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Homosexuals, Variation or Disorder?
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post Jan 20 2005, 07:35 PM
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QUOTE(qoddesscheeks @ Jan 19 2005, 1:45 PM)
i think it`s a mental disorder, because there r cases of people who were hurt severely by the opposite sex turning into homosexuals.
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Haha. Okay, I never have been in a relationship with a girl or a guy. And can you explain why I am bisexual and not straight or gay?

People can pretend to be straight and then reveal the truth.
 
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post Jan 21 2005, 03:19 PM
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I hate homophobia.

being gay is not a choice.

if there is such a thing as the 'super male' gene, or haviung two y chromosomes, then why is it so implausible that homosexuality should be carried on a gene?

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post Jan 21 2005, 05:16 PM
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i think it is a variation. i also think that you are born gay! some people think that you TURN gay but that doesn't make since because you would have to TURN straight too. so therefore, when you are born, if you don't TURN straight nor gay, what are you?
 
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post Jan 21 2005, 10:24 PM
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gays are humans too peoples!
what if men and women weren't allowed to get married.. -.-
 
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post Jan 21 2005, 10:48 PM
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QUOTE(sammehmyst @ Jan 21 2005, 10:24 PM)
what if men and women weren't allowed to get married.. -.-
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We all can just live in sin? *Shrugs*.

The human race does not need marriage to survive.

As for variation or not, I do not know. I'll wait until there is no longer a controversy over its nature to find out.
 
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post Jan 21 2005, 11:11 PM
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but i dont understand how can you be gay when your a baby you cant think gay thoughts then ...then how would you be born gay?.. i think the way the kid grows up and the enviroment the kid lives in and how the kid is raised...
 
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post Jan 22 2005, 06:23 AM
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We all can just live in sin? *Shrugs*.


what if you dont consider homosexuality a sin?

love is more important than gender

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but i dont understand how can you be gay when your a baby you cant think gay thoughts then ...then how would you be born gay?


well then the flip side of that argument is that a baby cant think straight thoughts either. Unless you think they can, in which case why cant they thing gay thoughts?
 
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post Jan 22 2005, 09:07 AM
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QUOTE(ixyuriish @ Jan 21 2005, 10:11 PM)
but i dont understand how can you be gay when your a baby you cant think gay thoughts then ...then how would you be born gay?.. i think  the way the kid grows up and the enviroment the kid lives in and how the kid is raised...
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i think what happens is that the kid is gay, they just haven't realized it or had enough information to even know what gay is. sometimes you can tell at a young age if you really look. when my friend steve (who is gay now, and he shows it) was a kid, he had more friends who were girls and he would rather do "girly" things. he loved the color pink and was for some reason obsessed with his clothes even when he was 5. no one ever thought anything of it, but sure enough, when he hit puberty he kinda realized he liked the thought of kissing a guy more. you can be born with it, it just takes a while to actually realize.

that's my thought, but whatever.
 
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post Jan 22 2005, 09:29 AM
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well then the flip side of that argument is that a baby cant think straight thoughts either. Unless you think they can, in which case why cant they thing gay thoughts?


a baby is vulnerable... the babys brain is like a sponge..its sucks up anything...they dont start thinking that theyre gay...unless someone teaches them to like girls/boys. its the enviroment and where you are raised and who you hang out with.

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i think what happens is that the kid is gay, they just haven't realized it or had enough information to even know what gay is. sometimes you can tell at a young age if you really look. when my friend steve (who is gay now, and he shows it) was a kid, he had more friends who were girls and he would rather do "girly" things. he loved the color pink and was for some reason obsessed with his clothes even when he was 5. no one ever thought anything of it, but sure enough, when he hit puberty he kinda realized he liked the thought of kissing a guy more. you can be born with it, it just takes a while to actually realize.

that's my thought, but whatever.



i dont think its like a choice but thats sort of what i mean ... but your not born gay you just turn gay like the way your raised and the people you hang out with and the enviroment you live in ... like you said they don't realize until they mature a bit that doesnt mean they're born gay.
 
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post Jan 22 2005, 09:57 AM
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what if you live in a strict christian community and hang out with homophobic people, but still turn out gay? it's happened, i know someone it happened to.
 
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post Jan 22 2005, 10:04 AM
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a baby is vulnerable... the babys brain is like a sponge..its sucks up anything...they dont start thinking that theyre gay...unless someone teaches them to like girls/boys. its the enviroment and where you are raised and who you hang out with.


Well then surely a baby can't be straight unless someone teaches them to love the opposite gender?

in which case heterosexuality is no more a natural state than homosexuality. Which means that th idea of gay people as sub-normal is a load of bollocks. if it weren't already

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post Jan 22 2005, 10:10 AM
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good points made, MarchHare2UrAlice. and yea it's me. blush.gif
 
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post Jan 22 2005, 10:13 AM
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QUOTE(Alternativemado @ Jan 10 2005, 4:56 PM)
WELL thats just nonsense homosexuality isnt in people's GENES! and if it is when i guess i my biology teacher miss the part of tlaking about the gay gene. I belive that people chose to be homosexual. I find it funny when people say that they were born homosexual because that just nonsense you're either born a boy or a girl (there are exceptions) and later on you chose to be homosexual
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it has to do with hormonal balance, duh. not your gender
 
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post Jan 22 2005, 10:13 AM
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thanks, touch

ur very hot, btw. just observing, not a perv.
 
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QUOTE(im2tall @ Jan 13 2005, 8:40 PM)
But I think you're trying to compare nature vs. nurture, and IMHO I believe it's more nurture.  Sexual identity is not the same as gender, which is a convenient classification developed by people.  Sexual identity is developed over time based on past experiences and I don't think "homosexuals" are any different than "heterosexuals."
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post Jan 23 2005, 08:07 AM
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i think that it's just a variation, but definately NOT a mental disorder. and i dont think that i can be "chosen" i mean looking at all the homophobia in the world, who would choose to be homosexual? they're just people, they deserve to be treated the same way as we do to anyone else.
 
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post Jan 23 2005, 10:54 AM
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who would choose to be homosexual?


exactly, i mean, i'm not exactly 3eager to make my self part of the most judged, and generaly disliked and feared group ofpeople in the world
 
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QUOTE(touch my monkey @ Jan 22 2005, 10:10 AM)
good points made, MarchHare2UrAlice. and yea it's me. blush.gif
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oh look, a couple of my favorite members bonding nicely

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although for the most part, people cant help being homosexual, i do think its wrong for people tp say theyre bi for attentoin
 
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post Jan 23 2005, 11:12 AM
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i do think its wrong for people tp say theyre bi for attentoin

what abt saying they're bi b/c they are
 
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i obviously wasnt talking about people who really are.
 
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post Jan 23 2005, 12:05 PM
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some people just do it for attention, or experiment in college or something, but eventually they'll go to where they're supposed to be.
 
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post Jan 23 2005, 12:55 PM
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you want to know why it's not nurture?

there was a boy, recently born, that had a circumcision go bad. the doctors had to amputate.

scientists thought that this might be a good thing to use to expirement. so they gave him a sex change operation, and told his parents to raise him as a girl. John was now Joan.

(this is a real expirement by the way)

anyways; when 'joan' was a teenager 'she' was given estrogen and stuff. She thouroughly belived she was a girl. Society told her she should like boys. that's what she was being taught.

and so, the scientists said it's all nurture. 'joan' was a normal teenage 'girl', or so it seemed.

however: what the scientists didn't do was a follow up. years later 'joan's' mother told 'him' what happened.

It was like a revalation. he (john/joan) realized why he'd liked girls and wanted to pee standing up. etc. etc.

so he had his sex changed back and got married.


And so; if it is nurture that decides this; why was not joan a normal 'girl'?
 
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post Jan 23 2005, 01:43 PM
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saying its a mental disorder is... mean.

plus i think its between genes and influence of other peoples.
 
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post Jan 23 2005, 02:32 PM
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AHHHH.
perhaps in some cases it's others' influence.
but like i've said before - even if you grow up around a bunch of homophobes and being gay wouldn't be accepted at all, you can still end up being gay.

it's not influence, or nurture. that's been proven. stop saying it.
 
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post Jan 23 2005, 02:35 PM
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I think its in the genes...like something youre born with that can`t be helped
 
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