, maybe it would be wiser to atleast attempt to understand the current system first, know its strengths and weaknesses, so that you may have a better position to defend your position when the time comes.

lastly, i find it interesting, if not amusing, that you bring this up after we announce the staff members. had you acted in good faith, and your concerns were trulyl genuine, i would be hard pressed to ask why you did not choose to bring it out before the new staff member selection.

thats all. have a good day.

DON'T BLACKLIST PEOPLE, THEY CAN CHANGE

hi,
we dont blacklist people, im sorry this happened. because we currently dont have a methodical approach of reviewing skins, there may be discrepencies regarding which skins are accepted and rejected. if you strongly feel the skin is comparable to the other skins generally accepted in our database, please resubmit the skin.

[racoons > you]

its good to voice your opinions. but your suggestions would have a lot more weight if they were actually backed by thorough analysis and concrete solutions. throwing out an idea doesnt do much good really. also, instead of being so quick to make conclusions and offer your opinions, maybe it would be wiser to atleast attempt to understand the current system first, know its strengths and weaknesses, so that you may have a better position to defend your position when the time comes.

actually, i know exactly what the current system is, and while i still think that you should give the voting system a try with the current members, it's plainly not going to happen, so whatever.

if you aren't willing to allow the members to vote, then why not at least allow a straight forward vote amongst the existing staff. they certainly know what it takes to be a mod, and have already been judged responsible enough to be unlikely to vote on popularity. and, as you have said, due to college and whatnot, you aren't always around on cb, and the mods are, so i think their opinions should be taken in the most direct way possible.

shortlist the applications yourself, with the help of kim, roxy, and christina, and then pot the ten best or whatever, and allow the mods to select five or however many posts you want to fill. *three cheers for subsidiarity*

lastly, i find it interesting, if not amusing, that you bring this up after we announce the staff members. had you acted in good faith, and your concerns were trulyl genuine, i would be hard pressed to ask why you did not choose to bring it out before the new staff member selection.

i did raise these concerns before the staff members were announced, thanks *could say something about assumptions and jumping to conclusions, but won't go further than this*

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...0&#entry1253879

and yes, i know its the concerns you've already addressed, and its not very good, as i wrote it in a hurry, but it was posted before the new staff were announced, so it serves at least to show that im not just being bitter and twisted

[wayne]

id rather support the free basick and jambajuice from clique band camp revolution

but you typed alot .. i thinks its frivolous but whatever .. do you... if this works then we can start the basick for entertainment_MOD campaign

im with basick....



besides.. I AM the cB revolution...

[sadolakced acid]

i'd suggest moving this to the feedback forum, as it's mainly about suggestions.

[racoons > you]

id suggest closing it and creating seperate threads in the feedback forum, as this is too jumbled now, but yeah. either way, it should be moved

[*Solipsist*]

Penis.



You'll laugh and be extremely embarrased when you remember about this after you've grown up.

- Solipsist

[*Fallen_Fairy*]

I don't know what to tell you. Cb has changed so much since I first started here. It could work but everybody would have to give it their all.

[*xcaitlinx*]

well, mods control cb. that's why they're mods. no, members don't have much say in what happens to cb. that's why they're members, and not mods. the best people that we think have the best ideas and can help most with cb are chosen as mods. (most of the time ) deal with it. make yourself mod material, and maybe you'll have a say.

i'm so sick of people.

That's like saying, since we're merely citizens of the country and the president is, well, the president, we have to follow what he says and not have an opinion or concern with anything that he decides...

lol.. you mean bias, not basis. ;)

well, firstly, i feel that only members with 1000 posts (or some similar restriction or limit) should have the vote, secondly, if a member wants to apply for staff, how 'little known' can they be? i think getting to know people on cb is a major part of being a mod, thus helping to strengthen the bonds of the community

secondly, as far as actual voting goes, set up a thread, each person gets to select one or two people who they feel deserve to be modded, and the people who recieve the most votes, get the position. or , alternately, to ensure the balot is secret, votes could be pmed to the mods themselves, so as to tally votes.

each mod would keep a list of those people who voteed through them, so as to protect against people trying to vote twice.

as for the 'its a job' argument... well, isnt the presidency or and political position a job too? like it or not, the mods are the closest thing cb has to a government, and as such teh members of cb, [I]which are who the hiring of mods effect [I] deserve a say in who is chosen

wow... i seem to be having this same argument (or a similar one) in two seperate threads... does someone want to pick one?

i think that having a vote be the deciding factor in who becomes a mod is completely absurd. Like everyone else said, there will be a majority of people (i won't name them...) that will vote based merely on who they like and who is the most popular on cB. (Probably the main reason why you support the whole 'voting' idea) There will also be some people that cheat, as in creating new usernames repeatedly and/or switching computers so that they can vote more than once. A vote will be confusing, unfair, and not successful.

[Rachel]

Okay, the whole idea about members voting for mods.

IT COULD WORK. I'm not saying that the mods be chosen soley by the members, but if we saw who the members truly thought were qualified, then the admins/jusun could have an idea on who the community would like to see.

Agreeing with James that there should be some sort of restriction, 1000 posts & official member?, the members would then read all of the applications and the staff should close it after a certain time. Then a new thread could be made and people had to name their top three or something.

I don't really think that the mods should be chosen directly from the members voting, but at least now the admins would have an idea/suggestions of who the community wants to be taking care of cB

[EmmalieV]

Okay, the whole idea about members voting for mods.


I don't really think that the mods should be chosen directly from the members voting, but at least now the admins would have an idea/suggestions of who the community wants to be taking care of cB

I agree with you on that Rachel. Ok , maybe members could vote but their decision wont be final , the members have their choice of who they want , but its NOT up to them , the head staff or whoever picks the new mods are the ones that make their final decision.

I know for a FACT that in the end if the members do pick the new mods , it will be a popularity contest , and at the end people will be arguing that this and this person got chosen just because their popular and back to the drawing board.

[*paul murphy*]

I am against it, hense the Sig

[*Weird addiction*]

I don't really think that the mods should be chosen directly from the members voting, but at least now the admins would have an idea/suggestions of who the community wants to be taking care of cB

Exactly.

Members can give their opinion BUT the administrators have the final say... cB revolution/bla bla...

I am against it, hense the Sig

*hence

[Heathasm]

we could always start an "unofficial" voting thread for this mod business in the lounge with permission or not :P. im sure itd have some sort of impact on which people are considered or not

[DaTru KataLYST]

^ kinds like an electoral vote, right? =P Citizens vote, but it's really the electoral college that chooses who to vote for.

[Heathasm]

hahah yeah xD.

[EmmalieV]

thats a good idea , but they deleted the applications so you wouldnt know who would wanted to be a mod , and who didnt.

[Rachel]

^Well I was referring to FUTURE modding process or something. Obviously it is too late now, but I was thinking that after a week or so, a mod could close the applications thread. Then the members could read them all, vote and GIVE REASONS.

[EmmalieV]

Ok , I thought you wanted to see who would have gotten picked before if we had used the"members vote" process.

[jue]

how cool