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[J.K]

mm well christmas was orginally a pagan holiday...the birthdate of the sun god mithras. jesus' real birthday was during the springtime. and easter symbols such as eggs and bunnies were all part of pagan religions. but yea, in the context of the spiritual and celebratory part, i dont feel its right for non-christians to "celebrate". heck, they can give each other as many gifts as they want for no reason just as long as they dont claim to be doing in "the christmas spirit" or the "easter holiday"

[Spirited Away]

Holidays may have become commercial, but that doesn't mean they're any less special. I mean, aren't the delighted faces of children all around the world opening up presents on Christmas just as special, loving and joyous as the birth of Jeus Christ? Are you saying that just because people don't believe in God, they shouldn't have that great experience? Maybe the "true" meaning of Christmas is being slowly erased, but that's all part of time. When you were a little kid, did you even think of Halloween as an ancient pagan celebration? No, I didn't think so. People have to just go with the flow..

And that's all I have to say..

-Sarah

And it's very well said.

[sadolakced acid]

alright. i won't celebrate christmas. i won't celebrate easter.

on december 25th, i will celebrate pine tree day by spending the day with my family and old st. nick., who has nothing to do with christ (the commercialized verson.

on easter i will celebrate egg day and look for hidden eggs.

and you will not celebrate halloween, valentine's day, christmas, or easter because they are fundementally pagan.

[Spirited Away]

alright. i won't celebrate christmas. i won't celebrate easter.

on december 25th, i will celebrate pine tree day by spending the day with my family and old st. nick., who has nothing to do with christ (the commercialized verson.

on easter i will celebrate egg day and look for hidden eggs.

and you will not celebrate halloween, valentine's day, christmas, or easter because they are fundementally pagan.

Geez, now I have to celebrate 'pine tree day' just because some Christians think I'm undeserving to celebrate their holidays... This is so discriminating, it's not even funny anymore.

[sadolakced acid]

haha. but they can't celebrate christmas at all.

and they can't celebrate valentine's day, halloween, and easter.


the thing is, christmas and easter aren't christian holidays, originally. the christians stole them from the pagans.

[Spirited Away]

haha. but they can't celebrate christmas at all.

and they can't celebrate valentine's day, halloween, and easter.


the thing is, christmas and easter aren't christian holidays, originally. the christians stole them from the pagans.

And yet it's okay for them to say heathens are undeserving of celebrating such holidays... Oh, I never knew Christmas and the likes were pagan holidays... I only look forward to Christmas for presents and I used to believe in Santa.

Does anyone know the real history of these holidays? Please enlighten us all on their histories so that each of us, as a human who seek happiness and freedom, can enjoy the holiday seasons together.

I'm serious! This is very discriminating...

[bibliomania]

Christmas is now more like... national holiday now... really, if it was a religious holiday, we shouldn't get a day off, right? Even though it's meant to be religious one, it's kinda cultural.

I'm an atheist, and I don't celebrate Christmas. I used to when I was actually a Christian, and really believed in salvation and all that stuff.

It's not fair that non-Christian people forget and never seize to recognize the actual meaning of Christmas; but you can't stop those people from not celebrating Christmas.

[jo3]

Geez, now I have to celebrate 'pine tree day' just because some Christians think I'm undeserving to celebrate their holidays...

hahaha...uninspiredfae i LOVE ur humor

This is so discriminating, it's not even funny anymore.

don't listen to them. who care's what other ppl think? especially if they're ppl you've never seen before



who cares if other people celebrate it the "wrong" way? i'm Christian, and i celebrate it because it's a day that was set to commemorate Jesus's birth. We still give each other presents, but that's all just the traditional/cultural part of it. i go to church on xmas eve (to celebrate his birth), but besides that, the rest of my xmas holiday is mostly traditional

for those who say that its not fair that non-Christians get to celebrate Christmas...keep crying and keep whining. if you're really that serious about it. don't put up Christmas lights, don't give/receive any gifts....don't do anything except celebrate his birth by praying/worshipping (which is perfectly fine w/ me...but i'm not one of the people who says its unfair)

the only way i'd be pissed about the Christmas issue is if they got rid of the holiday all together (kinda like how they're trying to get rid of "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance). if people wanna celebrate it, let them celebrate it. but if they don't want to, then they don't have to.

i think the reason christmas and easter are festive and include presents, trees, eggs, santa, and the bunny is because parents wanted their kids to enjoy christmas/easter, so when they grew up, they could hopefully gain an understanding for what those 2 days really meant. but now, some just celebrate it because its fun, and i have no problem with that (as long as they don't make fun of the religious aspect of it)

[sadolakced acid]

i know some people who's parents stopped with the christmas (that we know, gifts and a tree and all) and just prayed.

they hate it.

[MrElsewhere]

im buddhists..we celebrate all holidays of ne religion..we're taught to respect all other religions.

so i'd give mai kid a choice of religions he would wanna celebrate..it doesnt have to be Christmas..

so yea i can have it both ways..do u, being a christian, not respect mai religion?

[[i]LLMATiC]

Good for you! I'm glad you realize that this is unfair. People at school ridicule religion yet they look forward to getting Christmas presents.

i knoe exactly wut u mean.. theres no point in sayin no i hate religion but then agen turn around and celebrate a RELIGIOUS holiday i dont get it.. but ya knoe let them do that and see wut happens after they die

[Spirited Away]

LLMATiC,Aug 5 2004, 1:37 PM] i knoe exactly wut u mean.. theres no point in sayin no i hate religion but then agen turn around and celebrate a RELIGIOUS holiday i dont get it.. but ya knoe let them do that and see wut happens after they die

Hehe, sorry to be rude but please... SHUT THE HECK UP.

My Christian friends don't even say that to me because they know that GOOD Christians do not judge others because only God can do that! It's the MOST basic, BASIC, basic rule in Christianity.

[sadolakced acid]

which makes most the world not good christains.

there is no such thing as a good christian. if you're human, and were born, then you aren't good. simple as that. right?

i maintian, the whole idea of HEAVEN and HELL IS and ADVERTISMENT!!!!! LOOOK AT IT WITHOUT BLIND FAITH AND YOU WILL SEEEEEE.

if you don't belive in me, you'll burn in eternity. if you do belive in me, you'll be in paradise.

ADVERTISMENT!!!!

ahh, the rantings of a madman.

[MrElsewhere]

which makes most the world not good christains.

there is no such thing as a good christian. if you're human, and were born, then you aren't good. simple as that. right?

i maintian, the whole idea of HEAVEN and HELL IS and ADVERTISMENT!!!!! LOOOK AT IT WITHOUT BLIND FAITH AND YOU WILL SEEEEEE.

if you don't belive in me, you'll burn in eternity. if you do belive in me, you'll be in paradise.

ADVERTISMENT!!!!

ahh, the rantings of a madman.

u make a good point..

enlightenment is da way fo me..buddhism rocks! :]

even in certain sects of buddhism there is a heaven and hell..its juss advertisement..as u so eloquently put it..

[SH0RTAYE]

... christmas ... so youre saying ... only CHRiSTiANS can celebrate christmas ? well .. what about muh presents ?

[sadolakced acid]

no, we've proven that christians that think only they can celebrate christmas and easter, exc are just stupid. in fact, they shouldn't 'celebrate' them anyways.

[Ze world is a Ma...]

waht if jesus isnt real and never was heard? and somehow someone made up the national day called christmas but didnt know what christ mean jsut another word and its a day to give presents and be happy huh? would it matter to you if you were the only one on this universe to know that there is a god im pretty sure u dont get what i mean

[Spirited Away]

no, we've proven that christians that think only they can celebrate christmas and easter, exc are just stupid.  in fact, they shouldn't 'celebrate' them anyways.

A pretty damn good Christian confirmed that the Winter Holidays were, indeed, the Pagan's tradition. In fact, he said that Christ was born sometime in September and not in December at all. Christians decided to celebrate "Christmas" during the Winter Holidays because they wanted Pagans to forget their traditions and celebrate Christians traditions instead... Or something like that.

Interesting... no? So, who wants to challenge my source? He wants to be a frickin Minister, so I think he has a pretty firm grasp of his faith. I haven't researched anything to confirm his words, but I trust him enough for now.

[sadolakced acid]

yea, i know the christians stole a lot of pagan holidays, to convince pagans to convert.

and that's why the christians shouldn't celebrate them. they aren't truely christian holidays.

[Spirited Away]

yea, i know the christians stole a lot of pagan holidays, to convince pagans to convert. 

and that's why the christians shouldn't celebrate them.  they aren't truely christian holidays.

So Hah! We shouldn't even have this topic... this title should be changed to: "How Christians STOLE Christmas".

I don't mean to offend Christians out there, but saying that non-Christians shouldn't celebrate the Winter Holidays because we don't have a right is... ridiculous, because this holiday simply doesn't belong to Christians.

[sadolakced acid]

well, seeing as how it's nearing holidays, let's ressurect this topic.

there are two christmasses in america, the christan one and the american one.

in the christian one you attend mass.

in the american one, you give gifts, recieve, set up christmas trees, etc.


furthermore, both holidays are stolen from the roman "saturnalia" festival.

so if fact it should be all non romans should not celebrate christmas.

[gelionie]

I guess it doesn't really matter if non-Christians celebrate Christmas and Easter, does it? Well but sadly, X'mas and Easter has turned materialistic. =(

[ComradeRed]

http://www.chestnutcafe.com/cafe/X-Mas.html

Merry Christmas, boys and girls!
THIS is the story of Christmas and how it all began!
A long, long time ago, Germanic, Roman, and Celtic people celebrated the Winter Solstice. Once a year, they dressed their homes up with Holly, mistletoe, yule logs, and wassail bowls and even decorated a tree! Today, we call these people Pagans. The word "Yule-tide", meaning "wheel time" (the cycles of time) is a term that refers to these old Pagan celebrations.

During the 3rd and 4th centuries B.C.E., the Persian Mithras would sacrifice a bull on December 25 to celebrate the Sol Invictus (the Invincible Sun). The ceremony signaled the birth of a young Sun God who sprang from a rock or a cave in the form of a newborn infant.

The ancient Romans celebrated the festival of the Saturnalia from December 17th to the 24th to honor Saturn, the god of grain and agriculture. The festival consisted of a period of goodwill, devoted to visiting friends and the giving of gifts. Then, on December 25th, the Romans would celebrate the Winter Solstice in a ceremony of the annual renewing of the Sun.

On December 25th 354 C.E., Pope Liberus introduced the Nativity - a celebration of the birth of the Christ Child. He chose December 25th in order to Christianize the Pagan rituals of the time. Thus, Pope Liberus began the custom of celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ, and this celebration grew in popularity as the Pagan rituals of Mithra and Saturnalia that were formerly celebrated on the 25th of December slowly faded in popularity.

Today, we celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ with ornaments on trees, with mistletoe, and with the giving of gifts. And THAT, boys and girls, is the story of how the Christians stole the perfectly good Pagan holiday of the Winter Solstice, stuck it up the *** of a 300 year old dead guy named Jesus who probably wasn't even born on the 25th, and called it Christmas. Merry Christmas! The End.

[Edited by me to get rid of some expletives]

[stryker76]

i feel like this about Christmas. Yeah Christians celebrate it as the day in which Jesus was born on to this planet. And Easter is the day in which Jesus was born again. But i feel that for christmas there is more things to celebrate. Giving, Being with your family and loved ones, and showing you over all love for those close to you. Easter on the other hand can really be taken for face value and that is the religous side. So i dont celebrate it with the rest of my family....i usually spend the day in my room...but i do go and meet with my family for dinner. As for Christmas being a Christian thing.....did you kno the Santa Claus is an Islamic belief. He started in Turkey as father Winter. Yet we throw him into our christmas and call it a christian holiday...i find that interesting

[xtrashx]

wow... harsh... do you celebrate halloween? because thats not christian holiday thats the pagan new year.... people celebrate christmas because it was probly originally part of their religion since the christians and catholics stole it like they stole most of their other holiedays, (including easter, originally Estraa)... i will openly admit that i dont belive in religion, i belive religion weakens you, and i always reject and badmouth jesus because to me if i dont belive in him thats like me saying somthin bad about the sky... my point... people should get offended...
well i hope you understand this, have a nutty, bloody dead-mas.